a****2
发帖数: 1458 | 1 每天死1w 一年也就365w 10年才3650w 10年也死不上3%的人口 算个屁啊 |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 2 I have said to the people in this forum, preventing 0.5% of population dying
does not worth a year of shutdown. Many people disagree.
【在 a****2 的大作中提到】
: 每天死1w 一年也就365w 10年才3650w 10年也死不上3%的人口 算个屁啊
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 3 美国CDC最新的估算，真证实了 新冠0.5%的死亡。。
不过，新冠的厉害是短时间迅速扩散，冲垮医疗，lock down 能亚平曲线，没有疫苗时
：I have said to the people in this forum, preventing 0.5% of population
dying does not worth a year of shutdown. Many people disagree.
： |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 4 Short term lock down, yes. It can "flatten the curve". However, it shouldn't
be more than 2 weeks, and should only aim for reducing the transmission to
a degree the healthcare system can handle.
The government should tell people the truth that covid will not be
eradicated, has a 0.5% overall death rate, plead people to be vigilant but
go about their essential businesses. Cancel large events, ask protest to be
limited in size and keep distance between people, etc.
I said a lot of "should". I know real world does not work like this way.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 美国CDC最新的估算，真证实了 新冠0.5%的死亡。。
: 不过，新冠的厉害是短时间迅速扩散，冲垮医疗，lock down 能亚平曲线，没有疫苗时
:
: ：I have said to the people in this forum, preventing 0.5% of population
: dying does not worth a year of shutdown. Many people disagree.
: ：
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 5 两周还是有点短，德州的做法可取，一开始 很蒙，lock down 一个月，然后慢慢 开放
。。
结果和 严格lock down 的 加州， 差不多，但百姓的生活 受影响小多了，地方经济也
没有hurt 那么大，学校也正常开，影响小多了，CA 现在很多地方还不开学，老师打完
疫苗，还不行，要求学生也打完。。。
't
to
be
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Short term lock down, yes. It can "flatten the curve". However, it shouldn't
: be more than 2 weeks, and should only aim for reducing the transmission to
: a degree the healthcare system can handle.
: The government should tell people the truth that covid will not be
: eradicated, has a 0.5% overall death rate, plead people to be vigilant but
: go about their essential businesses. Cancel large events, ask protest to be
: limited in size and keep distance between people, etc.
: I said a lot of "should". I know real world does not work like this way.
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 6 这个其实所有人都知道。俺们这种极左公司，在2020年三月的内部论调，都是总感染量
一定，flatten the curve。只是后来为了邮件投票，赶Trump下台，就开始大炒总感染
数。
shouldn't be more than 2 weeks, and should only aim for reducing the
transmission to a degree the healthcare system can handle.
limited in size and keep distance between people, etc.
way.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Short term lock down, yes. It can "flatten the curve". However, it shouldn't
: be more than 2 weeks, and should only aim for reducing the transmission to
: a degree the healthcare system can handle.
: The government should tell people the truth that covid will not be
: eradicated, has a 0.5% overall death rate, plead people to be vigilant but
: go about their essential businesses. Cancel large events, ask protest to be
: limited in size and keep distance between people, etc.
: I said a lot of "should". I know real world does not work like this way.
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 7 现在我支持再重新准备一个月的lock down, 等到疫苗对印度变种的效果明确了再放开。
放。。
也没有hurt 那么大，学校也正常开，影响小多了，CA 现在很多地方还不开学，老师打
完疫苗，还不行，要求学生也打完。。。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 两周还是有点短，德州的做法可取，一开始 很蒙，lock down 一个月，然后慢慢 开放
: 。。
: 结果和 严格lock down 的 加州， 差不多，但百姓的生活 受影响小多了，地方经济也
: 没有hurt 那么大，学校也正常开，影响小多了，CA 现在很多地方还不开学，老师打完
: 疫苗，还不行，要求学生也打完。。。
:
: 't
: to
: be
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 8 印度吗，lock down 很难，绝大多数百姓 没有一点“余粮”，很国人不一样。。
开。
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 现在我支持再重新准备一个月的lock down, 等到疫苗对印度变种的效果明确了再放开。
:
: 放。。
: 也没有hurt 那么大，学校也正常开，影响小多了，CA 现在很多地方还不开学，老师打
: 完疫苗，还不行，要求学生也打完。。。
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 9 我说美国需要lockdown一个月应对印度变种。。。。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 印度吗，lock down 很难，绝大多数百姓 没有一点“余粮”，很国人不一样。。
:
: 开。
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 10 这个更没可能，JB连管理印度旅客流量措施都没有。。。
这个只能等 爆了再说吧，运气好就小爆，运气不好就 类似 年底加州那样，反正美国
医疗还是 挺抗折腾的，
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 我说美国需要lockdown一个月应对印度变种。。。。
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 11 No lockdown until it's clear the Indian variant may overwhelm the hospital
in US with 50% vaccination rate. My opinion.
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 我说美国需要lockdown一个月应对印度变种。。。。
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 12 也对，提前lockdown了就没有数据了。
hospital
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: No lockdown until it's clear the Indian variant may overwhelm the hospital
: in US with 50% vaccination rate. My opinion.
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 13 不lock down， 我同意，但起码 的监控印度 国际旅客吧，哪怕抽样那种。。。
现在啥都没有 ？
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 也对，提前lockdown了就没有数据了。
:
: hospital
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 14 其实，都到这时候了，再查也没啥用了。
就像当时没能协调一起第一时间断中国一样，现在印度变种也到处都是了，断一个印度
也屁用没有。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 不lock down， 我同意，但起码 的监控印度 国际旅客吧，哪怕抽样那种。。。
: 现在啥都没有 ？
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 15 Look. This sort of scientific study must be led by a national/governmental
scientific body. For example, in UK the PHE (public health England) did
contact tracing research and has demonstrated a single dose vaccine can
prevent about half of transmission even if the vaccinated person is
symptomatic:
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56904993
In US, this is supposed to be done by the CDC, or NIAID (Fauci's institute).
However, they are just too busy on doing politics...
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 不lock down， 我同意，但起码 的监控印度 国际旅客吧，哪怕抽样那种。。。
: 现在啥都没有 ？
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 16 因为英国没参与新冠病毒的研发工作，而faucci参与了。
institute). However, they are just too busy on doing politics...
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Look. This sort of scientific study must be led by a national/governmental
: scientific body. For example, in UK the PHE (public health England) did
: contact tracing research and has demonstrated a single dose vaccine can
: prevent about half of transmission even if the vaccinated person is
: symptomatic:
: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56904993
: In US, this is supposed to be done by the CDC, or NIAID (Fauci's institute).
: However, they are just too busy on doing politics...
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 17 Well, what can I say?
Fauci should be ________.
Fill in the blank you want.
governmental
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 因为英国没参与新冠病毒的研发工作，而faucci参与了。
:
: institute). However, they are just too busy on doing politics...
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 18 刚刚新闻，5/4 号 断 ？！
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 其实，都到这时候了，再查也没啥用了。
: 就像当时没能协调一起第一时间断中国一样，现在印度变种也到处都是了，断一个印度
: 也屁用没有。
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 19 和当时断中国一样，爆发之后过一周再宣布一周后断。能跑的都跑完了，屁用没有。
印度
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 刚刚新闻，5/4 号 断 ？！
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 20 The travel ban for China was actually effective. But China does not have the
same level of daily infection as India has now...
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 和当时断中国一样，爆发之后过一周再宣布一周后断。能跑的都跑完了，屁用没有。
:
: 印度
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 21 其实是封晚了，已经从开始检查武汉入境的飞机，到全面断航隔了有3周吧。真正断航
武汉的时间比武汉封城还晚。欧洲还忙着一带一路，压根不封。
某种程度上说，当时从武汉逃到国外的人，比武汉流向国内其他城市的人还多。
the same level of daily infection as India has now...
。: :
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: The travel ban for China was actually effective. But China does not have the
: same level of daily infection as India has now...
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 22 Not many of 从武汉逃到国外的人 went to the US. That's why most US covid case
is originated from Europe.
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 其实是封晚了，已经从开始检查武汉入境的飞机，到全面断航隔了有3周吧。真正断航
: 武汉的时间比武汉封城还晚。欧洲还忙着一带一路，压根不封。
: 某种程度上说，当时从武汉逃到国外的人，比武汉流向国内其他城市的人还多。
:
: the same level of daily infection as India has now...
: 。: :
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 23 没错，但是当所有国家都差球不多的时候，直接封所有国家是一种傻逼行为。当时要是
能封纽约的话，再封欧洲还多少有点意义。
case is originated from Europe.
: the same level of daily infection as India has now...
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Not many of 从武汉逃到国外的人 went to the US. That's why most US covid case
: is originated from Europe.
|
C*******h
发帖数: 6095 | 24 现在居然还有人信CDC？嘿嘿
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 美国CDC最新的估算，真证实了 新冠0.5%的死亡。。
: 不过，新冠的厉害是短时间迅速扩散，冲垮医疗，lock down 能亚平曲线，没有疫苗时
:
: ：I have said to the people in this forum, preventing 0.5% of population
: dying does not worth a year of shutdown. Many people disagree.
: ：
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 25 Banning domestic travel within US is impossible.
After New York's outbreak, travel ban does not mean much any more for US.
断航
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 没错，但是当所有国家都差球不多的时候，直接封所有国家是一种傻逼行为。当时要是
: 能封纽约的话，再封欧洲还多少有点意义。
:
: case is originated from Europe.
: : the same level of daily infection as India has now...
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 26 纽约的前几例疑似出现的时间远在于意大利爆发之前，无非是傻逼CDC的试剂盒测得奇
慢而已。所以既然不能封纽约，就不存在封欧洲的道理。
而傻逼CDC的试剂盒测得奇慢的原因，多半是faucci试图捂盖子。。。。。。
US.
要是
covid
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Banning domestic travel within US is impossible.
: After New York's outbreak, travel ban does not mean much any more for US.
:
: 断航
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 27 傻逼CDC的试剂盒测得奇慢的原因... that I don't know. I tend to attribute this
type of missteps to human error rather than human malice, when there is no
evidence suggesting otherwise.
One thing I noticed is, CDC is basically treating Covid as a sort of flu
from the very beginning until now. In their test kit, they are also trying
to embed an ability to test/monitor all coronavirus. That means ever since
that time, the plan for CDC is merely monitoring the situation rather than
doing intervention to prevent outbreaks.
"Covid is a like a big flu" is for sure not Trump's invention.
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 纽约的前几例疑似出现的时间远在于意大利爆发之前，无非是傻逼CDC的试剂盒测得奇
: 慢而已。所以既然不能封纽约，就不存在封欧洲的道理。
: 而傻逼CDC的试剂盒测得奇慢的原因，多半是faucci试图捂盖子。。。。。。
:
: US.
: 要是
: covid
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 28 早就有natural的文章指出小孩的免疫系统可以很好的对付新冠，因为对小孩来说这就
是另一种common cold病毒而已。老人是死于免疫系统把他错认成一种以前遇到过的病
毒，结果生成了大量抗体却不能中和病毒。
可以想象，新冠就是在一种之前就广泛存在的低致命病毒的基础上改造出来的，和现在
的腺病毒疫苗机理一样。
this type of missteps to human error rather than human malice, when there
is no evidence suggesting otherwise.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: 傻逼CDC的试剂盒测得奇慢的原因... that I don't know. I tend to attribute this
: type of missteps to human error rather than human malice, when there is no
: evidence suggesting otherwise.
: One thing I noticed is, CDC is basically treating Covid as a sort of flu
: from the very beginning until now. In their test kit, they are also trying
: to embed an ability to test/monitor all coronavirus. That means ever since
: that time, the plan for CDC is merely monitoring the situation rather than
: doing intervention to prevent outbreaks.
: "Covid is a like a big flu" is for sure not Trump's invention.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 29 It's possible.
I hope one day we can know the truth.
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 早就有natural的文章指出小孩的免疫系统可以很好的对付新冠，因为对小孩来说这就
: 是另一种common cold病毒而已。老人是死于免疫系统把他错认成一种以前遇到过的病
: 毒，结果生成了大量抗体却不能中和病毒。
: 可以想象，新冠就是在一种之前就广泛存在的低致命病毒的基础上改造出来的，和现在
: 的腺病毒疫苗机理一样。
:
: this type of missteps to human error rather than human malice, when there
: is no evidence suggesting otherwise.
|
d******a
发帖数: 178 | 30 印度近14亿人口，按1%算，每年自然死亡1400万，平均每天38000。现在每天多死10%，
就造成了殡葬业崩溃，点火照片到处传。这跟去年某市的故事很相似。那时在同学群里
一提起这些不好理解的数字，国内同学马上笑话我被川普洗脑了。
【在 a****2 的大作中提到】
: 每天死1w 一年也就365w 10年才3650w 10年也死不上3%的人口 算个屁啊
|
j*****0
发帖数: 208 | 31 How comes nobody on this forum talk about long-term covid patients, who may
survive covid but may suffer long term disability.
Always talk about death and survive rate as if it is only thing that could
happened to the covid patients.
Also virus is evolving. With variants (B-117 and B1-617) in India, a lot of
younger people got infected and need hospitalization in India. Don't
assume what's true last year is staying true this year. |
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 32 因为你得common cold或者流感，运气不好照样瘫痪。
原因都是抗体引发的血栓，血栓部位不同会出现脑溢血，肺炎，心肌炎，冠心病，瘫痪
等不同症状。对了，打疫苗也一样。
survive covid but may suffer long term disability.
【在 j*****0 的大作中提到】
: How comes nobody on this forum talk about long-term covid patients, who may
: survive covid but may suffer long term disability.
: Always talk about death and survive rate as if it is only thing that could
: happened to the covid patients.
: Also virus is evolving. With variants (B-117 and B1-617) in India, a lot of
: younger people got infected and need hospitalization in India. Don't
: assume what's true last year is staying true this year.
|
j*****0
发帖数: 208 | 33
may
could
At what percentage suffer for cold patients vs covid patients? I hope you
are not saying cold patients suffered the same rate as covid patients. That
's clearly false.
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 因为你得common cold或者流感，运气不好照样瘫痪。
: 原因都是抗体引发的血栓，血栓部位不同会出现脑溢血，肺炎，心肌炎，冠心病，瘫痪
: 等不同症状。对了，打疫苗也一样。
:
: survive covid but may suffer long term disability.
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 34 一个直观的假设是，得这些后遗症的比率和直接死亡的比率成正比。
瘫痪
【在 j*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: may
: could
: At what percentage suffer for cold patients vs covid patients? I hope you
: are not saying cold patients suffered the same rate as covid patients. That
: 's clearly false.
|
j*****0
发帖数: 208 | 35
who
I don't agree with your assumption since it is new typical of virus. It may
cause completely different effects on human body. It may cause blood
Vessel Disease.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/06/covid-19-is-a-vascular-disease-not-a-
respiratory-one-says-study
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 一个直观的假设是，得这些后遗症的比率和直接死亡的比率成正比。
:
: 瘫痪
|
w*****g
发帖数: 4298 | 36 新冠患者后遗症的社会代价是非常高昂的
may
【在 j*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: who
: I don't agree with your assumption since it is new typical of virus. It may
: cause completely different effects on human body. It may cause blood
: Vessel Disease.
: https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/06/covid-19-is-a-vascular-disease-not-a-
: respiratory-one-says-study
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 37 所有的感冒都会，你举个例毫无意义。
【在 j*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: who
: I don't agree with your assumption since it is new typical of virus. It may
: cause completely different effects on human body. It may cause blood
: Vessel Disease.
: https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/06/covid-19-is-a-vascular-disease-not-a-
: respiratory-one-says-study
|
j*****0
发帖数: 208 | 38
病，
You only look at symptoms, not the causes. Dog and cat both have four legs,
but are different animals.
Most common colds are respiratory diseases, but covid-19 is both respiratory
disease and vascular vessel disease.
"A respiratory virus infecting blood vessel cells and circulating through
the body is virtually unheard of. Influenza viruses like H1N1 are not known
to do this, and the original SARS virus, a sister coronavirus to the current
infection, did not spread past the lung."
https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which
-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/
fulltext
https://scitechdaily.com/covid-19-is-a-vascular-disease-coronavirus-spike-
protein-attacks-vascular-system-on-a-cellular-level/
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 所有的感冒都会，你举个例毫无意义。
|
