s****i
发帖数: 5469 | 1 Gun free zone变成Gun protected zone，目前可行有效而且很快能实施的，昨天有人
说的配点盾牌也不错。喊禁枪的洗洗睡去吧，连非法移民和边境都管不好，还指望改宪
法闯民宅挖地三尺禁枪？ |
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x*******a
发帖数: 11067 | 2 2009年德州军营杀人案如何？不是GUN FREE ZONE。军营里人手一枪。
在真正有效的抵抗以前，这个人轻松干掉12个，伤了31个。这个人还不过是个军医。
我知道你要说，幸亏不是GUN FREE ZONE，要不死的更多。嗯，12个不算多。
还有别说什么红脖子州没有这种事情的鬼话了。
上面的就是德州，另外8月份刚刚TEXAS A&M死了三个。 |
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S*****e
发帖数: 14 | 3 【 以下文字转载自 GunsAndGears 讨论区 】
发信人: Snowave (SO), 信区: GunsAndGears
标 题: Gun Control and the Connecticut Tragidy
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Dec 16 18:43:59 2012, 美东)
康州的悲剧再次引发控枪辩论。 问题集中于谁应对类似悲剧负责。
禁枪派提出废止让人拥有枪的法律会杜绝或大大减少类似事件。拥枪派提出禁枪会让坏
人有更多机会威胁好人的生命。两派都有相当强的论据支持。 但看似在中国人圈子里
禁枪派占多数。从我接触的有限的一些人群样本来看相当多中国人视枪如洪水猛兽。
这里不做太多辩论。只想给出几点事实以供思考。
世界上大多国家对个人拥有自动武器都是严格控制的， 包括美国。但对半自动武器及
手枪相当多国家是允许成年个人拥有的。拥有和美国最类似持枪法的国家是 。。。。
。。。瑞士。事实上瑞士人均拥枪数量超过美国。但瑞士几乎没有或非常少见涉枪犯罪
。如果你想说瑞士是个特例，类似的国家还有。。。丹麦，瑞典，挪威，芬兰，荷兰，
加拿大。。。这些都是犯罪率很低的国... 阅读全帖 |
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M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 4 门卫配枪就可以了
学校里面有枪也不管用，除非教师资格考试包括射击
应该规定学校医院饭店shoppingmall，theatre等等为gun-free zone.
当然也可以不是gun-free的theatre和mall，让顾客们有自由选择的权利 |
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l*********m
发帖数: 16971 | 6 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: mave (V~), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 应该全力发展smart gun科技
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 17 19:00:36 2012, 美东)
要知道在美国全面禁枪是做不到的。作为硅谷的科技工程师，我们应该去推动smart
gun技术的发展和强制推行。
具体的说，有两个技术是对枪支的管理和控制是有正面作用的。一是枪支的身份识别，
就象007 skyfall里面一样，通过指纹或什么别的检验identity，不是register的枪主
不能开枪。
二是location based的技术，每只枪都有GPS，只能在register的区域里操作，比如说
你的private property，或者你要去打猎的山区，超出这个区域就不能fire。这样那些
公共区域学校，电影院，Mall里的mass shooting都不会发生了。
政府在枪支销售上多收点税，用来办枪支的注册管理。然后强制推行每支销售的枪都必
须有smart technology。这些技术其实已经很成熟了，很容易做到。 |
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M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 7 always have two guards on any day and make sure they don't get dumped by
their girlfriends on the same day.
now you know why the police always has a partner to work as a team.
I think the gun owners can easily protect the schools by contributing some
time and sacrificing their lives for the kids. This is the essence of owning
a gun: to protect people! |
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d**********g
发帖数: 2014 | 8 自由派媒体，也就是民主党老黑政
府的打手也没说gun ban，只说gun control |
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l********k
发帖数: 14844 | 9 gun男平均水平，手枪一满匣子弹，弹夹无限但是要reload，在车站人多密集的场所，
面对10+个持刀歹徒从10-20米左右距离攻击过来，gun男能在自己被砍死之前射翻几个
歹徒？ |
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 10 人家是恐袭
你有gun管个P用。911的时候，没死gun男？ |
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 15 Is there an end to this horrible violence? We are alternatively shocked and
immune to these shootings. Our country needs an adult conversation about gun
safety, who gets a gun and what type. No more rhetoric from either side, no
more false scenarios and outcries to protect rights. We all have a right to
live safely without fear in this society. |
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g*****g
发帖数: 1067 | 16 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: ggggggg (星光小妹), 信区: USANews
标 题: 精神病和重罪犯可以轻松在gun show和私人手中买枪
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Feb 19 12:01:36 2018, 美东)
精神病和重罪犯可以轻松在gun show和私人手中买枪。
这是精神病和重罪犯的宪法权利。
第二修正案保证的。 |
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m**p
发帖数: 7 | 17 如果发生枪击，Gun男就可以出来救人救自己了。
去大蒜节要带枪，去音乐会要带枪，
逛商场要带枪，睡觉也把枪放枕头边。
Gun男辩护最傻的一点是因为自己住house，
没枪就没办法防止入室抢劫的。
天朝农村更多，怎么不见农村里大规模枪击的？
200多年前建国时的立法，早过时了。
但鉴于民间拥枪的数量和NRA在政界的强大势力，
美帝禁枪遥遥无期，隔三差五的枪击案是新常态了。
索男要淡定。 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 18 http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/75359
Thursday, September 16, 2010
By Matt Cover
FBI统计，2009年美国暴力犯罪下降5.3%，最可能有枪支介入的暴力犯罪凶杀下降了7.3
%，尽管同一时期枪支销售达到创纪录水平
(CNSNews.com) - Violent crime continued to fall in 2009, even as gun sales
reached an all-time high, according to statistics from the Federal Bureau of
Investigation (FBI). This is “proof positive that gun prohibitionists have
been consistently and undeniably wrong,” the Citizens Committee for the
Right to Keep and Bear Arms said in a statement.
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k****z
发帖数: 1863 | 19 simple
two big plus for them:
1. black and latino will have more money from obama to buy guns
2. other people are more worried and consider to buy guns |
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a**e
发帖数: 8800 | 21 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: aple (凸-_-凸), 信区: Military
标 题: 这个报道的枪击案过程直接证明了gun free zone是这次惨案的一大原因
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Dec 16 19:58:35 2012, 美东)
1。门口安全完全是虚设
“一个身着黑色军服和防弹背心的年轻男子全副武装地从正门走进康涅狄格州的桑迪胡
克小学。”
如果这是真的，那么只能是枪手强行进入而门口的老师没有任何力量阻止。
很显然，如果有武器的门卫能阻止甚至只要延缓杀手的进入，后面的事情会有很不同的
结果。
2。警察在严重校园暴力事件里，唯一的作用是在枪手子弹打完后来洗地板
“十分钟后，约9点50分，警察到达，进入各间教室搜寻枪手，帮助学校学生离开。据
悉，嫌疑人只在两个教室停留，射杀师生26人。警察在现场发现了枪击嫌疑人的尸体，
目前尚不清楚他是自杀还是被击毙。”
五分钟足够任何杀人犯完成它的疯狂，无论是持枪还是持刀
3。拥有武器的学校的职员是唯一的有机会阻止/减低伤害的人
“ 校长、副校长和心理医生听到枪声后都迅速出门查看情况，但只... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 22 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: aple (凸-_-凸), 信区: Military
标 题: 这个报道的枪击案过程直接证明了gun free zone是这次惨案的一大原因
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Dec 16 19:58:35 2012, 美东)
1。门口安全完全是虚设
“一个身着黑色军服和防弹背心的年轻男子全副武装地从正门走进康涅狄格州的桑迪胡
克小学。”
如果这是真的，那么只能是枪手强行进入而门口的老师没有任何力量阻止。
很显然，如果有武器的门卫能阻止甚至只要延缓杀手的进入，后面的事情会有很不同的
结果。
2。警察在严重校园暴力事件里，唯一的作用是在枪手子弹打完后来洗地板
“十分钟后，约9点50分，警察到达，进入各间教室搜寻枪手，帮助学校学生离开。据
悉，嫌疑人只在两个教室停留，射杀师生26人。警察在现场发现了枪击嫌疑人的尸体，
目前尚不清楚他是自杀还是被击毙。”
五分钟足够任何杀人犯完成它的疯狂，无论是持枪还是持刀
3。拥有武器的学校的职员是唯一的有机会阻止/减低伤害的人
“ 校长、副校长和心理医生听到枪声后都迅速出门查看情况，但只... 阅读全帖 |
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a**e
发帖数: 8800 | 23 有道理。
看看其他政府规定的gun free zone外面是不是都站着拿着枪的警卫？咿呀，真的有啊！
学校呢？一方面规定学校是gun free zone，一方面没有任何措施保证这个zone的安全
。这是李波肉一贯脑残的一个具体证明。
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C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 24 【 以下文字转载自 GunsAndGears 讨论区 】
发信人: Commissar (柯宓同志), 信区: GunsAndGears
标 题: 牛浙西gun buy back的成就
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 19 20:12:15 2012, 美东)
俺一值认为，痢膊肉是最善于自欺欺人的，这个New Jersey gun buy back活动，痢膊
肉大呼成功，好像在本版也有转发。转发时，都上传了第一张照片，但是不知有意无意
，都省略了第二张照片。活动有多成功，大家自己判断吧。 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 25 by Jammie
Hopefully his colleagues find their balls and join him in their outrage.
“The asinine editors at the Journal News, have once again gone out of
their way to place a virtual scarlet letter on law abiding firearm owners
throughout the region. The immediate elimination of the information posted
on the Journal News Website is the only way we can ensure the safety and
liberty of these New Yorkers. This is clearly a violation of privacy, and
needs to be corrected immediately. The same eli... 阅读全帖 |
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b******o
发帖数: 5644 | 26 Generally, if you live in a civilized society, more guns mean more death,”
said David Hemenway
这是对的。但是这个IF有点大。看看NJIT的仲兴吧。他和劫匪可能都没枪，或者劫匪有
枪也没用，但一个优秀青年还是死了。如果劫匪想到他可能有枪，可能会偷袭他，他还
会死，但也可能就放弃打劫这个高风险低收益的目标，仲兴就还活着。 |
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t**********0
发帖数: 1700 | 27 There is no evidence that banning guns reduces crime. None at all.
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civilized
the |
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 28 And those retards still failed to the irony here -
Gun ownership wasn't enough deterrent for the burglary.
So you guys need to lay mines on your property.
I
Plains,
reported
hurt.
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r****9
发帖数: 4961 | 29 All I see is a responsible gun owner taken good care of his firearms by
locking it up. |
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g*****1
发帖数: 286 | 30 According to CNN/Time Magazine/ORC International poll, 55% favor stricter
gun control laws, with 37% saying that they strongly support such laws.
Forty-four percent oppose such measures, including 27% who say they strongly
oppose stricter gun control laws. |
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g***y
发帖数: 1268 | 31 关闭Gun show 和 private sell 的漏洞的方法有两个，一是取消所有私人枪支交易，
显然不可能。二是universal background check. 这主要是privacy issue. 现在只有
licensed dealer才可以向federal database提交请求，如果把private transaction包
括进来，基本上就是所有人都可以查所有人。这还是比较可怕的。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 32 by Jammie
Obviously it’s the fault of global warming or something. That or the
refusal to crack down on gangbangers since that would be racist. But the
carnage continues while the national media turns a blind eye.
Six people were shot across Chicago overnight, including two men who
were wounded while sitting in a car in the South Austin neighborhood on the
West Side, police said.
The men, 19 and 37, were in the 5000 block of West Madison Street when
someone approached on foot and started... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 33 January 31, 2013 by Warner Todd Huston
Rocket launchers roaming our city streets and being turned in at gun buyback
programs is a fake story the Old Media establishment has repeatedly
promulgated as real and I am getting a bit sick and tired of it.
Early in January I noted an instance where the media went gaga over “
missile launchers” that were turned in at a gun buyback program in Los
Angeles. Then I noted that the so-called “rocket launchers” where really
nothing of the kind.
As it happens th... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 34 by Jeff Graham
The White House has put out a photo of President Obama shooting a gun, but
is warning the Internet world not to do nasty things with it, like photo
shop it.
They Did It Anyway
Like, how do you stop that ? Of course the image will be used in a
variety of ways. That's why I never participate in things like dunking
booths or those "arrest" fundraisers, where a photo could be used to
ridicule or defame.
The photo is a silly attempt to pander and whether the President
occasional... 阅读全帖 |
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g***y
发帖数: 1268 | 35 你这是扯淡了。有哪个industry里，所有企业要做掉一个企业是通过consumer boycott
?
你这种解释无非是基于先入为主的假设NRA是为gun industry工作的。但是这篇文章和
采访完全是推翻这种假设。
此外文章第5页第一段，NRA的经费大部分来自会员，小部分来自枪厂。你不造谣很难么？ |
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g***y
发帖数: 1268 | 36 我不需要狡辩。我承认我的说法没有准确反映原文。原文的说法是
Corporate dollars, moreover, still make up only a modest fraction of the NRA
’s budget. Most of its money comes from individual dues and contributions,
ads sold by NRA publications, and merchandise.
所以你不用和我抠字眼。我说的不准确，原文准确。
你要是想反驳，说NRA的广告是送钱的幌子，倒也值得讨论。
但是你来一个“nra从枪厂获得的各种收入”多，因此“NRA就是枪厂的走狗”，这就是
pure stupidity.
给你一个例子来证明你的stupidity，在没有free to work 的州，对于每一个雇员，不
管是不是工会会员，资本家都付一笔钱给工会当做会费。按你的逻辑，工会是不是资本
家的走狗？
此外你上班从老板手里拿钱，同时你现在上网发帖子，你是不是老板的走狗，是不是拿
钱发帖的五毛？
你要是相信NRA就是枪厂的走狗，也无... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 37 March 28, 2013
By Stephen Gutowski
Responding in-kind to Jim Carrey's recent "Funny or Die" video mocking gun
owners, Reason has teamed up with the rapper Remy once again. They've
produced a musical take-down of Carrey, hitting every one of his hypocrisies
along the way.
The Remy/Reason video is not only spot on satire of the ridiculous arguments
it targets, but - unlike the Carrey video - it also actually is funny in
the process. Carrey's original video, of course, missed on both fronts. That
'... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 38 by Jammie
No wonder these douchebags in Washington are in such a hurry to ram through
anti-gun legislation. Have a look at the top four issues concerning
Americans and ask why these idiots are doing nothing about them, instead
distracting us with red herring issues.
Economy in general 24%
Unemployment/Jobs 18%
Dissatisfaction with Government 16%
Federal budget deficit/Federal debt 11%
Obama ... 阅读全帖 |
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s****i
发帖数: 5469 | 39 是不是本来要去隔壁写着“Gun free zone”的店，结果一看见“gun”这个词就打了鸡
血，直接
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 40 September 30, 2013 - 11:35 AM
By DAVID DISHNEAU, Associated Press
HAGERSTOWN, Md. (AP) — The state of Maryland faces a second challenge to a
gun control law set to take effect Tuesday.
On Friday, a collection of gun shops, firearm associations and people with
pending handgun permit applications filed the complaint in U.S. District
Court in Baltimore. They're challenging a provision requiring prospective
buyers to submit their fingerprints to obtain a handgun qualification
license.
The plaintiffs... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 41 via Breitbart Feed
(AP) -- Black Friday is also one of the biggest days of the year for gun
sales. That puts pressure on the system for background checks.
Researchers with the National Instant Criminal Background Check System,
which is overseen by the FBI, have until the end of the third business day
following an attempted firearm purchase to determine whether a buyer is
eligible. After that, buyers have the right to get their guns even if the
check wasn't completed.
Last year, the clock ran out... 阅读全帖 |
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d*******p
发帖数: 2525 | 42 你告诉我侯赛因女儿上的学校是gun zone还是gun-free zone? |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 44 Trey Gowdy Grills DHS Official on Due Process, Gun Rights
BY: Stephen Gutowski Follow @@StephenGutowski
December 14, 2015 4:10 pm
Rep. Trey Gowdy (R., S.C.) questioned a Department of Homeland Security
official about the idea that American citizens on the terrorist watchlist
should be denied gun rights on Friday.
“What process is afforded a U.S. citizen, not someone who’s overstayed a
visa, not someone who crossed a border without permission, but an American
citizen—what process is currently ... 阅读全帖 |
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r****p
发帖数: 480 | 45 有那么多armed security，secret service怎么是gun free zone? 民主党的gun free
zone根本没人把守的好吧，上次那个学校就是。
事实上因为这么多公共场所，如果每个地方都有足够的警力保护，人民不持枪也是可以
的，可现实做不到，那么多公共场合，那得养多少警察，所以做不到的地方人民有权利
保护自己。 |
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j*********r
发帖数: 24733 | 46 猪党为毛不把白宫警卫全撤了，改成宣布白宫是gun free zone不就结了? gun free
zone多安全啊。 |
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c****n
发帖数: 229 | 47 支持主党禁枪！
在主党的8年统治下，美国国内治安状况不断改善，种族矛盾和国民经济水平不断改善
提高
种族冲突，刑事案件和恐怖袭击的发生率降到了美国历史上最低水平，美国人民生活幸
福美满，
国力不断提高，经济欣欣向荣，真正做到了路不拾遗，夜不闭户的国泰民安！
我们不仅支持在GOP辩论现场建立gun free zone,更支持把全美都变成gun free zone.
请总统， 国务卿，和各位政客从自己做起，先给自己的body guards和警务系统解除武装 |
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发帖数: 1 | 48 Liberal把这个国家搞得乱乱的。搞Gun-Free Zones， 迫使对付Gun-Free Zones的法律
出台。 给非法移民发驾照，以后坐国内航班还得带护照，只驾照不行了。让恐怖分子
混在难民里进入美国，Disney雇用更多的保安和警犬，票价涨了，不准穿Costume进园
了。想拿federal funding？学校得给一个transgender在女更衣室里面开个房间，外
面不行。乱乱乱。 |
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i***a
发帖数: 4718 | 49 FINALLY. 有人想明白了。
https://news.yahoo.com/thousands-call-guns-us-republican-conven
180751629.html
Washington (AFP) - More than 22,000 people have signed a petition calling
for Americans to be allowed to carry firearms at the Republican National
Convention -- because the ban puts lives at risk.
Guns are not allowed inside the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, where the
event -- which could descend into a heated battle for the party presidential
ticket -- is taking place in July.
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发帖数: 29846 | 50 哈哈, 我早就说过楼主就是个傻逼加左逼.
我们说学校还有什么街区搞gun free zone是傻逼做法是因为犯罪分子带枪进那个zone
是没有办法阻止的, 那种地方不可能有门卫保护的, 这个gun free zone反而阻挡了合
法持枪者在那个地区合法持枪. 但GOP大会肯定门口有保安, 里面有警察. 加上各个候
选人都有secret service保护. 所以要求进去的其他人不带枪是正常的,因为那个减少
了里面警察的负担.
把这两件事连起来说就好比把非法移民和合法移民等同起来一样, 一个字来形容楼主:
二, 两个字来形容楼主: 傻逼. 三个字来形容楼主: 大傻逼. |
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