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h***i 发帖数: 89031 | 2 进进出出阿
进的去出得来,忘掉比较困难
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】 : 对不对呀?
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b**d 发帖数: 7644 | 3 俺觉得你身体比较好的时候可以。 但是如果你身体比较差,不停的咳嗽,还怎么进去
呢?
【在 h***i 的大作中提到】 : 进进出出阿 : 进的去出得来,忘掉比较困难
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h***i 发帖数: 89031 | 4 咳嗽可以吃西瓜霜阿
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】 : 俺觉得你身体比较好的时候可以。 但是如果你身体比较差,不停的咳嗽,还怎么进去 : 呢?
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b**d 发帖数: 7644 | 5 切!哮喘呢? 身体不好会对修四禅八定造成极大的障碍。而且如果不修,忘了怎么进
去了,不就丢了?
难怪电视剧里面的神仙妖精天天在修炼呢。
【在 h***i 的大作中提到】 : 咳嗽可以吃西瓜霜阿
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h***i 发帖数: 89031 | 6 哮喘可以喷激素
实在不行可以切开气管插氧气
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】 : 切!哮喘呢? 身体不好会对修四禅八定造成极大的障碍。而且如果不修,忘了怎么进 : 去了,不就丢了? : 难怪电视剧里面的神仙妖精天天在修炼呢。
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S**U 发帖数: 7025 | 7 四禅八定不练也会退步。
练的目的一是作为修观的基础,二是享受禅悦,三是作为修神通的基础。禅悦乐胜于性
高潮、吸毒、感官等欲界乐。 |
b**d 发帖数: 7644 | 8 阿姜布拉姆的禅悦书里写的,初禅没有呼吸,看样子是他搞错了。 |
b**d 发帖数: 7644 | 9 你试试潜在水里七天不呼吸,四禅的时候,就是这个境界。 |
b**d 发帖数: 7644 | 10 爱信不信由你。 到四禅,得胎息的人多了去了,你到法鼓山跑一趟就知道了。 |
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b**d 发帖数: 7644 | 11 The problem is that they will not show you.
And they do not care what you think. |
b**d 发帖数: 7644 | 12 I do not care what you think either. |
T*******y 发帖数: 6523 | 13 I found this old post in 2009. How is everything now?
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】 : 对不对呀?
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T*******y 发帖数: 6523 | 14 I also have a basic question. Here's a book on 拙火经验(The Kundalini
Experience)
http://www.douban.com/group/topic/9611587/
It's mainly about the biological process based on interviews.
Here're some excerpts:
这是达爱•阿难塔的经验之谈。他熟知各式各样的拙火症状,明白也坚持拙火状
态、神秘经验、心灵现象,以及伟大的心灵觉醒之间的分野。伟大的心灵觉醒和神经系
统毫无关系。他知道拙火力量不同于超越的力量或夏克提,这种超越的力量是终极实相
本身无极无限的力量层面。
由是观之,拙火的能量不过是这个同质而单一的「密集」——或实相——的一种显现。
它是在人类「身心」完全觉醒前的一种进化「身心」的现象。
而真正转化的指标之一,便是愿意去超越即使是最喜乐的经验,直到达成一种除那唯一
绝对的实相外,别无他物的稳固实现。
他很确定,即使他曾一再经验绝对狂喜,也不过是对神经系统操控的结果,更不用说其
它的幻象和心灵现象了。所以,这不可能等同于开悟,或是神启——这些是持续不断的
状态。因此他加强自己自我观察和自我臣服的练习。而后在1970年九月十日,发生了下
面的事:
「刹那间,我突然深刻而直接地觉知到我是什么。这是一种无言的了解,一种在意识本
身之中的直接知识。它就是意识本身,没有添加来自任何其它来源的信息……没有思想
涉入其中,我就是那个意识,没有一点喜悦或惊讶的反应。我就是那个我所认清的东西
,我就是它……然后确实再也没有什么需要去了解了。我生命中的每个经验,都是为了
造就此刻。」
在这次觉醒后,一连串的自发心灵活动接二连三发生在达爱•阿难塔身上,到今
天仍未停止。这证实了他认为开悟不是目标,而是心灵转化之基础的论点。
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r******a 发帖数: 207 | 15 不是一个系统的,没有直接的对应关系。密宗修生起圆满次第,靠的就是风入中脉,升
起拙火,打开脉轮,再反观开悟。生起圆满据说可以达到稳定的二禅境界,但修过的才
知道...
达爱•阿难塔就是Adi Da吧,上世纪著名的灵性导师啊,所谓avatar之一,Ken
Wilber就跟他学了不少啊 |
l****u 发帖数: 2166 | 16 拙火是禅支之一。。。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】 : I also have a basic question. Here's a book on 拙火经验(The Kundalini : Experience) : http://www.douban.com/group/topic/9611587/ : It's mainly about the biological process based on interviews. : Here're some excerpts: : 这是达爱•阿难塔的经验之谈。他熟知各式各样的拙火症状,明白也坚持拙火状 : 态、神秘经验、心灵现象,以及伟大的心灵觉醒之间的分野。伟大的心灵觉醒和神经系 : 统毫无关系。他知道拙火力量不同于超越的力量或夏克提,这种超越的力量是终极实相 : 本身无极无限的力量层面。 : 由是观之,拙火的能量不过是这个同质而单一的「密集」——或实相——的一种显现。
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l****u 发帖数: 2166 | 17 对练气功的来说,就是打通大周天。。。
【在 l****u 的大作中提到】 : 拙火是禅支之一。。。
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l*******l 发帖数: 13923 | 18 :-)
【在 h***i 的大作中提到】 : 咳嗽可以吃西瓜霜阿
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L**********s 发帖数: 12988 | 19 try practice Kundalini Yoga if you are interested in Kundalini energy
awakening
my dear, start practicing, stop reading and talking. :D
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】 : I also have a basic question. Here's a book on 拙火经验(The Kundalini : Experience) : http://www.douban.com/group/topic/9611587/ : It's mainly about the biological process based on interviews. : Here're some excerpts: : 这是达爱•阿难塔的经验之谈。他熟知各式各样的拙火症状,明白也坚持拙火状 : 态、神秘经验、心灵现象,以及伟大的心灵觉醒之间的分野。伟大的心灵觉醒和神经系 : 统毫无关系。他知道拙火力量不同于超越的力量或夏克提,这种超越的力量是终极实相 : 本身无极无限的力量层面。 : 由是观之,拙火的能量不过是这个同质而单一的「密集」——或实相——的一种显现。
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T*******y 发帖数: 6523 | 20 Oh, I see. Thanks.
【在 r******a 的大作中提到】 : 不是一个系统的,没有直接的对应关系。密宗修生起圆满次第,靠的就是风入中脉,升 : 起拙火,打开脉轮,再反观开悟。生起圆满据说可以达到稳定的二禅境界,但修过的才 : 知道... : 达爱•阿难塔就是Adi Da吧,上世纪著名的灵性导师啊,所谓avatar之一,Ken : Wilber就跟他学了不少啊
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T*******y 发帖数: 6523 | 21 en, it sounds so.
you also mentioned that "拙火是禅支之一。。。"
May I know what 禅支 is? I seem to find different things.
http://www.hudong.com/wiki/%E7%A6%85%E6%94%AF
七禅支:一、寻;二、伺;三、喜;四、一境性;五、悦;六、忧;七、舍。
http://www.dharmalineage.org/Docs/The%20five%20elements%20of%20
五禪支與五蓋
「尋」禪支可以對治消沈
「伺」禪支可以對治對法的疑惑、困惑
「喜」禪支可以對治當下的不耐煩
「樂」禪支可以對治散亂
「一心」禪支可以對治慾望
Which 禅支 is 拙火 corresponding to?
【在 l****u 的大作中提到】 : 对练气功的来说,就是打通大周天。。。
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T*******y 发帖数: 6523 | 22 hehe, you are right.
The problem is that I am not sure that I want to go this way yet. :-) I do
only the regular yoga now, not the hot yoga, not the Kundalini Yoga, etc. I
bet that you must be a very experienced yoga practitioner, and you must know
how kundalini feels, right? :-)
What I start out with is the fact that I like meditation, especially the way
explained in this book:
http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf
and I just want to go along with it. In the book of Jhanas, it mentions that
people typically go through the steps of Percepts, Jhanas, and then
Vipassana. So if that's the way, I will go along the way.
Well, if kundalini is not a must along this way, although it often happens,
I will see whether it happens for me or not. Either way, I am fine. And
seriously, it's too early to worry about it. Well, of course, as you can
tell, I am curious to know what this word means, and there are still many
words that I don't know. So one thing's for sure, I will ask more questions.
:-)
【在 L**********s 的大作中提到】 : try practice Kundalini Yoga if you are interested in Kundalini energy : awakening : my dear, start practicing, stop reading and talking. :D
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b**d 发帖数: 7644 | 23 It is a good experience. I think both Vipassina and Jhana are the same kind
of stuff. The feeling of a strange happiness and power is with you for a
long time after you come out of Jhana. I donot know how to say it. My
feeling is that they are the same thing. Keeping the mind purified is the
key.
I
know
way
that
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】 : hehe, you are right. : The problem is that I am not sure that I want to go this way yet. :-) I do : only the regular yoga now, not the hot yoga, not the Kundalini Yoga, etc. I : bet that you must be a very experienced yoga practitioner, and you must know : how kundalini feels, right? :-) : What I start out with is the fact that I like meditation, especially the way : explained in this book: : http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf : and I just want to go along with it. In the book of Jhanas, it mentions that : people typically go through the steps of Percepts, Jhanas, and then
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P****S 发帖数: 2286 | 24 “诸行无常 是生灭法”
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】 : 对不对呀?
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T*******y 发帖数: 6523 | 25 I see. Thanks a lot for sharing this experience. Well, how did you apply
this reached state to your daily life?
For my daily life, seeing things as all neutral and really feeling so, while
catching my thoughts and emotions, etc, seem enough for me to be peaceful.
What I enjoy in meditation is to experiment with my responses. I can't
imagine how this process, or the end result, will affect my life. Will it be
a big difference?
kind
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】 : It is a good experience. I think both Vipassina and Jhana are the same kind : of stuff. The feeling of a strange happiness and power is with you for a : long time after you come out of Jhana. I donot know how to say it. My : feeling is that they are the same thing. Keeping the mind purified is the : key. : : I : know : way : that
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