y**8
发帖数: 3 | 1 今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
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All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
“kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
“you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
“that will never happen”
“when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
“but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
“should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
-response: YES
“but you just said kill everyone in china a while ago…what happened to
that?”
“should we allow the Chinese to live?”
“well this has been an interesting edition of kids table: the lord of the
flies edition (LAUGHTER) I’d like to thank my correspondents ___….”
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Hello everyone, I am an American-born Chinese male and it has come to my
attention that a recent Jimmy Kimmel video has become the subject of much
controversy.
I’m here to give the Chinese community another (contrasting) perspective on
this issue, except this time it’s coming from someone who has lived in the
United States for his entire life, and I hope it allows everyone to have a
more balanced discussion.
First, the current consensus about Jimmy Kimmel’s position is that he is
completely guilty of slandering the Chinese people and that his comments in
the video were horrifically unjustified. From the point of view of someone
who is familiar with American culture, this consensus seems unfounded for
a few reasons. These following
arguments will take the video at face value and will not consider his
occupation or background as an American.
First is that when Jimmy Kimmel said that the child’s idea was “
interesting”, it doesn't necessarily mean that he’s actively supporting it
. The full definition of interesting as defined by Merriam Webster is “
holding the attention”. This means that JK did not actively voice support
for this suggested policy. It simply means that it attracted his attention
which could also mean that he finds it particularly surprising that a child
could possibly come up with such a cruel solution. A common argument that
has arisen is that JK shouldn't have even aired such slander; however, he
traps the child in a contradiction by leading him into the conclusion that
the United States should in fact pay their debts. He clearly and loudly asks
if “this country should be forced to pay…” after he makes it clear that
people should pay off their debts, and shows that since paying the debt is
obviously the morally correct choice, that the child’s argument of killing
the Chinese is fundamentally wrong both logically and morally when he asks:
“but you just said kill everyone in China a while ago… what happened to
that?”. In addition, the line “should we allow the Chinese to live?” is a
question, which means that it carries no opinion forward.
Second, the most important part of the show that I believe truly
contextualizes and casts JK in a completely different light is his comment
that the show was “the lord of the flies edition” of kid’s table. This
remark was immediately followed by a laugh track, marking it as clearly
understandable by the majority of the United States and making sure that it
is acknowledged by the audience. What a vast amount a lot of people may not
have is the experience of reading British author William Golding’s novel:
The Lord Of The Flies. The Lord of the Flies is a book that centers around
describing the human condition with a complete lack of constraints. The
story is about a group of boys who are stranded on a deserted island. At
first, they attempt to recreate a civilized society much like the one that
they’d left behind, but it quickly breaks down and they are reduced to
savagery. A critique on the true nature of humans, it describes the natural
human as nasty, vile, and brutal. The boys end up killing each other and
destruction prevails. An understanding of JK’s reference to the Lord of The
Flies is imperative to any discussion about JK’s message to the audience
because it shows that he believes that the children’s comments were much
like the behavior exhibited by the savage boys on the deserted island. This
means that JK truly does NOT believe that Chinese people deserve to be
killed, as he does end up portraying these kids as morally wrong.
Even though these lines of the video are crucial to his message, the media
outlets are skewing the general consensus about him. After inputting the
keywords “Jimmy Kimmel China” and clicking on the first link which is
provided below, I read an article that took his lines completely out of
context and even lies about the order! Here’s the excerpt from the article:
"America owes China a lot of money, $1.3 trillion," Kimmel told the children
. "How should we pay them back?"
"Shoot cannons all the way over and kill everyone in China," the boy said.
"Kill everyone in China? OK, that's an interesting idea," Kimmel said, then
asked the group, "Should we allow the Chinese to live?"
While one boy said, "No," most of the children said, "Yes," CNN said.
Now if you do a quick comparison of THAT article and the full catalog of
everything JK actually said in the video, you’ll find a few differences.
Differences that make all the difference when mulling over his innocence/
guilt.
The article completely fails to include the two major dialog that I spoke
about in the paragraph above, and the article also falsely places the blame
on JK for making the choice to air the segment. Since Jimmy Kimmel’s
occupation is clearly being an actor, it makes sense to come to the
conclusion that the person choosing what airs on TV is probably not the
actor, but other employees who are responsible for editing and scheduling
time-slots on TV. I have provided the excerpt below.
“LOS ANGELES, Nov. 1 (UPI) -- TV talk show host Jimmy Kimmel apologized to
the Chinese and Chinese-American communities for airing a little boy's
bloodthirsty remarks about attacking China.”
The media’s portrayal of JK has twisted the story and I believe that this
is very problematic because it’s giving the Chinese people a false cause to
rally behind. I am able to understand the entire
video’s cultural references so I’m assuming that most other Americans will
also come to some of the same conclusions that I came to. Even though I do
believe that the intent is noble, there is a problem because this isn't the
right rallying point.
Another view that could easily pardon JK is the fact that this "kid's table"
episode centered around the United State's debt crisis and possible ways to
solve it. The use of China as the country in question was done not because
JK is racist, but because it's a statement of fact to say that the United
States owes China a tremendous amount of money. The comments that he makes
are NOT racially charged as he doesn't stereotype any particular race at all
. In fact, the "killing" is a question of debtors and creditors i.e. "kill
the people we owe money to", not "kill Chinese people because they're bad".
He makes no racist argument like： “Chinese people are violent people". The
statements in the video make the country in question completely arbitrary,
which is another way to show that JK was not racist.
Now, let’s pretend that JK did in fact “agree” to the policy of killing
China’s people. I think it’s a valid argument to say that for most Chinese
people protesting, the first JK video they ever watched was the video in
question. I have actually been watching JK for years and I’m very familiar
with “Kid’s table”. Kid’s table is not meant to take kids seriously. In
fact, he intends for people to just have a nice laugh about the naivety and
the wide variety of dispositions that kids can display. If he were to “
agree” to the policy he would be doing his comical act and just playing
along for the laughs. In no way would JK actually take a child’s word and
legitimately try to send the message that the kid speaks the absolute truth.
Comedians by nature are also “offensive” in the United States, and the
Chinese community’s reaction is completely different than the reactions of
other races which may make this recent Chinese movement look bad because
American people have already come to accept the fact that comedy is a break
from reality and not to be taken seriously. American comedians are already
accustomed to poking fun at sensitive topics like: abortion, or gay rights.
The material of these comedians may seem extremely
offensive to some, but the nature of their job is to not be taken seriously
. This means that the recent protests could in fact backfire on the Chinese
and make the rest of the nation believe that the Chinese are over-reacting
to a trivial issue.
PART TWO:
Now let’s pretend that Jimmy Kimmel himself said: “yes that is a very good
idea”. I believe that the Chinese community that is calling for more out
of him (he has already apologized) is going way too far. He shouldn’t be
fired because this would have been a first offense, and he would have been
ignorant to any cultural norms he’d been infringing upon. He has already
issued a full, public apology and trying to inflict more suffering upon his
life would just be beating a dead horse with a stick. Instead, the Chinese
community would do better by showing itself as calm, and understanding that
all humans are fallible. From my point of view, it looks as if the movement
has moved from a political statement to a witch-hunt.
Here’s what I believe to be a better solution to the current situation:
First, calling for the punishment of someone who wronged someone because of
racial prejudices. Sound familiar? That’s because it was a significant
rallying point for the African American community during the recent Trayvon
Martin trials. The problem is that the “solution” was an attack on the
result of the problem. The better solution would have been going for the
source of the problem as these protests on isolated, publicized incidents
don’t actually provide the proper avenue to a successful change. If JK is
fired, so what? The Chinese people do not take a step forward because the
real problem was the boy who suggested the policy in the first place. His
ignorance made him say that cruel statement on television and JK being fired
has absolutely no affect on today’s racist youth. The only way for the
community to overcome this racism is to have today’s population be educated
on the true nature of the Chinese people and why we deserve the same
recognition as human beings. This would solve for the root problem of racism
as not only would the child have not made that comment at all, but it
becomes a more universal band-aid to all future wrongs too in that it helps
prevent future problems from arising. What I think the Chinese people should
be rallying for is reform of the US public education system to include the
labors of the Chinese people in its curriculum, because I also believe that
without a doubt that the child’s suggestion to kill all the Chinese people
was horrifically inexcusable and should never have happened. Currently, it
is mandatory for public schools to teach about the Japanese internment camps
that imprisoned Japanese-Americans during WWII. This teaching curbs the
racism that could occur as a result of WWII as it humanizes them and shows
the American public that they are also people with their own lives. I think
that including more information about the hard work of China’s immigrants
would definitely increase the respect and recognition for the current
population of China living in the United States and overseas.
Finally, I’d like to pre-empt some arguments that people might have
POLITICIANS ARE SAYING THAT HE SHOULD BE FIRED:
politicians are primarily motivated by the vote, so citing them as a
credible source for a compelling reason to do bad things to Jimmy Kimmel
doesn’t make sense because their public actions are all carefully
calculated for the best possible public reaction.
COMEDY SHOULD HAVE LIMITS. COMEDIANS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO SAY THESE
KINDS OF THINGS:
if comedy cannot offend anyone, then no medium for entertainment could ever
exist as there’s always going to be at least one minority group that is
offended by the medium. If you’ve read Fahrenheit 451, Captain Beatty tells
Guy Montag that all the reading and mediums for expression were banned
because everything offended at least one minority.
HIS APOLOGY WASN'T SINCERE
What is he supposed to do then? either A: he doesn't apologize which makes
everyone angry, or B：he apologizes and everyone claims that he's not
speaking the truth
Thanks you for your time, and I hope you’ll be able to understand and
consider my point of view |
P*********t
发帖数: 4451 | 2 Re: 转一个ABC写的关于Jimmy kimmel 事件的看法
So fake in contents.
So fake in introduction and set up.
So dishonest and intentionally misleading in thread TOPIC (ABC)
5 mao won't quit. People can see it more and more clear.
STOP it already!
We will protest and we will succeed. |
c********d
发帖数: 11593 | 3 连Lord of the flies都出来了。这玩意拍成的电影是PG级，把它的台词放在有小孩参
与的节目里是什么意思？一边口口声声“他只是个孩子”一边把儿童不宜的电影台词拿
来教唆孩子，这群人是犯二呢还是犯二呢？ |
g******l
发帖数: 5103 | 4 此人观点和我基本一致
【在 y**8 的大作中提到】
: 今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
: Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
: “kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
: “you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
: “that will never happen”
: “when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
: “but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
: “should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
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j*********g
发帖数: 3179 | 5 中国只是美国国债最大的“外国”债主。
美国国债最大的债主是federal reserve有50%以上的美国国债。jk怎么不开银行家的玩
笑说kill all bankers/Jews？还不是涮老中最安全。我们抗议的目的就是要美国媒体
涮老中变的不那么安全。
understand？
【在 y**8 的大作中提到】
: 今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
: Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
: “kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
: “you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
: “that will never happen”
: “when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
: “but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
: “should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
|
m*********7
发帖数: 5207 | 6 Exactly!
【在 c********d 的大作中提到】
: 连Lord of the flies都出来了。这玩意拍成的电影是PG级，把它的台词放在有小孩参
: 与的节目里是什么意思？一边口口声声“他只是个孩子”一边把儿童不宜的电影台词拿
: 来教唆孩子，这群人是犯二呢还是犯二呢？
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l******t
发帖数: 2113 | 7 所有持反对意见的人都在missing a point，到这个阶段，游行抗议的目的已经不是这
个show的问题了，是要借这个机会向美国社会发出一个信号，Chinese/Asians are not
to be messed with or joked about! Very much like you can't joke about Jews
and Blacks on national TV!
It's time to let the American public know that they can't just scapegoat
China or Chinese people for whatever problems they have!
所以任何关于JK的joke是不是个joke，华人有无必要这么反应，都是无关的话题了。只
有一个结论，这样的反应非常有必要，因为在美国，不发出声音的群体就是被忽视甚至
被“屠杀”的群体，中国在美华人必须更多的参与到美国的政治社会事务中去，这样才
会有跟其他族裔一样的平等权益！ |
m*h
发帖数: 850 | 8 结合最近国际形势，这个时期游行游行未必是好事，容易被误读。
not
Jews
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 所有持反对意见的人都在missing a point，到这个阶段，游行抗议的目的已经不是这
: 个show的问题了，是要借这个机会向美国社会发出一个信号，Chinese/Asians are not
: to be messed with or joked about! Very much like you can't joke about Jews
: and Blacks on national TV!
: It's time to let the American public know that they can't just scapegoat
: China or Chinese people for whatever problems they have!
: 所以任何关于JK的joke是不是个joke，华人有无必要这么反应，都是无关的话题了。只
: 有一个结论，这样的反应非常有必要，因为在美国，不发出声音的群体就是被忽视甚至
: 被“屠杀”的群体，中国在美华人必须更多的参与到美国的政治社会事务中去，这样才
: 会有跟其他族裔一样的平等权益！
|
x*****u
发帖数: 6559 | 9 告诉abc，这版上的人除了自己专业的书和文章，英文没看过超过一页的。 |
l********n
发帖数: 364 | 10 发表言论还需要审时度势 有这么难?
【在 m*h 的大作中提到】
: 结合最近国际形势，这个时期游行游行未必是好事，容易被误读。
:
: not
: Jews
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j***o
发帖数: 5096 | 11 这个ABC写得太他妈的长了，麻烦谁给个中文摘要谢了
【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
: 告诉abc，这版上的人除了自己专业的书和文章，英文没看过超过一页的。
|
m*********7
发帖数: 5207 | 12 Speaking for yourself
【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
: 告诉abc，这版上的人除了自己专业的书和文章，英文没看过超过一页的。
|
L**1
发帖数: 54 | 13 zhichi!
【在 m*********7 的大作中提到】
: Speaking for yourself
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L**1
发帖数: 54 | 14 顶。
not
Jews
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 所有持反对意见的人都在missing a point，到这个阶段，游行抗议的目的已经不是这
: 个show的问题了，是要借这个机会向美国社会发出一个信号，Chinese/Asians are not
: to be messed with or joked about! Very much like you can't joke about Jews
: and Blacks on national TV!
: It's time to let the American public know that they can't just scapegoat
: China or Chinese people for whatever problems they have!
: 所以任何关于JK的joke是不是个joke，华人有无必要这么反应，都是无关的话题了。只
: 有一个结论，这样的反应非常有必要，因为在美国，不发出声音的群体就是被忽视甚至
: 被“屠杀”的群体，中国在美华人必须更多的参与到美国的政治社会事务中去，这样才
: 会有跟其他族裔一样的平等权益！
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c***0
发帖数: 39 | 15 专业写手就是不一样，下笔成千言，奖金多多拿。可惜没人看。不拿钱来这儿的基本都
支持抗议到底。 |
x****o
发帖数: 29677 | 16 这人脑子坏了，妄想美国公平正义，就媒体天天摸黑中国这个劲头，你一张嘴能让美国
人转过思维来么
另外大家抗议，就是为了让媒体不要再跨线，只有政治上正确，惹不起，地位才能崛起
，黑人，油太人都是先从政治上正确做起的 |
m**n
发帖数: 9010 | 17 游行的目的可以是这个"向美国社会发出一个信号".
所以如果游行的时候, 有人去到游行队伍前面说: "我反对游行",
你当然可以这样反驳.
问题是, 没人在这个BBS上游行. 在这儿大家不就是讨论观点么?
如果谁的观点就是我们"是要借这个机会向美国社会发出一个信号",
我看不会有多少反对意见.
那些吸引反对意见的, 并不是你这个观点.
所以实际上miss the point的是你.
not
Jews
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 所有持反对意见的人都在missing a point，到这个阶段，游行抗议的目的已经不是这
: 个show的问题了，是要借这个机会向美国社会发出一个信号，Chinese/Asians are not
: to be messed with or joked about! Very much like you can't joke about Jews
: and Blacks on national TV!
: It's time to let the American public know that they can't just scapegoat
: China or Chinese people for whatever problems they have!
: 所以任何关于JK的joke是不是个joke，华人有无必要这么反应，都是无关的话题了。只
: 有一个结论，这样的反应非常有必要，因为在美国，不发出声音的群体就是被忽视甚至
: 被“屠杀”的群体，中国在美华人必须更多的参与到美国的政治社会事务中去，这样才
: 会有跟其他族裔一样的平等权益！
|
W***9
发帖数: 4834 | 18 90,888.【 在 ye88 (ye88) 的大作中提到: 】 |
A*******s
发帖数: 153 | 19 I must admit that the author actually got a point.
JK is not the real problem here. You cannot force people to apologize if
they don't want to. What you can get is just another statement from the PR
department that he didn't mean it.
We should take the following advice, and focus on the education of children.
Promote and establish a normal Chinese community image is far more
important than just asking JK to be fired.
【在 y**8 的大作中提到】
: 今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
: Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
: “kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
: “you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
: “that will never happen”
: “when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
: “but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
: “should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
|
D********r
发帖数: 522 | 20 I agree what the ABC's comment and believe after this occasion, our long
term goal is to try putting Chinese labor on educational text books.
Actually one of a white parent told me a couple years ago why don't we fight
for putting Chinese Labor on the kids test books when I tried to get her
signature on overturning a law that put GLBT group on the textbooks.
Although I agree with what mostly he says, I still strongly support
protesting Jimmy Kimmel's Kids at Table program and ABC.
Like what this ABC well said in the argument, Jimmy should not hand pick
China as a scapegoat target. There are so many US debtor and China is not
the single biggest debtor of US government. Whey couldn't he choose a more
general questions to ask?
Like this ABC, I got all the lines and I am very skeptical that these don't
come out from kids. All these lines are deliberately organized. The second
kid said "Building a big wall..." and Jimmy responded "you're saying build a
wall in China? a huge big great kind of wall?". That is a double
implication. He is joking the Great Wall in China. This was the very true
impression of me when heard Jimmy said that. I don't believe those kids are
so genius to utter these comments to serve the program's attach on China.
This is why we still need to protest to send a message to the Media and
politicians that playing the same old scapegoat China game is no longer
tolerated and they should treat Chinese as the same as other races. They
have to be more sensitive or they have to see us as a existing group in the
states. We are not think skin invisibles anymore.
All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
“kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
“you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
“that will never happen”
“when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
“but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
“should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
-response: YES
“but you just said kill everyone in china a while ago…what happened to
that?”
“should we allow the Chinese to live?”
“well this has been an interesting edition of kids table: the lord of the
flies edition (LAUGHTER) I’d like to thank my correspondents ___….”
【在 y**8 的大作中提到】
: 今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
: Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
: “kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
: “you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
: “that will never happen”
: “when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
: “but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
: “should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
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d*********o
发帖数: 366 | 21 屁大点事哈哈一笑就过去了，国内拆迁死了这么多人也没见这帮人抗议，这次抗议本身
肯定有共党特务在背后推手。有个网评员连发两贴保护抗议，太明显了 |
j*********g
发帖数: 3179 | 22 顶顶顶
not
Jews
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 所有持反对意见的人都在missing a point，到这个阶段，游行抗议的目的已经不是这
: 个show的问题了，是要借这个机会向美国社会发出一个信号，Chinese/Asians are not
: to be messed with or joked about! Very much like you can't joke about Jews
: and Blacks on national TV!
: It's time to let the American public know that they can't just scapegoat
: China or Chinese people for whatever problems they have!
: 所以任何关于JK的joke是不是个joke，华人有无必要这么反应，都是无关的话题了。只
: 有一个结论，这样的反应非常有必要，因为在美国，不发出声音的群体就是被忽视甚至
: 被“屠杀”的群体，中国在美华人必须更多的参与到美国的政治社会事务中去，这样才
: 会有跟其他族裔一样的平等权益！
|
P*********t
发帖数: 4451 | 23 Jiu shi! :)
【在 c***0 的大作中提到】
: 专业写手就是不一样，下笔成千言，奖金多多拿。可惜没人看。不拿钱来这儿的基本都
: 支持抗议到底。
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J**i
发帖数: 29 | 24 The so-called "ABC" tried to justify what the JK show presented to national
audience. But, teaching kids to kill is not a joke!!!
【在 y**8 的大作中提到】
: 今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
: Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
: “kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
: “you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
: “that will never happen”
: “when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
: “but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
: “should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
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C*****e
发帖数: 2102 | 25 "It does not necessarily mean he supports it". so Jimmy is not guilty.
OK, Jimmy Kennel should immediately STOP that killing argument as a media
person. He did not. And he promotes it, in a comical way. Guilty!
This is not about culture. The person who wrote this is trying to make all
excuses.
【在 y**8 的大作中提到】
: 今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
: Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
: “kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
: “you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
: “that will never happen”
: “when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
: “but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
: “should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
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b*****n
发帖数: 2324 | 26 说的太对了，顶你！
not
Jews
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 所有持反对意见的人都在missing a point，到这个阶段，游行抗议的目的已经不是这
: 个show的问题了，是要借这个机会向美国社会发出一个信号，Chinese/Asians are not
: to be messed with or joked about! Very much like you can't joke about Jews
: and Blacks on national TV!
: It's time to let the American public know that they can't just scapegoat
: China or Chinese people for whatever problems they have!
: 所以任何关于JK的joke是不是个joke，华人有无必要这么反应，都是无关的话题了。只
: 有一个结论，这样的反应非常有必要，因为在美国，不发出声音的群体就是被忽视甚至
: 被“屠杀”的群体，中国在美华人必须更多的参与到美国的政治社会事务中去，这样才
: 会有跟其他族裔一样的平等权益！
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x*****u
发帖数: 6559 | 27
我肯定不是，美帝义务教育虽然要求低，但是比锁男强太多。
【在 m*********7 的大作中提到】
: Speaking for yourself
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 28 抗议的起因不够有说服力。得不到非华人群体理解和支持。连华人内部都分歧严重。因
为这个很难说是严重的明确的过犯。而且有儿童的因素，对方也比较好自圆其说。在美
国生活时间长的华人会有更多人持类似这个转帖的观点
黑人民权斗争光靠黑人是做不到的。因为他们suffered 的 injustice是非常严重，所
以他们的cause能获得广泛同情和支持。这也是黑人民权运动成功的重要原因。
华人争取政治正确敏感度，不想做easy target是完全正确的诉求。因为华人是极少数
民族，所以自身政治力量严重不足，所以争取同盟同情理解就更重要。所以，运动要能
获取广泛同情和支持非常重要。但是这次事件的起因无法justify运动的规模和强度，
其实反而有负作用。
不要为反而反，要理性选择斗争目标和事件才能获得良好效果。
not
Jews
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 所有持反对意见的人都在missing a point，到这个阶段，游行抗议的目的已经不是这
: 个show的问题了，是要借这个机会向美国社会发出一个信号，Chinese/Asians are not
: to be messed with or joked about! Very much like you can't joke about Jews
: and Blacks on national TV!
: It's time to let the American public know that they can't just scapegoat
: China or Chinese people for whatever problems they have!
: 所以任何关于JK的joke是不是个joke，华人有无必要这么反应，都是无关的话题了。只
: 有一个结论，这样的反应非常有必要，因为在美国，不发出声音的群体就是被忽视甚至
: 被“屠杀”的群体，中国在美华人必须更多的参与到美国的政治社会事务中去，这样才
: 会有跟其他族裔一样的平等权益！
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y**8
发帖数: 3 | 29 在文中第二部分，作者提出了可能的另一个诉求。 那就是把历史上华人对美国发展的
贡献写进教课书里。 这样才能从根本上教育所有的美国小孩。并且起到长远的效果。
【在 s**i 的大作中提到】
: 抗议的起因不够有说服力。得不到非华人群体理解和支持。连华人内部都分歧严重。因
: 为这个很难说是严重的明确的过犯。而且有儿童的因素，对方也比较好自圆其说。在美
: 国生活时间长的华人会有更多人持类似这个转帖的观点
: 黑人民权斗争光靠黑人是做不到的。因为他们suffered 的 injustice是非常严重，所
: 以他们的cause能获得广泛同情和支持。这也是黑人民权运动成功的重要原因。
: 华人争取政治正确敏感度，不想做easy target是完全正确的诉求。因为华人是极少数
: 民族，所以自身政治力量严重不足，所以争取同盟同情理解就更重要。所以，运动要能
: 获取广泛同情和支持非常重要。但是这次事件的起因无法justify运动的规模和强度，
: 其实反而有负作用。
: 不要为反而反，要理性选择斗争目标和事件才能获得良好效果。
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j*********g
发帖数: 3179 | 30 这个诉求需要人和组织来推动。现在就是一个契机。
【在 y**8 的大作中提到】
: 在文中第二部分，作者提出了可能的另一个诉求。 那就是把历史上华人对美国发展的
: 贡献写进教课书里。 这样才能从根本上教育所有的美国小孩。并且起到长远的效果。
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h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 31 你说得太对了，我们根本不需要他们道歉，我们就是要shut them up。
什么叫政治正确？政治正确就是社会里存在种族冲突，种族歧视的思潮。在心里歧视我
是你的自由，但是我就是不让你说出来，憋死你。
政治正确保证了在不平等实质上，仍让能维持住貌似平等的游戏规则。这个东西对华人
为什么重要，因为1，华人基本没有其他的资源和规则来favor我们 2. 政治正确的保护
本来就是对少数族裔的福利，但是因为华人长期的自恨和胆小不敢跳出来争取，其实他
是个low hanging fruit。
想明白这一点，才有资格参加下一步的讨论
children.
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: I must admit that the author actually got a point.
: JK is not the real problem here. You cannot force people to apologize if
: they don't want to. What you can get is just another statement from the PR
: department that he didn't mean it.
: We should take the following advice, and focus on the education of children.
: Promote and establish a normal Chinese community image is far more
: important than just asking JK to be fired.
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P*********t
发帖数: 4451 | 32 Ssri,
You are absolutely right. On many points. I totally agree with what you
wrote in the end.
But your first paragraph is where we have key difference.
Even in the first paragraph you are right about the assumption many Chinese
who stayed here long enough would agree with the original writer. And that's
exactly the situation this demonstration and it's subsequent long term
movement AIM to change.
And now excuse my French, Chinese who have lived here long are CRAP! They
are the textbook frog in warm water. So weak and so long subject to "self
planted or otherwise accquired" inferior complex, they truly are model
citizens to be raped on. They are only lucky, the USA has provided more or
less a safe heaven, so far.
If they had ANY integrity or strength, mother of Vincent Chan would never
HAVE TO pass away in such horrible disappointment.
In my eyes, Vincent died a terrible death. In the hands of typical, clueless
, intellectually challenged criminal white trash. The economic strife that
led to the tragedy might have had been prolonging but the actual incident
culminated in heat of moment.
Vincent's mother on the other hand suffered much worse and much longer. It
was more than mere loss of a young son! Which in itself is unbearable and
more than any mother could take.
In addition, and worse, She suffered WCAFTWATDSFOOG. The "we Chinese are
fucking too weak and too damned smart for our own good" syndrome. Sadly that
's not her disease. That's a disease we have as a people, as a race, as a
community.
If you think 1980 as a time too long ago, you only need to look at the
unfair handling of Chinese American army soldiers death for recent examples.
I am glad we have the cirtical mass to start this demonstration in the US.
It's no longer acceptable to "accept" any unfriendly joke coming fromthe
media.
It's no longer smart to think "in line" with "the majority" and sell ones
soul.
It's high time to open eyes and be honest with oneself and grow a spine.
It's exciting this even started!!! I am grateful to all who refused to
suffer WCRFTWATDSFOOG any longer.
【在 s**i 的大作中提到】
: 抗议的起因不够有说服力。得不到非华人群体理解和支持。连华人内部都分歧严重。因
: 为这个很难说是严重的明确的过犯。而且有儿童的因素，对方也比较好自圆其说。在美
: 国生活时间长的华人会有更多人持类似这个转帖的观点
: 黑人民权斗争光靠黑人是做不到的。因为他们suffered 的 injustice是非常严重，所
: 以他们的cause能获得广泛同情和支持。这也是黑人民权运动成功的重要原因。
: 华人争取政治正确敏感度，不想做easy target是完全正确的诉求。因为华人是极少数
: 民族，所以自身政治力量严重不足，所以争取同盟同情理解就更重要。所以，运动要能
: 获取广泛同情和支持非常重要。但是这次事件的起因无法justify运动的规模和强度，
: 其实反而有负作用。
: 不要为反而反，要理性选择斗争目标和事件才能获得良好效果。
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o**o
发帖数: 3964 | 33 Should I fuck your mom?
No, of course no! First, it's an indecent proposal. Second, we are friends,
friend don't mess with friends mom.
Now, should we leave this ABC's mom alone?
Of course my friend. We all learned a valuable lesson.
【在 y**8 的大作中提到】
: 今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
: Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
: “kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
: “you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
: “that will never happen”
: “when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
: “but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
: “should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
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q******3
发帖数: 622 | 34 这abc让我刮目相看。好佩服。做事很严谨，理性。我们华裔小孩果然龙生龙。欣慰。
【在 y**8 的大作中提到】
: 今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
: Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
: “kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
: “you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
: “that will never happen”
: “when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
: “but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
: “should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
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y**8
发帖数: 3 | 35 您说的很对。我正和文章的作者沟通，争取得到他的帮助正式提出这一诉求。
【在 j*********g 的大作中提到】
: 这个诉求需要人和组织来推动。现在就是一个契机。
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