p******a 发帖数: 975 | 1 It's very naive for us to judge Isildur, who is considered as one of the
best by Dwan and Galfond. But if he also select opponents strictly, and only
playing with fish on PS, I think he is still grinding NL100 now, and of
course, "keeps his winning".
Reality is, this "bad poker player who can't keep his winning" has already
made over 4m this year. Maybe that's not a lot money to you, but I think
most likely that's more than I can make from my poker life.
take |
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s*******e 发帖数: 64 | 2 DWAN同学,最近又在澳门把那次赢的2000万输回去了。真是个对中国礼尚往来的好孩子 |
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g******n 发帖数: 53185 | 3 澳门这种地方黑社会横行,会不会偷偷装摄像头看DWAN的牌? 俗话说远嫖近赌,一个美
国小屁孩去亚洲赌博赚钱,很天真。 |
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M********g 发帖数: 717 | 4 这个我觉得poker和所有运动都是一样的,口号都是挑战最强,事实上呢,碰到奖金奖
杯,都是尽可能找鱼当对手的。所有的比绝对时间、距离的,那是没办法,其他对抗类
的,谁不追求个分组,避开强手?至少省下体能吧。号称挑战最强,是因为大奖赛上面
最强的对手很难避开,所以气势上不能弱了而已。 poker的好处是总有鱼在低级别来给
你送钱。 不过你要追求高hourly rate,还是要往高级别走。哪怕是tom dwan这种亚洲
捕鱼的套路,也要先把自己名声搞出来,还是要先干翻一些高手。 |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 5 he was chatting with his buddy outside last night and i overheard their
conversation.
he mentioned a lot of names quickly, tom (guess dwan?), phil (G?), ... in
some high stake games recently, and if i didn't get it wrong, he also talked
about a lot of his opponents may be big winners in private games, but are
actually fish here in MDL.
last night i could only recognize him, all other 4 were mid-age "average"
guys, who you won't think would play at this nose bleeding level outside
a poker room. |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 6 MD的扑克名人怎么也赶不上NJ啊。 tom Dwan + Phil Ivey 就打遍天下了。
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 7 不知道你这人讲话为什么老是这么难听和尖酸?什么在我眼里不过尔尔?PH说他最厉害
他就是最厉害了?PH还觉得tom dwan打得很烂呢。再说他自己cash game就玩得一塌糊
涂,high stakes poker上他被打得那么惨。我管这个什么morternsen是真厉害还是假
厉害,反正这个summer我和他玩得几次没看出他哪里玩得好,典型的loose aggressive
的打法,而且喜欢chase。他赢了那么多大型tournament,什么wsopme, wpt,要cash
game 那么厉害应该还是在玩100/200 或至少25/100NL吧?还玩什么5/10啊?那次他
flush draw和别人all in,pot 也就几千块,他还很胆战心惊的问我朋友可不可以run
twice,所以估计他现在也没剩很多钱吧。还好他运气好这次main event又拿了个第10
名,bankroll上又来个大boost. 而且main event他应该早出局,无数次all in都是way
behind然后got lucky and doubled up。 |
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 8 Overbet is very very very powerful, yet rarely seen in low stakes games.
If you watch the videos of top NLHM players, Dwan, isildur,Ivey, Galphond,
Ziigmund, they overbet a lot.
on
river?)
need |
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 9 This really depends on your postflop skill.
Dwan will call 3b OOP with 8Ts, Isildur will call with 8To, I will probably
fold AQo |
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 10 The biggest leak of small stakes players is that they watch too much high
stakes poker.
I played this hand about an hour ago.
Fold to button, who is a winning reg steal about 60% at button. He folds to
3bet about 54%, i.e, he calls with a lot of trash and tries to outplay his
opponents with position. He is a very good player in this level. But his
range is just so weak.
I was SB with TcQc. I 3bet for value. BB folded, Button called.
Flop came 8c Jd 3c. I cbet 2/3 pot, planning to shove against a... 阅读全帖 |
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R******p 发帖数: 35 | 11 I think you are right about it. I just watch a interview with Tom Dwan. He
got 300k refund and said that there was only one time while he was playing
at Ultimate Bet that he thought something was likely going on.
Since Galfond only got 100k refund and how high they were actually playing,
he might be lucky to not playing that superuser that many times. I'm not
surprising if he was one victim and not realizing it. I wouldn't think he
need to lie about it. |
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l*****r 发帖数: 2123 | 12 Thank you for your post.
His situation is more complicated than mine. 我的对手是个老头。called flop
raise, check check turn. 我确信他没有flush. 要是个厉害的角色我肯定输。
象我这种半老头子,技术也不行, 只能猥琐地和老老头子对干, 现在我觉得选桌子和
位置第一重要,50%, 技术30% 运气20%。 一上桌子,先找dealer要seat change
button, 然后找谁是 “TOM Dwan”, 想方设法猥琐地坐在“TOM”的后面, 最好间隔
1-2个位子。 TOM 同学前面筹码堆积如山,只要找到机会从他身上 double up一次就
hit and run.
TAG
EP
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 13 要成为pro 还有个办法就是空手套白狼, 找人stake。 让别人出钱越级打,赢了白拿
钱, 输了别人顶。这样玩, 无破产风险, 是大大正ev, 前途无量。关键要找准冤大
头。。。
据说Dwan 不久前澳门破产后就利用名气这样搞。
ego
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 14 可以省下这个call去参加WSOP main event了 呵呵 |
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m*****g 发帖数: 3029 | 16 it is actually an easy fold.
I would fold too. |
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y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 17 easy fold.
do not be a station. You will throw a ton of money away if calling river bet
too liberally. |
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a**o 发帖数: 730 | 18 说easy fold的,能不能具体说说,你的依据是什么?你怎么判断对方是什么样的牌的?
bet |
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m*****g 发帖数: 3029 | 19 flop有2个8和一个j
tom有2对,jj和88。这个不大,能beat him的很多,有full house, top pair, set of
8,他在flop和turn之后都不bet就是这个原因。tom认为他的牌有可能不够大。
tom的对手是以slow play and set up trap闻名的。
再说river出了一个a。a high也能大过tom了。对手在river之后不能check,因为他是
kk,
bet size 不能太小,小的话对手bluff reraise他就没办法应对了,要大一点,
以此来represent he has at least A high or a set of 8。
tom已经知道了对手有牌,但牌不是最强一等的的boat,是次一等的牌,但他的牌还是比
不过
次一等的牌,所以在fold前说了那些话。 |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 20 问题应该是你判断对方是什么牌你可以call.
其实这牌是可以raise的.
的? |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 21 我觉得比较有意思的是这么drawy的flop,他check behind而没有cbet.
对方的river bet看起来就象是blocking bet,其实是很好的raise bluff机会. |
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m*****g 发帖数: 3029 | 22
raise bluff不一定别人就fold了
可能别人call而损失更多 |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 23 如果觉得对方不会fold to a raise on river,那就老实自己fold好了。 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 24 不看对手hole cards的话,这个spot raise bluff风险太大。我个人觉得turn raise>
river fold>river call>river raise |
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c*****t 发帖数: 817 | 25 这个river raise bluff就是找死。 |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 26 你们难道不觉得这是个river blocking bet么? 没想到大家看法会差这么多. |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 27 因为flop checked around,这两位,平时都是什么风格,各自心知肚明,在已经pot
controlled的情况下 即使拿着KK,光头哥都有太大可能性call下dur的raise。如果是
顶对以上的牌的话,no brainer了。imo,如果这里真要raise bluff,就要用到比平时
更大的size,并且祈祷对手确实是river blocking bet而不是拿着monster在value bet
,综合下来,还是不合算啊。 |
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g******n 发帖数: 53185 | 28 一rasie他就fold了。明显是个提心吊胆的blocking bet |
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a**o 发帖数: 730 | 29 我觉得你定义他的对手的范围太窄了。flop check around, turn上tom check again,
所以他的对手任何牌都可能bet, 小对子,10x,Jx,flush draw, straight draw. River
bet更可能是blusted draw bluff. 如果bluff,小对子,10x, 除了10A tom都赢, Jx
, 除了JA其他都是chop. flush draw只输给Asxs, straight draw只输给QK. 我还是没
觉得怎么是easy fold的。
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a**o 发帖数: 730 | 30 我同意,raise bluff很有可能是找死。 river tom的牌对ziggman来说face up了。
tom这么aggressive, 又是preflop raiser, 这么wet的flop居然check,那肯定没有draw
, 否则tom肯定继续bet. 然后turn上tom只是call, 那就更明确了,tom的牌是Jx weak
kicker, 10x, 小对子. 如果是JA, flop tom绝对会cbet. 所以JA不可能,river A是
张安全牌。这个时候如果tom raise bluff, ziggman肯定会call的。
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 31 他们如果互相已经很了解了那是另外一回事情.
如果只是看牌的话,我觉得most likely 是个river blocking bet with Jx to Ax 之类
的,是会fold to raise的. |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 32 如果不考虑他们互相的历史和了解,which I have no idea about.
只是看这手牌,你觉得对方是用什么牌raise? 你难道见过很多villain这种情况会raise
with Jx么?
draw
weak |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 33 我不太赞同turn raise,因为对方有made hand或者drawing hand都会call的,除了把pot
搞大了,没有什么用,既没有value也没有information |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 34 我是觉得如果他真有大到可以call raise的牌,这种情况应该会是个更大的bet. 因为对
方如果会call, 再大一些的bet也是会call的.
Ax是有可能的,比如说AQ straight draw,或者A high flush draw,即使是AT two pairs
这里我觉得也很难call river raise.
对方check flop, call turn, raise river, 你难道觉得很有可能是在bluff么? 如果
是bluff,那应该是什么牌呢? |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 35
pot
考虑到hero in position并且strength在tpnk,abc上来讲,raise on turn实际上是增
加了% for river cheap show down,与在river 去call一个相当大的donk bet相比来
说,turn的raise,freeze了所有medium strong hand的action,避免了一个marginal
spot,减小了variance, my 2 C |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 36 你说的有道理,如果在他们这个级别大家都经常这么干,那估计会被call的可能性就大多
了. 主要是我不太常见到villain这种情况会bluff with weak J,所以我更倾向于raise
. 如果真的raise了,大概size比pot小一点on top吧.
hand
的。 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 37 另外补充一点,光头在这里的river lead out,size已经算是相当大了,不看玩家是谁
,在abc的情况下的话,2.5x的一个标准raise,可以敢走绝大多数的tpgk-的hands,可
是,撇开对手是谁和他们的历史,在这里讨论,我觉得无意义。 |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 38 这个有道理,那就是如果被call了,就做好了fold river的准备.
marginal |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 39 的确是这样的,每种情况都可以从两面分析,哪一边是对的还是看人. |
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a**o 发帖数: 730 | 41 he is one of the best players in the world, my new idol now. |
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 42 另外话说dwan最近好像没什么消息啊。不在澳门,不打online,也没有参加wsop。他的
好基友galphond去了一滴水,他居然一点动静都没有? |
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A*******e 发帖数: 4024 | 43 哥们你真牛。人到中年真心伤不起,看看tom dwan,86年的小孩,这两年老得太快了。
。。
人还是要好好休息先。
down
还 |
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f******g 发帖数: 13917 | 44 现在百花齐放,但主要是以玫瑰为主。
1. 椒盐的Tamora。可惜被雨水打坏了花瓣。
2. 一个大株的双喜,感觉不是很好看
3. 这几天,这个黄玫瑰开的多一些,更好看了
4. Edd Tide,颜色现在不是很深。但是却很香,很香
5. 下面的Cherish是越来越香,越来越漂亮了。
6. Bell flower, 浅紫色
7. 著名的group 3小铁, comtesse de bouchaud,果然很不错哦
8. Lady of Shallot, 颜色很棒
9. Primula, 去年还是小苗,今年开的很不错。
10. 大爱的一个组合,深紫色小铁和粉白的new dwan,颜色对比强烈视觉效果
才好。
11. 一个不起眼色角落,被我塞了很多东西。被称为 Pink corner.
12. 这是浮云妹子要看的tuber begonia,春天很早就种了,现在长的老大了,
刚露了个小花苞。
13. 乱糟糟的“玫瑰园” |
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人工智能Libratus在和人类的交手中四战全胜,人类选手被四比零KO,损失约24万美元
,是迄今为止输得最惨的一天。目前双方一共激战了40,340手,人类选手总计亏损47万
1千6百美元。这画面太残忍,我不忍看……
Dong Kim是目前还算体面的人类选手,亏损不到3万美元。其他三名选手损失均超过10
万美元。Jason Les是目前最惨的人类选手,亏损18万多美元。
目前人类选手战绩如下:
Dong Kim亏损29,506美元
Jason Les亏损186,489美元
Jimmy Chou 亏损113,728美元
Daniel Mcaulay亏损141,877美元
目前比赛才进行了约1/3的进程,人类选手还有很多... 阅读全帖 |
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r*******1 发帖数: 4394 | 46 mothers clay bar 在walmart autozone都有。很好用。一共两块,可以用4-5辆车。
用之前用dwan牌洗液兑水把车上残余的腊洗掉。clay完之后再洗一遍。然后用
microfiber 打上尽可能薄的一层液态腊(比固体腊好用一些,可以在walmart买这个牌
子的 Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0),然后用干净的mirofiber打亮。多准
备一些mirofiber |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 47 sigh, if i (ever, hehe) put $10K hard earned cold cash in something like
this, you can't be afraid of anybody. knowing too many pros' names (and even
their diff. styles) is at your huuuuuuge disadvantage, they're human beings
not monsters (bunches of big name pros got busted in day 1, like JC Tran,
Dan Harrington, Tom "Durrr" Dwan...). otherwise, just admit you can't play
at this level against deep pockets, hehe.
"oh, i was doing well until day 2..." means nothing with still about 3000
players t |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 48 Hellmuth played the worst.
His read is poor.
Dwan played much better than those old guys. |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 49 yeah, they're pretty different.
tourney (no re-buy) may involve more strategies at different blinds levels,
if your or your opponent's tourney life is on the line, lots of interesting
things could happen, hehe, for example, the bubble effect.
that's why many top cash players, like kenny tran (regular game is $1000/
2000NL), only got his first WSOP bracelet recently. tom "durrrr" dwan, who's
a top online cash game pro and wins/loses pots of quarter millions, got
busted on day 1 in the main event |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 50 老大,quit poker就跟烟鬼说戒烟一样的,哈哈,缓过劲再来,技术又提高了,这辈子
(至少俺)是没希望靠online成为下一个tom dwan或者issac baron了,但要是能慢慢的
每天挣点小钱,既娱乐了又打了份不错的零工,不错。
换个角度,你上周搞的那把大的,已经超前完成今后一段日子的任务了。 |
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