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发帖数: 174 | 1 终于尘埃落定，今天买到了我们想要的新车。2016 Nissan Altma SV, out of door
price-$20228($17765+TTL). Dealer MSRP price-$27356, 我们是以比dealer MSRP 价
格低$10000拿下的，虽然是2016年产，可也是新车（6个月），只有70 mile.。感觉还
不错。下面把这次买车的过程记录下来希望对网友有所帮助。
我们是三个星期前决定买新车的。目标基本锁定 Toyota Camry, Honda Accord 和
Nissan Altma, 因为我有辆Nissan altma, 非常可靠，十年开了近200k mile也没多大
问题，最大的问题就是换了个Starter 和 tire pressure sensor. 所以我们对日系车
感觉不错。我开始是在Autotrader上看到合适的车就给Dealer发email。我们地处大都
市，dealership非常多，每一种品牌都有至少7，8个dealership,分散在各个卫星城，
开车去任何dealership也就40分钟以内。Dealers收到email... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 11530 | 2 Toyota Sienna
HomeAutomotiveCar Models Last updated: 08/07/2017
Consumer Complaints and Reviews
Nancy of Chatham, NJ on July 28, 2017
Satisfaction Rating
I purchased my Toyota Sienna 2013 XLE new. After 3 1/2 years and 39,000
miles, I have had to replace a full set of run flat tires 4 times, brake
pads and now have been informed that I need to replace the shocks and struts
and the tires again (since they are wearing unevenly due to the first issue
). To top that all off, the cable to the automat... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 212 | 3 clive,
下面我转贴一个我曾经发过的帖子，里面讲到finance的tricks，我当时的rate是从8.9
%到
5.9%到最终的0.9%一步步下来的。很长，但希望对你有帮助。
***
“Enjoy” your time with Financial Consultant
本节适于那些在走进dealership前还没有确定financial loan rate的buyer们。
当你经过漫长坎坷的sales之旅，拖着疲惫不堪的身子来到finance department，你可
能觉得终于可以为一个不错的deal喘口气了，下面不过是让他们给你一个你认为理所当
然的loan rate，然后签字，提车，走人。但是，你或许没有想到你的路可能才不过走
了一半。下面等着你的，是被我称作financial consultant的一群骗子 (为了让某些看
客觉得舒服些，我再次申明，我所说的骗子并不一概而论。)。但是，幸运的是，如果
你能成功地从sales manager那里比较完整地survive的话，financial consultant这一
关对你来说应该是可以对付的，原因有五。首先，fina... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2071 | 4 你问问这软家员工吧：
序号 标记 作者 日期 标题
1 * goFan Jun 14 Re: 又有怪物现身
2 * goFan Jun 14 Re: 非日系 但是高可靠性的 SUV
3 * goFan Jun 14 Re: 求一个1000美元左右的，mileage小于140000的可
以开的车，
4 * goFan Jun 14 Re: 修车记（八）修完
5 * goFan Jun 14 Re: 换轮胎加+alignment一般多少钱？
6 * goFan Jun 14 Re: 换轮胎加+alignment一般多少钱？
7 * goFan Jun 14 Re: 什么鬼
8 * goFan Jun 14 Re: 什么鬼
9 * goFan Jun 14 Re: 第一款国产suv上市了
10 * goFan Jun 14 Re: ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 764 | 5 Although the NCAA's Notice of Allegations to Ohio State last month brought
more bad publicity for coach Jim Tressel and the program, it didn't contain
much that the school didn't already know.
[+] EnlargeTerrelle Pryor
Greg Bartram/US PresswireTerrelle Pryor is among the dozens of Ohio State
players who have purchased used cars at two Columbus-area dealerships.
Ohio State's big fear throughout this process is that something else would
come to light, another layer that could bring more trouble.
I... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 6 Harley Dealership Cancels Nation of Islam Event After Receiving Major
Backlash
John S. Roberts
September 8, 2015 6:00 pm
I guess when Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan isn’t having dinner
with rapper Eminem in Detroit, he’s setting up deals with Harley-Davidson
dealerships in order to spread the word of Allah.
Not so fast, say nearly 6,000 people.
Check it out…
From Daily Caller:
A Harley Davidson dealership near Washington, D.C., faced massive
Internet backlash over the weekend after w... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 212 | 7 买新车杂记-唐僧版_3_自我篇
Dealership其实最不喜欢和一种人做生意，就是那些冲到dealership里，毫无根据和底线乱砍价的buyer。而事实上，dealership是接受一切justified reasons，关键在于你有没有这些justified reasons，而且是不是能够在合适的场合用合适的方式表达出来。
记得我和最后买车那个dealership的sales manager有过一段有趣的对话。我说dealership最喜欢和两种人做生意，一种人是对市场一点都不了解，对价格和想要买什么车没有sense。这种deal，take的时间会长些，但利润很高；一种是对市场有所了解，对价格和喜欢什么车有点感觉，但对hassle没有兴趣。这种deal利润的变数其实很大，但时间会很短，尤其是当有些时候cases很多的时候，sales manager会比较喜欢这样的buyer。但dealership应该不喜欢和我这样的人做买卖。他笑笑说，其实dealership还愿意和一种是对游戏规则很了解，而且擅长negotiating的人做生意。这种deal利润相对比较低，而且没准花的时间也不 |
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发帖数: 149 | 8 看了之前有同胞在黑心dealer处身心俱疲的经历。
也想总结一下这么多年自己和dealer打交到的一些想法和总结。
有些肯定以前已经有人总结过，如有雷同，请大家包涵，只能说君子所见略同了：）
自己在美国生活的时间不短了，自己家买过三辆新车，帮朋友前前后后买过5,6辆新车
。和dealer打交道也算是见的比较多了。
这里我就不诉苦自己的苦了，各种被骗白跑，白眼，冷遇，恐吓，翻脸不认人，基本是
经历遍了。
这里主要想总结一下三个方面
1:为什么大家买车的经历会如此痛苦。
2:在买车过程中 dealer 和买家各自的资本是什么
3:如何才能使买车的经历不那么痛苦。
1:为什么大家买车的经历会如此痛苦。
一句话总结买车之所以痛苦，是因为我们和dealer想要的生意方式不一致的。
在商品价格透明的今天，汽车销售因为总总原因任然停留在几十年以前。已经是美国几
乎是最后一个价格不完全透明的大众消费品行业。传统的dealership 仍然把持绝大多
数的汽车销售。（tesla想要开自己的直销部，绕开dealer,就被dealer协会围攻，好像
至今在很多州都不能直接卖。）
在互联网时代，车的一切信息，... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8397 | 9 http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/09/another-dealership-refusing-
Another dealership refusing to honor eBay Motors sale [UPDATE]
By Jeff GluckerRSS feed
Posted Aug 9th 2011 4:31PM
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6
Comments55
Another day, another story of a dealership refusing to honor an eBay Motors
transaction. (It seems these tales pop up at least once each quarter.) Today
's adventure in online car shopping comes courtesy of Xou Vang of Anchorage,
Alaska, who was the winner of a 2009 Nissan GT-R, with a top bid of $55,100
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发帖数: 20533 | 10 那些呼喊ngo比政府更可信更高效的人，应该好好看看号称‘ngo共和国’的海地，地震
之后，ngo们是如何花钱？比如大把购买陆地巡洋舰。
Land Cruiser nation
In a land sometimes referred to as "The Republic of NGOs," the money that
does stay in Haiti often fuels the NGO crowd's expensive taste for the
aesthetic of international aid.
And if you really want to see the face of humanitarian spending post-
earthquake in Haiti -- the financial clout of the NGOs -- there’s only one
place to go: the Toyota dealership in Port-au-Prince.
As with any cataclysm or war zone, a... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 40 | 11 我们住在Pennsylvania，离Delaware 就几里路。
去年十一月份断断续续的看了看Toyota的Sienna CE(V6, 7 pass)，在PA能拿到的最好
价是23600+TTL。后来由于小孩推迟了上daycare的时间，也就相应地把买车这事放了一
阵。现在小孩马上就要上daycare，于是花了两周的时间把车给买了。
过了半年时间，Sienna 的CE价格大概涨了$1000 （可以参考Truecar的价格走势）,去
年的这家dealership已经不给match去年十一月的价格。由于Sienna的two star rating
for front female passenger,我们决定放弃Sienna,转战Honda Odyssey LX.
参照Truecar的价格，我们把目标价定在$26000+TTL. 网上能拿到的最好的quote是$
26726 (OTD: $28501)(Truecar best local price:$26754),然后我们就从这家
dealership开始逐个看车谈价。
周六在第一家dealership试驾了一下odyssey,也没找出... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 16971 | 12 TrueCar.com
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vehicle. You're never obligated to make a purchase.
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My New Car 2012 Volkswagen Beetle
2dr... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4400 | 13 yes indeed. To best honest, right now I think it might be better for Tesla
to call for local car dealerships to join their sales network. The
dealership decision is probably the single biggest mistake Elon has made.
There are many issues dealerships can take care of, like paint and minor
body damages during transport. Dealerships fix these all the time before you
even see the car, but Tesla is too busy to fix these. They also allow the
manufacturer to quickly recoup the capital.
Tesla used to ha... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2796 | 14 http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_postdoc.php?board=Football&ftype=0
A Seattle-area Chevrolet dealership knows just how important insurance is --
promotion insurance, that is.
The owners of Jet Chevrolet of Federal Way, Wash., had to be breathing a
sigh of relief Monday morning after covering their tails and taking out an
insurance policy for a special promotion this week. The insurance policy
cost $7,000, which may potentially save the dealership from being on the
hook for the full promotion total o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 764 | 15 COLUMBUS, Ohio -- On the same day coach Jim Tressel resigned in the wake of
an NCAA investigation, The Columbus Dispatch is reporting that the NCAA and
Ohio State are looking into whether star quarterback Terrelle Pryor received
cars and other extra benefits.
Rittenberg: Pryor Under Microscope
Rittenberg As Jim Tressel continues to be at the center of the Ohio State
scandal, the spotlight soon could be turning to Buckeyes quarterback
Terrelle Pryor, ESPN.com's Adam Rittenberg writes. Blog
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发帖数: 121 | 16 Source(s): carbuyingtips.com
What I am telling you is based on 7 years in the business and personal
purchases.
------------------------------...
MSRP = Sticker(includes Dest. Charge)
Invoice = Can be found on Edmunds.com(include options) or kbb.com
Rebates = Vary by local dealership
Holdback (dealer's profit) = see below portion to calculate holdback
Estimate True invoice = Invoice - Rebates - Holdback
tax = ?% x True Invoice
Tags = whatever your states charges (typically $100 - $400)
Low ball o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1352 | 17 我看了一个论坛上一个据称以前是dealer的人的帖子之后很有启发：全文如下：
I thought I would share some insight on the potential discounts available to
those people considering buying a new SUV. I used to be a car broker, and
have been a part of many deals through the years. Here are some potential
money saving tips when buying one of these great SUV's new.
1) Selling at Invoice-Dealers don't usually like to, but they will more than
you think. Ask to see the invoice and tell them this is our starting point.
If they balk at it, the... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29495 | 18 http://autos.yahoo.com/news/chinese-students-major-in-luxury-ca
html
Chinese students at the University of Iowa began coming into Carousel Motors
in Iowa City about three years ago to get their Mercedes-Benz and Audi luxu
ry cars serviced. Finally, general manager Pat Lind started asking if they'd
ever considered his dealership when they made their original purchase. No,
the students told him. Back in China, they'd been told to buy their wheels i
n Chicago before heading to college.
So Lind bega... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 208 | 19 在版上问了很多问题，所以发个帖子，给我一样车盲的首次买车者，懂车的大虾们请轻
拍。
背景情况，基本上没有自己独立开过车，没有车的常识。到美国一年多，家庭妇女。因
为不工作也没车开无法出去兼生了一个娃太忙，所以对美国的车市场也不知道。一抹黑
。因为老公上班比较忙，之前他也调研了一些，但是后来发现还是我自己调研专注一些
。所以除了去dealershio看车（共两次）和买车签合同，基本都自己完成。
第一步：需求调研，其实真的不知道该从哪里开始，这点是最困难的。我们的开始就是
在车版问问题。最初想买SUV，但是从预算2万刀来看，只能买5座的SUV，但是得到评论
说5座SUV安全性不高，然后开门不方便，所以基本上确定了买Minivan，然后很多人推
荐dodge caravan，这也是基本符合我的预算的minivan。尤其是看到了一个帖子说希望
买一个能平躺的车，3分钟内放平，在里面可以平躺伸直腿。很多年以前，就想要一个
能开出去
，中午能午睡的车子，厚着脸皮说，这个功能可以当作小房车了。可惜minivan没有天
窗。小遗憾。曾经想过买韩车7座SUV。但是看了版上的评论不好，觉得还是7座的
ca... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7283 | 20 你这个就等价于车厂直接own所有的dealership一样，其实还是dealership制度。
凡是让成交价跟销量、产品质量、客户反应挂钩的销售系统，其实都是属于dealership
模式。
并且车厂直销还有一个致命地方：因为销量不好，车厂必定要调整售价。这样就很危险
，因为一旦某个月开始销量不好，大家都知道车厂接下来必定会调售价，价格肯定会更
便宜，所以多数人必定会暂时按兵不动；这样就导致接下来销量更少；更少的销量又会
导致下一波价格下调。所以这是一个恶性循环，没有车厂愿意陷进这里面去。所以你看
就算是采取直销制度的Tesla，还有其它一些固定售价不讲价的品牌（比如说Scion），
不管销量是好是坏，每一个model year都紧紧固定死售价不变，就是这个道理。
而当前dealership模式就很好地避免了这个问题。因为尽管消费者可以知道整个车厂的
每个月销售总量，但他们不可能知道具体到每一个dealership的销售数量；总会有的
dealer卖得好，有的卖得不好。所以这个variation就会提供一个价格的支撑点。
历史上有过一些车厂的确用过直销的模式，但最终市场的结果证明都不是... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1898 | 21 评价来自Edmunds，为了公平起见，对评价没有筛选，而是按时间顺序选择了第一页显
示的评论。
Piece of crap
by Melissa on Aug 22, 2015
Vehicle: 2012 Ford Focus SE 4dr Hatchback (2.0L 4cyl 5M)
Beyond what is considered normal grinding noises and hesitation to
accelerate by ford, my 2012 focus decided to just stop in the middle of the
road while driving. I commute and this could have been a serious safety
concern if I would of been on a major highway. Other problems was the
interior plastic was shaking and not put together well, coming apart ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1327 | 22 有你的这种情况，也有你楼上回的IN-IL跨州的情况，具体看跨的州和dealership的情况
比如我的是PA-NJ，
case 1：dealership有subscribe跨州registration服务，一条龙服务，做到真的OTD (
selling price + doc fee+ TTL);
case 2： PA小dealership不想多花费办跨州牌照，只给30天临时tag（牌照），但要
collect NJ tax，剩下的会开一张支票给NJ MVC，连同其他材料寄到你家，然互你自己
去mvc注册交4年registration fee;
case 3: PA小dealership遵守先签谈好的OTD，算好NJ state tax+ estimate 4yr
registration fee+title fee，写到一个给mvc的check上，还让你自己办理，如果差几
块钱自己补。
case 4: PA小dealership遵守先签谈好的OTD，只寄给你check cover nj tax，剩下的
几百块钱用gift card或者配件形式给你 |
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发帖数: 7283 | 23 dealership这个话题，说到底只是一个形式问题。
不管是所谓“dealership”还是“直销”，买车卖车总得有一个销售部门（就算是全自
动的网上销售，也总得由人来负责maintain、监控、控制这套软件系统，总之就是怎么
也得有这一步）。
dealership就相当于车厂把销售部门的这个职能按地域承包给私人；而直销就相当于车
厂的员工来负责这个职能。其实都是人来干这事情，区别只是这些人的老板是一个不直
接隶属于车厂CEO管的人，还是说是一个听CEO指挥的employee而已。
现在dealership所有的毛病对于让车厂来直接运营的“直销”来讲，发展下去也会逐渐
收敛到同样的情况。因为除非全世界最后只剩下唯一的一个汽车品牌（你没有别的选择
）；不同品牌之间的竞争，必然会牵涉到价格的竞争。一旦价格随市场存在任何程度的
free float，你现在看到dealership的所有毛病，也会随之而来。
肯定有人会举Tesla作为例子。Tesla之所以可以用MSRP卖，那是因为它的产品目前在市
场上还没有严格对号的竞争者（定位豪华车、后驱布局、突出加速性能的纯电动车）。
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发帖数: 208 | 25 以前在这里学到很多，也没能贡献啥，所以把自己的买车经历贴一贴，万一有需要的妈
妈可以参考。版主如果不喜欢就直接删掉吧。
背景情况，基本上没有自己独立开过车，没有车的常识。到美国一年多，家庭妇女。因
为不工作也没车开无法出去兼生了一个娃太忙，所以对美国的车市场也不知道。一抹黑
。因为老公上班比较忙，之前他也调研了一些，但是后来发现还是我自己调研专注一些
。所以除了去dealershio看车（共两次）和买车签合同，基本都自己完成。
第一步：需求调研，其实真的不知道该从哪里开始，这点是最困难的。我们的开始就是
在车版问问题。最初想买SUV，但是从预算2万刀来看，只能买5座的SUV，但是得到评论
说5座SUV安全性不高，然后开门不方便，所以基本上确定了买Minivan，然后很多人推
荐dodge caravan，这也是基本符合我的预算的minivan。尤其是看到了一个帖子说希望
买一个能平躺的车，3分钟内放平，在里面可以平躺伸直腿。很多年以前，就想要一个
能开出去
，中午能午睡的车子，厚着脸皮说，这个功能可以当作小房车了。可惜minivan没有天
窗。小遗憾。曾经想过买韩车7座SUV。但是看了... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29495 | 26 【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: renaissance (ole), 信区: Automobile
标 题: Chinese students major in luxury cars
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 8 15:49:47 2014, 美东)
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/chinese-students-major-in-luxury-ca
html
Chinese students at the University of Iowa began coming into Carousel Motors
in Iowa City about three years ago to get their Mercedes-Benz and Audi luxu
ry cars serviced. Finally, general manager Pat Lind started asking if they'd
ever considered his dealership when they made... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2507 | 27 【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: stoneren (酸菜鱼), 信区: Automobile
标 题: 买新车杂记-唐僧版_3_自我篇 (终于唐完了:-)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 4 12:34:16 2008)
买新车杂记-唐僧版_3_自我篇
Dealership其实最不喜欢和一种人做生意，就是那些冲到dealership里，毫无根据和底线乱砍价的buyer。而事实上，dealership是接受一切justified reasons，关键在于你有没有这些justified reasons，而且是不是能够在合适的场合用合适的方式表达出来。
记得我和最后买车那个dealership的sales manager有过一段有趣的对话。我说dealership最喜欢和两种人做生意，一种人是对市场一点都不了解，对价格和想要买什么车没有sense。这种deal，take的时间会长些，但利润很高；一种是对市场有所了解，对价格和喜欢什么车有点感觉，但对hassle没有兴趣。这种deal利润的变数其实很大，但时间会很短，尤其是当有些时候cases |
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t*******y
发帖数: 21396 | 28 Bloomburg Business Week报道，能办绿卡不？
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-12-19/chinese-student
Chinese students at the University of Iowa began coming into Carousel Motors
in Iowa City about three years ago to get their Mercedes (DAI:GR) and Audi
(NSU:GR) luxury cars serviced. Finally, general manager Pat Lind started
asking if they’d ever considered his dealership when they made their
original purchase. No, the students told him. Back in China, they’d been
told to buy their wheels in Chicago ... 阅读全帖 |
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t********y
发帖数: 360 | 29 朋友要卖一个二手车，2002年的车，2005年从DEALERSHIP手里买来，之前有一个OWNER。当时查了CARFAX没有车祸史，DEALERSHIP也没有说过有车祸。现在再查CARFAX，发现2003年有过车祸 "front impact with another vehicle"，但是05年买车的时候没有记录，当时应该是DEALERSHIP隐瞒了吧。但是现在要卖车的时候这个记录出现了，对卖车不利。而且当初如果05年有这个记录，就不会买了。请问这种情况能找原来的DEALERSHIP索赔吗？据说这几年来修车也花了一些钱，但是好像没有什么结构上的大问题那样。
谢谢大家建议。 |
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s*******u
发帖数: 1855 | 30 正在关于一款二手车砍价。这个车condition很好，feature exactly满足我们要求，10
款，mile也很低。seller自称是一个
dealership的owner，auction了这个车，现在按照private party来当私人车卖，说他
常常在main job（走正规
dealership路线）额外，自己干些私活，以个人身份转卖。这个是不是并不奇怪？
现在dealer到了一个价X，就死活不肯降了，说这个价钱他只赚450刀。这个价本来我们
觉得也还可以了，就要求再降几
百。这时候，seller offer说，可以通过dealership做账，写好X－4000成交价，然后
按照X－4000来报税，这样我们把
tax跟licensing fee给他，他来通过dealership办手续，能够帮我们剩那几百刀。
听到这个提议后，我们比较confuse。想问大家几个问题：
1）这样理论上可行吗？对我们是不是比较有风险。whatever，我们倾向于没必要这样
搞，但是想探讨一下，这样到底风险
多大，有没有漏洞？讨论清楚了，对于后来人也有好处。假定我们从了dealer这个提议
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y*******s
发帖数: 267 | 31 一个车祸，对方全责。
拖到dealership (以下用A dealership)之后，等了1个多月。
对方保险公司说，dealership报出的部件费及人工费，将近7000；
他们找到另外一个地方(以下代称B修车店)，5000。
于是对方保险公司说能否只给5000。
我要求对方保险公司报出B修车店的联系方法以及部件的品质，并且
说如果品质无法保证，那么我要求在A dealership做正规维护，按照7000
来计费。
对方保险公司于是一直躲避不表态。已经又过了1个星期。
对方保险公司当初写信承诺承担所有租车费用直到解决为止，现在只解决了最初30天的租车费，之后又有15天的租车费还一直没表态。
对方会不会一直拖着不理？或者对以后的租车费抵赖？
我该怎么办？ |
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y******n
发帖数: 8667 | 32 Found from google:
1.
"Have you ever thought about what would happen if you got into an car
accident during a test drive? Normally, the dealership will be responsible
for paying for any test drive crashes and will do so through its own insurer
. However, if the test drive accident was your fault, the dealership may
attempt to collect reimbursement from you.
If you were not negligent in causing the test drive accident and had clear
authorization to drive the car, a dealership will generally be un... 阅读全帖 |
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T*****a
发帖数: 29 | 33 今天早上去dealership又查了，确实是他们的问题，半个小时不到修好了。给的解释是
，换thermostat的时候（那天charge了我们四个小时的labor），拔了空调的一个插头
，后来插回去了，但是没插紧。Dealership态度还不错，没有直接表无辜。
顺便说一下，今天去dealership之前，还去local的一个autoshop问了一下。Autoshop
前台的第一反应是，遇到这种情况，当然应该回dealership让他们复查，很有可能就是
什么地方线被弄松了。事实证明也的确是这样的。
还不错，总算没有又花个几百刀。 |
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G******e
发帖数: 229 | 34 Just learned this which seems interesting:
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Auto dealers are eternal optimist. Dealers expect to sell you a car on your
first visit to the showroom. Statistics show that roughly 25%-30% of car
shoppers who take a test drive, buy.
Those car shoppers that test drive, sit through the negotiations and don’t
buy are often given a "low ball" price on their way out. Note: Not all car
dealers use this sales tactic.
The "low ball" is a pr... 阅读全帖 |
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a****t
发帖数: 191 | 35 请大家评论一下，谢谢。
details:
Which vehicles come with the Lifetime Warranty?
The Warranty applies to all new vehicles. It also applies to select pre-
owned vehicles that are current model year or 4 prior model years old with
less than 50,000 miles, have passed our Lifetime Warranty certification
program and a CarFax or similar inspection. These models are: Toyota, Honda,
Nissan, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Hyundai, Subaru, Isuzu, Suzuki, Acura, Lexus and
Infiniti.
What's covered under the Lifetime Warranty? The ... 阅读全帖 |
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a********a
发帖数: 45 | 36 对了 我打电话toyota customer service说dealership 的人很rude，不讲理,他们要我
找customer relationship manager在dealership那里的，这个是与狼谋皮吧？人
dealership那里的customer relationship manager还不是护着dealer啊！
或者打电话直接告诉toyota customer service,report这个dealership有用么？我还没
有告诉customer service具体哪家签字没有disclose清楚 忽悠我了。。。 |
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a********a
发帖数: 45 | 37 如题，真是和toyota dealer的经理闹翻了，连着恐吓带嘲笑，想找toyota customer
service会不会能对dealership施压？
电话toyota customer service,他们要我找dealership的customer relationship
manager, 但是不知道这个customer relationship manager是不是就是toyota的自己人？
听说版上有个文件，是每年汽车厂家对dealership的review, dealership很在乎这个，
请问这个review文件在哪里啊？
非常感谢！ |
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a********a
发帖数: 45 | 38 谢谢各位，从唐僧精华帖里找到我要的答案了
“customer satisfaction survey (CSS)。这是manufacturer衡量dealership service
quality的标准之一，而且就目前所能得到的信息来看，即便dealership能达到sales
target，如果他们的CSS rate 很低，他们也会有麻烦。一来，他们可能无法拿到他们
幸苦卖车得来的bonus，另一方面，他们有可能无法从manufacturer那里及时得到那些
很hot vehicle。不过，我诚恳地建议你，CSS是个核武器，吓人滴可以，使用滴不行。
如果你在一家dealership make deal了，就给他们最高的rating，否则，你就别在那里
买。不要在make deal后用这个去整dealership，除非你觉得他们做得很过分，否则，
最多敲打一下就行了，没必要把对方往死里推。而且，如果在前面negotiate的时候暗
示他们你知道CSS，而且会给他们最高的rating，你应该可以获得更好的leverage。(最
高的rating意味着good，其他的任何rating都意... 阅读全帖 |
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f******o
发帖数: 27 | 39 密歇根，供大家参考。
quote了大概15家dealership，包括所有附近的再加上几个Ohio, Chicago, 远到New
Jersey， Maryland。dealer的offer大概在5%到8.2% off MSRP之间，唯一一个高的是
一个New Jersey的dealership，上来就是10.5% off MSRP. 然后问OTD价格，各有不同
，doc fee是主要不同之处，从$160到$360不等。
拿着New Jersey的报价和几个Chicago的dealership砍价，都说太低了，最便宜的比New
Jersey要贵大概$1000。 看这个架势，本来觉得很有可能是从了最远的New Jersey的
，打算租一辆单程的rental car去签合同。最后抱着试一试的心态，和本地detroit一
个dealership砍了一下，开始sales说我们倒赔，good luck to you. 但一个小时后又
email我说，sales manager变了心，可以beat the price by $100.然后我跟他最后砍
价，还价$300，不干。最后我说咱两个平均一下... 阅读全帖 |
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C********n
发帖数: 150 | 40 PLEASE READ - Oil Consumption - Necessary Steps
All,
These steps are important for you to get this issues resolved. I see a lot
of oil consumption post so I feel I should explain the necessary steps to
get this issue resolved. Audi knows that this issue affects all 2.0t engines
up to 2011. The models include A4, A5, and Q5. This does not include the A3
. At some point in 2011, Audi fixed the problem so I do not know the cut off
point on production to when they fixed the issue. Audi realized they... 阅读全帖 |
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g********d
发帖数: 19244 | 41 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
xiaowanzi99 (小丸子) 于 (Wed Dec 18 11:30:12 2013, 美东) 提到:
买的是Q5, 说的是一万麦保养，每四千麦就提示机油低了，第一次不懂还开去dealer，
给加了点机油好了，现在又没有了，离保养还差两千麦呢，自己加了一品脱机油，但提
示灯不会自动灭，还在那儿亮着。
开起来还算不错，这烧机油还真是麻烦事，当时没做好功课，急急忙忙的买了，现在有
点小后悔。
知道的同学说说这警示灯怎么弄灭了？
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umQdOq (umQdOq) 于 (Wed Dec 18 11:45:06 2013, 美东) 提到:
这个是大众的优良传统。
老夫以前的beetle每三千烧至少一到二夸特。
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realbug (WA) 于 (Wed Dec 18 12:11:31 2013, 美东) 提到:
家里常备机油，每两... 阅读全帖 |
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D***n
发帖数: 6804 | 42 你这个说的有一定启发性。
TESLA 颠覆的不仅仅是经销商制度，实际上以后条件合适，TESLA的
dealership不是啥大问题。TESLA颠覆的实际上是落后的汽车工业生产方式。
当前的生产商－dealership经常导致了所谓的“以产定销”，明明这车有N个问题，市
场上竞争力很差，但是汽车生产商只是强行把车塞给dealer就完事了，再逼着dealer用
各种流氓方法给卖出去。实际上dealer在帮忙背黑锅。这个问题在美国车厂特别明显。
而直销让厂商直接面对群众，他们卖不出去车厂商当月的数据就不好看，产品问题能够
快速直接反馈到厂商，然后厂商可以在下一个批次直接修正这个BUG。TESLA已经取消什
么批次的概念，不停在升级。如果有dealership，这个很难做。
dealership |
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b*********2
发帖数: 229 | 43 So glad to hear from you. Sorry that I am at the dealership and can't type
Chinese. You are very welcome to lease or purchase the vehicle from our
dealership. Our customers are from all over the New England Area as well as
New York, New Jersey, and Florida etc.
1. 请问2016 的GX460 Premium Package你现在什么价格能拿到？
For the Premium Package, the MSRP is about $57,265. (The price varies
according to different optional features. You can always ask the dealership
to print all the standard features and optional ... 阅读全帖 |
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b*********2
发帖数: 229 | 44 So glad to hear from you. Sorry that I am at the dealership and can't type
Chinese. You are very welcome to lease or purchase the vehicle from our
dealership. Our customers are from all over the New England Area as well as
New York, New Jersey, and Florida etc.
1. 请问2016 的GX460 Premium Package你现在什么价格能拿到？
For the Premium Package, the MSRP is about $57,265. (The price varies
according to different optional features. You can always ask the dealership
to print all the standard features and optional ... 阅读全帖 |
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r***i
发帖数: 9780 | 45 看看丰田是怎么收买事故车辆，然后掩盖事实的
Toyota bought both vehicles back from their owners -- who had brought them
in complaining about sudden acceleration -- and both owners say Toyota urged
them not to discuss the incidents. The two cases could undercut Toyota's
claims that every case of sudden acceleration can be attributed to driver
error, faulty floor mats or sticky gas pedals.
Norma Deck told ABC News that she experienced two instances of sudden
unintended acceleration with her 2009 Toyota Corolla and broug... 阅读全帖 |
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r***i
发帖数: 9780 | 46 看看丰田是怎么收买事故车辆，然后掩盖事实的
Toyota bought both vehicles back from their owners -- who had brought them
in complaining about sudden acceleration -- and both owners say Toyota urged
them not to discuss the incidents. The two cases could undercut Toyota's
claims that every case of sudden acceleration can be attributed to driver
error, faulty floor mats or sticky gas pedals.
Norma Deck told ABC News that she experienced two instances of sudden
unintended acceleration with her 2009 Toyota Corolla and broug... 阅读全帖 |
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r***i
发帖数: 9780 | 47 lol
这你得问lz
话说看了丰田怎么收买事故车掩盖事故，我相信lz说的有一腚道理
看看丰田是怎么收买事故车辆，然后掩盖事实的
Toyota bought both vehicles back from their owners -- who had brought them
in complaining about sudden acceleration -- and both owners say Toyota urged
them not to discuss the incidents. The two cases could undercut Toyota's
claims that every case of sudden acceleration can be attributed to driver
error, faulty floor mats or sticky gas pedals.
Norma Deck told ABC News that she experienced two instances of sudden
unintended accelerat... 阅读全帖 |
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l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 48 你去嗖嗖投诉，丰田的变速箱投诉虽然没honda多但是一样不少的，比没用双离合之前
的focus都多
你平时都没听说过吧？就是因为丰田市场部门有一部分投入是花在删贴这种负面消息掩
盖上了
我记得之前看过一个网站，corolla的，里面首页几十个帖子我找出来1、20个都是变速
箱出问题的
看看丰田是怎么收买事故车辆，然后掩盖事实的，你就会知道，在网上丰田在干同样的
事情
Toyota bought both vehicles back from their owners -- who had brought them
in complaining about sudden acceleration -- and both owners say Toyota urged
them not to discuss the incidents. The two cases could undercut Toyota's
claims that every case of sudden acceleration can be attributed to driver
error, faulty fl... 阅读全帖 |
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W***n
发帖数: 11530 | 49 2013 Honda CR-V Steering Problem
somu
somu Posts: 5
July 2013 edited December 2013 in Honda
My wife's brand new 2013 Honda CRV with just over 2000 miles had its power
assist steering fail yesterday, The steering was stiff and impossible to
steer and the yellow steering light on the dash came on. Luckily it happened
in a parking lot where she was driving below 5mph, We had the car towed to
the dealership right away, we think its a serious safety issue any one here
experienced any thing similar?
T... 阅读全帖 |
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z******i
发帖数: 291 | 50 楼上这位看看我写的那个dealer真黑的帖子. lz我顶你这个帖子. 作为consumers, 我
们就要找deal, 花最少的钱做最多的事情, dealership, shop挣不挣钱跟consumers有
鸟关系. 现在有internet, youtube, dealership给的价格让我觉得贵，那就要曝光!
list上面总有一些没有鸟用的service就要给指出来! 这样才能让更少的consumers被忽
悠, 这样争取大家慢慢的都不去dealership那里维护车，让dealership去喝西北风去吧
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