o*****d
发帖数: 609 | 1 很多与印度阿三共过事的老中都会抱怨，说阿三们喜欢相互提拔，对华人比较傲慢和排
斥，对美国人低三下四，有喜欢阳奉阴违等等恶行。跟据我个人的经验和观察，我觉得
主要有二点造成这个印象。一是西方比较喜欢印度，主流媒体很少公开批评印度。但中
国却常常是美国媒体攻击和泄愤的目标。这就难免让阿三有种优越感。第二个原因是中
国人过于谦虚和客套。有时这种谦虚与自卑的界限很难把握，所以常常被误认为是自卑
。对于第一点，短时间内我们无能为力，只有让时间来改变西方对中国的印象，同时尽
量不要内斗，批评共党事实上有损于中国的国际形象。
对于第二点，我们完全可以克服。印度强烈的有种姓等级观念。经管法律上早已废除了
等级制（Caste System），但人们的观念没有变。特别是上等阶级，非常鄙视比自己等
级低的人。我有位关系不错的印度教授跟我说，印度人中等级很多很复杂，一般可以从
姓氏上辨别出一个人的家庭等级。等级高的人绝对看不起比自己等级低的人。那位印度
同事还说，在美国，当一个印度人遇到其他印度人时，他一定会先设法搞清对方的等级
。然后按等级决定尊卑。等级高的常常指使等级低的人做事。所以，当年遇到印度人时
，你绝对不可谦虚礼让。你一旦谦虚了，对方就认为你等级低，他就会看不起你。我是
这样做的，几十年下来效果非常好。
第一次遇到印度教授或领导（同级或上级)：头要抬高，简单打声招呼，故作无所谓狀
。如果是在party上，要常常有意无意地出现在他周围，但要有意冷落他，不要主动搭
腔。如果他再次过来主动与你说话，说明他不认为你比他抵挡。你在气势上赢了，将来
他不会亏待你。
遇到印度学生或下级：假装没有看到。如果他主动来跟你打招呼，你就说 excuse me,
假装听不懂他的英语，迫使他重复一遍甚至二遍。老印对自己的口音有自卑感。这样马
上把他的傲气打了下去。然后说话语气要汹狠些，绝对不要让他觉得你很好说话。这样
，他就会在潜意识里把你当成等级比他高的人。我办公室的门一般虚掩着。印度学生第
一次来找我，常常推门而入。这时，我就会跟他们讲，进来前一定要敲门。当他们跟我
讲什么事时，我假装听不懂他们的英语。他们重覆几遍后，我自己还要用清晰标准的英
语重复一遍，问他们是不是这个意思，还要教育他们如何发"r"音。第一次规矩做好了
，以后服服帖帖。这也是一位前辈教的。在此之前，老印学生居然敢跟我顶嘴。我这招
用了几十年，never fail.当然，英文太差的人还是回国发展，不然在美国是永无出头
之日。 |
j********p
发帖数: 9680 | |
v**********g
发帖数: 102 | 3 一句话，如果以礼待阿三，阿三会骑到你头上来。如果把阿三当下人叱喝，他就会对你
恭恭敬敬 |
a******7
发帖数: 7936 | 4 此招同样适用于部分国人，我是说部分
【在 v**********g 的大作中提到】
: 一句话，如果以礼待阿三，阿三会骑到你头上来。如果把阿三当下人叱喝，他就会对你
: 恭恭敬敬
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R******1
发帖数: 750 | 5 不全是，我总体讨厌印度人，但是来美国接触的第一个印度人是我找TA的教授，人特别
nice，给我活儿干，从不催促，不给deadline，还跟系里的管事说我干活儿干的特别好
，工作给我写推荐信什么的。 |
b*******u
发帖数: 66 | |
r******d
发帖数: 308 | 7 这个总结厉害， 对印度人是没有必要谦虚
不过有没有针对公司的攻略啊 ：） |
j**********g
发帖数: 204 | |
k**0
发帖数: 19737 | 9 虽然是有好有坏，但总体来说
如果你和他们平级或低级， 那十个阿三里只会有一个好的。
如果你是他们上级， 十个阿三都对你毕恭毕敬。 |
s**********a
发帖数: 3273 | 10 如果你还有一个平级的阿三，你手底下那十个阿三会联合那个平级把你挤走。
【在 k**0 的大作中提到】
: 虽然是有好有坏，但总体来说
: 如果你和他们平级或低级， 那十个阿三里只会有一个好的。
: 如果你是他们上级， 十个阿三都对你毕恭毕敬。
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u***n
发帖数: 10554 | 11 他是不是在美国出生长大的？或者很小就过来的？
【在 R******1 的大作中提到】
: 不全是，我总体讨厌印度人，但是来美国接触的第一个印度人是我找TA的教授，人特别
: nice，给我活儿干，从不催促，不给deadline，还跟系里的管事说我干活儿干的特别好
: ，工作给我写推荐信什么的。
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w********o
发帖数: 10088 | 12 牛，哈哈
我也有这个感觉
跟老印在一起，你得比他们还牛气
【在 o*****d 的大作中提到】
: 很多与印度阿三共过事的老中都会抱怨，说阿三们喜欢相互提拔，对华人比较傲慢和排
: 斥，对美国人低三下四，有喜欢阳奉阴违等等恶行。跟据我个人的经验和观察，我觉得
: 主要有二点造成这个印象。一是西方比较喜欢印度，主流媒体很少公开批评印度。但中
: 国却常常是美国媒体攻击和泄愤的目标。这就难免让阿三有种优越感。第二个原因是中
: 国人过于谦虚和客套。有时这种谦虚与自卑的界限很难把握，所以常常被误认为是自卑
: 。对于第一点，短时间内我们无能为力，只有让时间来改变西方对中国的印象，同时尽
: 量不要内斗，批评共党事实上有损于中国的国际形象。
: 对于第二点，我们完全可以克服。印度强烈的有种姓等级观念。经管法律上早已废除了
: 等级制（Caste System），但人们的观念没有变。特别是上等阶级，非常鄙视比自己等
: 级低的人。我有位关系不错的印度教授跟我说，印度人中等级很多很复杂，一般可以从
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a******o
发帖数: 261 | 13 idiots here.
you are dealing w/ them in professional settings which means ultimately it's
the perceived contribution of the individual to the business that decides
your ranking order.
so work on your engineering skills, social skills, presentation skills, and
politics - stupid little mind games here are quite quixotic - they may make
you feel better but ultimately you are the fool in thinking it actually
solves anything. |
N*********3
发帖数: 7 | 14 说得好！！！
但有时候这阿三实在 阳奉阴违的很，有时候因为position问题受制于这帮XXX！！！ |
d***f
发帖数: 164 | 15 what you called stupid little mind game, is a part of social skills
's
and
make
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: idiots here.
: you are dealing w/ them in professional settings which means ultimately it's
: the perceived contribution of the individual to the business that decides
: your ranking order.
: so work on your engineering skills, social skills, presentation skills, and
: politics - stupid little mind games here are quite quixotic - they may make
: you feel better but ultimately you are the fool in thinking it actually
: solves anything.
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h*****p
发帖数: 1516 | |
a******o
发帖数: 261 | 17 duh! - that's my point in even mentioning "social skills".
there's time and place for everything. i'll be the first to say i do it
from time to time to make a point in certain situations against certain
individuals (not necessarily against any race in particular). but to play
these games indiscriminately while paying no consideration to overall
professional and personal objectives, business context, power, politics and
personality involved, is at best childish and at worst professionally
suicidal.
【在 d***f 的大作中提到】
: what you called stupid little mind game, is a part of social skills
:
: 's
: and
: make
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s**********a
发帖数: 3273 | 18 "ultimately it's the perceived contribution of the individual to
the business that decides your ranking order."
你太嫩了。还是先多点阅历再说吧。
's
and
make
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: idiots here.
: you are dealing w/ them in professional settings which means ultimately it's
: the perceived contribution of the individual to the business that decides
: your ranking order.
: so work on your engineering skills, social skills, presentation skills, and
: politics - stupid little mind games here are quite quixotic - they may make
: you feel better but ultimately you are the fool in thinking it actually
: solves anything.
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a******o
发帖数: 261 | 19 don't think so buddy.
this is how the professional game is played at the simplest level - i've
been on plenty of ranking calls and there's always a lot of horse trading
going on. sometimes it's obvious that an exec is favoring a particular
protege, but nevertheless he still has to do it via drumming up his
candidate's perceived accomplishment. i've had my own protege promoted and
be ranked #1 in his class (who happened to be a 2nd generation Indian w/ a
MBA from Chicago, for whatever its worth),
as well as having to rescue someone from the bottom of the rank. One thing
for sure - it takes a lot to be at the top but it doesn't take much to be at
the bottom: if someone is perceived to have attitude issue or, worse,
acting unprofessional and/or is a bad teammate, he will find himself at the
bottom of the force ranking rather effortlessly.
i dumb all that down on purpose but since you can't even understand that,
all i can say is good luck to you - please go on w/ your silly mind games
which has zero focus or real professional objectives; i am sure you'd be a
superstar professionally and earn the deepest respect of not just indians,
but every other race in no time.
【在 s**********a 的大作中提到】
: "ultimately it's the perceived contribution of the individual to
: the business that decides your ranking order."
: 你太嫩了。还是先多点阅历再说吧。
:
: 's
: and
: make
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R******1
发帖数: 750 | 20 不是，印度读的本科后来美国读的Ph.D然后当faculty的，而且我干活的时候还不是特
别听话的那种，比如他要用这种软件做的我就偏用别的软件，还和他理论。他的要求我
也不全部follow，我如果功课忙就拖着他的活儿，他也不催，不过他一直雇我到毕业。
系里管事的还有其他几个教授都说这印度教授在许多场合夸奖我，说找我当TA是找对人
了。我后来工作包括换工作，都有他給写的推荐信。
【在 u***n 的大作中提到】
: 他是不是在美国出生长大的？或者很小就过来的？
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c*****3
发帖数: 1655 | 21 谢谢分享，学习了！
【在 o*****d 的大作中提到】
: 很多与印度阿三共过事的老中都会抱怨，说阿三们喜欢相互提拔，对华人比较傲慢和排
: 斥，对美国人低三下四，有喜欢阳奉阴违等等恶行。跟据我个人的经验和观察，我觉得
: 主要有二点造成这个印象。一是西方比较喜欢印度，主流媒体很少公开批评印度。但中
: 国却常常是美国媒体攻击和泄愤的目标。这就难免让阿三有种优越感。第二个原因是中
: 国人过于谦虚和客套。有时这种谦虚与自卑的界限很难把握，所以常常被误认为是自卑
: 。对于第一点，短时间内我们无能为力，只有让时间来改变西方对中国的印象，同时尽
: 量不要内斗，批评共党事实上有损于中国的国际形象。
: 对于第二点，我们完全可以克服。印度强烈的有种姓等级观念。经管法律上早已废除了
: 等级制（Caste System），但人们的观念没有变。特别是上等阶级，非常鄙视比自己等
: 级低的人。我有位关系不错的印度教授跟我说，印度人中等级很多很复杂，一般可以从
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u***n
发帖数: 10554 | 22 他的姓是不是很长？
【在 R******1 的大作中提到】
: 不是，印度读的本科后来美国读的Ph.D然后当faculty的，而且我干活的时候还不是特
: 别听话的那种，比如他要用这种软件做的我就偏用别的软件，还和他理论。他的要求我
: 也不全部follow，我如果功课忙就拖着他的活儿，他也不催，不过他一直雇我到毕业。
: 系里管事的还有其他几个教授都说这印度教授在许多场合夸奖我，说找我当TA是找对人
: 了。我后来工作包括换工作，都有他給写的推荐信。
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s*****e
发帖数: 506 | |
x*****u
发帖数: 6559 | 24 批评共党事实上有损于中国的国际形象。 这是核心。 |
d******i
发帖数: 84 | 25 一盘散沙的中国人，情何以堪！
内斗明显敌不过阿三。
【在 o*****d 的大作中提到】
: 很多与印度阿三共过事的老中都会抱怨，说阿三们喜欢相互提拔，对华人比较傲慢和排
: 斥，对美国人低三下四，有喜欢阳奉阴违等等恶行。跟据我个人的经验和观察，我觉得
: 主要有二点造成这个印象。一是西方比较喜欢印度，主流媒体很少公开批评印度。但中
: 国却常常是美国媒体攻击和泄愤的目标。这就难免让阿三有种优越感。第二个原因是中
: 国人过于谦虚和客套。有时这种谦虚与自卑的界限很难把握，所以常常被误认为是自卑
: 。对于第一点，短时间内我们无能为力，只有让时间来改变西方对中国的印象，同时尽
: 量不要内斗，批评共党事实上有损于中国的国际形象。
: 对于第二点，我们完全可以克服。印度强烈的有种姓等级观念。经管法律上早已废除了
: 等级制（Caste System），但人们的观念没有变。特别是上等阶级，非常鄙视比自己等
: 级低的人。我有位关系不错的印度教授跟我说，印度人中等级很多很复杂，一般可以从
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r*******r
发帖数: 2565 | 26 感谢LZ分享。LZ的技巧其实就是social skill的一种，对任何人都适用。说到底就是“
不卑不亢，有礼有节。” |
f*****d
发帖数: 209 | 27 牛
【在 o*****d 的大作中提到】
: 很多与印度阿三共过事的老中都会抱怨，说阿三们喜欢相互提拔，对华人比较傲慢和排
: 斥，对美国人低三下四，有喜欢阳奉阴违等等恶行。跟据我个人的经验和观察，我觉得
: 主要有二点造成这个印象。一是西方比较喜欢印度，主流媒体很少公开批评印度。但中
: 国却常常是美国媒体攻击和泄愤的目标。这就难免让阿三有种优越感。第二个原因是中
: 国人过于谦虚和客套。有时这种谦虚与自卑的界限很难把握，所以常常被误认为是自卑
: 。对于第一点，短时间内我们无能为力，只有让时间来改变西方对中国的印象，同时尽
: 量不要内斗，批评共党事实上有损于中国的国际形象。
: 对于第二点，我们完全可以克服。印度强烈的有种姓等级观念。经管法律上早已废除了
: 等级制（Caste System），但人们的观念没有变。特别是上等阶级，非常鄙视比自己等
: 级低的人。我有位关系不错的印度教授跟我说，印度人中等级很多很复杂，一般可以从
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r******d
发帖数: 308 | |
s**********a
发帖数: 3273 | 29 你看问题太简单了。也许是因为你还在 career ladder 底层攀爬，做的还都
是技术上的事情。走的越往上你才能明白，there is no black/white，
everything is grey. It doesn't matter whether or not you
did the right thing. Actually sometimes there is really
no "right" or "wrong". Even there is, you can seldom get a
chance to prove. At that point, it's all about politics.
thing
at
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: don't think so buddy.
: this is how the professional game is played at the simplest level - i've
: been on plenty of ranking calls and there's always a lot of horse trading
: going on. sometimes it's obvious that an exec is favoring a particular
: protege, but nevertheless he still has to do it via drumming up his
: candidate's perceived accomplishment. i've had my own protege promoted and
: be ranked #1 in his class (who happened to be a 2nd generation Indian w/ a
: MBA from Chicago, for whatever its worth),
: as well as having to rescue someone from the bottom of the rank. One thing
: for sure - it takes a lot to be at the top but it doesn't take much to be at
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a******o
发帖数: 261 | 30 i mentioned the fact that i managed ppl who held top-tier MBAs in the past
for a reason - and your take away is that i probably work on entry level
technical stuff?
the higher up you go, the points tend to be made in subtler and subtler
terms - and this wasn't even that subtle a point i made - let's just say i
am not impressed by your abilities thus far.
And when did i ever mention everything has to be black and white and/or
politics isn't important? if anything it's the opposite - what i did was
telling you in simple terms what the rules are. how you play it, to create
that "perceived" value, with whatever means, is totally up to the you.
i am seeing now that in addition to not able to follow simple concepts, you
are also unable to read or make simple inferences.
quality set of skill traits you displayed here - you've got the whole
package!
【在 s**********a 的大作中提到】
: 你看问题太简单了。也许是因为你还在 career ladder 底层攀爬，做的还都
: 是技术上的事情。走的越往上你才能明白，there is no black/white，
: everything is grey. It doesn't matter whether or not you
: did the right thing. Actually sometimes there is really
: no "right" or "wrong". Even there is, you can seldom get a
: chance to prove. At that point, it's all about politics.
:
: thing
: at
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s**********a
发帖数: 3273 | 31 LOL. OK, you win.
BTW, I got what you said. I just don't believe what you said (about you "
managed ppl who held top-tier MBAs" bulabula). Hehe.
create
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: i mentioned the fact that i managed ppl who held top-tier MBAs in the past
: for a reason - and your take away is that i probably work on entry level
: technical stuff?
: the higher up you go, the points tend to be made in subtler and subtler
: terms - and this wasn't even that subtle a point i made - let's just say i
: am not impressed by your abilities thus far.
: And when did i ever mention everything has to be black and white and/or
: politics isn't important? if anything it's the opposite - what i did was
: telling you in simple terms what the rules are. how you play it, to create
: that "perceived" value, with whatever means, is totally up to the you.
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G****e
发帖数: 11198 | 32 批评共党事实上有损于中国的国际形象
这点不敢苟同。恰恰是共党让中国的国际形象越来越糟糕了。
这是奴性表现！又是中了五毛逻辑！ |
a******o
发帖数: 261 | 33 Given the mostly technical crowd nature of this bbs, there are many other "
fitting" ways to create a lie than what i said.
Don't flatter yourself - you are not that important for me to lie to. ;)
【在 s**********a 的大作中提到】
: LOL. OK, you win.
: BTW, I got what you said. I just don't believe what you said (about you "
: managed ppl who held top-tier MBAs" bulabula). Hehe.
:
: create
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B****o
发帖数: 1393 | 34
thing
at
True. It is really superficial to play that kind of game. You don't earn
respect this way...
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: don't think so buddy.
: this is how the professional game is played at the simplest level - i've
: been on plenty of ranking calls and there's always a lot of horse trading
: going on. sometimes it's obvious that an exec is favoring a particular
: protege, but nevertheless he still has to do it via drumming up his
: candidate's perceived accomplishment. i've had my own protege promoted and
: be ranked #1 in his class (who happened to be a 2nd generation Indian w/ a
: MBA from Chicago, for whatever its worth),
: as well as having to rescue someone from the bottom of the rank. One thing
: for sure - it takes a lot to be at the top but it doesn't take much to be at
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C***a
发帖数: 1228 | 35 funny
【在 o*****d 的大作中提到】
: 很多与印度阿三共过事的老中都会抱怨，说阿三们喜欢相互提拔，对华人比较傲慢和排
: 斥，对美国人低三下四，有喜欢阳奉阴违等等恶行。跟据我个人的经验和观察，我觉得
: 主要有二点造成这个印象。一是西方比较喜欢印度，主流媒体很少公开批评印度。但中
: 国却常常是美国媒体攻击和泄愤的目标。这就难免让阿三有种优越感。第二个原因是中
: 国人过于谦虚和客套。有时这种谦虚与自卑的界限很难把握，所以常常被误认为是自卑
: 。对于第一点，短时间内我们无能为力，只有让时间来改变西方对中国的印象，同时尽
: 量不要内斗，批评共党事实上有损于中国的国际形象。
: 对于第二点，我们完全可以克服。印度强烈的有种姓等级观念。经管法律上早已废除了
: 等级制（Caste System），但人们的观念没有变。特别是上等阶级，非常鄙视比自己等
: 级低的人。我有位关系不错的印度教授跟我说，印度人中等级很多很复杂，一般可以从
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s**********a
发帖数: 3273 | 36 Hehe, who knows. Somebody is just so used to live in a lie on internet.
I am no important to you for sure, vice versa. But you could be so desperate
to win an argument in this virtual world that you can fake whatever you
believe necessary to support your point. And all these of course are just to
self-comfort a loser in the real world.
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: Given the mostly technical crowd nature of this bbs, there are many other "
: fitting" ways to create a lie than what i said.
: Don't flatter yourself - you are not that important for me to lie to. ;)
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n******u
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