m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 1 NL200(1/2)
one guy limped in and button called, I raised to 8$ at small blind.boch
called.
flop Q103, I bet 16$, one guy fold , botton reraised to 47$! I called,
turn is 10 ( there is no flush draw) , I checked, he pushed all in 167$!
can I call, what he may have, why he push so much?? | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 2 His weakest possible hand could be AQ.
If he had KK he could reraise you preflop.
If one is too aggressive, he could allin with AQ, but for a normal guy, allin
is an overplay.
More likely he had a full house( two pairs when he reraised you).
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200(1/2)
: one guy limped in and button called, I raised to 8$ at small blind.boch
: called.
: flop Q103, I bet 16$, one guy fold , botton reraised to 47$! I called,
: turn is 10 ( there is no flush draw) , I checked, he pushed all in 167$!
: can I call, what he may have, why he push so much??
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 3 他如果手上一个10，几乎不可能raise到47，两个10现在不可能allin，所以是一个Q或
者pocket Qs。pocket Qs的话turn上push得太狠了。如果这人不是强牌故意push，应该
是AQ或者open ended straight draw。我会call。
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200(1/2)
: one guy limped in and button called, I raised to 8$ at small blind.boch
: called.
: flop Q103, I bet 16$, one guy fold , botton reraised to 47$! I called,
: turn is 10 ( there is no flush draw) , I checked, he pushed all in 167$!
: can I call, what he may have, why he push so much??
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 i guess i would call, your AA was kind of hidden ($8, $16, bets).
wish for a good (no trouble) river.
he's more likely playing by Q + nice kicker.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200(1/2)
: one guy limped in and button called, I raised to 8$ at small blind.boch
: called.
: flop Q103, I bet 16$, one guy fold , botton reraised to 47$! I called,
: turn is 10 ( there is no flush draw) , I checked, he pushed all in 167$!
: can I call, what he may have, why he push so much??
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 5 I see this not a meaningful discussion.
Live poker and online poker, they are two different games.
A good way of play in one game, could lose your pant in another.
As far as I know, more than 90% allins for online poker are nuts(Excluding micro games). | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 6 He play online but it doesn't matter whether it is online or live.
The point is people who argue the case are from two different group, with
quite different way of playing. No matter the case is online or live, there will
be conflict of opinions. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 有点够呛，QQ pre-flop那么沉得住气，flop $47倒说的过去，因为毕竟melonli raise
$16(要俺，$47都多了，call比较持续pre-flop的风格，毕竟敌在相对明处)，turn上$
147就更有点不对头，almost nuts，太过强硬了。 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 en.
i read again...
$47 on flop was like asking "do you have a queen, what does your $8 and $16
represent? medium pair? AK missed flop but still try to be strong?...".
$167 (although too big) on turn was like "all right, i asked you about the Q
, now T paired up, (ideally)it's two pair against two pair, and now about
kicker. if you're weak, get out of here now, i'm ok to take the ~$126+ pot".
IF (of course a big IF) this guy is normal, i bet he didn't put melonli had
AA or KK. the way that melon |
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 9 $8 is only a pot sweetner bet, which is really too small and others
have excellent implied odds to call here. QT3 is also a very
dangerous flop, TT, 33, QT all beat you. That means you want to bet more
to define your hand, so a pot size bet is better. 16 is not enough here.
Now you have a tough time, that 47 can be merely a bluff with position,
or a raise with AT, blabla, and intend to make huge bluffs on turn. It's
best to fold that $47 raise cause of the reverse implied odds, if
you win, you w
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200(1/2)
: one guy limped in and button called, I raised to 8$ at small blind.boch
: called.
: flop Q103, I bet 16$, one guy fold , botton reraised to 47$! I called,
: turn is 10 ( there is no flush draw) , I checked, he pushed all in 167$!
: can I call, what he may have, why he push so much??
| I**n
发帖数: 839 | 10 It really depends how you read your opponent.
I made such a move last week in two back to back hands on the same guy.
All in with nuts on the turn/river acting like bluff. He reloaded twice
because of this.
My point is when people mixed up, it's hard to put them in a hand.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200(1/2)
: one guy limped in and button called, I raised to 8$ at small blind.boch
: called.
: flop Q103, I bet 16$, one guy fold , botton reraised to 47$! I called,
: turn is 10 ( there is no flush draw) , I checked, he pushed all in 167$!
: can I call, what he may have, why he push so much??
| | | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 11 the point is that it's just which poison you choose to take. if you call the
huge flop raise, then later, you may either be bluffed out of pot with
the best hand or call with the worse hand. Position is the most important
thing in deep stack games, without position, AA is also very vulnerable
against deep stack skillful opps. Folding the flop raise also may
have a good advantage, it may induce more bluffs in latter more
expensive hands and you may penalize your opps there.
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: It really depends how you read your opponent.
: I made such a move last week in two back to back hands on the same guy.
: All in with nuts on the turn/river acting like bluff. He reloaded twice
: because of this.
: My point is when people mixed up, it's hard to put them in a hand.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 12 another point I want to mention here is that you can also check the flop
to induce bluffs. That's the way to keep the pot small, with AA,
you really want to play small pots. Also, $8 compraing with your $200 stack
is almost nothing, so it's ok not to "protect" your hand to avoid sticky
situations like this. Suppose your opp bets, you can either call or
checkraise
him with strength, the playing dynamics may change a lot. Now he has a
tough decision to make, cause he may face trip Q, ten or 3. Sti
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: $8 is only a pot sweetner bet, which is really too small and others
: have excellent implied odds to call here. QT3 is also a very
: dangerous flop, TT, 33, QT all beat you. That means you want to bet more
: to define your hand, so a pot size bet is better. 16 is not enough here.
: Now you have a tough time, that 47 can be merely a bluff with position,
: or a raise with AT, blabla, and intend to make huge bluffs on turn. It's
: best to fold that $47 raise cause of the reverse implied odds, if
: you win, you w
| I**n
发帖数: 839 | 13 I like the idea too. AA would rather win small than lose big which happens a
lot.
不过这把牌还是很难说 AA应该还事暗的 敌人打的过凶了 | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 14 raise more, bet more, fold.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200(1/2)
: one guy limped in and button called, I raised to 8$ at small blind.boch
: called.
: flop Q103, I bet 16$, one guy fold , botton reraised to 47$! I called,
: turn is 10 ( there is no flush draw) , I checked, he pushed all in 167$!
: can I call, what he may have, why he push so much??
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 15 http://www.pokertips.org/weekly.shuffle/archives/2007-06-24
The Joys Of Soft Competition
THE WEEKLY SHUFFLE, 2007-06-24, by Ozone
For American poker players, online poker options are limited thanks to
former United States Senator Bill Frist, who pushed through the Unlawful
Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. The bill resulted in many online poker
rooms, such as Party Poker and Titan Poker, no longer offering their real-
money games to Americans. The few online poker rooms that still service US
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