i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 1 1/2 no limit
fold了几把之后
66 limp in, lots of callers,
flop 69T rainbow
BB bet, 我右手老年酒鬼男 raise to 15，I raise to 50, BB all-in, I call the
extra 12.
对方78,我晕死。。。
然后过了一阵拿到AA，亚洲小老头跟我bet来bet去all-in了，那一把损失基本找回来了，
然后一把AJo，我在button，两个limper，我raise to 10, all call.
flop 9s8s3s, check to me, what to do? 我的J是s。 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 hehe, AJo raised 10 pre-flop? i seldom do that.
you got good position with a mediocre flush draw:
1) if you check, you would give both of them a free card and show your
weakness, which would make your starting hand easier to guess (missed flop
and now afraid of flush). acutally they might over estimate you on AK/AQ (
but no high spade) or small pair (77, 66). for an OK pot ($30+), not the
best thing to do;
2) if you bet, you have to bet enough $ to follow up and semi-bluff them, i
would do about
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 no limit
: fold了几把之后
: 66 limp in, lots of callers,
: flop 69T rainbow
: BB bet, 我右手老年酒鬼男 raise to 15，I raise to 50, BB all-in, I call the
: extra 12.
: 对方78,我晕死。。。
: 然后过了一阵拿到AA，亚洲小老头跟我bet来bet去all-in了，那一把损失基本找回来了，
: 然后一把AJo，我在button，两个limper，我raise to 10, all call.
: flop 9s8s3s, check to me, what to do? 我的J是s。
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 4 this is good discussion!
As for the raise, I don't know, I think it's OK, I got position, I have been
playing tight, so chance to win the pot right there is good. By raising I
also gain control of the postflop, being the more aggressive one of the hand.
I actually just checked. I thought about it afterwards and think I should
bet.
Let's say I did bet 20$, if 1 of them called, what hand range should we put
him on?
i
want
get
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, AJo raised 10 pre-flop? i seldom do that.
: you got good position with a mediocre flush draw:
: 1) if you check, you would give both of them a free card and show your
: weakness, which would make your starting hand easier to guess (missed flop
: and now afraid of flush). acutally they might over estimate you on AK/AQ (
: but no high spade) or small pair (77, 66). for an OK pot ($30+), not the
: best thing to do;
: 2) if you bet, you have to bet enough $ to follow up and semi-bluff them, i
: would do about
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 5 Since he didn't raise preflop, he should have no pair.
Most likely he had like J,10, or a big s( Q, K, A). So if he call $10, he
would also call $20. If he don't call $20, he would not call $10 either.
Actually when I made such bet, I always watch their action closely, and
ready to fold if their reaction too strong. That's why I choose small bet. | p*t
发帖数: 275 | 6 我会bet大概pot的一半左右做semi bluff，有position的bluff要安全很多，如果有人
check raise，基本上他是flopped the flush了，而且很可能不是nut flush，那么只
有Qs能beat你，所以min raise还是call，raise太大就fold。
了，
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 no limit
: fold了几把之后
: 66 limp in, lots of callers,
: flop 69T rainbow
: BB bet, 我右手老年酒鬼男 raise to 15，I raise to 50, BB all-in, I call the
: extra 12.
: 对方78,我晕死。。。
: 然后过了一阵拿到AA，亚洲小老头跟我bet来bet去all-in了，那一把损失基本找回来了，
: 然后一把AJo，我在button，两个limper，我raise to 10, all call.
: flop 9s8s3s, check to me, what to do? 我的J是s。
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 7 still lots of possibilities. I think he likely has:
1. made flush and slow play you (very likely nut flush)
2. flush draw and will be beat by you (unless Qs)
3. straight draw or set
4. 2-pair
With 3 or 4, he's hoping you won't get your draw or he can get a boat.
been
hand.
put
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: this is good discussion!
: As for the raise, I don't know, I think it's OK, I got position, I have been
: playing tight, so chance to win the pot right there is good. By raising I
: also gain control of the postflop, being the more aggressive one of the hand.
: I actually just checked. I thought about it afterwards and think I should
: bet.
: Let's say I did bet 20$, if 1 of them called, what hand range should we put
: him on?
:
: i
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 8 弄错了一个地方，黑桃A还没出来，所以A K Q都能beat你。不过我还是会bet一半左右。
【在 p*t 的大作中提到】
: 我会bet大概pot的一半左右做semi bluff，有position的bluff要安全很多，如果有人
: check raise，基本上他是flopped the flush了，而且很可能不是nut flush，那么只
: 有Qs能beat你，所以min raise还是call，raise太大就fold。
:
: 了，
| t***k
发帖数: 57 | 9 just check, the flop likely to hits a lot of holdings. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 if you bet $20 and then one called, that's most likely what's going to
happen. it's unlikely that both would call with such a scary flush flop.
i guess the caller would have a very high chance holding As/Ks. Qs or lower
spade? hard, since he's off position and you're relatively strong.
made flush? nuts flush? not very likely. it depends on his style/image, but
it's a risk.
so the problem was: he put you on something good:
1) made flush, possible but not likely;
2) high flush draw, more likely bu
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: this is good discussion!
: As for the raise, I don't know, I think it's OK, I got position, I have been
: playing tight, so chance to win the pot right there is good. By raising I
: also gain control of the postflop, being the more aggressive one of the hand.
: I actually just checked. I thought about it afterwards and think I should
: bet.
: Let's say I did bet 20$, if 1 of them called, what hand range should we put
: him on?
:
: i
| | | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 11 A few thoughts on the flop bet:
What a bet on the flop will accomplish? Will I be able to fold a better a
hand?
If I can fold a hand like A9, A8, it means a lot because I would be reverse
dominated if a A came. However I don't think a 2/3 pot bet will be able to
fold any of those hands;
It's also not big enough to fold a strong draw, like flush draw, straight
draw, their implied odds justify a call;
So basically I can only fold a hand that I already beat, or maybe a pair of
3, which probably won
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, AJo raised 10 pre-flop? i seldom do that.
: you got good position with a mediocre flush draw:
: 1) if you check, you would give both of them a free card and show your
: weakness, which would make your starting hand easier to guess (missed flop
: and now afraid of flush). acutally they might over estimate you on AK/AQ (
: but no high spade) or small pair (77, 66). for an OK pot ($30+), not the
: best thing to do;
: 2) if you bet, you have to bet enough $ to follow up and semi-bluff them, i
: would do about
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 12 It's possible to fold A9, A8, or any 8x, 9x. That's the pro side.
reverse
of
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: A few thoughts on the flop bet:
: What a bet on the flop will accomplish? Will I be able to fold a better a
: hand?
: If I can fold a hand like A9, A8, it means a lot because I would be reverse
: dominated if a A came. However I don't think a 2/3 pot bet will be able to
: fold any of those hands;
: It's also not big enough to fold a strong draw, like flush draw, straight
: draw, their implied odds justify a call;
: So basically I can only fold a hand that I already beat, or maybe a pair of
: 3, which probably won
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 13 if you dont' cb much, you can cb here, most likely nobody hit their hands.
I'd bet about 1/2 of the pot. if somebody called, I'd check the turn and
river. If a spade comes, it becomes interesting, anyway, I'd usually
check as well.
了，
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 no limit
: fold了几把之后
: 66 limp in, lots of callers,
: flop 69T rainbow
: BB bet, 我右手老年酒鬼男 raise to 15，I raise to 50, BB all-in, I call the
: extra 12.
: 对方78,我晕死。。。
: 然后过了一阵拿到AA，亚洲小老头跟我bet来bet去all-in了，那一把损失基本找回来了，
: 然后一把AJo，我在button，两个limper，我raise to 10, all call.
: flop 9s8s3s, check to me, what to do? 我的J是s。
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 14 OK，so I checked the flop, the turn is a blank, and the two limper checked
to me. The pot is still 33$. Since they are pretty weak so far, so I bet out
20$. To my surprise, they both called. The river is a Ks. Now I have a
flush, pot is 93$. Again the limper both checked. What's my move?
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: if you dont' cb much, you can cb here, most likely nobody hit their hands.
: I'd bet about 1/2 of the pot. if somebody called, I'd check the turn and
: river. If a spade comes, it becomes interesting, anyway, I'd usually
: check as well.
:
: 了，
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 check, pot good enough if you're lucky to win.
with two callers, you had no reason to be greedy with Js, right?
out
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: OK，so I checked the flop, the turn is a blank, and the two limper checked
: to me. The pot is still 33$. Since they are pretty weak so far, so I bet out
: 20$. To my surprise, they both called. The river is a Ks. Now I have a
: flush, pot is 93$. Again the limper both checked. What's my move?
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 16 I think its a value bet if I bet.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: check, pot good enough if you're lucky to win.
: with two callers, you had no reason to be greedy with Js, right?
:
: out
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 depends on your opponents' style and image, it could also be a check-raise
trap.
at least for me, your pre-flop raise, flop bet, turn check, river bet (big on
Ks) moves don't look like nuts. unless it's too big ($150+), i (one of the
two callers) might call you.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: I think its a value bet if I bet.
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 18 what i did was check on the flop when it was checked to me. bet 20 on the
turn when it was checked to me. They all called. And bet 30 on the river
when it was checked to me again. Now they all fold. I've been trying to
figure out what hand range they would hold to play like this. Also I am not
sure if my play was good or not.
on
the
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: depends on your opponents' style and image, it could also be a check-raise
: trap.
: at least for me, your pre-flop raise, flop bet, turn check, river bet (big on
: Ks) moves don't look like nuts. unless it's too big ($150+), i (one of the
: two callers) might call you.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 19 They missed their straight draws.
If they had flush draws, they should call your river bet, since they already called your turn bet.
If they had one pair on flop, they should bet on turn( to prevent your possible draw) since you checked on flop. | p*t
发帖数: 275 | 20 I think you win. If one has As or Qs, he very likely will do a value bet
rather than check-raise (since you were very weak at the flop and turn). I
would bet about $20 and hope a call.
out
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: OK，so I checked the flop, the turn is a blank, and the two limper checked
: to me. The pot is still 33$. Since they are pretty weak so far, so I bet out
: 20$. To my surprise, they both called. The river is a Ks. Now I have a
: flush, pot is 93$. Again the limper both checked. What's my move?
| | | p*t
发帖数: 275 | 21 Now based on this result, if you bet on the flop, I guess they would fold
immediately.
not
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: what i did was check on the flop when it was checked to me. bet 20 on the
: turn when it was checked to me. They all called. And bet 30 on the river
: when it was checked to me again. Now they all fold. I've been trying to
: figure out what hand range they would hold to play like this. Also I am not
: sure if my play was good or not.
:
: on
: the
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 got an interesting hand today.
QsJc, button.
somebody raised to $7 pre-flop, 2 mid guys called, i called on position.
flop: Ts9s5d.
somebody bet $15, mid guys both called, i called.
turn was a good card but also a curse: 8s.
all checked to me, i decided to push $25 to kick out at least one guy. well,
all three called without hesitance. damn, something looked not right ...
river was even funny: 2s.
my heart sank ...... but to my surprise, all checked to me! well, with 4
spades on board, a big eno
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: what i did was check on the flop when it was checked to me. bet 20 on the
: turn when it was checked to me. They all called. And bet 30 on the river
: when it was checked to me again. Now they all fold. I've been trying to
: figure out what hand range they would hold to play like this. Also I am not
: sure if my play was good or not.
:
: on
: the
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 23 Whay would you do if guyB allin on flop? | I**n
发帖数: 839 | 24 实地赌场玩多了 各种牌形见怪不怪了 不比online的逊色
像这样69T的 有人all in 尤其是low limit 基本上就是78
我昨天Js raise preflop, flops the top set, then got 3-way re-reraise 果然有
人made straight, 还有一把 K58 rainbow, I had two pairs, 6 falls on the turn,
一人突然发难 raise, re-raise, 我其实担心4，9 可是low limit只要有人发难 基本
上就是nuts 后来果然是79
其他像是27o runner runner two pairs什么昨天就碰到好几次 NND people literally
plays Everything, and chase everything to the river for the low limit game
了，
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 no limit
: fold了几把之后
: 66 limp in, lots of callers,
: flop 69T rainbow
: BB bet, 我右手老年酒鬼男 raise to 15，I raise to 50, BB all-in, I call the
: extra 12.
: 对方78,我晕死。。。
: 然后过了一阵拿到AA，亚洲小老头跟我bet来bet去all-in了，那一把损失基本找回来了，
: 然后一把AJo，我在button，两个limper，我raise to 10, all call.
: flop 9s8s3s, check to me, what to do? 我的J是s。
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 25 Online 不是这么玩法.(除了micro game).Odds不够就撤了,chase到river是fishes的玩
法.
live poker路上花时间,发牌慢,还要给小费,为什么还有那么
多人光玩live poker?不就是冲着fishes多吗?
turn,
literally
game
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: 实地赌场玩多了 各种牌形见怪不怪了 不比online的逊色
: 像这样69T的 有人all in 尤其是low limit 基本上就是78
: 我昨天Js raise preflop, flops the top set, then got 3-way re-reraise 果然有
: 人made straight, 还有一把 K58 rainbow, I had two pairs, 6 falls on the turn,
: 一人突然发难 raise, re-raise, 我其实担心4，9 可是low limit只要有人发难 基本
: 上就是nuts 后来果然是79
: 其他像是27o runner runner two pairs什么昨天就碰到好几次 NND people literally
: plays Everything, and chase everything to the river for the low limit game
:
: 了，
| I**n
发帖数: 839 | 26 你误解我的意思了 很多人只玩过online的 觉得软件有问题 其实live的一样很多邪门牌
online和live当然不一样 我现在主要玩live的 一是感觉不一样 再一个有家尤其是有
小孩之后 不太想在家里玩牌 对生活还是影响挺大的
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: Online 不是这么玩法.(除了micro game).Odds不够就撤了,chase到river是fishes的玩
: 法.
: live poker路上花时间,发牌慢,还要给小费,为什么还有那么
: 多人光玩live poker?不就是冲着fishes多吗?
:
: turn,
: literally
: game
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 俺也喜欢live的，收筹码感觉多好，呵呵，还有和人的面对面交流，hot chicks
walking around，休息玩两把小slots，看看纸醉金迷，......挺好。
而且俺给自己的原则是，不玩俺可能失控的online，太方便，而且俺确实信不过编的软
件。
门牌
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: 你误解我的意思了 很多人只玩过online的 觉得软件有问题 其实live的一样很多邪门牌
: online和live当然不一样 我现在主要玩live的 一是感觉不一样 再一个有家尤其是有
: 小孩之后 不太想在家里玩牌 对生活还是影响挺大的
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 28 软件是有问题,这和live的bad beat不是一回事.
fishes多,chase的人多,bad beat就会多.这是可以用概率解释的.live就是这种情况.
online chase的很少.就不应该出太多bad beat.
到周末或节日,chase的人增多,bad beat增多,这都正常.问题是他反过来了.pocketAA
对 pocketKK,不是AA赢四次,输一次,是KK赢四次,输一次,甚至AA一次都赢不了,全输.
这个周末,我每玩二三十把,一对都中不了一次.等到最后中一个top pair,必定是个bad beat.
每次节日都是这样,没有一次例外.过了节日就正常.
把概率做marketing tool了.
live的bad beat,你有,别人也会有.
online这种,就是单方向的,都是老手中新来的bad beat,一句话,就是大概率必定输给小概率.
门牌
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: 你误解我的意思了 很多人只玩过online的 觉得软件有问题 其实live的一样很多邪门牌
: online和live当然不一样 我现在主要玩live的 一是感觉不一样 再一个有家尤其是有
: 小孩之后 不太想在家里玩牌 对生活还是影响挺大的
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