m****g
发帖数: 3975 | 1 我们用的潜水服, 但比潜水要求低的多. 我们目的是保证落水后CORE BODY不失温给出
自救和团队救更多的机会.
3MM的全身能提供>4倍在水中生存时间, 40F的水温估计可以>2个钟头. 也没有接口问题.
我们最长一次落水好象是我, 10分钟在高水位的COLORADO.
Alaska大部分水只有III或以下, 就是说落水的次数不会多,或落水时间不会长, 大河问
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d**p
发帖数: 1800 | 2 semi dry是功能设计上的东西，跟厚度没有必然联系
另外，3mm的wet suit在40f的水里泡两个小时对绝大部分人来说都是不现实的
而且潜水的衣服不透气，穿着划船那是相当难受。划船用的dry suit跟潜水的都不一样
，那是有原因的。
还是先租来穿着试试再决定买不买吧 |
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m****g
发帖数: 3975 | 3 我们的确有好些在<40F水里游泳的经验, WETSUIT起到很关键的作用, 但时间<5M, 还看
不出冰水的杀伤力, 我们这次要定位衣服够在35F里游半个钟头的保护. |
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m****g
发帖数: 3975 | 4 我们的确有好些在<40F水里游泳的经验, WETSUIT起到很关键的作用, 但时间<5M, 还看
不出冰水的杀伤力, 我们这次要定位衣服够在35F里游半个钟头的保护. |
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d**r
发帖数: 352 | 5 外面肯定还得套。他们的只能用到40F，还得是运动中。 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 6 if you are active at 40F, all you need is a pair of shorts and a long sleeve
t-shirt. that's what I wear when I run in 35F temperature without sun |
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发帖数: 257 | 7 Charcoal Kilns, 建于1870年代，Swiss design, Chinese labor。 用山间碎石和水泥
砌成， 保存非常良好， 一字排开，很壮观。 遥想当年一群留着辫子的中国人，漂洋
过海， 来到沙漠中间， 扎营，碎石， 徒手砌炭窑， 砍树，烧炭， 不知怎么的，忽
然有一种前世今生的感觉。
在 Wildrose Trail 上骑自行车， 单程4miles， 上两个小时， 下来仅用45分钟。很
好玩。 背景是Telescope Peak.
Telescope Peak Trailhead.
冬季爬山有风险， Ranger要求进山出山要sign in , sign out.
上trail没多久就可以看到Telescope, 望山跑死马， 用了4小时才登顶。
顶上可以看到Mt Whitney.
下方为死亡谷， 但不知道Badwater具体在哪里。
另一边是Panamint Valley.
顶上基本没雪，很反常的一年。 Trail上有雪， 用冰爪上去的。
极目远眺，可达百里以外，不愧望远镜之名。
最后小小bso一下。山上白天气温近40f， 风速低于10mph。 今年第一个... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 654 | 8 如果Bivy套在睡袋外面，的确暖和个5－10F的,我用过好几次。但是，如果你的睡袋是
羽绒的，你人身上的水气（即使不出汗，也有水气）透过羽绒，会凝结在bivy bag的内
层，羽绒湿了就不保暖了。即使bivy的面料是防水透气的，比如gore-tex,也会因为低
温下饱和蒸汽压低的原因在bivy bag的内层结冷凝水珠，除非天气很冷，结的是霜。我
遇到过几次结霜的情况，用的是最透气的 eVent面料的bivy，还有霜。
我还有个很便宜的，超轻的bivy是我自己用silnylon缝的一个大口袋，上周在Tuolumne
backpacking用了，套在睡袋外面，睡袋是湿了也保暖的primaloft, 所以不担心潮气
、水气的问题。那晚外面18F, 帐篷里面26F, 我用的是40F TNF propel, 套自制bivy,
里层水珠能流下来。但是primaloft依然保暖，我没有觉得冷。 |
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发帖数: 654 | 9 各人的体质和抗寒程度不同。
就说我们三个人上周末在Tuolumne backcountry的经历吧, 海拔9800ft, 18F outside
temp/26F inside the tent,雪地，晚上下雪4英寸。
A: 睡Z-lite foam pad, 2/3长的，用15F 睡袋;
B: 睡Z-lite foam pad, 2/3长的，用40F 睡袋套个bivy, 穿down puffy;
c: 睡 thermarest pro4全长的，用一个wM 15F bag套一个WM 20F bag.
mountain
carry? |
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发帖数: 654 | 10 如果气温60－70度，那是有人会光着膀子走路也出汗的。但是我想大部分人不会30F或
者20F的气温下光着膀子走路也出汗的吧？我说的是见到有人在30－40F的情况下，穿了
很多hiking,然后热得汗流浃背的. |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 11 Re. fuel efficiency, nothing beats Reactor.
A couple of trips for reference: last season, the 4 of us climbed Rainier in
2 days and used only 1 canister. There was no running water and we drank
like fish (for acclimitization).
this weekend, a team of 8 used less than 1 canister for a 2 day trip, we had
running water (40F)
jetboil's efficiency is way less
what is 支架管子和胶布? I have an ultralight bivy sack (mountain hardwear SL
) that weighs 14 OZ. I had survived a night in a snow cave in Feb. my
reg... 阅读全帖 |
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m*******a
发帖数: 363 | 12 i tend to get cold.
have a 20 F sleeping bag, camped at a 30F and 40F places.
my feet got numb from cold.
maybe my bag is not good.
so i just wanted to make sure i wont be frozen to death next time.. hehe. |
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c*****n
发帖数: 14445 | 13 Date: May 4th, Sunday, 2014
Route: South Kaibab down, Bright Angel up
Lived in Bright Angel Lodge at night
4:30am: got up
5:00am: took the fist Hiker Express bus to South Kaibab trailhead
5:30am: Arrived at the South Kaibab trailhead, started hiking down, took 3L
water (Gaterade). Gust, strong wind over 30mph, temperature < 40F
5:36am: sunrise time (theoretically), but the sun was behind the heavy
clouds until 7am
6:50am: Skeleton Point (3 mile)
7:00am: Sun came out behind the clouds, started to... 阅读全帖 |
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l****u
发帖数: 152 | 14 独立日那周在ONP kalanoch 和South beach住了四晚，20F的睡袋热，晚上睡觉不冷，
但早晚不在帐蓬里，风吹着有点凉，带件防风的外套和长裤就行了，mt rainier几个宿
营地晚上最低气温都是40F，我们没在那里住。可能会冷。树林里蚊子比较厉害，但
South Beach没蚊子 |
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D***a
发帖数: 471 | 15 不好意思原贴写错了， 要20F的。这是40F嗒。有必要买一个down的吗？ |
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E***e
发帖数: 3430 | 16 55F羽绒睡袋会不会太热啊？没试过。
55F的温度，小海岛上，40F的睡袋能行吗？
谢谢！ |
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f*******g
发帖数: 3304 | 19 对我而言， 3：15BQ （36－39）还很遥远，因为mileage远不够。全马的变数太大
3：20 BQ (40-44) 还是有些可能。
刚参加完公路半马，6：59 PACE, 算是一年来最好的一次, 跑完后也感觉轻松。
1:30 的半马对我是大坎，好像怎么也提高不了这1－2分钟。
昨天团聚PARTY,吃的太多，但控制了一下没喝啤酒，喝了几杯鸡尾酒。睡的晚，睡得不
沉。在火车上喝了半瓶对水的红牛（好东东，建议赛前或赛后喝点），连赶是赶，总算
赛前几分钟搞定号码，挤到靠前位置。
本来比较担心温度（20F)，结果还不错有40f，滴了几滴雨。但是大半程顶风，狂大。
庆幸穿了防风的LONG SLEEVE，带了手套。 最后3MILE 终于上了顺风路。
有趣的是，绝大多数人成绩都比上个月的半马慢‘许多’，但名次提高不少。往常我前
后总是一堆堆的人超与被超，这次前面是一字大雁面，稀稀拉拉。 离终点还有一百米
，一GUY非要冲刺超我，我也和他干了90米，最终为能让他得逞。几年来第一次能挤进
前200名。估计不少NUTS缺席了 |
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发帖数: 110 | 20 Did my first Half Marathon this morning in Fort Worth, 1:43:16
It was cold whole time, temperature was around 40F, really windy, felt
around freezing point.
Started the race with several fellow runners in the same training group at
slow pace... first 3 miles was at 9:50, 9:05, 8:49, but couldnt warm up
enough at this pace, my fingers were frozen.
Decided to run on my own from mile 4, next 4 miles were at 8:14, 7:22, 7:37,
7:47... passed half pace group 1:55 and two marathon pace groups during
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 21 40多F不至于冰棍吧。我40F下雨还穿短裤，长袖T shirt |
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i*********s
发帖数: 2451 | 22 40F天气好？
能不能介绍一下你的行头
今天local跑了10k,我快冻僵了~ |
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i*********s
发帖数: 2451 | 23 17日晚吃中餐buffet，还灌了半听啤酒，结果是，太撑了，12点还睡不着。看了一会儿
Chicago Marathon的录像，决定明天还是穿防风外套和短裤。一点才睡。
早上，一杯咖啡一个bagel，半根香蕉，半瓶佳得乐。忙忙呼呼，等到比赛地点，已经
在唱国歌了。
那就跑吧。
没跑多远，就发现MP3没电，手套也忘带了。气温40F左右，但是风大，20mph左右，手
冻僵了。Local的比赛，大多数人是跑5K和10K的。开始都跑的很快。没有音乐隔绝，很
容易受周围人的影响，我也跟着快，结果是1mile左右，就开始感觉岔气了。
更糟的是，1-2.5 mile是一段上坡，升高80ft 左右，很吃力。一边提醒自己慢点跑，
一边想，要不5K turn around算了。
到了5K的岔路口，已经是下坡了，身体也慢慢适应了。心有转念：要不10K试试。
继续向前。还算平顺。
4.5 mile 处是10K的turn around，又要做决定了，向前，又是一个很大的坡，升100ft
左右，外加很大的逆风，很可能跑不完，没有成绩；回头，至少还能有个10K的成绩。
不知道我怎么想的，可能脚不会转弯了，又是向前。 |
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l***h
发帖数: 9308 | 24 很真实，也很佩服2年还在坚持的菜鸟，我也争取2年之内跑个半马
17日晚吃中餐buffet，还灌了半听啤酒，结果是，太撑了，12点还睡不着。看了一会儿
Chicago Marathon的录像，决定明天还是穿防风外套和短裤。一点才睡。
早上，一杯咖啡一个bagel，半根香蕉，半瓶佳得乐。忙忙呼呼，等到比赛地点，已经
在唱国歌了。
那就跑吧。
没跑多远，就发现MP3没电，手套也忘带了。气温40F左右，但是风大，20mph左右，手
冻僵了。Local的比赛，大多数人是跑5K和10K的。开始都跑的很快。没有音乐隔绝，很
容易受周围人的影响，我也跟着快，结果是1mile左右，就开始感觉岔气了。
更糟的是，1-2.5 mile是一段上坡，升高80ft 左右，很吃力。一边提醒自己慢点跑，
一边想，要不5K turn around算了。
到了5K的岔路口，已经是下坡了，身体也慢慢适应了。心有转念：要不10K试试。
继续向前。还算平顺。
4.5 mile 处是10K的turn around，又要做决定了，向前，又是一个很大的坡，升100ft
左右，外加很大的逆风，很可能跑不完，没有成绩；回头，至少还能有 |
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发帖数: 2651 | 26 Looks like another solid 13 miles under your belt. Congrats!
Your report is a good read. Thanks!
I did my make-up long run on Sunday morning. I ran 12 miles
on my neighborhood streets at avg. 9:20 pace.(Thanks to my new 305)
I stepped out my house at 7:10am, and it was so cold (around 40F)
and sunny (right, the sun already came out here in Tri-Valley).
I thought I could warm up in 15min, but it turned out my hands
and arms were still freezing after 30min or so. I thought it might
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 27 What I do is this:
>50F, singlet or T-shirt
40-50F, singlet or T-shirt + gloves
30-40F, singlet+armwarmer or long sleeve T-shirt + gloves + headband
20-30F, double layer with long sleeve or tights + gloves + headband
0-20F, double layer with tights + thick gloves + headband/hat
<0F, above plus facemask or scarf |
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c*********n
发帖数: 2120 | 28 The weather was said to be around 40F from last night's check, however,
somehow I stuck to my short and T-shirt when I left my apartment. When I was
waiting for my 305 to warm up at 6:40am, I felt a little chilly and saw the
construction builders wearing their gloves and big jackets.
It is not too bad and the only problem was that my arms were frozen almost
all the time. When I past the temperature sign at mile 3, it showed 41F.
As the body warmed up, I could push myself little by little. My hea |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 29 It was very cold this morning in Southern California too. I actually woke up
by the 40F cold. I wore shorts to run to the gym, and also got stared by
Mexican construction workers. After 3 miles warm up, I felt much better. :D
was
the
started |
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l***h
发帖数: 9308 | 30 是啊，一个月前，到tjmax兜了一圈，手套只有女式的，还都不是跑步用的。保护耳朵
的head band需要吗？如果在35-40F时候跑步的话 |
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c*********n
发帖数: 2120 | 31 I am curious how far can you push yourself under 40F with or without double
layer. |
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s*s
发帖数: 283 | 32 请教一下大虾们。最近在30-40F左右穿短裤跑步，发现右大腿内侧酸痛，好几个礼拜了
也不好，不知道是不是因为天冷引起的，是不是应该穿长裤，但又觉得穿长裤太累赘。
有经验的给说说怎么办好。 |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 33 Distance: 22 miles
Duration: 2:51:06.19
Pace: 7:47 / mile
Notes: 22mi Progressive HR long run.
Run only by target HR, without looking at pace.
Plan:
6mi (slight downhill) HR 140
6mi (slight uphill) HR 145
5mi (slight downhill) HR 150
5mi (slight uphill) HR 155
1 Gel at after 17th mile.
Start to drink water after 12th mile, total 8oz.
weather: 40F at start, 50F midrun, 60F at finish.
Max HR ~185, target marathon race HR 160-165 (4mi-24mi).
Result:
Pace Avg HR
8:27 141
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发帖数: 3826 | 34 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
baiji (白) 于 (Sun Jan 31 14:07:09 2010, 美东) 提到:
Distance: 22 miles
Duration: 2:51:06.19
Pace: 7:47 / mile
Notes: 22mi Progressive HR long run.
Run only by target HR, without looking at pace.
Plan:
6mi (slight downhill) HR 140
6mi (slight uphill) HR 145
5mi (slight downhill) HR 150
5mi (slight uphill) HR 155
1 Gel at after 17th mile.
Start to drink water after 12th mile, total 8oz.
weather: 40F at start, 50F midrun, 60F at finish.
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 35 德州那么冷？我这里最冷也就是40F而已。
20+mph wind太恶劣了... |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 38 40F只有4C， 我要穿个背心就要打哆嗦了。。。 |
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f*******n
发帖数: 5241 | 39 对不起，有点长。：（
1 缘起
去年的某个时候，我在举重版说我有几个小小的梦想，具体到近期的目标好像是：
20 Pullups
BP Bodyweight
5K Sub25
Marathon
我还说先练速度，马拉松反正以后年纪再大些也可以跑。而且速度快了跑马拉松也不用
那么久的时间。谁知其他目标还没有达到，反而先跑了个马拉松。主要是夏天回国以后
回来，发觉右膝盖练Squats的时候会疼，试着跑了一下倒没事，就想找个计划练一下。
查了下，12周后有这个Rock 'n' Roll Marathon & ½。半马对我来说不够刺激。我
从来没参加过任何race，随便怎么跑都是PR，但半马的距离如果只是完成太没挑战性了
。可是此前半年多一次都没跑过，12周下来能跑全马吗？完全没有把握，遂决定先按全
马的计划练，如果不行反正随时跑个半马不会有问题。
2 训练
选用什么训练计划颇费周章。我很欣赏FIRST的理念，可看了一下书中那些马拉松训练
计划的最低要求，我差得也太多了。比如它说要能完成15-20mile的long run，可我半
年没跑了不说，以前最多也只跑过一次半马的距离。最后选... 阅读全帖 |
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T****a
发帖数: 4651 | 40 i bought a mizuno breath thermal jacket from a local running store. it's
feather light and it turns sweat into heat, excellent for 40F weather (like
this morning), and you only need a base layer underneath. there are gloves
and tights made of the same material.
you may be able to find a good deal online.
running at the onset of snow is a lot of fun, the air feels super clean. but
as snow starts to accumulate and slippery surface becomes hazardous, you
need to know when to stop.
套吧 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 41 22 miles/2:42:32, perfect cool mid 40F weather, fueled with iskiate before
the run, didn't bring water, made 5 quick stops at water fountains, no gels.
Splits are
8:54, 8:00, 8:23, 8:10, 8:04, 8:00, 7:36, 7:13, 7:13, 7:13, 6:58, 6:51, 6:48
, 7:04, 6:51, 6:38, 6:57, 6:50, 7:00, 6:56, 7:29, 7:23.
Started very easy, unsure whether I could or wanted to do a pace run.
Started to get loose after 7 miles. After 10 miles, I started to follow a
mid aged stocky looking guy. We ran side by side at around 6... 阅读全帖 |
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m**h
发帖数: 618 | 42 i got a real thin wind breaker jacket from North Face. Was running last
night at around 40F. Only gloves, shorts and T. Actually sweat under the
jacket a lot.
So my guess is wind breaker is more effective than arm warmer? |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 43 40F is my threshold. I can't wear shorts anymore at that temperture
otherwise I get red rash on the thigh |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 44 40F is a perfect temperature to run a good race. you guys enjoy it! |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 45 It's about time.
It was still dark 6am in the morning, about 40F in Tokyo. Headed out from my
hotel to Ueno park. Though I
haven't been out on the road in three weeks, my strides felt super smooth
and my legs felt strong and
springy. I would hit 6:30 pace with ease. In the park I met a group of 12
high school looking kids, running
together, in two lines side by side, exactly like in the movies. Since I
didn't know my way, I followed them for
a little bit. In Tokyo the pedestrians wait for the tr... 阅读全帖 |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 46 今天降温到40F，大风。
我慢跑2迈到附近high school track，感觉没热好身就开始3k time trial了。
dist lap time AvgHR MaxHR
200m 0:46.2 126 150
400m 1:30.9 157 161
400m 1:28.8 165 168
400m 1:27.9 169 171
400m 1:28.8 173 176
400m 1:29.8 174 178
400m 1:28.7 175 181
400m 1:25.4 176 183
总时间: 11:06.47， pace: 5:58/mi。
心率看起来像是10k race...只有最后两圈比较痛苦。
冲击11分钟失败，但是也算是PR了。（大学时最快纪录只有11:25左右）
跑完休息了10分钟，再跑了3x1000m interval，然后收工。 |
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c*********n
发帖数: 2120 | 47 没这么冷在外面跑过，（开始跑20F,3个小时后40F)
现在有两种办法：
1。穿短裤（最想这么穿，不知道会有多悲惨）
2。短裤下穿一条秋裤，这个之前倒是穿过，但也没跑这么远 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 48 俺40F就要开始哆嗦了， 20F估计要穿羽绒服了。。 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 49 but this ain't summer :). I run in 90% humidity and 40F half of the year. |
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 50 上星期4还是-5 F
今天。就39F 快40F了。。据说今天最高60F+
hoho, 2月份穿短裤。。不错:) |
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