m******1
发帖数: 715 | 1 To make it more fun to watch, anyone want to put some side bet on this?
1. Dwan vs Benyamine
2. Dwan vs Antonius
3. Dwan vs Ivey.
I would bet Dwan won the first and the second.
The 3rd one will be hard to say. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 2 Tom Dwan challenge looks to get underway soon
February 13th, 2009
The challenge issued by Tom Dwan to everyone (except for Phil Galfond) looks
to be almost underway, as FTP has set up a series of special heads up
tables titled ‘durrrr Challenge’ 1-4. One seat is reserved for Dwan, and
it’s expected play will begin shortly at the 200/400 PLO tables.
For those of you unfamiliar, here’s the text of the challenge issued by
Dwan a few weeks ago:
“I’m making this heads-up challenge to the world. A |
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m*z
发帖数: 2356 | 3 Matt Savage told today at 2+2 poker forum about the huge cash games that are currently being played at APT Macau. Savage tells that the game has been No-Limit Hold'em with blinds of ~$650/$1300, and today they will double the blinds.
The game has featured players like Tom "durrrr" Dwan, Phil Ivey, Chau "La Key U" Giang and John Juanda playing with Chinese businessman:
"Despite the light turnout at the Asian Poker Tour Macau the cash games are some of the biggest in history as Tom Dwan, Phil Ivey... 阅读全帖 |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 4 To make it more fun to watch, anyone want to put some side bet on this?
1. Dwan vs Benyamine
2. Dwan vs Antonius
3. Dwan vs Ivey.
I would bet Dwan won the first and the second.
The 3rd one will be hard to say. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 5 Tom Dwan challenge looks to get underway soon
February 13th, 2009
The challenge issued by Tom Dwan to everyone (except for Phil Galfond) looks
to be almost underway, as FTP has set up a series of special heads up
tables titled ‘durrrr Challenge’ 1-4. One seat is reserved for Dwan, and
it’s expected play will begin shortly at the 200/400 PLO tables.
For those of you unfamiliar, here’s the text of the challenge issued by
Dwan a few weeks ago:
“I’m making this heads-up challenge to the world. A |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 6 Ivey, Benyamine and Antonius accept Dwan’s $1 million challenge
January 7th, 2009
Nothing starts off the year on the right foot quite like a ridiculous
challenge for tons of money issued by one awesome poker player and accepted
by a handful of other, awesome poker players. That’s pretty much the
situation that’s unfolding between Tom “Durrr” Dwan and a group of
nosebleed pros that includes Phil Ivey.
Here’s the text of Dwan’s official challenge, open to any takers:
“I’m making this heads-up |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 7 Ivey, Benyamine and Antonius accept Dwan’s $1 million challenge
January 7th, 2009
Nothing starts off the year on the right foot quite like a ridiculous
challenge for tons of money issued by one awesome poker player and accepted
by a handful of other, awesome poker players. That’s pretty much the
situation that’s unfolding between Tom “Durrr” Dwan and a group of
nosebleed pros that includes Phil Ivey.
Here’s the text of Dwan’s official challenge, open to any takers:
“I’m making this heads-up |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 8 OK, we have a 4$ pot here (each player bet 2$):
Dwan vs Antonius
If Dwan win, Max won the pot.
If Antonius won, fryking won the pot.
Deal? |
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发帖数: 1621 | 9 Weekend headed to Casino, they gave away blenders to selected customers and
I was selected (hint: VIP, long term loyal customers, and suckers). A brand
new blender? Weeee... Sweet. LP had no reason to stop me now but letting me
go. I am piking up her Kitchen ware, for Gods sake.
Of course, there might be poker. Nowadays I played a lot NL 1/2, very few 2/
5 because I am afraid of swing, and no time to get back because I don't play
long session.
Anyway, sitting down at a typical 1/2 table, a lot o... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 It has been proven that it is not true for 本版主。 when I try to be Tom
Dwan, I run like Tom Dwan too~
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Merge $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -
Hero (BB): $151.61
UTG: $68.44
UTG+1: $98.50
MP1: $100.00
MP2: $100.00
CO: $202.59
BTN: $95.34
SB: $100.93
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 9d 8h
5 folds, BTN raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, Hero raises to $13.50, 1 fold, SB
calls $10.50
Flop: ($30.00) Th 6h 7c (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18.00, SB calls $... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1621 | 11 我原来在 villian 眼中是这么的 weak，不知道我的 Holdem Manager 数据是什么，已
经很久不用那玩意了。
前天才千年等一次的 Stone cold bluff 了一回，今天马上遭报应，被 Tom Dwan 了无
数次。一次又一次的被 stone cold all-in bluff.
哥只好也 Tom Dwan 上身，一次又一次的用 hero call 来回报。
In DAT zone.
Hand#3454019639000128 - Chelsea (6-Max) 19639 -- $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em -- 2013
/09/18 - 21:43:19
Dealer: Seat 3
Seat 2: Beepervibes3 ($112.34 in chips)
Seat 3: ENIGMISTA91 ($93.16 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($68.02 in chips)
Seat 9: chetlvsjuice ($100 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.50
chetlvs... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 12 如果raise，你觉得应该raise多大呢？
对方check flop, call turn, raise river,这个在高级别很有可能是turn made hand
into bluff。比如是dwan这样的weak J或者是flop 了一个second pair之类的，或者是
小pocket pair。
考虑到ziggman是OOP的，他的hand range比dwan强很多。这个时候要让他fold是很难的。
pairs |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 13 OK, we have a 4$ pot here (each player bet 2$):
Dwan vs Antonius
If Dwan win, Max won the pot.
If Antonius won, fryking won the pot.
Deal? |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 14 根据我的预测,dwan应该能赢2局,当然发挥强了3局都胜也不在意料之外,如果有余运气
或者外界的因素的干扰,只赢了1局或者全败大家也不要太过吃惊 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 why not? bad luck to dwan! lol. |
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m*z
发帖数: 2356 | 16 The action at Macau is getting more and more intense by the hour, and today Tom "durrrr" Dwan will face a local player in an epic Heads-Up match. "Tom Hall" at 2+2 tells, that the local player is bringing $2,6M - $3,9M (HK$20-30M) with him.
Here is more information:
"Morning from Asia - Update from Winfred from the Poker King Room at
Starworld for you all.
'Game was regulars only last night (plus Uncle Chau Giang) and usual Asian visitors with Phil and Durrr getting some sleep. Visitors dropped ... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 俺咋有种感觉durrrr这回要让澳门黑社会算计了呢？
即使不出老千，就他那几百万的roll，保不准就给一个浪头废了，呵呵。
today Tom "durrrr" Dwan will face a local player in an epic Heads-Up match.
"Tom Hall" at 2+2 tells, that the local player is bringing $2,6M - $3,9M (HK
$20-30M) with him.
visitors with Phil and Durrr getting some sleep. Visitors dropped HK$30m
last night, regulars won most of it with Chau picking up a nice win too.
Second table played a mix of 100/200 limit and 200/400 no limit with jeff
Lisandro, Ted Forrest amongst the players.'
5... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 In all seriousness, Dwan would have reshoved on the flop, got tanked called
by MP and won the side pot......
More importantly, how is the blender???
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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发帖数: 1621 | 19 切，Make a move, flop nuts and paid off by Donk 早就 out 了。要当 Tom Dwan
就要 OOP, fire turn, call raise and stone cold bluff at river, STONE COLD!!!
有木有
Hand#3453019810000065 - Chelsea (6-Max) 19810 -- $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em -- 2013
/09/17 - 20:39:32
Dealer: Seat 3
Seat 1: xingqing ($28 in chips)
Seat 2: *AceHigh* ($128.03 in chips)
Seat 3: JoeyKnish22 ($138.96 in chips)
Seat 8: maloku ($166.51 in chips)
Seat 9: SEMIDIO ($164.84 in chips)
Seat 10: Hero ($153.61 in chips)
maloku: posts small blind $0.50
SE... 阅读全帖 |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 20 你这个call的水平不是tom dwan,是phil Galfond啊，尤其第一把。
2013 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 22 我觉得ziggman的river bet是thin value。他的image一直很aggressive，希望dwan
call with second pair之类的牌。
min-raise他肯定不会fold，big raise的话不知道会有什么效果 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 23 我不觉得是block，Ax的可能性很小。如果真是Ax,这里也是two pair for value。
至于说会不会fold to raise，这个不清楚。Dwan其实represent不了什么牌，所以我估
计得raise很大才有机会 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 24 根据我的预测,dwan应该能赢2局,当然发挥强了3局都胜也不在意料之外,如果有余运气
或者外界的因素的干扰,只赢了1局或者全败大家也不要太过吃惊 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 why not? bad luck to dwan! lol. |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 26
has
I think you're talking about the hand Barry Greenstein 9J vs Dwan AA. I just
watched that video on youtube. Dwan said to dealer,"You can deal whatever
he (Barry) wants." He was ahead already. Barry had only pair jack on the
flop and Dwan had AA. They went all in on the flop. However, Berry said he
only wanted to deal once. He then sucked out on Dwan with a 9 on the turn.
Dwan took it very well. He did not say anything. By the way, even the
commentators knows that Barry is an one time guy. H... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 975 | 27 晚上家里太热睡不着，就随便逛逛2+2，感觉最近2+2水平下降了不少。small stake讨
论区以前常见的鞭辟入里的分析现在几乎看不见。有个帖子问新人玩cash game应该看
点什么书。然后有人回复说像Doyle Brunson的书的tight aggressive是old game了，
已经过时了云云。然后我就回复了“呵呵”
我一直觉得像Johnny Chen和Doyle Brunson现在仍旧是最好的牌手。不管是tournament
还是cash game能打赢他们的没几个。看high stake poker里面Brunson几乎每季都赢钱
。Chen在第七季OOP的情况下照样打爆Galfond。现在风头最劲的几个人当中能和他们相
提并论的也就Ivey和Isildur。像Dwan 和 patric antonius 的tournament严重短板，
至于negreanu和hellmuth的cash game就是搞笑。（如果让Dr. Giggy或者leatherass和
Negreanu玩cash game的话，前两个人应该会赢得非常轻松。）即使是Dwan和Galfond对
Br... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 28 Tom Dwan是cash game牌手。
Phill是锦标赛牌手。是世界上WSOP金手链获得次数最多的牌手。
两人在自己的专项上成绩都是顶尖的。而在对方专项上实力都不怎么样。
这场比赛中两人的矛盾实际上体现了两种game之间的差别。
作为cash game牌手，Dwan并不在乎一次两次失利，因为cash game他可以重复买进。只
要他最后总的算是赢的就行。
Phill是锦标赛牌手。如果比赛里一手全进，失利的话，整个比赛就被淘汰了。所以
Phill比较慎重。而Dwan说，我又不是只玩一手。可是当时他两玩的是比赛，所以Dwan
确实是只玩一手。一手输了就会被淘汰。
从这一点来看，Phill更有道理。 |
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d*****o
发帖数: 2868 | 29 i felt like ivey should have pushed after the flop, when dwan bet it, he
should raise and see what dwan does, he had a big flush draw and a straight
draw as well. Dwan made a continuation bet after the flop, simly trying to
convince ivey that he has a big hand like pocket aces or hit the set. B/c
the river was a blank, therefore dwan thought it was safe to fire another
barrel at ivey. |
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发帖数: 1169 | 30 http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/13631-mikhail-smirnov-muck
Phil Galfond just witnessed the unthinkable.
“I’ve never seen a fold like that, absolutely not,” the cash game pro
said.
At around 5 p.m. local time during the fourth blind level, Galfond was
present to see his table mate in the $1 million buy-in WSOP event, Russian
semi-pro Mikhail Smirnov, fold quads on the river to an all-in bet.
According to Smirnov, the action started with Tom Dwan opening to 32,000.
Smirnov called from the sma... 阅读全帖 |
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d******u
发帖数: 385 | 31 上周末去las vegas 观摩了main event. 不错的经历，其中tom dwan很有意思，很晚了
已经是level 3了大概，居然还没找到位置，和floor man不停地交流。然后我走过一个
桌子，一个sam大叔(tom dwan对面那个，6 wsop bracelet winner)对着大家说：this
seat is for tom dwan, he hasn't showed up yet. but he got more chips than me.
然后不久tom dwan就坐下来了，我看他打了3手牌，chip一下子就降下去了。
hand 1: As7do raised to 800 at cutoff, called by BB
flop: 8sThJh check, check,
turn: Ks SB lead out 800 and called by Tom
river: Qh: river checked by SB, Tom bet 2000 and raised to 4200 by SB.
Tom called and SB showed A3o,... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 32 今天说一下我看过的几本口碑非常好但是个人感觉用处不大的书。（大概是我的打开方
式不对吧……）
第一本是ed miller 的《Professional No-Limit Hold 'em: Volume I》。 应该说这
本书的出发点还是很有意思的。作者试图用stack to pot ratio（SPR）来处理poker当
中的各种可能的situation。这是这本书的特点，也是这本书没什么用的原因……现实
的情况比简单的SPR复杂的多，感兴趣的可以看Bill Chen的《The Mathematics of
Poker》。另外让我比较无语的是很多和stack size有关的interesting and
fundamentally important的concepts在这本号称专讲stack size的书里面居然完全没
有涉及。这个就是不能容忍的了。比如说100bb effective stack size， 为什么3bb
open 比5bb 或者2bb open要好。为什么3bet size是一般是10bb，4bet size一般是
20bb。如果对手open 5bb 或者 2bb... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2356 | 33 Tom "durrrr" Dwan has started today his big Heads-Up match at Macau, and according to poker room manager of the StarWorld Casino, Stella Yeh, he has been playing against "a guy from Shanghai" ~$4000/$8000 NL Hold'em heads-up.
Few big pots from the game (update from Stella Yeh):
"Hi All,
So as someone has posted earlier, everyone is already aware that durrrr's been playing heads up with a guy from Shanghai for over 12+ hours already. 30k-60k HKD NL . As I've said already I cannot mention who's wi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2063 | 34 史上最伟大的扑克玩家TOM DWAN和IVEY在到达澳门后，立刻和中国本地的富豪开始在澳
门最大的现金桌进行游戏，开始的盲住是5000/10000，之后很快升级到10000/20000。
中国的富豪们在为IVEY贡献了几百万，为DURRRRR贡献了2000万之后，情绪基本稳定，
而两位传奇人物也带着盈利满意的离开。
因为富豪们坚持只和名流玩（即只给名流们送钱）的原则，所以澳门本地的REG这次没
怎么分到油水。
IVEY和DWAN以APT的名义来到澳门，其实真正意图就是这个极品大现金桌。 IVEY在APT
上迅速输掉比赛，而DWAN虽然进入了第二天的比赛，但他离席去玩现金，嘱托朋友还有
20个BB的时候喊他，他来推了就了事。
桌上其他几个高手的盈利不详，但无疑，DURRRR轻松赚取的2000万使他成为最大的赢家
。同时，2+2上人声鼎沸，很多REG表示，很希望可以去澳赢这帮肥鱼的钱。 而DURRRR
在此行之后也爱上了澳门，毕竟，满地捡钱的好差事没人会拒绝 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 35
这我倒完全不同意。不是每个人都像你这么result oriented.有点仁慈倒也看出人性光
辉的一面。在说也不是每个人玩POKER都是纯粹为了赢钱的，有的人就是当作娱乐消遣
，也没什么不好。我去玩是为了赢钱，但有时我看到一个人一直输的时候，我也会在
RIVER上CHECK我的NUTS。 就像这段时间看High Stake Poker，每次ALL IN 几十万的时
候，那个概率低的人老是会问另一个愿不愿意RUN TWICE，大部分人都说可以。特别是
DWAN，每次ALL IN 他都明显占优势，但别人要问他RUN TWICE甚至3 OR 4 TIMES，他都
答应，最后也让很多人平分了POT而没有GO BROKE，但PHIL IVEY就从来只RUN一次，没
人情可讲，以前很喜欢他，但现在觉得他虽然是最好的POKER PLAYER，但也只有这点让
我佩服而已。倒是DWAN，越来越觉得他人很好，玩得也很不错，不是完完全全的赌徒型
。还有，你要真玩得好，即使有时照顾一下别人，也不会影响你的战果到哪里去。HSP
上DWAN 还是赢了很多钱，没比IVEY差。 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 36 黄晓明就算了吧，总觉得他很做作，爱耍酷，和唐国强这种实力派的没法比。
我没点开link，但我知道你在说哪手牌。那手牌我觉得主要是Dwan对PeterEastgate 太
了解了，换作是Phil Ivey，他是死都不会FOLD的，估计他会RERAISE一下来搞清楚DWAN
是不是真有牌，但PeterEastgate从来就比较保守。只能说是对的BLUFF遇上对的人。
Barry folded也是因为他后面有Peter, Peter folded 是因为他知道他要call了Dwan
的TURN BET,那估计他也得CALL他的RIVER SHOVE，他也不想把自己整个STACK都搭在那
手牌里。这种BLUFF在这种HIGH LEVEL的GAME里很容易成功，但在1－2NL 或 1－3NL就
没什么作用。有一次我知道对方是KK 或 AA，heads up. FLOP我CHECK, 他BET 15， 我
CALL。TURN马上就来了第三张方块，我CHECK，他继续BET，我RAISE 他到100，他想半
天，CALL了。他是AA，但也没方块，不知道他到底CALL什么，如果不认为我有FLUSH，
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发帖数: 4158 | 37 看到了
In the middle levels on Day 1 of the Big One for One Drop, Mikhail Smirnov f
olded quads eights face up to John Morgan. The hand has been hotly debated,
with many saying it was either the best lay down in history or the worst. He
re’s the situation as reported in the live blog:
Catching up with Eugene Katchalov on the break to grab a summary of the hand
, he said Mikhail Smirnov did indeed fold quad eights to John Morgan. Katcha
lov told us that Tom Dwan had opened and received a call from S... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 38 顺便说一下，这次在拉斯维加斯看到tom dwan了，很想过去和他说话，不过还是不好意
思。他就在我们那个area站着，还和上海来的几个中国人很熟，他们经常一起在澳门打
牌，那几个中国人当时在玩25-50NL，玩得很疯狂，都是拿着ace high river 直接打一
万刀bluff，然后竟然被人call了，然后他想着他死定了，谁知他打ace jack high竟然
是大的。我在旁边看着笑死了。board was 86553. 我在他们旁边玩10/20，所以一有大
锅我都凑过去看。tom dwan没玩，只是过来看几个朋友，当时实在是不好意思，因为好
像大家都没把他明星样的，我激动是因为我崇拜他觉得他真的打得很好.wsop时在poker
kitchen里看到phil hellmuth, shaun deeb, and doyle brunson三个人在一起聊天也
没啥感觉，继续吃俺的饭。但tom dwan还是不一样。下次见到他一定上去和他聊。 |
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发帖数: 1057 | 39 小弟一直超级喜欢Tom Dwan，喜欢这场比赛有几个原因：
1.讨厌Phill，赢了总是耀武扬威，输掉以后总是嘟嘟囔囔的，不爷们不爽快。看他这
次被打脸很开心。
2.从头到尾都很喜欢这局Dwan的表情（平时偶尔也会在模仿他的微笑），你想我输，可
我就是赢了。
3.还在上学时，有个暑假在vegas，小弟也拿到一对10的时候在想会不会按视频重演，
对面正好一对A跟着all in。没开那5张牌之前我就感觉到自己赢定了，哈哈。。。最后
收了1600刀，第二天买了张机票回国。
没事总会翻出来这段视频看，小弟总觉得里面有许多东西需要学习。
赢了是运气，输了要服气。嚣张蔑视的态度总不会有好的下场。当你相信自己运气超好
的时候，这个世界总会给你你期待的奇迹。
这个视频小弟我从来没跟朋友分享过，昨天的帖子太热了，今天再发一个玩玩，大家看
看图个乐，牌局很精彩，对话更精彩。
PS：今晚有人去现场看黄西的脱口秀么？哈哈，我也在哦～
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-hz4HRcbzM |
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G****a
发帖数: 10208 | 40 1、从戴金链子转成戴佛珠
宗教已经成为中国富人的安定剂。去年一项针对中国最富有人群的调查显示，这些人中
信教者的比例高达50%，其中三分之一宣称信仰佛教。
2、从汉人变成藏人
西藏是一个永远不缺少神话的地方。在这个雪山林立的高原圣地，先人们为了解释自然
界的神秘，创造出了诸多神话；如今越来越多的藏族人也在创造着财富神话。
3、从喝白酒转成喝红酒
法国很多著名酒庄期酒品尝会上，近年大批中国人纷至沓来，即使是每箱一万欧元的高
价，也被中国买家包揽囊内。即便酒庄大提价，红酒价格涨到史无前例的高度，依然被
中国买家抢购一空。
4、从西装领带转成中衫布鞋
中国富人开始回归传统，讲究返璞归真。马玉、宗庆后、李连杰等都是圈内热衷穿布鞋
的人。在浙江富豪圈，据说大家都是开奔驰宝马、穿几十快钱的布鞋；拎着一个名牌包
，脚蹬一双布鞋，已经成为了富人的时尚。
5、从搓麻将转成打德州扑克
根据媒体报道，去年史上最伟大的扑克玩家TOM DWAN和IVEY进行了澳门一日游。他们到
达澳门后，立刻和中国本地富豪在澳门最大的现金桌进行游戏，中国的富豪们为IVEY贡
献了数百万，为TOM DWAN贡献了2000万之后，... 阅读全帖 |
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b**********5
发帖数: 7881 | 41 【 以下文字转载自 Stock 讨论区 】
发信人: oopsazure (Ian), 信区: Stock
标 题: 分享一场我最喜欢的扑克比赛
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Sep 14 12:57:51 2014, 美东)
小弟一直超级喜欢Tom Dwan，喜欢这场比赛有几个原因：
1.讨厌Phill，赢了总是耀武扬威，输掉以后总是嘟嘟囔囔的，不爷们不爽快。看他这
次被打脸很开心。
2.从头到尾都很喜欢这局Dwan的表情（平时偶尔也会在模仿他的微笑），你想我输，可
我就是赢了。
3.还在上学时，有个暑假在vegas，小弟也拿到一对10的时候在想会不会按视频重演，
对面正好一对A跟着all in。没开那5张牌之前我就感觉到自己赢定了，哈哈。。。最后
收了1600刀，第二天买了张机票回国。
没事总会翻出来这段视频看，小弟总觉得里面有许多东西需要学习。
赢了是运气，输了要服气。嚣张蔑视的态度总不会有好的下场。当你相信自己运气超好
的时候，这个世界总会给你你期待的奇迹。
这个视频小弟我从来没跟朋友分享过，昨天的帖子太热了，今天再发一个玩玩，大家看
看图个乐，牌局很精彩，对话更精... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 嗯，你说的这个剑和俺想的例子一模一样，比如杨过，从重剑到无剑，你不能只看到他
没拿剑，就得出结论我拿了利剑就能搞定他。殊不知别人已经早经过了这么一个轮回，
知道的东西，经历的战局比你多得多。
就像A7 vs KQ这把牌一样，你从外面咋一看，很容易靠“直觉”经验论得出两个白痴的
结论，其实也许不然，脱离当时情况(2个人正好在同一时刻都打的同一把算盘)，和上
下文(两个人整体风格如何，这样玩这种牌有多大几率)，和外部环境(什么样风格的比
赛，6-max, HU, 9/10，什么样筹码...)
tom dwan这把也是，只看这把牌，有人在comments里面写了，纯靠运气啊！可也有人马
上回了，tom dwan出道不过几年时间，从micro games玩起，一直以aggressive猛进，
积累到几百万身家，换个人运气一把，N把，N万把，来看看？
看牌不能脱离环境，你也许永远不会这么玩A7，你也许永远认为这么玩都是错的，可是
你不能否认有人能玩得很成功，区别只在于怎么玩，什么时候玩，doyle的favorite
hands还是T2o呢，虽然他写super system那么严谨。
aggres |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 43 看了几辑，感觉其他人在nosebleeding cash game这一level明显差一截，这手牌就挺
有意思的。preflop那些open raise/limp的，除了Ivey没有一个敢call Dwan的3-bet。
而Ivey和Dwan在preflop call 3-bet的几率就很大，不太在意手里的牌，有那种靠post
flop定胜负的勇气。
这手牌如果Ivey在flop上raise可能比较好，但实战那种结果也不能说玩错了。虽说
durrr sense到Ivey的range里应该没有很强的牌，但那种3 barrel的勇气实在令人钦佩
。他的river bet差不多是60% pot，绝对值更吓人，比起那个Elezra在Poker after
dark曾经做过的一个3 street bluff要牛多了（Elezra flop check-raise, turn bet,
最后river只敢bet了1/4还是1/5的pot，被durrr用底对一对3接下来了）。 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 44 If he really cared about the players he would pledge to return every cent of
the TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars he’s made from Full Tilt to the players as
Tom Dwan (who is not a owner) has done.
Tom Dwan 干了什么？？ |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 45 主要是这段时间看了很多HSP，觉得Dwan真的是打得太好了，个人认为他应该是CASH
GAME里打得最好的。HSP 他总共赢了快2百万了，DANIEL输了2百多万。还有就是从电视
上观察他人很好，没IVEY这么高傲冷酷，而且有时IVEY输了还会发脾气，很少看DWAN输
了那样，感觉他很平易近人。
拿了straight在那种board是有危险，但我还是会call the flop, turn怎么打就要看拿
SET的那个人怎么ACT再说。 个人看法而已，没什么一定对或错的，不像某些人，别人
一有不同意见就上纲上线，太有失风度了。
P.S.不是在说你哦。
draw
his
bottom
turn
to
with
while |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 46 他是天才。其实DWAN也用9 HIGH在HSPCALL了DANIEL的2万多的 RIVER BET，那个BOARD
几乎和当年STU CALL别人的一模一样 3 3 7 K Q，不过他CALL错了，DANIEL有个K。能
call别人的BLUFF一定要求自己相信自己的判断，不second guess yourself.Stu玩牌时
应该是对自己非常有信心的那种。唉，他要还在就好，可以看看他和 Ivey, Dwan玩牌
是什么样子。 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 47 周末打牌刚回来，打的像一坨屎。我是 fish 中的 fish。给一帮 AC 老流氓玩死。4
个小时在 NL 1/2 输了 600 百。结果回程巴士也不坐了，被迫硬蹲了另外 8 小时，第
二天下午总算扳回来再加 40。结果是用了 18 小时时间赢 40。我现在拒绝计算我的赢
率。呵呵。
回到这个 online 的话题。我很高兴看到 wmwmw 跟我也一样的感觉，PS & FTP 妖牌和
冤家牌太多了一些，总算我在这班上不是唯一感觉器官不正常的老鸟。
我 PS & FTP 总有几十多万手。Lock 打到现在接近 8 万手，还真没有碰到 FTP & PS
这种 bad beat， cooler 搞到我毛的情况。Fryking 一向是站在 online poker 纯净
派的这一边，认为一切的一切只是因为 online poker 发牌快，手数多的结果。我就没
有这么纯洁了，我认为有人，涉及到钱的地方就有江湖。Stock Market 有 SEC 这么大
一个机构管着，House 作弊的还是层出不穷。Bernie Madoff 在没有被 bust 之前是
30 多年的金字招牌，Chairman... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 48 UB的superuser最初被发现和Dwan是无关的。Dwan虽然也是受害者之一，但是如果最初
那个superuser没有被发现，其他人根本想不到去查hand history。
最初被爆出来是一个superuser连赢一个牌手多次，而且吹牛说想赢他几次就赢他几次
。100%能赢他。然后这个牌手去查superuser的战绩，发现他都是赢，而且很短时间内
赢了很多钱，才爆出来。
从那以后，当其他牌手遇到不寻常的对手，才晓得去查对手战绩，hand history。
你可以去2+2考古。我是从揭发贴一出来就追踪的。 |
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B*******4
发帖数: 1438 | 49 根据媒体报道，去年史上最伟大的扑克玩家TOM DWAN和IVEY进行了澳门一日游。他们到
达澳门后，立刻和中国本地富豪在澳门最大的现金桌进行游戏，中国的富豪们为IVEY贡
献了数百万，为TOM DWAN贡献了2000万之后，情绪基本稳定，而两位传奇人物也带着盈
利满意地离开。 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 50 Gus 真是天才型的. And the 23 yr old internet kid Durr Dwan is the next Gus.
Couldn't wait till Durr Dwan writes his book. He was unbelieveble at the
latest poker after dark cash game. super aggressive is really the way to
go along with talent and fabulous skills. And he had no problem at all to
move from internet to live games. He was eating all the pros alive. I'm a
fan already.
watching that game series, it seems that small ball doesn't work too well
with super aggressive opponents. Durr |
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