C****o
发帖数: 1549 | 1 川普上任一年话题不断，被指控与俄国有勾结，试图破坏美国民主和希拉蕊的选情，协
助川普胜选美国总统。而日前国会情报委员会的最高民主党代表人Adam Schiff在接受
CNN主持人Ana Cabrera访问时，被主持人问道，为何不能将这份美国海外情报监听法庭
(Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court，FISA)的调查备忘录公开给大众，让大
众自己去评断。Schiff的回答却是令人傻眼，他说「因为美国大众看不懂」。
在这段访问中，Cabrera说「你都在我的节目了，我一定要问问问你关于俄国调查的事
件，特别是我们在川普第一年总统任期中我们不断提及此事件，此外许多保守派媒体也
不断在谈这个。可否请你告诉我们调查内容到底是什么？以及为何不能对美国大众公开
？让美国大众自己决定评断那些调查内容是否是有用的资讯？」
Schiff说，「这份调查内容备忘录里面没什么，而很不幸的，美国人并没有基本理解，
因此无法分辨这份资料的内容是多么的扭曲与误导。Schiff并说，「共和党并没有说『
要让大众也能取得基本资讯』，他们只想要让大众将茅头对准FBI。」 |
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发帖数: 994 | 3 针对联邦调查局局长雷伊(Christopher Wray)13日于国会听证会，提到在美中国学生与
学者具潜在国家安全威胁言论，美国华人联合会(UCA)14日发出声明表示，这种将所有
在美中国学生、学者"一笔抹黑"的说法完全错误，且危言耸听，UCA指出，美政府无足
够证据就指控他人不忠、颠覆、叛国的"麦卡锡主义"(McCarthyism)作风，令华裔社区
无法接受。
促进美国华人参政与维权的非营利组织"美国华人联合会"指出， 华裔长期以来一直受
到怀疑，歧视，故意迫害，历史上更曾出现臭名昭着的华人排华法案。联合会表示，历
史总是重蹈覆辙，尤其近来在美华人，屡被视为"永久外国人"对待，而华裔因为族裔背
景，受到美国政府的质疑刁难也时有闻，例如李文和、陈霞芬、郗小星 等，都是因为
族裔而被错误起诉，这种作法对美国的法治及公民自由传统，带来损害与耻辱。
UCA说，美国不能以牺牲部分族裔社区，作为寻求国家安全的代价，这不仅是破坏神圣
公民自由，也伤害向来自豪的法治传统。联合会说，这种作法是危险的，是不美国的，
不可接受的。UCA呼吁公正的美国人，尤其是那些了解并与中国学生和学者有接触者，
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发帖数: 1872 | 4 川普大大训斥司法部长塞申斯 塞申斯顶嘴
华盛顿 —
美国总统川普星期三在推特上抨击说，司法部长杰夫·塞申斯要求对官员们如何申请法
院批准对一名前川普竞选团队助手进行秘密监视一事进行内部调查，而不是让有起诉权
的司法部律师调查，这是“可耻的”(disgraceful)。川普发推后，塞申斯迅速顶撞。
美司法部长塞申斯
美司法部长塞申斯
这是一位美国总统和他自己任命的一名内阁成员罕见的公开争吵。塞申斯表示，他任命
一位内部调查监督人员、也就是司法部的监察长来判定联调局在从情报监视法院获取许
可监听前川普助理卡特·佩奇时是否滥用了职权，这样的做法符合“正当程序”。
塞申斯表示，“只要我还是司法部长，我将继续刚正不阿地履行我的职责，本司法部将
继续按照法律和宪法以公正和不偏不倚的方式工作。”
去年，塞申斯由于在川普竞选总统期间自己和时任俄罗斯驻美大使基斯里亚克进行过会
晤的事情而回避了司法部的涉俄调查，此后，川普总统数月来一直对塞申斯很恼火，但
是没有采取解除他职务的举动。塞申斯回避本案导致司法部任命了特别检察官罗伯特·
穆勒，对川普竞选阵营与俄罗斯之间的联系进行了历时数月的调查，给川普的执政蒙... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 5 The entire investigation is poisoned fruit from a poisoned tree. Concocted
fraudulent dossiers do not FISA evidence make. Everyone involved is guilty
of defrauding the court. |
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d****o
发帖数: 32610 | 6 连发8推
Donald J. Trump
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
6h6 hours ago
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Things are really getting ridiculous. The Failing and Crooked (but not as
Crooked as Hillary Clinton) @nytimes has done a long & boring story
indicating that the World’s most expensive Witch Hunt has found nothing on
Russia & me so now they are looking at the rest of the World!
Donald J. Trump
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
6h6 hours ago
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....At what point does this soon to be $20,000,000 Witch Hunt,... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 7 So we now find out that it was indeed the unverified and Fake Dirty Dossier,
that was paid for by Crooked Hillary Clinton and the DNC, that was
knowingly & falsely submitted to FISA and which was responsible for starting
the totally conflicted and discredited Mueller Witch Hunt!
“It was classified to cover up misconduct by the FBI and the Justice
Department in misleading the Court by using this Dossier in a dishonest way
to gain a warrant to target the Trump Team. This is a Clinton Campaign
docu... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 8 床铺 playing everyone like a cheap Violin.
Especially his supports.... Look a squirrel.... oh Damn nothing for
Rosenstein...
What happened to Huber.... oh yeah.....
Whats a FISA Warrant....
Anyone seen Sessions? |
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发帖数: 2883 | 9 还窃听了肉姆泥的2012 campaign, 消息漏出，空军MAGA派青年将校崛起，攻击deep
state. |
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发帖数: 1 | 11 sb老酱NYT，你帝不光有FISC/FISA，还有货运公司把运欧洲ISP的路由转交NSA装后门，有
ATT把traffic镜像给NSA，有古狗／苹果把DC敞开给NSA，NIST的标准都给堂而皇之的按
了后门，难道都是违法的 |
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发帖数: 2001 | 12 WASHINGTON — In late November 2018, just over a year before the first
coronavirus case was identified in Wuhan, China, U.S. Customs and Border
Protection agents at Detroit Metro Airport stopped a Chinese biologist with
three vials labeled “Antibodies” in his luggage.
The biologist told the agents that a colleague in China had asked him to
deliver the vials to a researcher at a U.S. institute. After examining the
vials, however, customs agents came to an alarming conclusion.
“Inspection of the wr... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1124 | 13 FISA
看明白了吗，是不用warrant直接监听TG的间谍，这种最隐秘的玩意都被抖了出来，可
见美帝一直在监视，我怀疑美帝的NSA/CIA/FBI肯定有料，这个病毒的来龙去脉，估计
不久的将来会大白 |
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发帖数: 8363 | 14 "They went after–and I know this because I had my hands literally on
the paperwork for these sort of things–they went after high-ranking
military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate
and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the
armed services committees and some of the–and judicial. "
"But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and
law firms. All kinds of–heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went
after judges. One of the judges is no... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 112 | 15 http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/07/10/obama_fisa/index.html?source=newsletter
Betrayed by Obama
The Democrat's FISA sellout is unforgivable, but he's counting on supporters
having no place else to go. And McCain's nutty neocon Iran talk helps him
make his case.
Joan Walsh
Jul. 10, 2008 | What an interesting week: I came back from vacation to find
the two presumptive presidential nominees running away from their bases.
Suddenly John McCain is evading, not embracing, the medi |
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发帖数: 8363 | 17 "They went after–and I know this because I had my hands literally on
the paperwork for these sort of things–they went after high-ranking
military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate
and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the
armed services committees and some of the–and judicial. "
"But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and
law firms. All kinds of–heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went
after judges. One of the judges is no... 阅读全帖 |
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t******g
发帖数: 1667 | 18 “当11月铁锈带雨后春笋般地出现大片支持唐老壮的牌子时，希拉里才意识到问题的严
重。”
希拉里意识到问题的严重未必是因为"当11月铁锈带雨后春笋般地出现大片支持唐老壮
的牌子"
十月份申请FISA的warrant去监听Trump Tower，十一月开始改变拉票策略，真巧 |
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发帖数: 1 | 19 也有可能太托大了，以为 Hillary 必胜，所以不是很小心。
如果留下过硬的把柄，那一定要往死里操他们。
FISA |
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发帖数: 38600 | 20 Option A: Obama got a warrant before the tap. This would suggest a FISA
court found it reasonable to issue one which would be some serious shit for
Trump.
Option B: Obama didn't get a warrant before the tap. This would be a crime,
and he should be in jail by now if Trump has proof.
Option C: Trump made it all up.
In decreasing order of likelihood, C>A>B |
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 21 Option A: Obama got a warrant before the tap. This would suggest a FISA
court found it reasonable to issue one which would be some serious shit for
Trump.
Option B: Obama didn't get a warrant before the tap. This would be a crime,
and he should be in jail by now if Trump has proof.
Option C: Trump made it all up.
In decreasing order of likelihood, C>A>B |
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i******r
发帖数: 1175 | 22 That is governed by fisa court, Obama is guilty for this new watergate.
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发帖数: 5600 | 23 两次都通过FISA法庭，六月的被法官拒绝，十月的被法官批准，至少程序是走了的 |
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发帖数: 1 | 24 Turley further adds, “There is provisions statingthat a U.S. person
cannot be surveilled ‘solely upon the basis of activities protected by the
First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.’ Thus, if Trump
aides were targeted for political reasons, the surveillance would be
unlawful even under the dubious protections of FISA.”
This matter is probably deserving of further investigation, but so far,
there is no indication of anything illegal.
真心觉得川总应该沉住气，等有确凿证据，再开火。现在捅出来，给对手有准备的机会
。他还是太... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******n
发帖数: 8906 | 25 那fisa 的申请怎么来的？
: CNN报道:
: Asked about Trump's tweets on Saturday, a former senior US official
with
: direct knowledge of investigations by the Justice Department under the
Obama
: administration denied there was any such investigation of Trump or
that his
: phones were tapped.
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i******r
发帖数: 1175 | 26 连马桶都知道证据肯定是一大把在对方手里，自己干的能不清楚? FISA法庭的申请还在
案. 所以才推出不是我命
令的。 |
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i******r
发帖数: 1175 | 27 连马桶都知道证据肯定是一大把在对方手里，自己干的能不清楚? FISA法庭的申请还在
案. 所以才推出不是我命
令的。 |
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j**********r
发帖数: 3798 | 28 一个FBI agent拿了黄金浴的传言，到FISA给一个左逼法官看。法官就允许了窃听。法
官终身制，FBI agent本来就是怀疑而已，最后大家都没事。
黑八早早设下的局，就是这么算好了退路。 |
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t**********r
发帖数: 882 | 29 弹劾好像还不至于，但是影响总统的威信是一定的了。这个指控的结果真是不可预料的
，可能是迄今为止最大的新闻了。
就像你前面说的，要不就是Obama违法，即使不进监狱，历史评价也要有个大大的污点
了。要不就是Trump或者信口开河，影响以后的威信，或者FISA court/FBI公布信息，
说明wiretap是有根据，那就对Trump大大的不利 了 |
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c*****r
发帖数: 1491 | 30 3 points have confirmed：
1） Obama ordered #WireTap of Trump Tower
2） #FISA granted warrant
3） Continued wiretap after warrant expired
第三点足够搞死奥黑＋DOJ
下面就看哪个来顶锅了 |
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发帖数: 1 | 31 让FISA监听美国人这个本来就有问题吧，难怪开始被拒。
这事情美国老百姓最反感，别说解释，解释了也没用。 |
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a*******o
发帖数: 898 | 32 是的。
发信人: RaoYing (忠祥偶爱你), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 既使监听走了合法程序，现在也没法解释了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 4 22:12:52 2017, 美东)
让FISA监听美国人这个本来就有问题吧，难怪开始被拒。
这事情美国老百姓最反感，别说解释，解释了也没用。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 33 其中包括Obama第一份监听Trump的申请。
They go low，very very low! |
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c*****r
发帖数: 1491 | 36
你丫去监听竞选对手
还是在开票前一个月？？？ |
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发帖数: 1 | 37 批准了么？如果批准了，把批准的理由拿来看看好了，吵什么吵，真么简单，唉
: 你丫去监听竞选对手
: 还是在开票前一个月？？？
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发帖数: 1 | 38 第一要看当初申请的理由是否构成合理怀疑，第二要看监听的资料有没有被奥巴马利用
在竞选之上？还是法务部的内部使用而已？ |
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发帖数: 1 | 39 啥都不用管
只要监听了，猪党就玩了
名声就彻底臭了
定不定罪是次要的
哈哈哈哈哈
用？ |
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s**p
发帖数: 1097 | 40 这个得搞清楚吧，美帝总统竞选是选人，不像欧洲一些国家是政党竞选，党魁自动当选。
所以竞选对手是希拉里和川普，理论上和巴马没关系。这事必须得扯上巴马把情报共享
给希拉里才行。 |
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c******e
发帖数: 2503 | 41 马桶费死劲去给hillary助选，有conflict of interest了吧。
选。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 42 监听的理由是“需要监听来做Due diligence”，而不有确实的证据需要确认。这是
FOXnews刚刚报道的。
这个完全是非法的。 |
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j**********r
发帖数: 3798 | 43 尼玛总统候选人都被vet过的，莫须有的理由监听是大忌。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 45 怎么这么多情报机构？据说现在一共有二十几个之多？ |
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 46 老头的律师估计没找到FISA的文件，什么原因？ |
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d*****n
发帖数: 754 | 47 监听川普是委托英国军情部门执行的。军情六处申请监听延期的报告已经曝光
[在 maomaocong (linyun) 的大作中提到：]
:的要人。出人意料的是，FISA拒绝了。 |
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发帖数: 8041 | 48 就是前两次被fisa据了，后来好像换了一个法官，通过了。现在这部大戏越来越有意思
了。 |
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 49 一句话，就是美国立法 很小心 限制 政府 利用借口 监视自己的 国民，
现在，何况是 总统候选人，切还赢了 总统，这人现在有权 看到 这一切，
真比电影还有意思。
only
the
on |
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发帖数: 1 | 50 This is probably why the lefty media is in complete disarray.
They don't know what to say except babbling nonsense.
They probably knew of it all along, and they know this is the
end of all the Russian bullshit, and there is no way out of it. |
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