y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 1 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 得意一下 Maybe very hard for his stack.
His usually buyin is 20BB, but Bo plays 5/10 NL full table also
3bb raise, 3bet means 8bb, it should be allin actually.
After 3bet and get called, usually another continuation bet, around 12bb+
Need 100BB stack to 3bet.
Maybe Ilovepoker can show us in the game. Bo and many of us can benefit from it. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 2 yun, 大哥你是on tilt了
拿了QQ如果 call 了别人的 3bet, 要非常谨慎， 如果flop没有A/K, 可以call 一次，
如果敌人继续在turn bet， 就fold好了。
Early postion拿了KK，如果敌人在early position/MP 3bet你， flat call 3bet就好
了， 别4 bet all in. |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 3 thanks.
dont know ur style either. just felt that ur waiting to 3bet me since i've
opened a lot.
eh, just played u once a long time ago. i opened and u 3bet all in with AT, i called with 88. lost coin flip on the river.
but a very big 3bet... emmm. i'll remember what it means.
u owe me 2 coin flips now. hehe.
real
QQ
you
raised |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 Should say I am very lucky this time, I do not get involved with any allin
till the heads up.
Those other guys are getting crazy against chip leader, 3 bet and call allin
with Q3o against chip leader's ajo(lost one player), 3bet and call allin
with ato against chip leader's tt(lost another player), 3bet and call allin
with qks against chip leader's aqo(3rd buddy get lucky and double up.), then
he has even chip stack with chip leader, but 3bet and call all in with ato
against chip leader's ak(los |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 5 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请教一手牌 在请问，stack 80bb左右，这种overpair在这种flop上碰到cr，3bet all in基乎一定
是对的么？
今天AA preflop 3bet，bb (QQ) cold call,被flop top set灭了。flop上3bet进去的。
当然碰到tptk什么的赢的次数也不少。不过没有研究过平均下来是怎么样。
supposed |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 6 刚装了holdem manager，读了windstormm转的几篇2+2的文章，看来数据分析不亚于PhD
paper啊。。
我玩得很少，都是NL25 rush，发现上次玩是今年3月的事情了。。只有4.8k手（盈利差
不多8个buyin, or 17bb/100，但allin EV只有2-3个buyin左右，应该算比较lucky）
现在sample量当然太小了。个人感觉要降低vpip到16左右，pfr到11-12左右，3bet到4
左右，flop cbet到60%左右。但4bet和call cbet呢在多少比较合适呢？
不过我对是否要降低vpip以及提高pfr/vpip还有疑虑，貌似nl25还是可以多limpin一些
的。
vpip: 20 (decrease to 16?)
pfr: 10 (increase to 12?)
aggr: 2.x (increase to ??)
3bet: ～2.9 (increase to 4?)
4bet: ～0.2 (increase to ??)
call 3bet: ～25% (how about this?)
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 7 good， 说道3bet
今天有一手
mp1 3x raise， button call， 我在BB 3bet到 13.5bb （JJ）
mp1 4bet到44bb all in， call or fold？
mp1是poonking，我有他1300手数据，应该是个regular，15/12/4.6
fold to 3bet 71%,
shall I fold or call
下,
那"
, |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 8 In headsup, nobody give much credit to 3bet and 3bet's Cbet if your 3bet% is
around 20%.
A lot of time, you still need to shutdown without hitting flop. |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 9 winstormm 来给分析一下
我也疑惑，感觉cash game，3bet out of position不是特别有效。尤其是no pair
high face card. 100+bb的话，flop出来，人家利用位置还是可以float你，3bet+cbet
一共25bb左右。如果没hit上flop很难打。
这手牌我觉得对手有Kx spades 或者KJ
3bet |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 10 补充一下，别的网站不知道，我现在玩的小网站10NL,95% ppl 3bet rate < 5%, 造成
出现pf 3bet 4bet的fight非常少，我所见到的凡是3bet>10%的都是huge loser。由此
想到，要想更有效率的获利，不应该有个固化的strategy，而是要针对对手的数据来玩
阿。 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 11 I dont thnk you are out of line 4 bet KKs against these guys with 3bet range
over 5%. We 4 bet for value 10 out of 10 time. once the other Guy shove and
the third guy call, it is game over for kks, obviously.
you know it, if you fold to 3bet with kks, you probably wont survive in
nl200, let alone nl400. your fold to 3bet will be over 90 and those guys
love to put "pressure" on you with any two cards. but in my humble opinion,
most aggesso is dumb ass and gambler.
playing poker, now my no 1 g... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 12 这个级别 好像（我是说好像）数据正常的牌手基本上river check/raise bluff的比率
非常低。可是这手牌我的感觉，我会call river shove。
原因
1 12% 3bet pf ＝＝ 3bet light,再加上小盲，增加了最后bluff的比例
2 his story was not consistent
我个人感觉，面对一般的对手in HU situation，你的应对不是让我那么舒服。
下面的个人分析，纯建立在对一般的玩家，并且各自100bb stack的前提上
pf call 3bet in position，没问题，虽然好像aj很容易被dominated的说，但这哥们
儿太light，所以没问题。
flop上是否bet一下来test对手手牌强度来得更合适？
我感觉check behind with fairly strong hand，实际上就决定了增加risk/reward
rate，同样没问题，但是这里自动放弃了一次探测对手信息的机会。
turn上hit strong 2 pairs，然后你的call实际上是又放弃了一次test对手的机会，所
以我... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 13 那感觉出这种pair board，如果是3bet air的range还不如flop check/fold呢
如果是3bet value的range的话就bet/jam?这里3bet value range有{QQ,AK} |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 14 in general 15-22bb stack is considered optimal 3bet-shove stack, in the
sense the risk-reward ratio is best, i.e., you're not risking too much to
gain a substantial pot. and you have decent fold equity because the initial
aggressor would not have proper odds to call your shove too light.
besides the 3bet-shove, you can still raise/fold vs some tight-nonaggressive
players (aka rocks). against hyper-aggro donks who shove over your raise
100%, raise/call with decent hands is high-variance but very ... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 15 今天说一下我看过的几本口碑非常好但是个人感觉用处不大的书。（大概是我的打开方
式不对吧……）
第一本是ed miller 的《Professional No-Limit Hold 'em: Volume I》。 应该说这
本书的出发点还是很有意思的。作者试图用stack to pot ratio（SPR）来处理poker当
中的各种可能的situation。这是这本书的特点，也是这本书没什么用的原因……现实
的情况比简单的SPR复杂的多，感兴趣的可以看Bill Chen的《The Mathematics of
Poker》。另外让我比较无语的是很多和stack size有关的interesting and
fundamentally important的concepts在这本号称专讲stack size的书里面居然完全没
有涉及。这个就是不能容忍的了。比如说100bb effective stack size， 为什么3bb
open 比5bb 或者2bb open要好。为什么3bet size是一般是10bb，4bet size一般是
20bb。如果对手open 5bb 或者 2bb... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 16 晚上家里太热睡不着，就随便逛逛2+2，感觉最近2+2水平下降了不少。small stake讨
论区以前常见的鞭辟入里的分析现在几乎看不见。有个帖子问新人玩cash game应该看
点什么书。然后有人回复说像Doyle Brunson的书的tight aggressive是old game了，
已经过时了云云。然后我就回复了“呵呵”
我一直觉得像Johnny Chen和Doyle Brunson现在仍旧是最好的牌手。不管是tournament
还是cash game能打赢他们的没几个。看high stake poker里面Brunson几乎每季都赢钱
。Chen在第七季OOP的情况下照样打爆Galfond。现在风头最劲的几个人当中能和他们相
提并论的也就Ivey和Isildur。像Dwan 和 patric antonius 的tournament严重短板，
至于negreanu和hellmuth的cash game就是搞笑。（如果让Dr. Giggy或者leatherass和
Negreanu玩cash game的话，前两个人应该会赢得非常轻松。）即使是Dwan和Galfond对
Br... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论几手牌 1.
Preflop, I will not fold AJo to Blinds' 3BET.
On the flop, I suppose not to fold to their CB.
Turn, I do not know. But I still suppose not to fold.
Question: Am I doing sth wrong here? How can I play differently and more
profitable?
File: HH20131006 Whirlpool - $0.10-$0.25 - USD No Limit Hold'em.txt
PokerStars Zoom Hand #105136120162: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2013/
10/06 21:04:49 ET
Table 'Whirlpool' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: pokercj95 ($29.81 in chips)
Seat 2: halmTaLr ($1... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 18 my2c
usually the thinking level of 6max-25NL is still kind of low. Not many
players care about balancing. I even doubt how much % of players are aware
of it, which ended up playing ABC regardless your rival's style/level/table
dynamic and etc.
It does not mean most players in the pool are dumb tho. Actually the real
reason imo is the % of bad players is so high, which forces a good player to
adjust his play into a more straightforward/simple style.就像打live 1/2一样
，遭遇未知对手，你不是先假设他理解poker的常识，而是先把他当成初... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 19 The biggest leak of small stakes players is that they watch too much high
stakes poker.
I played this hand about an hour ago.
Fold to button, who is a winning reg steal about 60% at button. He folds to
3bet about 54%, i.e, he calls with a lot of trash and tries to outplay his
opponents with position. He is a very good player in this level. But his
range is just so weak.
I was SB with TcQc. I 3bet for value. BB folded, Button called.
Flop came 8c Jd 3c. I cbet 2/3 pot, planning to shove against a... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 20 你这个帖子里有很多point值得思考。
我想了很久，我觉得我的point也有理由，不过我打online时间很短，限于我打的时间
和水平不够，也有可能我对online的理解达不到那个层次。
说一下我的point。
首先在这个例子中我说的特意降低bet size，是指的在YYx这样的flop上，我打的size
低于top straight的牌力。而你说的bet size应该打的大，并不是特指这种情况。在
XYZ这样的正常flop上，（如果我有top straight）我在turn和river上也会打的很大。
scripps 在另一帖中说，在这种YYx这种flop上，对方没有牌，你很难赢到什么钱。我
加一句，如果双方都有牌，（triple以上）不管你打得多小，最终pot都会搞得很大。
因为这种flop牌力是跳升的，要不就没，要不就很大。而在XYZ这种flop上，你拿TPTK
，对方拿TPNK,你不打的大，对方未必会打。所以在正常flop上，有好牌往大打是对的
。但在YYx的flop上，打的小不会miss对方的two pair，同时能减小nuts对你的伤害，
也不会miss中间的triple和... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 21 你的想法是对的，一般如果preflop不3bet shove QQ/AK，就说明或者3bet太少或者
fold to 4b太多。只shove AA/KK是一个很大的leak。
如果你3bet足够多，对方势必要4bet更wide的range，shove QQ/AK绝对是+EV的。
对方另一种可能的adjust是call 3b with wider rage，这个就是为什么我喜欢3b AJ
KQ这种牌的原因：用来对付对方的flat |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 22 谢谢夸奖。你也可以试试我的打法，总结一下就这么几条.
1. steal almost every time
2. if villain steals often, 3bet him often. Often enough to make his steal -
EV.
3. if villain 3bet often, 4bet him often to make his 3bet -EV.
4. if villain 4bet often, then shove often
5. if villain can shove or call your shove often, congratulations! Now you
can easily value bet him and get all his money.
最倒霉的情况是好不容易从第一步搞到了第五步，deep stack AA被对方suck out, 然
后villain跑了。 就全白忙活了，又要重新培养下一个villain.
abc |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 23 It is fun to play other LAGs.
6max 400NL
BB: ~$700, LAG that 3bet light vs my BTN steal 3 times in the last 10 mins.
1st time, I fold. 2nd time, I 4bet light, he calls preflop and flop cbet,
and fold to my turn bet. 3rd time, I call his 3bet, float flop and fold to
his second barrel.
CO: $400, LAG that steals often and is trying to fight back my 3bet from out
of position
Hero: JdJh ~$800, a crazy raise station that the whole table knows
Preflop
CO open $10
Hero raise to $35
BB 4bet to $83
CO fol... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 24 200NL 6max
Nobody seems to be a fish on the table.
BB: > $700, a passive player
UTG: ~ $250
MP: ~ $300, LAG, but not as crazy as I am. I have 3bet him frequently
BTN: > $1100 Hero AcAs
Preflop
UTG limp
MP opens to $9
BTN Hero 3bet to $30
BB call
MP call
I was expecting MP to call me. BB's call is a surprise. We have played
three hours and he never cold call my 3bet before. My guess is that he has
something like JJ, too good to fold but not strong enough to 4bet with a
deep stack
Flop Td5h2c
... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 25 我怎么觉得深筹情况下 3bet要变紧，尤其是oop时不要3bet light, call 3bet要变松
。d神说下你的思路。
是不是cash game and tourney are different. |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 26 老版主和hillgong同学基本说出了我的想法，但我权衡一分多钟还是采用了max92131同
学的思路，最后结果呢还是遵循了expert和Flared同学的建议
我来说说我的想法：
V1's tiny lead makes me think he flops an underpair and is looking for info
or he flops a FD and makes a blocking bet. V2's small raise looks more
suspicious. Virtually V2's value hand is A2/22/Q2（AK／AQ he would 3bet pre
I think） only and he should have a lot of Qx, weak A, FD and air in his
range.
Against V2's range I am ahead. At this point there is no way I fold my TPGK
and backdoor NFD. So flat or 3b o... 阅读全帖 |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 27 老版主和hillgong同学基本说出了我的想法，但我权衡一分多钟还是采用了max92131同
学的思路，最后结果呢还是遵循了expert和Flared同学的建议
我来说说我的想法：
V1's tiny lead makes me think he flops an underpair and is looking for info
or he flops a FD and makes a blocking bet. V2's small raise looks more
suspicious. Virtually V2's value hand is A2/22/Q2（AK／AQ he would 3bet pre
I think） only and he should have a lot of Qx, weak A, FD and air in his
range.
Against V2's range I am ahead. At this point there is no way I fold my TPGK
and backdoor NFD. So flat or 3b o... 阅读全帖 |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 28 i'll assume its a she.
she's very aggressive. a few hands ago, she raised J7s on button, I 3bet her
with J7o. flop came TT9, I bet she called, turn was an 8, i check raise her
all-in and we split the pot.
basically she knew i'm loose aggressive and she knew i knew she's loose
aggressive too.
So in this hand her button raise and my BB 3bet basically meant nothing
given our history. Now, if she really had a big hand, I think she would
raise big, make it look like a bluff. Her very small 4bet size |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 29 honestly i don't know what i would do at your spot. but i won't just complet
e at the first place.
any read on the BB? what's his 3bet percentage and aggression factor? what's
his fold to 3bet number? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 30 I almost cetertainly know who will win the tourney when 27ppl left.
That buddy raises every unraised pot.
3bet 30% raised pot.
When he raises, and get repoped, 50% chance get allin, then the 3bet guy
will fold.
Capable to make 3 barrels with complete air. So, when someone floats him, it
is very hard to win the pot.
The guy finished 2nd, calls 70% chips with king 10 o, on king jack 6 flop, turn ace, river jack board.
The chip leader shows 78o(, it is a triple barrel). The river bet is 2/3 pot, |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 31 The way he played is awesome.
A lot of ppl(usually high buyin fellows) repops him. Almost 30% chance he
get repoped, then he use 4bets(almost 50% chance, the 4bet could be very
very light, of course the 3bet(might be 27o) also very very light) to
resteal it.
The stack is very deep, hard to allin. If you are short, then allin very
easily. One guy(high buyin buddy) allin him with k9s and wins, and he calls,
show tjo. But if you have 20+bb deep, he raises to 2.3BB, hard to allin, if
you 3bet him, h |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 32 He also 3bet very often, almost 25-30% raised pot get repoped by him.
You might raise with ace 10o, will you allin with it?(consider you have 20+bb, invest 2.3BB)
But I guess his 3bet hand includes Q8o, Qts, 79s, even 10 2 o
Some guys does shove in with a9s, he shows 99.
Another guy shoves with a9o, he calls with aqo.
but |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 33 this buddy is smart on poker, believe me.
It is very hard to get his chips.
He surely can make good guess if you hit or not, whether you have a big hand
or not.
(Sometimes I do the same call 3-bet allin with a5o, the opponent show j7o)
During the time I watch, every 3bet against him, his 4bet is good.
And he 3bet, and get shoved, he calls, his hand(not that strong) is good.
AA |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 34 allin. I allin a lot on cash game. button raises, I 3bet raise with 57o,
button ships, if I have around 50bb or less, i call. button shows a4o.
Surely, this completely depends on the player. If I 3bet UTG raiser, I will
fold aqs on that spot.
I win the flip. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 35 I have a lot of similar experience.
I know BB will repop me. I limp with aqo, he raises to 3.5bb. I 3bet to 9bb,
he allin, I call. BB shows q8o.
The same guy, raises on the button, I repop(3bet) him to 10bb with 57o. He
allin on me, I have only 30BB left at that moment, I know he can not have
much, I call his allin with 57o, he shows a3o.
My calling range and re-raise range adjusts according to the players.
AQ
FOLD了. 这牌好像怎么也拿不下来. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 36 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 昨天亏了 If just preflop action, can you just throw qq away just because button
reraises(3bet). I guess not, because sometimes button can reraise with Q2s
there. If you 4bet there, you are pretty much committed.
If you just call 3bet, then I guess you will not fold to a continuation bet
from button since the board is so good for QQ. If you lead out, button will reraise. If you check raise, button will allin u. So, it is allin anyway
situation.
If you put him on KK or AA preflop, then you can laydown QQ o |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 37 and for op
if both of you are deep, you can just call 3bet and play odds of set(which
is 1:9) oop and 4bet light bluff ip. i know some high stake pro never 3bet
oop when they are 200bb deep. for the case of 400bb deep, I think you may
only see them on tv or some deep heads up tables. It will be very rare that
in a 6max game two players are such deep at the same time, one of them will quit
very soon(normally is the one who's oop). in the case of short stakes it
will be very easy, 4bet shove or ca |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 38 我shove turn了
call preflop因为这个是rush game 的bb, 这个3bet我有position,我基本call with
any 2 card 只要stack deep
flop cb, no reason to fold
turn是挺tough的,但是我觉得他over pair或者semibluff的概率大过set, 对我来说,要
么fold要么shove,call not an option.
bb的牌是67 diamond, 他3bet air, flo cbet with air, and turn bet with open
ended straight draw (他没有其他draw), 我shove以后他考虑了一会儿就call了
river blank
我同意老大的分析,turn应该fold, 不过考虑到rush game,而且又是button和bb之间,我
觉得fold和shove close, call我觉得是最坏的,如果river black,他不会call 任何你
的bet,如果river3rd flush或者straight card |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 39 你假设的是bb 3bet 大部分是有premium hand的,但是根据我的经验,rush game里面因
为BB不能提前fold,他们3bet的次数明显增多啊,你如果老fold的话,没法打...
value. |
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t*****s
发帖数: 1240 | 40 早期位置limp很危险,现在很多人都会isolate limper,要是没有计划limp你的big hand
,会输不少钱.完全同意厨神的观点.
一般人的3bet都是<=5%,AQ+,TT+,这种时候就fold吧,人家就算make a play我们也没办
法.
要是3bet上了10%,很多时候就是polarized range (5%的big hand加5%+的suited trash)
这时候可以4bet or call in position.
一点浅见,见笑了.
this
steal
but |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 41 ok,重点不是AA赢了KK, preflop, UTG+1 raise 3.5bb, kk 3bet, mp3 call 3bet, 然
后我想了半天...,不行不行,不能trap, 果断4bet, UTG fold, kk all in, mp3 想了很
久fold了, 我call, 结果flop QJT, utg+1说他fold了AK, MP3说fold了QQ,真是......
好险 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 42 总结：
UTG+1 3Bet 80%应该是AA/KK， middle position 3Bet range AA/KK/AK/QQ.
把握好了对手的range， 能够不用nuts就能搞死他们。
. Flop Ah9h3h, MP bet 5bb and I called. Turn blank, MP checked and I checked
, river 9c, MP bet 10bb and I raised to 20BB. MP called and showed AKo.
Heads Up. Flop 3d9cQd, I checked and UTG+1 bet pot size 18bb, I called. Turn
Ts, I checked, UTG+1 bet 40bb, I shoved with rest 74BB, UTG+1 called with
his rest 50BB, river blank. UTG+1 showed KcKs. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 43 看位置，UTG+1 3bet 基本是大牌。
我现在button/CO 3bet 那些late position raiser的次数增加了一倍。另外，只要前面没有人open, 我button 几乎无论啥牌 (任何连着的， 任何同花的， 任何带图案的，任何对) 都是3bb open， 抢大小盲。 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 44 just had a hand
both around 150bb
I raise 3.5bb at mp1, button 3bet 12bb, I call (I am loose, and I hate
fucking retarded button to 3bet me, so as long as I have sth, I most call,
so if I bust him, he will remember me for very
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time, lol)
flop 553, he bet 2/3 pot, I call
turn 4, he bet 2/3 pot again, I mini raise, he called
river 6, I have 36 blinds left and shoved
he instant called,
guess what I have, what he has? |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 45 这些天犯得几个超级错误
1） 一手牌AK， 3bet preflop， flop AKT, 我bet， 对手raise, 这个对手很凶，
2/4的桌子， 我们每人都有200bb， 我想要等一等再reraise, 然后注意力就到了另一
张桌子上去了， 那张桌子是5/10, 我有一个很难的决定， 想了半天， 这个桌子时间
快到了， 开始滴滴叫， 我一不小心点了fold, 而且对手马上跑了
2） 2/4 桌子， 大概180bb deep， 可能是有点冷， 打了个抖， 不小心preflop直接
raise到了104， 对手allin， 我一看， 85o， 只好fold。 后来我有AK,又做了一次
raise到104， 对手直接fold.. 郁闷。。
3） 1/2 桌子， 我在玩3桌子， 别的都是大桌子， 没有注意这个桌子， flop AK3r,
我有25s， gut shot + backdoor flush draw, 对手 donk， 我raise, 他reraise,
我知道这个对手喜欢非常凶， 有喜欢3bet 所有的对子， 这里基本只有A3/K3 可能这
么玩， 其它都是b |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 46 一来没时间，二来发现PTR排名上beat 99%的人一年也没赢多少，所以poker就成了
leisure time的纯消遣了。前几天download了HM看了一下，自己最近一共只玩了4000来
手，基本都是rush。虽说不够统计数量，但发现那个VPIP够高的（20%），3Bet%似乎太
低，Agg是3.2，是不是还算合适？另外就是EV adjusted的数字($12)和实际winning($
121)偏差较大，让我意识到：如果按我的玩法，长期只能break even，很可能是VPIP太
高外加3bet不足，是么？
谁能介绍一下重要的指标及理想范围么？ |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 47 new move means new weapon. In the long run, you will win money. in case you
will move one level up in the near future, or just improve your game.
Just like 3bet, or 4bet light, it will increase the chance of downswing, but
you have to incorporate it into your game. Even the 3bet ranges' changing can be new moves.
Another example is your openning ranges: you will call q8o from the blinds, but new moves may need you to call q5o in the blinds. more marginal situation. So, you need to play post play |
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c******n
发帖数: 15 | 48 pre flop: 对于call 3bet with any two的donkey，limp/3bet qq的确不错。正常情况
下，直接open，没有必要这样做。
flop:不需要c/r。 这个flop你无论如何都不会fold。你已经commit自己了，
你有足够的equity。
这种donkey这个flop如果你cbet他有任何东西都不会fold。如果你check他可能check
back很多有很好equity的牌： 78s,89s, JQs, AJ, QK, ATs, A9s, TQs， TKs。
更重要的是，他如果total air，对一个limp/3better，他bluff bet的机会并不大。如果
他有任何poker knowledge，他可能认为你QQ+, AK，这个flop你显然不会c/f。
也就是说，against他相同的betting range，你bet/call,或者c/r都是基本一样的效果
，在
没有多少induce value的情况下，对于他很好pot equity的牌，你白白给了他free
card。如果有special read，认为他一定bluff a |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 49 Nowadays, I have no 6-max games for me,only HU. Pretty fun.
And I am not afraid of 50NL HU regulars.
One thing is how to deal with 3bets, 3bet raise could as high as 20%.
.
an
player i played, i have fairly significant edge over them. |
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a*****h
发帖数: 2182 | 50 sometimes I do 4bet with AKs, or AKo for certain players, not for value, for
1)consider the dead money in the pot with 3bet, we are coin flip with QQ, JJ
, which falls under opponent's 3bet range, around 1:3 underdog against KK an
d huge underdog against AA
2)fold equity for QQ and AK
you 4 betting with them? If not, what do you think is their 5 bet shove
range?
is not KK AA. |
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