w******g
发帖数: 10018 | 1 这事确无明显证据表明有替死人受浸的。谢谢指出。
baptized for the dead，还可能是指代替那些死了的人受浸。 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 2 "Although the New Testament does not use the word "Τριάς" (
Trinity) nor explicitly teach it, it has provided the material upon which
the doctrine of the Trinity was formulated.
Reflection by early Christians on passages such as the Great Commission:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"[Matt 28:19]
and Paul the Apostle's blessing:
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the f... 阅读全帖 |
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h****9
发帖数: 1087 | 3 摩门教之谬误
前言
笔者约于十八年前接触到摩门教，当时笔者在香港新界凤溪中学教书，有两个学生因为
摩门教「摸门」而动摇，他们说：「我们不知如何回答他们，但觉得他们讲得颇有道理
。」后来他们来找我，我便约谈了几位学生，连同那两位摩门教的长老，谈了三个钟头
。这是第一次与他们接触，虽然未有充分准备，但很容易便看出他们的矛盾百出。现在
我们来研究摩门教的教义时，你也一定会轻易看出他们有许多的漏洞及矛盾。为何还是
有这么多人信呢？主要是因为他们并非真的信圣经，他们最权威的书有三本，「摩门经
」为首屈一指的权威；第二本「教义与圣约」，是他们的第二个权威，第三本是「无价
珍珠」；上述三本均为约瑟史密夫所写，他们用这三本书多于用圣经，他们也不会详细
查圣经，而只是会讲这三本书；其他每一个领袖所出的书均为权威。向摩门教徒传福音
时最重要的一件事，便是知己知彼，百战百胜。若一开始便讲圣经，他们不会和你谈的
。最好的方法是由他开始讲他的经书，我们按着他们书中的矛盾，逐一反驳，先打倒他
们的错误。当你能够指出他们所信的几本书中间都有矛盾时，再开始介绍神的话。我们
要让他们知道，他们那些书于这么短的时间写成，... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 4
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship
of the Holy Spirit be with all of you."[2 Cor. 13:14]
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"[Mt 28:19]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 5
We are talking about in sprits prison, BEFORE they are resurrected. There
is still faith involved.
late
Again, preaching is going on IN the sprits prison, dead people if they haven
't accepted Jesus as savior. as long as they want to repent as condition of
salvation. it requires faith and repentance.
There is another requirement of salvation is baptism. see john 3：1-5
that is why believers get baptized FOR the dead since they don't have body
anymore. But as sprits they will decide by their own ... 阅读全帖 |
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h*o
发帖数: 1035 | 6 太 4:3 那试探人的进前来，对他说：“你若是 神的儿子，可以吩咐这些石头变成食
物。” 太 4:4 耶稣却回答说：“经上记着说：‘人活着，不是单靠食物，乃是靠 神
口里所出的一切话。’” 太 4:5 魔鬼就带他进了圣城，叫他站在殿顶上(“顶”原文
作“翅”)， 太 4:6 对他说：“你若是 神的儿子，可以跳下去，因为经上记着说：
‘主要为你吩咐他的使者，用手托着你，免得你的脚碰在石头上。’” 太 4:7 耶稣对
他说：“经上又记着说：‘不可试探主你的 神。’”
[The earliest manuscripts do not include 7:53–8:11.] [1]
The Woman Caught in Adultery
53 [[They went each to his own house, 8:1 but Jesus went to the Mount of
Olives. 2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people
came to him, and he sat down and... 阅读全帖 |
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j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 7 好像还有个"Oneness doctrine"
[Pasted from the Wiki]
Oneness Pentecostalism derives its distinctive name from its teaching on the
Godhead, which is popularly referred to as the Oneness doctrine.[2] This
doctrine states that there is one God, a singular spirit who manifests
himself in many different ways, including as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.[3]
This stands in sharp contrast to the doctrine of three distinct and eternal
"persons" posited by Trinitarian theology. Oneness believers baptize in the
nam... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 8 The Last Twelve Verses of Mark
The second example that we will consider may not be as familiar to the
casual reader of the Bible, but it has been highly influential in the
history of biblical interpretation and poses comparable problems for the
scholar of the textual tradition of the New Testament. This example comes
from the Gospel of Mark and concerns its ending.
In Mark's account, we are told that Jesus is crucified and then buried
by Joseph of Arimathea on the day before the Sabbath (1... 阅读全帖 |
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G*M
发帖数: 6042 | 9 Bible Course - Christian Doctrine
Lesson 3
The Deliverance of Man
Lord's Day 5-7
The Deliverance of Man
Lord's Days 5 through 31 form the second part of the catechism. It consists
of questions 12 through 85, dealing with the deliverance from sin and misery
. From this aspect the first question is: Is there no way…?
Lord's Day 5
Q. 12. Since then, by the righteous judgment of God, we deserve temporal and
eternal punishment, is there no way by which we may escape that punishment,
and be again rece... 阅读全帖 |
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G*M
发帖数: 6042 | 10 Bible Course - Christian Doctrine
Lesson 4
God the Father
Lord's Days 8 - 10
God the Father
A true Christian may be aware of comfort for himself, now and in the future,
when in possession of the favor of God. This blessedness is in the hands of
a triune God. The knowledge of a triune God is indispensable for salvation.
This lesson speaks of the Trinity in general and of God the Father in
particular.
Lord's Day 8
Q. 24. How are these articles divided?
A. Into three parts; the first is of God the ... 阅读全帖 |
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G*M
发帖数: 6042 | 11 Bible Course - Christian Doctrine
Lesson 5
God the Son
Lord's Day 11 - 13
In Lord's Day 8 we learned about a triune God - One God, consisting of three
distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Lord's Days 9
and 10 speak about God the Father. Lord's Days 11 - 19 teach us about the
Person and the work of God the Son.
Lord's Day 11
Q. 29. Why is the Son of God called Jesus, that is a Savior?
A. Because He saveth us, and delivereth us from our sins (a); and likewise,
because we ough... 阅读全帖 |
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G*M
发帖数: 6042 | 12 Bible Course - Christian Doctrine
Lesson 8
God the Holy Ghost
Lord's Day 20 - 22
God the Holy Ghost
In Lord's Day 11-19, on the basis of articles 2 - 7 of the Apostles' Creed,
there is spoken of Jesus Christ and His work. In Lord's Day 20-22, on the
basis of the last five articles of the Creed, there is spoken of the Holy
Ghost and His work, who He is and what He does in order that we may be
partakers in the deliverance which Christ has merited for us.
Lord's Day 20
Q. 53. What dost thou believe... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 13 remember "Because we cannot be baptized again, we should not sin again. " |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 14 ZT
The most significant controversy to centre upon the sacrament of baptism has
arguably been the debate over whether it is legitimate to baptize infants o
r not(McGrath 443). In his most renowned work, Institutes of the Christian R
eligion, John Calvin takes up this issue endeavouring to prove that infant b
aptism is a divine institution(Wendel 324). Calvin declares that "infants ca
nnot be deprived of it[baptism] without open violation of the will of God"(I
nst.4, 16, 8). He reasons this prima... 阅读全帖 |
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 15 If Calvinists on this board would be as humble as you did in the biblestudy
club, I would not rebuke Calvinism everyday here.
There are many new and young Christians visiting this board. It is sad to
see them one day becoming a Calvinist. They believed God is love when
baptized, but now they would believe that God predestined most of us
including their grandparents to hell. Calvinists’ God is much worse than
Allah.
You take Calvinism as your personal belief. But I don’t want to see you
pr... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 16 Chapter 1
Of the Holy Scripture
1. Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and
providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of
God, as to leave men unexcusable;
a
yet are they not sufficient to give
that knowledge of God, and of his will, which is necessary unto
salvation.
b
Therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in
divers manners, to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his
a. Rom. 2:14–15. For when the Gentiles, which have not the la... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 17
音死后必下地狱受永远的折磨烧烤（在耶稣诞生后）。
，病死的小孩等等现在都在地狱被烧烤。
的观点，首先，这场地震本身就是神用来警惕/预告世人的（就如你说最近美东地震）
。这些死了的小孩子，学生只是附带的牺牲品而已。第二，他们作为牺牲品死了后接着
就下地狱被折磨。第三，可以想象一个造豆腐校楼的商人后来悔改信基督，死后上天堂
。于是，杀人者在天堂看他生前害死的小孩在地狱受折磨...
good questions!wake up brothers and sisters!
have you asked these questions when you got baptized? why not? who told you
this is what our Heavenly father will do to his children? who said our lord
Jesus will do this to your fellow men when he is coming back? |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 18 CHAPTER X
Of Effectual Calling
I. All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pl
eased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call,[216] by his
Word and Spirit,[217] out of that state of sin and death, in which they are
by nature, to grace and salvation, by Jesus Christ;[218] enlightening their
minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God,[219] taking
away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh;[220] renew
ing their w... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 19 Arminianism And State Churches
It could only be expected that Arminius's moderate and biblical view would a
ttract a large following. Many Protestant pastors, uncomfortable with the ex
tremes of Calvinism and with its militancy against those who disagreed, bega
n to see in Scripture and to preach the same modified Calvinism as Arminius.
They received considerable opposition from Calvinists wherever the latter w
ere in the majority and controlled public opinion. Furthermore, the Calvinis
ts, foll... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 20 What is the Atonement of Jesus Christ? Why was it necessary for Jesus Christ
to sacrifice His life?
---------It is impossible to put into words the full meaning of the
Atonement, which is the most important and most transcendent event in the
history of the world. Through His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and
on the cross, the Savior atoned for our sins. This is the good news for all
people!
We can’t fully understand how Jesus suffered for our sins. But we know that
in the Garden of Geths... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 21 Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does
not believe will be condemned. |
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R******d
发帖数: 644 | 22 有些教派是研究了圣经，认为圣经是这样讲的。我信天主教，所以我就说说天主教对下
地狱的观点吧。简要地说，就是不信基督教的不一定下地狱，不一定不得救。下文有点
长，但是写的挺通俗、挺清楚的。
"The Catholic church condemned and excommunicated those who said only formal
(baptized and registered in a parish) members of the Catholic Church are
saved. ... Since the Church believes in the universal salvific will of God -
that He offers everyone sufficient grace to be saved even though it is only
efficacious to those who accept and cooperate with it - there is also the
teaching that many non-Cathol... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 23 CHAPTER XXI
Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day
I. The light of nature showeth that there is a God, who hath lordship and so
vereignty over all, is good, and doth good unto all, and is therefore to be
feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the he
art, and with all the soul, and with all the might.[404] But the acceptable
way of worshiping the true God is instituted by himself, and so limited by h
is own revealed will, that he may not be worshiped according to... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 24 chapter 5.3 Resurrection Unto Newness Of Life
"If we have become united with him by the likeness of his death, we
shall be also be the likeness of his resurrection (Rom. 6:5).
Now with resurrection the figure is different because something new is
introduced. I am "baptized into his death", but I do not enter in quite
the same way into His resurrection, for, Praise the Lord! His
resurrection enters into me, imparting to me a new life. In the death
of the Lord the emphasis is ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 25 chapter 8.2 Faith Is Again The Key
As for forgiveness, so equally for the coming upon us of the Holy Spirit,
the whole question is one of faith. As soon as we see the Lord Jesus on the
Cross, we know our sins are forgiven; and as soon as we see the Lord Jesus
on the Throne, we know the Holy Spirit has been poured out upon us. The
basis upon which we receive the enduement of the Holy Spirit is not our
praying and fasting and waiting, but the exaltation of Christ. Those who
emphasize tarrying and ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 26 chapter 5.3 Resurrection Unto Newness Of Life
"If we have become united with him by the likeness of his death, we
shall be also be the likeness of his resurrection (Rom. 6:5).
Now with resurrection the figure is different because something new is
introduced. I am "baptized into his death", but I do not enter in quite
the same way into His resurrection, for, Praise the Lord! His
resurrection enters into me, imparting to me a new life. In the death
of the Lord the emphasis is ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 27 chapter 8.2 Faith Is Again The Key
As for forgiveness, so equally for the coming upon us of the Holy Spirit,
the whole question is one of faith. As soon as we see the Lord Jesus on the
Cross, we know our sins are forgiven; and as soon as we see the Lord Jesus
on the Throne, we know the Holy Spirit has been poured out upon us. The
basis upon which we receive the enduement of the Holy Spirit is not our
praying and fasting and waiting, but the exaltation of Christ. Those who
emphasize tarrying and ... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 28 CHAPTER XXIX
Of the Lord’s Supper
I. Our Lord Jesus, in the night wherein he was betrayed, instituted the sacr
ament of his body and blood, called the Lord’s Supper, to be observed in hi
s church, unto the end of the world, for the perpetual remembrance of the sa
crifice of himself in his death; the sealing all benefits thereof unto true
believers, their spiritual nourishment and growth in him, their further enga
gement in and to all duties which they owe unto him; and, to be a bond and p
ledge ... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 29 CHAPTER XXX
Of Church Censures
I. The Lord Jesus, as King and Head of his church, hath therein appointed a
government, in the hand of church officers, distinct from the civil magistra
te.[556]
II. To these officers the keys of the kingdom of heaven are committed; by vi
rtue whereof, they have power, respectively, to retain, and remit sins; to s
hut that kingdom against the impenitent, both by the Word, and censures; and
to open it unto penitent sinners, by the ministry of the gospel; and by abs
... 阅读全帖 |
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 30 11 yrs back when I came to US, I did not get baptized until recently. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 31
This key is, do you accept God's love -- do you accept Jesus Christ as your
savior, repent, get baptized and become a Christian? |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 32
This key is, do you accept God's love -- do you accept Jesus Christ as your
savior, repent, get baptized and become a Christian? |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 33
peacefully like sisters and brothers.
For the latter part, you have to be baptized to be a brother or sister in
the Body of Christ. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 34 Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does
not believe will be condemned. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 35 then Mark 16:16 is compromised. I think maybe it only applies to the Christ
ians in the first century
Mark 16: 15 He said to them, go into all the world and preach the gospel t
o all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoev
er does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany tho
se who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in ne
w tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink
deadly poiso... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 36 Hi, I'm Brianna
http://mormon.org/me/2XY3/
Why I am a Mormon
I was raised in a Christian home. But at about age 12 I started questioning
everything about religion. I became agnostic, and even became and atheist
when I was 14 for about 4 years. Then when I was 18, I embarked upon a
spiritual quest. I researched and partook in pretty much every type of
Christianity that exists. I also went to New Thought churches, was part of
the New Age. I studied and was involved in Buddhism, Zen, all forms of
E... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 37 Hi, I'm Elba
http://mormon.org/me/4JK5/
Why I am a Mormon
I had previously studied several creeds and denominations searching for the
truth and had come to the conclusion that there was not a true church of
Jesus Christ on the Earth, until the missionaries knocked on my door in
November of 1981 and presented The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints to me. I was baptized in the evening on December 27, 1981 in the
baptismal font at the Wilmette Stake, in Illinois, USA. I received the Holy
G... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 38 Hi, I'm Rick
http://mormon.org/me/1V0J/
Why I am a Mormon
In my youth my Grandmother was the primary religious influence in my life
and I would attend church with her. We attended the Assembly of God and
later a Pentecostal church. During my late teen years I began searching for
more. I studied various religions. I joined the Air Force at age 17 and
attended several different services during basic training. I studied Eastern
religions, Catholicism, Judaism, and various protestant denominations. ... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 39 Hi, I'm Ann Clariza Lei
http://mormon.org/me/47T0/
Why I am a Mormon
i was baptized and became a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-
Day Saints because i know in my heart that it is true, the gospel of Jesus
Christ helps me to know what is right, guides me into a straight and narrow
path, as well as it helps me determine my purpose in life, my existence and
my journey here on earth. I am a Mormon, I am a Child of God, and I Love
Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ... |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 40 Hi, I'm Dave
http://mormon.org/me/5RK8/
Why I am a Mormon
The missionaries tricked me during the first visit to our home. They gave
what is called a 'baptismal challenge'..."If we teach you the things we
believe, and you find out they are true, will you be baptized?". I thought
heck, how will they ever prove to me their beliefs are true... so I said yes.
Later I found out they believe much of what I had always believed and that
the Church had no paid clergy and did not pass the plate. I was pret... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 41 Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe
will be condemned. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 42 today, jym calls me airplane
tomorrow, I got baptized, guess what jym will call me?
he will call me heresy |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 43 Mr. Lin didnot believe trintiy.
Mr. Lin didnot believe the bible as God-breathed words.
Mr. Lin never went to church.
of course, he was not baptized |
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w******g
发帖数: 10018 | 44 If he was only baptized after born, then he is not saved at all. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 45 if you are a baptized Christian, I strongly suggest you to swallow this doct
rine no matter what. Otherwise, you will be treated as "heretics". Jym and
qiaqiafeng here will beat you to death. In the ancient times, you will be
burned.
also swallow the 基督教三大信经:
http://www.jidunet.cn/content/201103/0302134932011.html |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 46 I asked myself what I believed. I had never prayed a lot. I hoped hard, I
wished hard, but I didn't pray. I had developed a certain distrust of
organized religion growing up, but I felt I had the capacity to be a
spiritual person, and to hold some fervent beliefs. Quite simply, I believed
I had a responsiblity to be a good person, and that meant fair, honest,
hardworking, and honorable. If I did that, if I was good to my family, true
to my friends, if I gave back to my community or to some cause... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 47
呵呵，不知内情的人看了，的确好笑，可是，他跟其他人犯了同一个错误--就是
misrepresenting other people's religions belief.
There is baptism for the dead, all that does is allow the baptized person to
exercise their free will to join the church, it does NOT make them a church
member. It allows unbaptized dead to take advantage of the atonement, if
they choose to.
拿这个录像的例子，罗姆尼的岳父在灵的世界，可以选择信耶稣，也可以选择不信，继
续保持他原来的信仰状态，两种情况都有可能发生---因为他有神赐的选择权。 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 48 Are Mormons Christian?
Yes. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church
but is neither Catholic nor Protestant. Rather, it is a restoration of the
Church of Jesus Christ as originally established by the Savior in the New
Testament of the Bible. The Church does not embrace the creeds that
developed in the third and fourth centuries that are now central to many
other Christian churches.
Latter-day Saints believe God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to save all
mankind from dea... 阅读全帖 |
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C*****e
发帖数: 367 | 49 这里用我们表示是三个位格圣父圣子圣灵同工
见
太 28:19 所以，你们要去使万民作我的门徒，奉父子圣灵的名，给他们施洗(或作“给
他们施洗，归于父子圣灵的名。”)。 (CUVS)
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, (KJV) |
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m*t
发帖数: 34 | 50 You can guess the chance that a Chinese non-believer heard God's voice and
was told to "be born again, be baptized and become a Christian" in English.I
was a non-believer and seldom read Bible or attended any church activity,
when I confessed to God, God told me in English and asked me to become a
Christian, which is beyond my imagination and knowledge. I was totally
shocked and thrilled. |
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