b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: gemini2012 (双子AB), 信区: USANews
标 题: 六个三粉electors的奇葩战术
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 22 14:20:34 2016, 美东)
Sanders Electors Vow To Vote Against Clinton In Wild Attempt To Keep Trump
From White House
Phillip Stucky
11:19 AM 11/22/2016
Six former Bernie supporters joined together in an attempt to buck their
state-mandated vote in an attempt to keep Trump from the White House, but
there’s just one problem: They are mandated to vote for Clinton.
The small contingent hails from... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6571 | 2 Sanders Electors Vow To Vote Against Clinton In Wild Attempt To Keep Trump
From White House
Phillip Stucky
11:19 AM 11/22/2016
Six former Bernie supporters joined together in an attempt to buck their
state-mandated vote in an attempt to keep Trump from the White House, but
there’s just one problem: They are mandated to vote for Clinton.
The small contingent hails from the states of Washington and Colorado, but
both states went to Clinton in the general election Nov. 8. The small group
plans to v... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 3 Elizabeth Williamson
DEC. 6, 2016
Recount battles in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are not expected to
yield an Electoral College victory for Hillary Clinton. That leaves one last
-ditch opportunity to bar Donald Trump from the White House: the Electoral
College vote on Dec. 19, when 538 electors will gather in their respective
states to choose the president. On Monday, Christopher Suprun, an elector
from Texas, became the first Republican to say publicly that he won’t vote
for Mr. Trump,... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6571 | 4 Trump cracks the Electoral College lock
A new round of state polls shows Donald Trump suddenly has a path to 270
electoral votes.
By Steven Shepard
09/15/16 07:53 PM EDT
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-electoral-college-polls-228249#ixzz4KNYBBYMW
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook
Just six weeks ago, Hillary Clinton's advantage in the Electoral College
looked insurmountable. Now, based on the latest round of public polls, it's
a different story.
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t*b
发帖数: 850 | 5 Neveda - 6 electoral vote
2004, Bush won 51% vs 48%
2008, Obama won 55% vs 43%
Two August poll show Obama leads 2-3%, no poll shows Romney lead.
Governor: Republican, elected 2010
US Senators: One Republican appointed 2011, one Democrat elected in 2010
Congressmen: 2 republicans and 1 democrats, all elected in 2010
New Hamsphire - 4 electoral vote
2004, Kerry won 50% vs 49%
2008, Obama won 54% vs 45%
Two August poll show Obama leads 3-6%, no poll shows Romney lead.
Governor: Democrat, elected 20... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6571 | 6 Democratic Senator Introduces Bill To Abolish Electoral College In Wake Of
Trump Win
Chuck Ross
2:32 PM 11/15/2016
Outgoing California Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer announced plans on Tuesday
to introduce legislation which would eliminate the Electoral College and
award the presidency based upon the popular vote.
“The Electoral College is an outdated, undemocratic system that does not
reflect our modern society, and it needs to change immediately. Every
American should be guaranteed that their v... 阅读全帖 |
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t*b
发帖数: 850 | 7 Based on August polls, Romney leads in 23 states with a total 191 electoral
votes. Obama leads in 16 states with a atotal of 196 electoral votes. Below
are the 12 swing states with 151 electoral votes (538-191-196) with their
current political elections results.
Colorado - 9 electoral vote
2004, Bush won 52% vs 47%
2008, Obama won 54% vs 45%
All major August polls show Obama leads 0-6%
Governor: Democrat, elected 2010
US Senators: both Democrats, both elected in 2008
Congressmen: 4 republicans a... 阅读全帖 |
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t*b
发帖数: 850 | 8 Assuming Obama wins Colorado, New Mexico, Neveda, Penssyvenia, New Hamsphire
, Obama gets 235 votes, need another 35 votes.
Obama also has a bigger chance to win Michigan and Wisconsin, that gives him
a total of 261 votes. Just need another 9 votes.
Romney must win Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia, only affords to
lose Iowa.
If Romney wins New Hamsphire (4 votes), he then afford to lose Virginia but
have to win Iowa.
Romney is very likely to win NC and FL.
The true battleground states are... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 9 Top spy office: Intel agencies will not brief Electoral College members on
alleged Russian interference
By TIM STARKS 12/16/16 05:44 PM EST
Spy agencies will not brief members of the Electoral College on alleged
Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential race before the Dec. 19 vote,
despite pleas from 70 electors, the Office of the Director of National
Intelligence indicated today.
"Recently, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has received
requests from Members of Congress, seve... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 10 "Based on our forecasting model, it becomes clear that the president is in
electoral trouble"
by Rick aka Mr. Brutally Honest
Let's all hope the University of Colorado streak continues:
A University of Colorado analysis of state-by-state factors leading to
the Electoral College selection of every U.S. president since 1980 forecasts
that the 2012 winner will be Mitt Romney.
The key is the economy, say political science professors Kenneth Bickers
of CU-Boulder and Michael Berry of CU Denv... 阅读全帖 |
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D**s
发帖数: 6361 | 11 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: cccpwx (Carp), 信区: USANews
标 题: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR & ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Nov 13 04:16:17 2016, 美东)
没戏看了。真是无聊，睡了睡了。
http://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-
won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change
-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/
FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.2 M )
AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)
…HEY CHANGE.ORG, SCRAP YOUR LO... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6571 | 12 WASHINGTON (AP) — A Democratic elector in Washington state said Friday he
won’t vote for Hillary Clinton even if she wins the popular vote in his
state on Election Day, adding a degree of suspense when the Electoral
College affirms the election results next month.
Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe, supported Bernie
Sanders in the Democratic primary. He said he believes Clinton is a “
criminal” who doesn’t care enough about American Indians and “she’s done
nothing but flip ... 阅读全帖 |
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t*c
发帖数: 6929 | 13 Dec 19, 2016 12:02 PM EST Pennsylvania has 20 Electoral votes. Donald Trump
won the state on Nov. 8.
Dec 19, 2016 11:49 AM EST Pennsylvania will be voting at the top of the hour.
Dec 19, 2016 11:33 AM EST The count: Donald Trump 55; Hillary Clinton 27
Dec. 19, 2016 11:32 AM EST Vermont has cast 3 votes for Hillary Clinton for
president.
Dec. 19, 2016 11:30 AM EST Oklahoma has cast 7 ballots for Donald Trump;
Arkansas has cast 6 ballots for Trump; Mississippi has cast 6 votes for
Trump; South Car... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1835 | 14 假象一下：美国就三个州，加州，德州和弗罗里达，加州49.9％的electoral，德州＋
弗罗里达50.1%得electoral，最后popular vote 人数也按这个比例，加州投了49,900,
000票，德州和FL投了 50,100,000票。
开票出来：
1）川普在加州一票没有，希拉里得49，900，000票。
2）德州＋FL川普得 25,050,001票, 希拉里得 25,049,999。
结果：川普elector 胜出，但popular vote 只有差不多 25%，希拉里输了electoral，
但 popular vote 接近 75%。 |
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发帖数: 2047 | 15 Commentary: Why Hillary will probably win
70 Comments 80 Shares Tweet Stumble Email
During the Republican convention in Cleveland, I found myself talking with a
GOP operative involved with the Trump campaign. Unprompted, he laid out two
scenarios for how this election could work out. In scenario one, Trump gets
a rather surprising, Brexit-esque surge that propels him to victory. In the
second, Trump gets wiped out, winning only the deep-red states.
That less-than-bullish assessment was h... 阅读全帖 |
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c****x
发帖数: 6601 | 16 没戏看了。真无聊，睡了睡了。
http://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-
won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change
-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/
FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.2 M )
AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)
…HEY CHANGE.ORG, SCRAP YOUR LOONY PETITION NOW!
Final #Election 2016 numbers
#Popular Vote: #Trump: 62,972,226 #Clinton: 62,277,750
#Electoral College vote #Trump 3... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2904 | 17 www.yahoo.com/news/millions-sign-petition-urging-electoral-college-to-elect-
hillary-clinton-175038196.html
Millions sign petition urging Electoral College to elect Hillary Clinton
这块有点小白，不懂这个选举人团Electoral College，他们可以随便投票吗，比如佛
州川普赢了，但是佛州的29给了对方或者按选举人自己的意志投？ |
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c****x
发帖数: 6601 | 18 没戏看了。真是无聊，睡了睡了。
http://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-
won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change
-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/
FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.2 M )
AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)
…HEY CHANGE.ORG, SCRAP YOUR LOONY PETITION NOW!
Final #Election 2016 numbers
#Popular Vote: #Trump: 62,972,226 #Clinton: 62,277,750
#Electoral College vote #Trump ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6571 | 22 索罗斯早就预测过，川普会赢得popular votes，而且是landslide，但希拉里会赢得
electoral votes。
那时如果有人要废除electoral college，希拉里肯定是打死都不会同意。 |
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发帖数: 6571 | 23 The small group plans to vote against Clinton for the simple reason of
instilling doubt in the constitutionally-enshrined institution of the
Electoral College.
——这几个人把叛变的目的搞得人尽皆知了，还能起到预期的作用？
这好比公开宣布“我要往自己身上抹屎了，目的是要让你们知道我们electors都是傻比
”。
最后，人们也只知道这六个人是傻比。 |
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b****a
发帖数: 4465 | 24 如果到时候elector按自己的想法去投票，那川普总统很可能就黄了。 |
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发帖数: 5309 | 26 号称可以防止像疮破这样的demagogue上台。历史上的确有选举人拒绝按照本州选民的
意愿投票的，但这是要冒生命危险的事，现在不会有人敢干。 所以保留electoral
college纯属反民主行为。 |
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 27 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: USANews
标 题: Protestors disrupt Wisconsin presidential electors vote
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 20 13:27:12 2016, 美东) |
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发帖数: 1939 | 28 一人一票不是目的，是手段，
是要科学决策的手段，
electoral college也是科学决策的手段， |
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k***n
发帖数: 1557 | 29 electoral college与一人一票并不矛盾。electroal college对选民来说完全是透明的。
选民拿到的选票上没有什么electroal college，只有川普希拉里桑德斯，你想选谁就
选谁。
从选民的角度来说，就是一人一票。 |
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d*****s
发帖数: 5610 | 30 http://www.270towin.com/2012_Election/interactive_map
谁拿270票谁赢总统。
2012年OBAMA拿了332个Electoral票，Romney拿下所有南方州，除了Florida，一共206
票。
共和党南方战略在南方大获全胜，但是在摇摆州全输了，FL 29票，OH 18票，VA 13票。
问题是即使Romney拿下Florida 29票，Ohio 18票，VA 13票，总共还是只有266票，还
是要输。除非再拿下NM 5票。这也太紧张了。
Obama是竞选牛人，但是也反应了美国人口结构变化，拉美人上升。
所以GOP大佬必须对拉美人示好，南方战略必须调整。但是TRUMP的反非法移民一下子打
乱了GOP部署，并且TRUMP不可能赢东西海岸，10有89还是会输。
所以大佬必须反对Trump |
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d*****s
发帖数: 5610 | 31 是，大佬信息很多。Trump肯定赢不了东西2岸。Virginia都和Rubio打的这么累，还输
了MN，说明在东岸和big ten不吃香，怎么赢Electoral college?
选举人票拿不了270，还竞选什么？ |
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发帖数: 6571 | 36 这是敢公开明说的，还有些不吭声的，不等于就会投希拉里。
不管popular选票多少，最终都是electors的票算数。 |
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h*******n
发帖数: 8906 | 37 Political Polls鈥@PpollingNumbers
Final @trfgrp Electoral Map
(270 EV Needed):
Trump 306
Clinton 232 |
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发帖数: 569 | 38 Trump can still be stopped. The Founding Fathers foresaw just this
catastrophe, and built a fail-safe into the Constitution. It’s called the
Electoral College. Alexander Hamilton was explicit: this mechanism was
designed to ensure that “the office of president will never fall to the lot
of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite
qualifications.” In short, it was designed to prevent just this situation:
the rise of an unqualified demagogue like Donald Trump.
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i**y
发帖数: 1170 | 41 Reid废了filibuster，结果大家看到了
Boxer要是废了electoral，嘿嘿
Tuesday |
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发帖数: 1814 | 42 还有一个很重要的理由
electoral college 防作弊
当一个州一党独大的时候作弊容易，现在的情况是作弊都没用 |
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发帖数: 3877 | 44 恩，废除electoral college的后果的确不容乐观，到时候NH、罗德岛这类不被重视的
小地方，人口流失必然加速，美国人挤破头要去纽约、加州这类人口大州。 |
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发帖数: 786 | 45 Proportional electoral college 是不是好一些？
[在 tnc (long shot) 的大作中提到：]
:两党议员都有人提了各种议案，
:但由于选举人票是联邦制的基础，
:绝大部分这类提案都没能进入
:表决阶段。
:每次如果有哪个党候选人赢了
:普选票而输了选举人票，该党
:都有议员会提案，但基本上是
:表达一下情绪而已。
:选举制度是预设的规则，竞选
:方向组织也是围绕这个规则进行，
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发帖数: 6929 | 46 现在的制度就是这样的
: Proportional electoral college 是不是好一些？
: [在 tnc (long shot) 的大作中提到：]
: :两党议员都有人提了各种议案，
: :但由于选举人票是联邦制的基础，
: :绝大部分这类提案都没能进入
: :表决阶段。
: :每次如果有哪个党候选人赢了
: :普选票而输了选举人票，该党
: :都有议员会提案，但基本上是
: :表达一下情绪而已。
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D*******r
发帖数: 2323 | 47 其实，是这六个electors想投川普的票，但是又怕被他们说在的州的选民打，所以想出
这么奇葩的方法来，即投了川普的票，又可以对蓝州稀粉说，我们这其实是想帮希拉里。
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t**g
发帖数: 3107 | 49 下一步:
一月19号马桶宣布: 拒绝撤离白宫!!!!
你们爱咋办就咋办! 马桶就是不走!
发信人: Scania88 (Scania88), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 到现在为止，所有elector vote顺利进行，还没有一个意
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 19 12:34:30 2016, 美东)
下一步就是一月20号阻止川普抵达华盛顿了。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 50 哈哈，庆祝Trump赢了Electoral Votes 304
God Bless Trump~~
God Bless America!! |
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