y***a 发帖数: 840 | 1 1.long term Capital Gain (LTCG) 跟carried-forward short term capital loss (S
TCL)可以互相抵消把
2. 我记得看到过有人提过LTCG的税率比较低,是15%?这个是联邦加州税一共15%吗?是
不是LTCG跟其他收入分开算的?
3. 假如LTCG只交15%的税,是不是把它的15%交了,它就不再算入taxable收入了?否则
算进去,收入增加,税率增加,岂不是要交额外的税?
4. 假设我有从去年转过来10K刀的STCL,手头上还有一些股票,准备今年卖掉,可以有
20K刀的LTCG,我能不能不用这个STCL去抵消那个LTCG,而是用STCL去降低TAXABLE INC
OME
我的考虑是,我的那3000块STCL留给TAXABLE 收入,税率大概33%。
但是如果只是去抵消LTCG的话,只有15%的好处
可能我的概念不清楚,所以问题比较蠢,请指教 |
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y***a 发帖数: 840 | 2 【 以下文字转载自 TAX 讨论区 】
发信人: yeeha (带茎番茄), 信区: TAX
标 题: 问几个关于capital gain/loss的问题
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 27 14:44:50 2011, 美东)
1.long term Capital Gain (LTCG) 跟carried-forward short term capital loss (S
TCL)可以互相抵消把
2. 我记得看到过有人提过LTCG的税率比较低,是15%?这个是联邦加州税一共15%吗?是
不是LTCG跟其他收入分开算的?
3. 假如LTCG只交15%的税,是不是把它的15%交了,它就不再算入taxable收入了?否则
算进去,收入增加,税率增加,岂不是要交额外的税?
4. 假设我有从去年转过来10K刀的STCL,手头上还有一些股票,准备今年卖掉,可以有
20K刀的LTCG,我能不能不用这个STCL去抵消那个LTCG,而是用STCL去降低TAXABLE INC
OME
我的考虑是,我的那3000块STCL留给TAXABLE 收入,税率大概33%。
但是如果只是去抵... 阅读全帖 |
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j********l 发帖数: 551 | 3 http://fairmark.com/amt/ltcg.htm
这就是为什么我敢说你没缴过AMT。LTCG是不计入AMT的计算的。这就是为什么Romney的
税率远低于AMT的税率。但是,LTCG对总税率有影响,因为它会减少AMT exemption。这
对于我这样同时有较多regular income和较多投资收入的人来说,AMT的影响很大。因
为我的LTCG税率从15%变成了22%
注意到这个新闻只说"because of AMT"而没说缴了多少AMT。Romney的绝大部分收入是
LTCG,所以上面提到的AMT exemption reduction对他影响很小。同样是LTCG,他的税
率是15%,我的税率是22%。他是富人,我是中产。税法在这点上不公平。
但是这和你穷人没啥关系。你在这里鸡歪个啥? |
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w**k 发帖数: 6722 | 4 Short Term Capital Gain (STCG) vs Long Term Capital Gain (LTCG)
STCGs are taxed at normal income tax rates. In contrast, LTCGs, are taxed at
the same rates as qualified dividend income.
That is
any long term capital gains that fall in the highest (39.6%) tax bracket
will be taxed at a rate of just 20%;
any LTCGs that fall in the 25-35% tax brackets will be taxed at a rate of
just 15%; and
any LTCGs that fall in the 10% or 15% tax brackets will not be taxed at all.
所以在获利或者止损出场的时候,稍微注意一下税上面的影响 |
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l**t 发帖数: 6971 | 5
不懂别瞎扯。先不说他偷税漏税的问题,Romney税率低,是因为他的收入是long term
capital gain。LTCG在AMT税率和regular tax是一样的。也就是说,AMT专抓高收入中
产,不抓Romney这样的富人。
然后重点来了啊,Romney的LTCG还是假的!Bain Capital及其花街同伙让国会通过法律
,把他们的管理费,其实明明是工资的,算成LTCG,叫做carried interest。
再然后,还有啊,还有的管理费连carried interest都不算的,怎么说都要按工资交税
的,他们就硬是耍赖不交。现在纽约州正在调查呢。 |
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t****u 发帖数: 8614 | 6 1)把收入大部分留在公司。
2)个人收入大部分以LTCG的形式。
这本身就是避税策略的结果。不光巴老,其他super-rich也是如此操作的。如果LTCG的
税率提高到和STCG的税率一样,那么他们的个人收入的结构也就会做出相应的调整。因
果不要弄错了。
bottom-line,如果巴老真的认为自己的税率低了,完全可以先以身作则弄个一年,就按
standard deduction报。LTCG再简单,还是要itemized,一笔一笔报的,以他老的
portforlio,这个数量不会小。 |
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z*****y 发帖数: 554 | 7 Minimizing the gap between ordinary and ltcg rate is the most efficient way
to close the "carried interest" tax loophole, which is recognized as one of
the biggest problems in current tax code by both Trump and Obama.
However, how to define and close the loophole is difficult. As people taking
advantage of the loophole did nothing wrong and closing the loophole by
targeting a certain kind of people is essentially left-most Communist's way,
biased, discriminatory, punishing hard working, and tota... 阅读全帖 |
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t*m 发帖数: 4414 | 8 Question:
“We'll the following income for 2013 (married file jointly): and $35K is
salary and $10K is qualified dividends; $5K is ordinary dividends; $60K is
capital gains ($20K is short term capital gain and $40K is long term). Say
the 10% tax bracket is at $17,850 and the 15% bracket is at $72,500, what is
the best way to estimate our taxes?”
I tried to answer this question as the following. Am I correct?
Salary + ST capital gain + Ordinary Div first. Then subtract our deductions
(itemized or ... 阅读全帖 |
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t***n 发帖数: 546 | 9 这个简化对结果影响太大了。
taxable account除了最后要交LTCG以外,每年divident被IRS拔毛也是一个大头。这个
compound起来不得了。
简单估算一下。
after tax 费用少0.15%。 但是假设2% annual divident,却要多付2%×0.15=0.3%的
税,一下子年增长率反而低了0.15%。再加上最后卖的时候还要交LTCG,基本上after
tax完败。 |
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t*m 发帖数: 4414 | 10 Question:
“We'll the following income for 2013 (married file jointly): and $35K is
salary and $10K is qualified dividends; $5K is ordinary dividends; $60K is
capital gains ($20K is short term capital gain and $40K is long term). Say
the 10% tax bracket is at $17,850 and the 15% bracket is at $72,500, what is
the best way to estimate our taxes?”
I tried to answer this question as the following. Am I correct?
Salary + ST capital gain + Ordinary Div first. Then subtract our deductions
(itemized or ... 阅读全帖 |
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t*m 发帖数: 4414 | 11 Question:
“We'll the following income for 2013 (married file jointly): and $35K is
salary and $10K is qualified dividends; $5K is ordinary dividends; $60K is
capital gains ($20K is short term capital gain and $40K is long term). Say
the 10% tax bracket is at $17,850 and the 15% bracket is at $72,500, what is
the best way to estimate our taxes?”
I tried to answer this question as the following. Am I correct?
Salary + ST capital gain + Ordinary Div first. Then subtract our deductions
(itemized or ... 阅读全帖 |
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a*****e 发帖数: 911 | 12 1) LTCL抵消LTCG, STCL抵消STCG
2)1 没有抵消完的, LTCL抵消STCG, 或者STCL抵消LTCG
3) 2 没有抵消完的, 每年抵消$3000其它收入
CG单算,不要重复算。 |
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y***a 发帖数: 840 | 13 多谢,还有个问题你没有回答。
假设我有LTCG和STCL,
我能不能不用STCL去抵消LTCG,而是用STCL去抵消TAXABLE收入(税率较高),然后LTC
G只交15%的税?
CG单算吗?那为什么1040里让我把CG填到低13项,那不是把CG也算到其他的TAXABLE收入
了吗?是怎么实现单算的
谢谢 |
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t*m 发帖数: 4414 | 14 Question:
“We'll the following income for 2013 (married file jointly): and $35K is
salary and $10K is qualified dividends; $5K is ordinary dividends; $60K is
capital gains ($20K is short term capital gain and $40K is long term). Say
the 10% tax bracket is at $17,850 and the 15% bracket is at $72,500, what is
the best way to estimate our taxes?”
I tried to answer this question as the following. Am I correct?
Salary + ST capital gain + Ordinary Div first. Then subtract our deductions
(itemized or ... 阅读全帖 |
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y****e 发帖数: 23939 | 17 不可能吧,累进税率。除非这富人是吃LTCG的,拿他的property tax也交得不少。 |
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j********l 发帖数: 551 | 18 满嘴胡说啊?您了缴过AMT吗?AMT税率一般是26%
LTCG是在AMT之外另算的。税率一直是15%
最烦这种无故事实,信口胡说的。 |
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 19 what the fuck, i have already said it,
ltcg is 15%, while he paid only 13%.
do you know why?
now go back google, or search my previous post. |
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s*******u 发帖数: 692 | 20 long term capital gain 只是对你拿到股票的价格 和 卖出的盈余部分的税收
比如 公司奖励你stock . 给你100股 100块钱, 那你就得先交10000刀的w2的税, 然
后你这100股放一年后, 升值到150, 那么50*100盈利部分, 按ltcg交税。
期权类似, 总之你拿到股票的时候的, 就得按照股票当时的价格交w2的税。
小扎这种, 是因为他创业初期, 拿到的fb股票价格很低, 尤其是创始人, 基本一
分钱一股。
但是这种创始人可是有风险的, 也只有一个小札。 大部分高管之类的, 是没办法
用股票避税徳
小扎也只有一次机会, 他现在拿一块钱年薪, 其余的领股票, 就得按现在的价格交
个税了 |
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n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 21 There are more legal tax loopholes than you can imagine. Only that they were
designed for super rich only.
: long term capital gain 只是对你拿到股票的价格 和 卖出的盈余部分的税收
: 比如 公司奖励你stock . 给你100股 100块钱, 那你就得先交10000刀的w2的税
, 然
: 后你这100股放一年后, 升值到150, 那么50*100盈利部分, 按ltcg交税。
: 期权类似, 总之你拿到股票的时候的, 就得按照股票当时的价格交w2的税。
: 小扎这种, 是因为他创业初期, 拿到的fb股票价格很低, 尤其是创始人,
基本一
: 分钱一股。
: 但是这种创始人可是有风险的, 也只有一个小札。 大部分高管之类的, 是
没办法
: 用股票避税徳
: 小扎也只有一次机会, 他现在拿一块钱年薪, 其余的领股票, 就得按现在的
价格交
: 个税了
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n***s 发帖数: 163 | 22 Qualified dividend / LT capital gain are still taxed at 15% under AMT.
However, AMT also has an exemption phaseout during which the real marginal
tax rate becomes 22%. See http://www.fairmark.com/amt/ltcg.htm
if
to |
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X****r 发帖数: 3557 | 23 LTCG tax rate under AMT is still 15%. That 22% figure only applies before
the AMT exemption is depleted, which is always the case for these wealth
people. |
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y****i 发帖数: 778 | 24 If you hit AMT, there's no difference between short term and long term
capital gain. Here's how you can hit AMT because of a long term capital gain.
http://www.fairmark.com/amt/ltcg.htm
tax |
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y****i 发帖数: 778 | 25 Yes, your long term capital gain may trigger AMT tax because of 15% tax rate
, especially you have dependents and high property tax and state income tax,
like in CA or NYC.
http://www.fairmark.com/amt/ltcg.htm
Your short term capital gain won't trigger AMT tax because it is the same as
your income tax bracket.
term
了。 |
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S**C 发帖数: 2964 | 26 Consider any distribution to be "new money", whether reinvest your dividend
and capital gain is a personal choice, nothing else. A decent brokerage
should be able to generate 1099-B that can be easily imported into Turbotax
or other tax software to create form 8949 for you. If they cannot in this
age, you may want to change your brokerage.
As a side note, if you are in AMT range, and if your MAGI is also above $
250K for married couple filing jointly, your LTCG and qualified dividend
likely subj... 阅读全帖 |
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t***n 发帖数: 546 | 27 还有一个问题。B每年的divident要交税的
比如return=5%CG+2%divident, 15% qualified divident tax
B的return=(1-0.07%+5%+2%×0.85)
最后B的钱还要交一次LTCG tax |
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t***n 发帖数: 546 | 28 按照你的假设算一遍,假设税前1块钱开始:
A: 1x(1+7%-0.22%)^30*0.79=5.65
B: 0.79x(1+7%-0.07%-2%×0.15)^30=5.42 (还没算LTCG)
5.42-(5.42-0.79)x0.15=4.73
B比A差远了
所以一般结论是401K里面的expense ratio除非非常高(这个例子中是0.85%),不然一
般还是放在401K比在taxable省钱。 |
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s**********d 发帖数: 36899 | 29 你错了。
先说pre-tax vs Roth,前者退休后交税,后者现在交税。如果税法和税率没有革命性
变动,可以假设跟现在相差不大。退休后的税率,主要由你那时每年从pre-tax退休账
号里取多少钱决定的。如果你现在pre-tax账号不大,每年又不存满,那么你到退休时
,账号能有你现在的年收入十五到二十倍吗(去掉通胀)?如果不能有,那么你现在存
Roth而不是pre tax就是浪费了。
再说after-tax 401k, 你现在不能转Roth,以后啥时能,或者永远不能(税法改变),
那么你的gain要按普通收入交税。比taxable账号长期持有按LTCG交税可能更亏。
我简单算了一下,假设8%年收益,20年转Roth时gain交税1/3,再过十年,最后在总额
约7.5倍本金。如果放在外面持有一个total market or sp 500不动,每年算损失0.2%
税,7.8%年收益三十年后交15%,最后总额约8.5倍本金。当然在外面可能会忍不住买卖
会多一些损失。
如果你工作流动性大,可能过几年就换那么转Roth可能性高还可以考虑。 |
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s**********d 发帖数: 8 | 30 求问版上大神!好像US上市holding的dividend/CG可以跟其它US股票一样有qualified
dividend和LTCG的较低税率。那non-us holding呢? |
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k***u 发帖数: 913 | 31 应该第二种是正确的,LTCG也是taxable income啊,不然很多PE的基金经理都不用交税
了。。 |
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l*******4 发帖数: 406 | 32 你抵消的是算在taxable income里。
举例你税率30%,LTCG 10000.不骚操作,得7000.骚操作亏光,今年少交3000税不是少
交10000. |
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t******t 发帖数: 772 | 33 1.LTCL offset LTCG first
2.STCL offset STCG
if any (1) offset remained STCG from (2). |
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y****i 发帖数: 778 | 34 If you hit AMT, long term capital gain is the same as short term capital
gain. Dependent on 26% or 28% AMT tax rate, your federal tax rate is 32.5%
or 35% because of 25% phase out of AMT exemption after 150k. Please see
following "AMT and Long-Term Capital Gain"
http://fairmark.com/amt/ltcg.htm
Change deluxe to premier won't help you. |
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d********n 发帖数: 264 | 35 yes. LTCG is also recognized in AMT. |
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g*******t 发帖数: 1039 | 36 from this web site
http://thefinancebuff.com/2009/03/2009-amt-tax-brackets.html
notice that 32.5% and 35% bracket?
Married Filing Jointly Single or Head of Household AMT Income QD
& LTCG*
$0 – $70,950 $0 – $46,700 0% 0%/15%
$70,951 – $150,000 $46,701 – $112,500 26% 15%
$150,001 – $226,760 $112,501 – $199,860 32.5% 21.5%
$226,761 – $433,800 $199,861 – $299,300 35% 22%
$433,801 or more $299,301 or more 28% 15% |
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l**t 发帖数: 6971 | 37
不懂就别瞎说。不是把几个词凑到一起就算你有知识了。
加州这种高州税的地方,state and local tax就把AMT exemption用完了。
如果考虑到LTCG和AMT exemption的关系,实际上它的marginal tax rate是26%或28%,那Obama的加税就更没影响了。 |
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l**t 发帖数: 6971 | 38
这个是我老搞错了。我还记着是四万多,刚查了一下早就变成六/七万了。
AMT exemption越是多,LTCG effective marginal rate相当于26%/28%的部分就越高,
Obama加税的影响就越小。 |
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l**t 发帖数: 6971 | 39
你老把Berkshire Hathaway的公司税和Buffett的个人税搞混淆了。
他的个人收入基本都是LTCG,用不着会计师,就是15%。
而且你老最近是不是id被盗啊?连个tt造的谣言都能把你老套上。 |
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l**t 发帖数: 6971 | 40
我倒。。。Buffett跟别的super rich不一样,他就是搞长期投资的,他自己的公司就是个搞长期投资的公司,你让他怎么办?
公司的税当然不能多交。公司又不是他一个人的,多交了别的股东还不得告他。
他自己每年交几百万美元的税(虽然税率低),那点儿deduction无论多少都是毛毛雨。
而且人家就是在号召把富人(million以上年收入)的LTCG rate提高,这是专门针对他自己的,跟硅工们没关系。大家为什么都骂他是装呢? |
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l**t 发帖数: 6971 | 41
把LTCG rate(而且只是百万收入以上的部分)提高到克林顿时期的水平,startup就会
受到灾难性打击?克林顿时期startup多,还是Bush时期多?
狗腿子心理要不得。 |
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l**t 发帖数: 6971 | 42 你这些个数字还真是张嘴就来啊。
为什么raise LTCG rate就会有30%的startup消失掉?从15% raise到20%消失多少?
raise到18%消失多少?raise到25%消失多少?还是不管raise多少都会消失30%?
你给举个例子,O8政府create了哪些regulation。这些regulation具体怎么hurt
startup了?
but
,
and |
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l**t 发帖数: 6971 | 43
LTCG and dividend tax: 15% -> 20% for AGI > 450k family/400k single |
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l*****k 发帖数: 1059 | 44 绝对不动用本金这个要求过于保守。只要到时候有足够钱
支付最后一年的医疗费就好了。实在没有还有Medicare.
另外,退休以后的各项开支也少了很多。如果收入8万而且
全是LTCG, 需要交的税也少了好多. 税后收入并不少。
当然了,还房贷或者给准备孩子交大学学费的都得单算。 |
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S**C 发帖数: 2964 | 45 LTCG 20% + 3.8% ObamaCare tax. |
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w***g 发帖数: 5958 | 46 编译:
/Zi /nologo /W3 /WX- /Ox /Ob2 /Oi /Ot /Oy- /GL /D "WIN32" /D "NDEBUG" /D "_W
INDOWS" /D "_UNICODE" /D "UNICODE" /Gm- /EHsc /MT /GS /Gy /fp:precise /Zc:wc
har_t /Zc:forScope /Fp"Release\nise.pch" /Fa"Release\" /Fo"Release\" /Fd"Rel
ease\vc100.pdb" /Gd /analyze- /errorReport:queue
链接:
/OUT:"D:\src\nise-v10\nise\Release\nise.exe" /INCREMENTAL:NO /NOLOGO "jpeg.l
ib" "libboost_program_options.lib" "PocoFoundationmt.lib" "PocoNetmt.lib" "P
ocoUtilmt.lib" "PocoXMLmt.lib" "kernel32.lib" "user32.lib"... 阅读全帖 |
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G*****7 发帖数: 1759 | 47 if you use a lot of template classes, a single file (compilation unit)
actually compiles faster, because the instantiation of duplicate templates
are curtailed. if you happen to have CGAL, notice they use this kind of "all
_compile.cpp" trick.
if you observe a slow down in release mode, that also makes sense: the
compile might be busy looking for opportunities to inline (a poor man's ltcg
essentially...). |
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