w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 1 对方4bet size也很小（是否说明对方手里也不是好牌？）。这么小的size lz只要有个
对就应该call。因为光从hit set的概率就是正EV。
至于lz preflop 3bet加大size，我想这不符合lz的style。如果平时lz 3bet都是很好
的牌，当然3bet的size大点没问题。但是lz 3bet的频率很高。如果用的size太大，就
会是负ev。换句话说，lz平时用垃圾牌3bet都用大 size，lz从对方没好牌时fold所赢得
钱，要少于对方有好牌反击时lz的损失。如果lz拿到好牌时才加大size，又给对方提供
了tell。
我想此例中对方4bet size那么小，一种是有试探性质，还有就是准备和lz做postflop
对抗。至于400NL的这种对抗的特点，我们一点也不知道。所以要真正了解这种情况应
该怎么打，只有在400NL打多了，才能清楚。
如果400NL 4bet很频繁的话，QQ allin也是个选择。 |
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n*******y
发帖数: 3337 | 2 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 今天早上有人告诉俺这个大坑，专门到这个不常来的版面看看。
作为德州扑克版版主，qing78俺们都比较熟悉，发过一些很好的贴子，最近自己也说打
得不好，所以没脸见人。赢的时候也看得出来很高兴，说自己是学生，这几千还是很激
动的，也提到过你，说你很担心。
婚姻，学业角度别人已经说了很多，俺只是从打牌的角度说，你LG的确是象个赌徒而非
牌手。这个涉及金钱的游戏，说别人都没有一点赌性是不可能的，但是这个是自己控制
的问题，别说你LG，就是顶尖高手Johnny Moss，死的时候也是一文不名。
你LG经常是在50NL里面比如说赢了100块，然后觉得不过瘾，去打400NL，那里可是鲨鱼
迷布，一晚上输上万都有可能，而他又不具备这样的技术水平，急于求成，指望一夜暴
富是不可能的。你可能也知道durrrr，已经是天才级选手，从$50起家，３年内打到300
万，输回到100万，又上升到900万，现在又回去了。他已经是全世界公认的天才，尚且
如此，更别提一般人。
你LG可能是对现实学业的倦怠，所以有不切实际的希望在扑克上，这个太本末倒置了。
好好和他谈谈，告诉他俺的话，不要再害自己了，他和俺们版面大家一样 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 comfort!
my guess would be since you're playing quite differert stakes (50NL to 400NL
) and games (full ring to HU), you don't really have enough confidence all
the time to do what you think is the best.
for example, one play that you're perfectly fine with (and properly
bankrolled with) in 0.25/0.5 games may be a very marginal situation for you
in 2/4. or you could comfortably play "creatively" in 0.25/0.5 for certain
hands, yet you play a much stronger hand "timidly" in 2/4, because losing
wou |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 7 Thank you for your advice!
I think what you said is exactly what happened. I just can't be creative in
$2/4. I used to be creative in $2/4 when I won a lot in this stake, I had
confidence, I had bankroll, but now it is totally different. I can feel I
play really bad sometimes but can't adjust. I think choose the right stake
level is critical.
400NL
you |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 8
I'd say 4. Getting into 5. It seems very hard to get level 6 though as fcf
said. 30 buyins swing at 400NL would be too much for me. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 9 I saw Durrrr played last weekend with jungleman12. Durrrr lost at least half
a million, upto my obversation. Later I check Durrrr lost more than 600K.
They are playing 200/400NL HU. FCF is playing 1000/2000NL?! Wow. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 no, you got it wrong.
200/400NL is very high stake or so called nose bleeding ones.
fcf's is 1000NL (or $5/10NL) or 2000NL ($10/20NL).
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 11 What is the buy-in for 50NL? Wondering whether to have fun once or not.
I see you open 5/7 table at FTP, all above 400NL. |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 12 I become a winner almost right away at 50nl and I never had much trouble
moving up except 2 levels, 400nl and 2000nl. I thought about hiring a
coaching but never really did for holdem, I have watched plenty of videos
and had a few good poker friends to discuss poker along the way, we pretty
much coached each other as we moved up in stakes. I don't remember when I
started getting training site membership, maybe when I was playing 100nl or
something (so like 3 weeks after I started playing serio |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 15 400NL， 166个bb就是600多刀，half house。。。
一天10个小时12k+
一年打300天，可以赚接近4个M！！！！ |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 16
10
HU cash is drying down now. not many fish you can catch. some
pro HU cash play start to play HUSNG. HU has big swing, so not blame
yourself for bad play. there are some luck factor as well.
BTW, I saw that like0371 play 40/80 NL 6 max yesterday. I
played with him on 400NL b4. 2p2 said he jumps level very fast. guess
isurdur1 style. |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 18 好文。I like the way you set up the whole betting strcuture to be able to
take the initiative. 看你的贴，觉得你的style和我知道的一个Limit高手比较像。
昨天看他在玩200/400NL两个多小时赢了30K+，真是不得不佩服他。和他打过几次40/80
，基本很难看到他的牌。。。。。
different
tilt,
to
or
play
on |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 19 而两个月前从万恶的lock取的钱还遥遥无期……
bovada的特点是全是匿名桌，没法用hud。优点是鱼非常非常非常多，200NL和400NL的
水平比ACR上NL100的水平差了好多。我一般开一两桌当live打…… |
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c**********0
发帖数: 197 | 20 刚刚开了个户。存了40刀。确实像live. Limp的多，action也好。
而两个月前从万恶的lock取的钱还遥遥无期……bovada的特点是全是匿名桌，没法用
hud。优点是鱼非常非常非常多，200NL和400NL的水平比ACR上NL100的水平差了好.....
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 21 昨天试着玩了会6max 400NL, 问问大家对这手牌有什么建议.
CO: ~$800, fish, I 3bet him frequently
BTN: Hero QcQs ~$900
BB: ~$800, a good player who is fully aware what I am doing. He doesn't
fold to me easily and could trap me.
Preflop:
CO open to $14
Hero raise to $48
BB 4bet to $98
CO fold
Hero call
BB's 4bet is a surprise. It could be that he is bluffing because he thinks
I am bluffing the fish. But I am not sure. This is the first time he does
it. For 100BB stack, I would shove. For 200BB, I don't feel that is... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 23
哥看错了 对不住
青虫哥 crush 400NL |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 24 6max 400NL
UTG: ~$700 a good aggressive player
MP: ~$400 a good player too
CO: ~$400 a fish
SB: ~$700 Hero As9c
Preflop:
UTG open to $10
MP call
CO call
Hero squeeze from SB to $46
UTG raise to $116
MP fold
CO fold
Hero call
Flop: Th2h2s
Hero check
UTG bet $150
Hero call
Turn: 6h
Hero check
UTG check
River: Ts
Hero bet $180
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 25 It is fun to play other LAGs.
6max 400NL
BB: ~$700, LAG that 3bet light vs my BTN steal 3 times in the last 10 mins.
1st time, I fold. 2nd time, I 4bet light, he calls preflop and flop cbet,
and fold to my turn bet. 3rd time, I call his 3bet, float flop and fold to
his second barrel.
CO: $400, LAG that steals often and is trying to fight back my 3bet from out
of position
Hero: JdJh ~$800, a crazy raise station that the whole table knows
Preflop
CO open $10
Hero raise to $35
BB 4bet to $83
CO fol... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 26 大概90% 200NL， 10% 400NL。 前几天差不多都快搞回来了，昨天又输了些回去。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 27 400NL 6max
SB: ~$400, a decent player
BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
Preflop
UTG: Hero opens to $12
SB call
BB call
Flop
8h6h2c
SB check
BB check
Hero bet $22
SB fold
BB raise to $80
Hero call
Turn Js
BB bet $150
Hero call
River Qs
BB all in ~$200
Hero call
1. Would you consider folding this hand? If so, when?
2. What if it is against a passive player?
3. What if the flop is rainbow?
4. What if turn or river A? |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 28 400NL 6max
SB: ~$400, a decent player
BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
Preflop
UTG: Hero opens to $12
SB call
BB call
Flop
8h6h2c
SB check
BB check
Hero bet $22
SB fold
BB raise to $80
Hero call
Turn Js
BB bet $150
Hero call
River Qs
BB all in ~$200
Hero call
1. Would you consider folding this hand? If so, when?
2. What if it is against a passive player?
3. What if the flop is rainbow?
4. What if turn or river A? |
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z******n
发帖数: 8851 | 29 长期来讲，大该只有8%左右的玩家才会挣钱，但周围大部分人都说自己赢钱，很多人是
在欺骗自己或为了自己的EGO说谎！
举一个极端例子，我有一个们（牌技还可以，很会读牌，只是很容易on tilt,我们有
regular home game)，经常去赌场打牌，告诉我一年去赌场20次没输过一次！当然我不
信了，有次在他家打牌，和他老婆聊天，我说这个新家居怎么看着像旧的，他老婆说是
朋友送的，他把钱输在赌场没钱买新的了！！！
对我来讲，喜欢玩，但打牌不赢钱不觉得是什么乐趣，不值得投入那么多时间和精力。
本人从2003年到2010年在网上打牌没一年输过（没给朋友讲过，因为没人会信：），只
有个别几个月是赤字，我一般打50NL，最大到200NL，只玩过几次400NL，受不了那刺激
：）总钱数赢的不多，挣点零花钱而已，业余玩一下很是开心。停了几年后，从去年底
又能上网打了（住NJ），跟2003年一样，也是开始鱼较多容易赢，前几个月赢的多一点
，刚结束的七月份赢钱最少（刚$190)。较几年前，现在玩的也少了，只是周末玩一下
。总得来说，不靠这个养家糊口，充实业余生活并能赢点儿钱还是很高兴，呵呵。。。
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