b******u
发帖数: 134 | 1 从目前发展到的情况来看，我赞同老王以及insect9的观点。
理由是：这件事是大事，发生后第一时间川普团队已经知道。Gorsuch本人必须第一时
间主动和川普解释清楚发生了什么事，为什么他这样说。也就是说，川普的推应该是和
Gorsuch直接交流过后再发的。
这件事对川普的忠粉来说可能是一个比较大的挑战，希望大家能冷静下来，听其言观其
行吧，不要太着急去评价和攻击Gorsuch。Gorsuch如果能和川普及川普团队解释清楚，
问题就基本上不存在了。而Gorsuch是没有必要，也不应该，甚至不可能向公众解释。
再者，Gorsuch的话如果能让主党精神胜利，我觉得不是坏事。
最后，如果川普的确有过界的EO出来，该ban的还是要ban。法官中立对国家只是好事不
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发帖数: 61690 | 2 Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) is signaling that he could buck Democratic
leadership and help President Trump's Supreme Court nominee clear a 60-vote
threshold in the Senate.
“I am not inclined to filibuster, even though I’m not inclined to vote for
him," Leahy — a former ranking member on the Judiciary Committee — told a
Vermont news outlet.
Neil Gorsuch will need 60 votes — including the support of at least eight
Democratic senators — to overcome an initial procedural hurdle. GOP
leadership has r... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 3 看和党参议院是不也是黔之驴了。
Senate Democrats secured the votes on Monday to block President Donald Trump
's Supreme Court nominee, but it was virtually certain to be a short-lived
political victory. Republicans have vowed to change Senate rules to put Neil
Gorsuch on the court and score a much-needed win for their party.
Delaware Sen. Chris Coons said before a Judiciary Committee vote on Gorsuch
that he would vote with his fellow Democrats to block the nomination later
this week. Majority Leader Mitch McCon... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5818 | 4 那些话都是那个越战骗子在会见 Gorsuch 时，他自己说的。Gorsuch 听着这些， 没有
当场 为 trump 辩护。
真实细节就是，这些话 是这个民主党 越战骗子在 Gorsuch 在场时说的，然后开press
，扭成 是 Gorsuch 说。
换句话就是，越战骗子把自己的话 愣 赛到 Gorsuch 嘴里。
这是我知道的细节，要是有其它事实，请更正。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 5 虽然说了也不算什么，但新闻报道让人及其怀疑其真实性，连起码的context都不提。
[在 cellcycle (vacoule) 的大作中提到：]
:那些话都是那个越战骗子在会见 Gorsuch 时，他自己说的。Gorsuch 听着这些， 没
有当场 为 trump 辩护。
:真实细节就是，这些话 是这个民主党 越战骗子在 Gorsuch 在场时说的，然后开
press，扭成 是 Gorsuch 说。
:换句话就是，越战骗子把自己的话 愣 赛到 Gorsuch 嘴里。
:这是我知道的细节，要是有其它事实，请更正。 |
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发帖数: 3927 | 6 Gorsuch 曾经判过一个卡车司机被解雇的案件。卡车司机在深夜温度到零下的时候，发
现 brake 不好使了，被冰冻住了，卡车司机向公司寻求帮助，公司说会派人来帮他，
让他等着。他在车里等了几个小时，他车里的取暖器失灵了，然后半夜一点，他的家人
给他打电话的时候，发现他说话都不清楚了，他的脚都没有知觉了，觉得他在被冻死的
过程中。然后他再给公司打电话，公司给他选择，要么等，要么开刹车闸失灵的上路。
他决定把前车和 trailer分开，然后把前车开到附近的加油站，让自己暖和暖和。１５
分钟后，他回到原地等救援。
因为他１５分钟没有选择和 trailer 在一起，他被公司解雇了。
Gorsuch 法官说解雇是正确的，是合法的。判这案子的三个法官，只有 Gorsuch说解雇
是合法的。
议员Al Franken 问 Gorsuch，如果你是那个卡车司机，你要么呆在原地被冻死，要么
开刹车失灵的上路，可能出车祸而死，你选择哪个？Gorsuch 法官说，他不是那个卡车
司机，没他什么事。 |
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发帖数: 2201 | 7 公司解雇司机不合法
板上穿粉小黄人黑白不分 硬装做狠心代言人 事实上是没有勇气坚持真理的一帮乌合之众
[在 doctor1999 (doctor 1999) 的大作中提到：]
:Gorsuch 曾经判过一个卡车司机被解雇的案件。卡车司机在深夜温度到零下的时候，
发现 brake 不好使了，被冰冻住了，卡车司机向公司寻求帮助，公司说会派人来帮他，
:让他等着。他在车里等了几个小时，他车里的取暖器失灵了，然后半夜一点，他的家
人给他打电话的时候，发现他说话都不清楚了，他的脚都没有知觉了，觉得他在被冻死
的过程中。然后他再给公司打电话，公司给他选择，要么等，要么开刹车闸失灵的上路
。他决定把前车和 trailer分开，然后把前车开到附近的加油站，让自己暖和暖和。１
５分钟后，他回到原地等救援。
:因为他１５分钟没有选择和 trailer 在一起，他被公司解雇了。
:Gorsuch 法官说解雇是正确的，是合法的。判这案子的三个法官，只有 Gorsuch说解
雇是合法的。
:议员Al Franken 问 Gorsuch，如果你是那个卡车司机，你要么呆在原地被冻死，要么
:开刹车失灵的上路，可能... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2932 | 8 按照一般规律，如果trump的一个政策出来后，左x骂得越凶，跳脚跳得越高，说明政策
很到位，打到七寸了，例如对Betsy DeVos的提名和travel ban，左媒新闻上的反应简
直跟要杀左x爹妈一样。
大家可以翻翻刚刚提名Gorsuch时那几个大左媒的反应，很正面，正面，正面（重要的
事情说三遍）。主题就是这个提名让最近跌宕起伏的政坛平静了一些。
现在又出来了demoralizing的事，这种话保守派评论家可以说，GOP的议员也可以说，
甚至最高院的保守派大法官也可以说，但作为刚刚提名大法官的Gorsuch这么说非常不
合适（他完全可以保持沉默）
当天提名时我就翻了一下Gorsuch的的wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gorsuch
有这么一句话
“Gorsuch is a proponent of textualism in statutory interpretation and
originalism in interpreting the U.S. Constitution.”
什么意思呢？就是在他手上，一个好的法律条文会产生... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8869 | 9 Within a half-hour, Gorsuch spokesman Ron Bonjean, who was tapped by the
White House to head communications for Gorsuch, confirmed that the nominee,
Gorsuch, used those words in his meeting with Blumenthal. Several other
senators, including Republican Sen. Ben Sasse of Nebraska, later relayed
similar accounts of Gorsuch forcefully criticizing Trump's public attacks on
the judiciary branch
press |
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发帖数: 5818 | 10 这个link 里有点 真货，只有两个地方，觉得有些意义：
Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) told MSNBC he similarly spoke with Gorsuch about
Trump's relationship with the judiciary.
"Disheartening is a great word. Judge Gorsuch and I actually talked about
that.
听着像 Gorsuch和 Sasse 交流时 用过这个 “Disheartening”
最后一段最有意思：
"And, frankly, it seems to me that that's a good reason why his nomination
shouldn't be politicized," the senator added. "People all across the
political spectrum should love the fact that he's going to be a warrior for
our... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1091 | 11 哈哈，这很尴尬啊
Gorsuch: Criticism of judges -- including Trump's -- 'disheartening'
Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch criticized Tuesday President Donald Trump
's attacks on the federal judge who blocked his administration's travel ban,
saying for the first time publicly that he found them "disheartening" and "
demoralizing."
Gorsuch previously made those comments in private conversations with
senators, but Tuesday marked the first time he went on the record with his
disapproval of the president's rh... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1772 | 12 看起来民主党真的是党内无人了。这个明明是保守派法官的得分项。共和党参众两院多
数的情况下如此攻击等于送Gorsuch进高院。
“My job is to apply the law that you write. The law as written said he
would be protected if he refused to operate. By any plain understanding, he
operated the vehicle,” Gorsuch continued. “I said it was an unkind
decision, I said it might have been a wrong decision, a bad decision, but my
job isn’t to write the law, senator, it’s to apply the law. If congress
passes a law saying the trucker in those circumstances gets to choose how ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 61 | 13 https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-22/gorsuch-criticized-as
-top-court-rejects-him-on-disabled-students
U.S. Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch drew fire in his Senate confirmation
hearing after the high court Wednesday unanimously rejected his position on
the educational rights of disabled students.
The Supreme Court ruling, issued in the case of an autistic boy, said school
districts had to do more to meet the needs of disabled students than
Gorsuch had required in a 2008 appe... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 24733 | 14 Brief summary of the Gorsuch hearings:
Democrats: "Why did you rule that way?"
Gorsuch: "Because that's how the law reads"
Democrats: "That's not very fair. You're hurting Americans"
Gorsuch: "It's Congress role to make laws fair if that's what they want to
do. A judge's role is to rule based on what the law actually says"
Democrats: "We cannot support Judge Gorsuch!"
----copied from foxnews reader GEdwards666's comments |
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发帖数: 3433 | 15 Former Sen. Kelly Ayotte, who is aiding Gorsuch as he speaks with senators,
released a statement Thursday morning clarifying the comments Gorsuch made
to Blumenthal.
"Judge Gorsuch has made it very clear in all of his discussions with
senators, including Senator Blumenthal, that he could not comment on any
specific cases and that judicial ethics prevent him from commenting on
political matters," Ayotte said. "He has also emphasized the importance of
an independent judiciary, and while he made cl... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5568 | 16 这位不是反川反到丢了参议院席位的那位么，丫来洗地那是越洗越污
: Former Sen. Kelly Ayotte, who is aiding Gorsuch as he speaks with
senators,
: released a statement Thursday morning clarifying the comments Gorsuch
made
: to Blumenthal.
: "Judge Gorsuch has made it very clear in all of his discussions with
: senators, including Senator Blumenthal, that he could not comment on
any
: specific cases and that judicial ethics prevent him from commenting on
: political matters," Ayotte said. "He has also e... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 17 Schumer calls for delaying Gorsuch vote because of Trump-Russia probe
By ELANA SCHOR 03/21/17 02:12 PM EDT
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer called for a delay of Supreme Court
nominee Neil Gorsuch’s confirmation on Tuesday given the ongoing FBI
investigation into potential collusion between President Donald Trump’s
campaign and Russian officials.
“You can bet, if the shoe were on the other foot and a Democratic president
was under investigation by the FBI, the Republicans would be howling at... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8869 | 18 这个我要替gorsuch说句话，这个法律写的是“refuse to drive the car"，现实是司
机drove the car, 这个法律写的不严谨。
gorsuch这个判决，应该促使law maker修改法律，精益求精。
我想gorsuch也知道自己这个判决不是多数，表明一个态度而已，r |
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发帖数: 4718 | 19 Gorsuch's confirmation would mean a return to Washington.
He spent part of his youth in Washington when his mother, Anne Gorsuch
Burford, served in the Reagan administration as administrator of the
Environmental Protection Agency.
She resigned in 1983 under controversy after refusing to turn over toxic
waste records to Congress. |
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 22 我个人跟你感觉一样，那些批评的话，都是 几乎都是议员说的，Gorsuch 因没有当面
反驳或辩解什么的，表示尊重赞同，
因为 Gorsuch 要兜售自己，这点上他比奥巴提的那个聪明多了。
另外，是完全的私下会谈。媒体做文章，剩下就你们自己判断。
现在，我听右派talk show，这些 trump support 都说 那个越战骗子 是 snake，看他
过去的撒谎史。 |
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发帖数: 3927 | 23 真心没有。大家都很高兴看到你被 Gorsuch 法官解雇，或者你的孩子老公被 Gorsuch
法官解雇。 |
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发帖数: 61 | 24 今天supreme court对disabled children的判决跟这个案子很有相似之处。 全票通过
，推翻gorsuch在colorado的判决。如果scalia没死，估计就是8比1了。。。果然这个
gorsuch就是跟scalia一样。
真是百思不解 这坛子里，居然有捧scalia臭脚的。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 27 Gorsuch在高等法院问题上遵循两点核心理念，这两点是美国三权分立的宪政基石。
1. 尊(宪)法守(宪)法
2. 高院是释法机构而不是立法机构，修宪或立新法是国会的事。
前年的同性婚姻联邦法就是被左倾的高院造出来的，这是对美国宪政很有破坏性的一件
事情。若依据宪政基石，高院它本没有被赋予这个职能。高院的职责是这样子的：如果
某个州，把州内同性婚姻法打到最高法院，高院可以根据已有宪法判定这个诉讼是违宪
还是合法。所以，一个严守宪法坚定维护美国宪政基石的最高法院大法官将决定美国的
未来和你我的命运。
我一群众，之所以支持Trump，其实就是等Gorsuch入高院这一天，连带下两个可能的高
院大法官提名，其它都是小事，民主党再怎么急速左倾，也会碰壁的。玩游戏就得讲规
矩。 |
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发帖数: 24733 | 28 假眼泪输魔发言说希望Judge Gorsuch多听听他们的debate，我希望Judge Gorsuch听完
之后更加痛恨这帮胡搅蛮缠没事找事的左臂然后断案再向更右边多靠靠。哈哈 |
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发帖数: 1 | 29 Gorsuch现在是川普的最大成绩
不罢免Gorsuch就不配当川黑
哈哈 |
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发帖数: 2088 | 30 The Supreme Court on Tuesday invalidated a provision of federal law that
requires the mandatory deportation of immigrants who have been convicted of
some crimes, holding that the law is unconstitutionally vague.
As expected after the oral argument, Justice Neil Gorsuch joined with the
more liberal justices for the first time since joining the court to produce
a 5-4 majority invalidating the federal statute.
老王来谈谈Gorsuch的reasoning吧 |
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发帖数: 8869 | 31 人家劳拉英格拉汉姆早说了这个gorsuch是卧底，你们还不听。
Laura Ingraham
✔
@IngrahamAngle
Is this a terrible sign that Gorsuch desires to fit in with the elites—or
a sign that he really is that clever?
of
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发帖数: 2438 | 32 门狗跟湾仔一样不懂英文，难道都是廊坊培训班学员？
：人家劳拉英格拉汉姆早说了这个gorsuch是卧底，你们还不听。
：Laura Ingraham
：✔
：@IngrahamAngle
： Is this a terrible sign that Gorsuch desires to fit in with the elites—
or a sign that he really is that clever?
：【 在 mrchabuduo (Infinity War) 的大作中提到: 】
：: The Supreme Court on Tuesday invalidated a provision of federal law that
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发帖数: 43471 | 33 我就等着你们跳出来表演，然后我可以给你们上课。对我还真就认为gorsuch比这四个
右派大法官思想更先进一些。这四位右派大法官的角度更多是从执法实践来考虑。
Gorsuch应该是认为应该让立法者把法律更完善，避免左x滥用迫害良民。
你们那四位左派大法官中的某几位常年把法律当手纸，我看听辩论都浪费精神，写的判
决意见都跟你们的买买提帖子一个水平，根本不需要当回事。 |
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发帖数: 43070 | 34 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: shajiannu (shajiannu), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: gorsuch对AA什么看法？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jan 31 21:09:04 2017, 美东)
The authors predict Judge Gorsuch, a federal appeals court judge in Denver,
would be a reliable conservative, “voting to limit gay rights, uphold
restrictions on abortion and invalidate affirmative action programs.” |
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发帖数: 29853 | 36 他为肯尼迪打过工。现在平起平坐了。
有人说过Obama提名的女法官卡跟影响肯尼迪太大，gorsuch也许能平衡一下。 |
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发帖数: 29853 | 37 这里肯定没说这一段。：)
斯加利亚去世时，gorsuch正在滑雪，他当时都流泪了。在后来的纪念演讲里，他把斯
加利亚尊为法律之狮。 |
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发帖数: 1256 | 38 Trump 的大法官 Gorsuch 是保守派，反对 lgbt 的。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 39 所以我支持Gorsuch，共和党建制派一样会任命保守派 |
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发帖数: 2249 | 40 The authors predict Judge Gorsuch, a federal appeals court judge in Denver,
would be a reliable conservative, “voting to limit gay rights, uphold
restrictions on abortion and invalidate affirmative action programs.” |
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发帖数: 20761 | 42 Gorsuch calls Trump's tweets 'disheartening' |
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发帖数: 897 | 43 今天看到这个真的好失望好失望！
这个Gorsuch在这个节骨眼上应该三箴其口的，却反而说出这样的话，真是让人寒心！
心疼老床！
在宣誓仪式上我就看他不顺眼，不觉得他帅，有点薄相的感觉，和第乐森‘马蹄寺等人
的帅气福态完全不搭。
现在老床还能撤回任命吗？换一个看着顺眼点有福相的吧！ |
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发帖数: 702 | 44 八成Gorsuch又去向老川解释去了。不过这样感觉真的不好。怎么选个真正保守派法官
这么难？
看来看去，还是Thomas法官最好，虽然是个黑人，但是真的保守。 |
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发帖数: 51 | 45 我觉得是gorsuch和trump说好了为了让他当上大法官。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 46 川普这种眼里揉不得沙子的人物 被Gorsuch负面评价肯定不爽 （他只有很不爽的时候
才会跑到twitter骂人）但是去骂法官不相当于抽自己嘴巴么 所以搞个替罪羊咯 |
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发帖数: 2932 | 47 现在这个时候，GOP议员和现任大法官，甚至牛津贵朱利安尼都可以批评trump，
gorsuch跳出来说这个话，至少证明没有足够的政治智慧。
你随便猜。 |
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M******d
发帖数: 486 | 48 What I suspected. If this is really what happened, Gorsuch is even smarter
that I thought. Both the left and the right can have their own
interpretation of what he really meant.
"大师，你看我今年能不能结婚啊？“
”肯定非结不成。“
Personally I've learned a ton from this election cycle. Taking offensive
positions and leaving the guesswork to your oponents have proven to be
winning strategies.
,
referring |
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f*******e
发帖数: 3433 | 49 trump上任后和好了。trump还考虑过給她职位
Gorsuch
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c*******o
发帖数: 8869 | 50 他的最大缺点就是太年轻，才40多岁，很容易被社会风气带左。当年老布什提了一个年
纪和gorsuch差不多的，保守派非常兴奋，但是后来判决立场逐渐变得和金斯堡，
breyer差不多。
保守派应该提一个老帮菜才能放心。 |
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