y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 1 Your description is a little confusing.
The short stack should allin with A8o for sure, If big stack raises with A8o
, he should call with Aqo for sure. If big stack allin with aqo, he has A8o,
hmmm, he probably should fold.
Actually, the shorty should allin a ton, any ace, such as a2o+, k7s+, k8o+, q8s+, the big stack should not call him so lightly.
If the shorty dare not allin with A8o, he will bubble for sure.
However, if shorty allin with A8o, I guess the big chip leader and 2nd chip
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 2 From my knowledge, it is big money bubble situation, tough decision time.
Generally strategy is to avoid allin situations. You can allin w/27o, or
close to any two random cards, but you can not call so lightly, sometimes
you have to fold AKo. However, you need observe also, if one guy allin every
hand, you have to make marginal calls, since you bleed your chips quickly
in those situations.
Yesterday, I played a token game(15$ buyin ---> 75$ token ), After I
finished it as a bubble, and review th |
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l*****o
发帖数: 19235 | 3 allin allin.
今晚我给自己开个送钱盘。 |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 4 该开仓放粮把赌徒们喂肥点再宰了
allin allin.
今晚我给自己开个送钱盘。 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 5 It comes last night game. Three players left. The chip ratio is around 6:4:2.
The top two have the entry (200+15). The 3rd has tiny money(let =0).
Final hand, short stack at SB(=7.5BB) allin on 3BB (chip lead) from btn; btn
call.
SB has AQo and BTN has A8o.
Odds, SB has 70% chance to win and BTN has 30% (rough #).
Outcome, BTN win with a low staight with 8.
Benefit, me at BB to take a ride.
THE QUEST, should the Short-stack allin or fold?!
If he wins, all players are chip-even and he and 2/3 cha |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 6 8$ buy-in/r+a, turbo statellite for 500+35$ entry.
I have stack 380,000(9.5BB) and the average chip. The top 10 will have the
entry and 19 players left. 700,000 chip will ensure one entry since one big
stack there (1.6MM).
I am at BB with KJo. The SB has 330,000 allin. The blinds were 20K/40K. The
blinds go up every 5 minutes. Will you call the allin?! |
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p*******m
发帖数: 20761 | 7 【 以下文字转载自 PDA 讨论区 】
发信人: pathdream (求包养), 信区: PDA
标 题: allin aapl啊 大屏快来了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 27 16:50:53 2014, 美东)
allin aapl啊 大屏快来了 |
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f******o
发帖数: 2469 | 8 267b allin 下面出什么牌？ 替我帝担忧啊 |
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j*****e
发帖数: 11116 | 9 名人效应
徐家汇 名字也唬人 tmd黄金地段啊 100%涨
allin |
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X*****s
发帖数: 2767 | 10 又赖在地上打滚了。
timol (quant) 发于 Sat May 31 00:28:45 2014, 美东, 信区: Stock
标 题: Re: allin ASTC
是啊，这世道只有恶人赚钱，你才明白？再去看看版规第一条是啥，YMYD！青蛙跟了我
赚了钱分我利润吗？
【 myfree2007 (不动如山) 提到:】
如果你是自己买了，在这里喊，即使股价跌了，倒也没关系，大家都有喊错的时候。
但是如果你是明里喊买，暗地偷偷卖，这就很恶劣了。......
回复转贴更多... |
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h********e
发帖数: 95 | 11 大师牛！
跟着大师allin ASTC赚翻了！ |
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 12 这个和你投入的钱多钱少有关吧？
如果钱少的话，分散有什么意义？
钱多的还ALLIN，就有点赌博性质了。 |
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k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 13 我钱多，allin中信了
[在 THR (???) 的大作中提到：]
：这个和你投入的钱多钱少有关吧？
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t***l
发帖数: 3644 | 14 just borrowed a lot of money and allin aDD more! |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 16 明天再allin
本来四位数，发了包子就成三位数了 |
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x****h
发帖数: 6590 | 22 我运气好一点，已经快两周了，估计好日子也不长了
[在 Acartia (深水鱼) 的大作中提到：]
：昨天allin了最后五注，也颗粒无收
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T*U
发帖数: 22634 | 24 这是最后一场比赛，前面几场先赚点在allin, 多转几圈。 |
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c********e
发帖数: 267 | 26 graph is clear.
It seems that your allin EV is always around 0 (-200
understanding it wrong? |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 27 he has <1/2 pot of yours. It is ok to shove( I would do so). Fold is fine
also.
Many times, he has KTs/KJs. If he has AK/AQ, he will allin. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 11 left, depends on the shortest stack, if I have the mid-size stack
comparing to others , I may should AA preflop.
19 left, still far away from money, since 10 ppl get paid, I still need
selective gambling. I will gamble with aq+, tt+ to call other's allin. Will
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 29 Thanks a lot.
Actually I called. The guys has Q2o and I have KJo. He flop Q on flop and I
hit J on river and I get wiped out later. I knew I has ahead but marginally.
It is always very tricky. If I double up, I surely am at a very confortable place.
But since AJ is a marginable hand, KJo surely is also.
Yesterday, 8$ for 500+35 entry. 9 players left, 7 get entry and 8th gets 200$
$. I was at SB w/ AQo. Btn tanks a while and allin. I have 3.5BB and he have 4.
3BB. I call. BTN has 78o and I have A |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 30 Yesterday, 8$ for 500+35 entry. 9 players left, 7 get entry and 8th gets 200$
$. I was at SB w/ AQo. Btn tanks a while and allin. I have 3.5BB and he have
4.
3BB. I call. BTN has 78o and I have AQo. AND I lost(he hit 7 on turn and I
hit nothing). It made me really pissed off. |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 31 bvb KJo基本够好了吧
我看到高等级的6max里面 bvb KJ算是在4-bet allin range里面 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 32 lol. you can see many these hero call from these European donks ,especially
in low limit game. I have seen Russian donk limp/calling allin with 75o
first hand. |
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m*****g
发帖数: 3029 | 33 AA allin preflop
KK called me and sucked me out
no good
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 34 preflop allin A3dd vs A9hs
flop AXX, XX broadway card, turn is 9
A3dd goes from 35.5% equity on the flop, to 58% equity on the turn.
WHY? |
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c********e
发帖数: 267 | 35 graph is clear.
It seems that your allin EV is always around 0 (-200
understanding it wrong? |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 36 你这个帖子里有很多point值得思考。
我想了很久，我觉得我的point也有理由，不过我打online时间很短，限于我打的时间
和水平不够，也有可能我对online的理解达不到那个层次。
说一下我的point。
首先在这个例子中我说的特意降低bet size，是指的在YYx这样的flop上，我打的size
低于top straight的牌力。而你说的bet size应该打的大，并不是特指这种情况。在
XYZ这样的正常flop上，（如果我有top straight）我在turn和river上也会打的很大。
scripps 在另一帖中说，在这种YYx这种flop上，对方没有牌，你很难赢到什么钱。我
加一句，如果双方都有牌，（triple以上）不管你打得多小，最终pot都会搞得很大。
因为这种flop牌力是跳升的，要不就没，要不就很大。而在XYZ这种flop上，你拿TPTK
，对方拿TPNK,你不打的大，对方未必会打。所以在正常flop上，有好牌往大打是对的
。但在YYx的flop上，打的小不会miss对方的two pair，同时能减小nuts对你的伤害，
也不会miss中间的triple和... 阅读全帖 |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 37 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 38 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 39 Yeah. I also notice what causes the biggest problem here is the preflop re-
raise size. It works sometimes, but does not mean it is good play. In this
peticular hand, if there is no cold-caller, I will not 3Bet so big. However,
if I 3bet so big, and get called, there is no good option for me.
I agree everything what you have said.
When one shorter stacker( 60BB or 50BB effective) opens from early position
and get called by one cold caller, flating with AK/TT,JJ should be the best
option. Just pl... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 40 Yes, an allin or check-raise allin is to either scare opponents away, or
force them to call on lower odds.From this point, half pot bet is not the
best option.But sometimes even if you allin, someone with J,Q will still
call, hoping to hit straight.So eventually it was bad luck that caused your
loss.On flop when everyone was allin, the odds are: you 65%, Q,J: 27%; 9,9:
4.5%.The situation was a big favor for you, but you got bad luck.
I would think this is a bad beat and while allin and a half p |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 41 have seen isil play AA the same way as Patric did. lose 580k pot to ziig.
So, I guess if preflop get 3bet, or 4bet, it is easy allin.
Because all these high stack regular are super aggressive, you can not wait
nuts to allin(at that point, no one will call u).
From my observation, isil get allin very ridiculous, even he has A895 no
pair preflop, flop one pair of 5, he will go allin.
minutes ago, 400k pot, isil tjk8, flop 578, no flush draw for isil, isil
calls allin. pA has AA34. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 42 I have two goals. 1) win WSOP package. It did not happen.
2) Win a MTT. I mean win it not just at final table. I had a few final
tables.
But either made mistakes or go for deal. Have not happened yet. But one
month
to try. Might MiniFTOP is place to go.
Last weekend, at one final table made silly mistake wtice. Call allin from
short stack TWICE. 1) raise 2.4BB at CO w/ A8s and call allin from SB (1/4
chip). SB had JJ and held. 2) SB limpin and BB/I raise to 3BB. SB allin (1/3
chip), I tank(I kno... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 43 Hero is 3bet bluffing preflop to represent an over pair.
On the flop, hero is bluffing again to represent an over pair.
On the turn, hero semibluffing, and represent an over pair.
On the river, hero knows that utg+2 does not have flush(because he has ace
spade in the hand, utg+2 is unlikely to chase a baby flush draw on the flop, Plus if utg
+2 indeed has the flush draw, he will repop on the turn, because he does not have the Ace of spade).
on the same time, hero knows utg+2 have one pair(, 88-... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 44 you are the smallest stack so lets temporarily assume ICM does not play. So
it is all about chip EV.
The best scenario you can triple your stack and also win the blinds+ante. So
you are risking 24k to become a 80k stack. So you need 30% allin equity.
AJ certainly wont have 30% allin equity if 3-way allin preflop. You are
basically hoping that HJ has guts and reshove and kick CO out of the pot. If
that happens, you will have 30% chance 2-way allin against HJ. Otherwise if
HJ just calls then you a... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 45 Yes, an allin or check-raise allin is to either scare opponents away, or
force them to call on lower odds.From this point, half pot bet is not the
best option.But sometimes even if you allin, someone with J,Q will still
call, hoping to hit straight.So eventually it was bad luck that caused your
loss.On flop when everyone was allin, the odds are: you 65%, Q,J: 27%; 9,9:
4.5%.The situation was a big favor for you, but you got bad luck.
I would think this is a bad beat and while allin and a half p |
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e*****n
发帖数: 873 | 46 亲兄弟还要明算账，关乎于钱的事情肯定要说清楚啊。别人要是说这个hot可以allin，
小护士们肯定都会跟神医确认一下收不收，多少钱收再allin吧。。。不管是不是被包
养，正常小护士的逻辑都会跟神医确认完在in吧。hot和allin这两个词在怎么翻译也没
有肯定收货的意思吧。。。ebiz时不时都会有人说hot allin。真正in的人肯定也是自
己分析有利润才in的。in完后也不会找说hot的人让他收吧。。。。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 47 Because your bet on turn already made you pot committed.
You didn't allin on turn, but it was equal to allin.
Three options:
1.Allin.
The guy would most likely fold. You win $22 from him.
2.Reraise to $66.
The guy had 8% chance to hit fullhouse.
If he didn't hit,and then you allin, he would most likely to call .
Totally win $66+$136=about $200
If he hit, you lose $66+$136=about $200.
3.Call on turn and check on river, the guy would bet for sure.
If he didn't hit, then let's say he bet $50, and y |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 48 you can also limp with AK in early positions and reraise big when button
tries to steal. When out of position, it's also not a bad play to
reraise allin with AK, but you have to balance the allin reraise with KK
sometimes, otherwise, good players may realize you only reraise allin
with AK and call you down with pairs. For AA, it's actually best to reraise
a good amount, but not allin to attract more money.
Also, Sklansky recomment a deep limp strategy, when there is a limper or two,
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 49 lol
do not know, that hand he has to allin on the flop.
Maybe just your luck is better than his in that game.
I probably will play the same way, allin with second pair.
if that pot is not that huge, I might fold 2nd pair. But allin or fold, both
are ok. Need luck to win!
I watched hand history again. Sounds you make a mistake, you can call, instead of re-raise there, because he could easily have top pair there. You call, and see what he is doing on the turn. then allin.
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