h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 1 How Donald J. Trump Lost the White House by Patrick Byrne
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/draft-1-0-the-inside-story-of-the-steal/
----------
How DJT Lost the White House, Introduction: Why I Was Involved Before
November 3 & What I Learned Because I Was (1.3)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-
introduction-why-i-was-involved-before-november-3-and-what-i-learned-by-
doing-so/
----------
How DJT Lost the White House, November 3 – December 23: All the President’
s Team(s)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/november-3-december-23-all-the-
presidents-teams/
----------
How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 2: Was there Foreign Interference in
this Election? You Make the Call.
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-2-
was-there-foreign-interference-in-this-election-you-make-the-call/
----------
How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 3: Crashing the White House (December
18-22)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-3-
crashing-the-white-house-december-18/
----------
How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 4: The Christmas Doldrums (December 23
- noon January 6)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-4-
the-christmas-doldrums-december-23-noon-january-6/
----------
How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 5: Agitation & Chaos (January 6 – 20)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-5-
the-chaos-january-6-20/
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How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 6: The Aftermath
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-6-
the-aftermath/
(end) |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 2 How DJT Lost the White House, Introduction: Why I Was Involved Before
November 3 & What I Learned Because I Was (1.3)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-
introduction-why-i-was-involved-before-november-3-and-what-i-learned-by-
doing-so/ |
e*****e
发帖数: 2791 | 3 浪费了生命中不可寻回的五分钟读了这篇东西，看到一段话，不禁哑然失笑：
the existence of R232 ports such that any technician who can plug-in a chord
will get root-level access to the machine without a password
首先，不是 R232，而是 RS-232。其次，插根这种电线就能有 root access，那是天方
夜谭。最重要的，第三，这年头想要找个有这种接口的设备，恐怕比在路边找公用电话
还难！错非我这种老咳咳，30 岁以下的小朋友大概根本没听过。
出了一个特朗普，好端端的人都被弄得神经兮兮，疑神疑鬼，个个成了阴谋论者，连这
种东西都可信，还当宝贝走哪叼哪。（而我竟然还会去读它！）
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: How DJT Lost the White House, Introduction: Why I Was Involved Before
: November 3 & What I Learned Because I Was (1.3)
: https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-
: introduction-why-i-was-involved-before-november-3-and-what-i-learned-by-
: doing-so/
|
d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 4 lol, 番薯兄，你们左派这种狗屁不懂自我感觉特良好得基因好强大。这哥们可能的确
是听过一个皮毛。不过你比他懂得更少阿。serial port hacking是penetration
testing 101, 懂一点嵌入式的我10年前就玩过了。更重要的你可能不相信，大部分的
投票机终端最近20年应该没啥革新。
我随便帮你放狗把
http://internetwide.org/blog/2017/12/26/hacker-standard-rs232-plug.html
chord
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】
: 浪费了生命中不可寻回的五分钟读了这篇东西，看到一段话，不禁哑然失笑：
: the existence of R232 ports such that any technician who can plug-in a chord
: will get root-level access to the machine without a password
: 首先，不是 R232，而是 RS-232。其次，插根这种电线就能有 root access，那是天方
: 夜谭。最重要的，第三，这年头想要找个有这种接口的设备，恐怕比在路边找公用电话
: 还难！错非我这种老咳咳，30 岁以下的小朋友大概根本没听过。
: 出了一个特朗普，好端端的人都被弄得神经兮兮，疑神疑鬼，个个成了阴谋论者，连这
: 种东西都可信，还当宝贝走哪叼哪。（而我竟然还会去读它！）
|
e*****e
发帖数: 2791 | 5 你是半懂不懂，大概就是用 hacking + rs232 两个词随便搜来一篇相关文章，就喜滋
滋地拿来献宝。
Penetration testing 大概就是 circuit emulator, ICE 的技术，一点也不稀奇，而
且它是白盒子技术，没有内部规格资料，黑客无法接入（至少我想不出来）。
你那篇文章就更等而下之，只是用 rs232 做 terminal emulation 而已，跟什么 root
access 完全不着边。
再者，root access 这观念根本与 rs232 不是一个世代的东西。如果还有任何机器上
面还有 Rs232，我打赌它的 CPU 与 OS 就没有 root level 的观念。
你用 Hack 这个字去搜，搜来了一篇讲技术上的 hacking 的文章，读也不读就来跟我
杠，
却不知道它根本与 security hack 无关。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: lol, 番薯兄，你们左派这种狗屁不懂自我感觉特良好得基因好强大。这哥们可能的确
: 是听过一个皮毛。不过你比他懂得更少阿。serial port hacking是penetration
: testing 101, 懂一点嵌入式的我10年前就玩过了。更重要的你可能不相信，大部分的
: 投票机终端最近20年应该没啥革新。
: 我随便帮你放狗把
: http://internetwide.org/blog/2017/12/26/hacker-standard-rs232-plug.html
:
: chord
|
d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 6 lol, 读了么？读一读好么？奥，算了，你又要来蹭英语课了
root
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】
: 你是半懂不懂，大概就是用 hacking + rs232 两个词随便搜来一篇相关文章，就喜滋
: 滋地拿来献宝。
: Penetration testing 大概就是 circuit emulator, ICE 的技术，一点也不稀奇，而
: 且它是白盒子技术，没有内部规格资料，黑客无法接入（至少我想不出来）。
: 你那篇文章就更等而下之，只是用 rs232 做 terminal emulation 而已，跟什么 root
: access 完全不着边。
: 再者，root access 这观念根本与 rs232 不是一个世代的东西。如果还有任何机器上
: 面还有 Rs232，我打赌它的 CPU 与 OS 就没有 root level 的观念。
: 你用 Hack 这个字去搜，搜来了一篇讲技术上的 hacking 的文章，读也不读就来跟我
: 杠，
|
d*********8
发帖数: 2192 | 7 两年前配一个思科最新的路由器还用了 这些年的笔记本没串口了 还专门问人借了个
usb转的串口
十年前的工程师笔记本必须得有串口啊，呵呵。
root
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】
: 你是半懂不懂，大概就是用 hacking + rs232 两个词随便搜来一篇相关文章，就喜滋
: 滋地拿来献宝。
: Penetration testing 大概就是 circuit emulator, ICE 的技术，一点也不稀奇，而
: 且它是白盒子技术，没有内部规格资料，黑客无法接入（至少我想不出来）。
: 你那篇文章就更等而下之，只是用 rs232 做 terminal emulation 而已，跟什么 root
: access 完全不着边。
: 再者，root access 这观念根本与 rs232 不是一个世代的东西。如果还有任何机器上
: 面还有 Rs232，我打赌它的 CPU 与 OS 就没有 root level 的观念。
: 你用 Hack 这个字去搜，搜来了一篇讲技术上的 hacking 的文章，读也不读就来跟我
: 杠，
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 8 How DJT Lost the White House, November 3 – December 23: All the President’
s Team(s)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/november-3-december-23-all-the-
presidents-teams/
"I am going to refrain from saying too much about mine and Sidney’s
relationship. For one thing, over time it became something like I was
working for her, helping her get answers to questions, and then, something
like she became my lawyer. Whichever it was, in time the relationship became
something for which privilege surely applies." |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 9 How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 2: Was there Foreign Interference in
this Election? You Make the Call.
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-2-
was-there-foreign-interference-in-this-election-you-make-the-call/ |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 10 "In this chapter I will follow that principle. I shall start with an
analysis of the packet traffic on Election Day 2020. As packets travel
through the Internet they leave a trail, and dolphin-speakers using the
right tools can, in a sense, “shine a light” and reveal those packet
trails in the cyber-fog. Here is a video of only 1 minute which shows
hundreds of foreign entities (many in China) who, on November 3, 2020, were
hitting voting machines across Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona,
Nevada, and Georgia."
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 2: Was there Foreign Interference in
: this Election? You Make the Call.
: https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-2-
: was-there-foreign-interference-in-this-election-you-make-the-call/
|
|
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 11 How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 3: Crashing the White House (December
18-22)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-3-
crashing-the-white-house-december-18/ |
m****o
发帖数: 3762 | 12 哑然失笑？
你男的还是女的？
chord
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】
: 浪费了生命中不可寻回的五分钟读了这篇东西，看到一段话，不禁哑然失笑：
: the existence of R232 ports such that any technician who can plug-in a chord
: will get root-level access to the machine without a password
: 首先，不是 R232，而是 RS-232。其次，插根这种电线就能有 root access，那是天方
: 夜谭。最重要的，第三，这年头想要找个有这种接口的设备，恐怕比在路边找公用电话
: 还难！错非我这种老咳咳，30 岁以下的小朋友大概根本没听过。
: 出了一个特朗普，好端端的人都被弄得神经兮兮，疑神疑鬼，个个成了阴谋论者，连这
: 种东西都可信，还当宝贝走哪叼哪。（而我竟然还会去读它！）
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 13 How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 4: The Christmas Doldrums (December 23
- noon January 6)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-4-
the-christmas-doldrums-december-23-noon-january-6/ |
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 14 我虽然不同意这个patrick的观点，但是还是挺喜欢看他写的东西。这个人挺诚实的，
基本上是写实。 |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 15 Absolutely, Patrick is honest. Glad you find the election was stolen too,
although you probably wouldn't admit it on paper, lol.
My pillow CEO Michael Lindell will release a three hour documentary tomorrow
on the election fraud evidences. Stay tuned!
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 我虽然不同意这个patrick的观点，但是还是挺喜欢看他写的东西。这个人挺诚实的，
: 基本上是写实。
|
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 16 他第二篇文章我看过了，我觉得他提供的那些证据不能证明election被外国操控。但是
看看他描述的一些白宫内幕还是挺好看的。第三篇里他和powell，flynn建议老川派us
marshall去6个州重新数纸票，并且查投票机，这个并没有考虑完全。他不想想，一旦
这么做了，如果发现计票没错，证明没有系统性竞选舞弊，那老川要应对的political
backsplash 会有多大。他以为没发现证据，老川就concede了事，实在是不知道政治的
阴险。现在这样，老川的铁粉还会一直认为竞选有问题，还会继续支持他。可是像
patrick建议的那样做，政治上的风险太大了。我想这也应该是老川最后没有采纳他的
建议的原因。
: Absolutely, Patrick is honest. Glad you find the election was
stolen
too,
: although you probably wouldn't admit it on paper, lol.
: My pillow CEO Michael Lindell will release a three hour
documentary
tomorrow
: on the election fraud evidences. Stay tuned!
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Absolutely, Patrick is honest. Glad you find the election was stolen too,
: although you probably wouldn't admit it on paper, lol.
: My pillow CEO Michael Lindell will release a three hour documentary tomorrow
: on the election fraud evidences. Stay tuned!
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 17 lol, I know you would try. Never mind. The election is absolutely stolen,
time will prove. Stay tuned.
Trump's supporters are largely law and order folks, what they always wanted
were investigations into the alleged frauds, what the three suggested was
just that. Trump supporters would absolutely be ok if the investigations
found no fraud, me included.
us
political
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 他第二篇文章我看过了，我觉得他提供的那些证据不能证明election被外国操控。但是
: 看看他描述的一些白宫内幕还是挺好看的。第三篇里他和powell，flynn建议老川派us
: marshall去6个州重新数纸票，并且查投票机，这个并没有考虑完全。他不想想，一旦
: 这么做了，如果发现计票没错，证明没有系统性竞选舞弊，那老川要应对的political
: backsplash 会有多大。他以为没发现证据，老川就concede了事，实在是不知道政治的
: 阴险。现在这样，老川的铁粉还会一直认为竞选有问题，还会继续支持他。可是像
: patrick建议的那样做，政治上的风险太大了。我想这也应该是老川最后没有采纳他的
: 建议的原因。
:
:
: Absolutely, Patrick is honest. Glad you find the election was
|
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 18 老川的base不是law and order folks。你们这些属于少数。
wanted
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: lol, I know you would try. Never mind. The election is absolutely stolen,
: time will prove. Stay tuned.
: Trump's supporters are largely law and order folks, what they always wanted
: were investigations into the alleged frauds, what the three suggested was
: just that. Trump supporters would absolutely be ok if the investigations
: found no fraud, me included.
:
: us
: political
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 19 Zero violence incited by Trump supporters in the previous DC protests and
other cities following Nov election.
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 老川的base不是law and order folks。你们这些属于少数。
:
: wanted
|
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 20 我的意思是，老川的base只是想让老川赢。真正像patrick这样想彻查选举舞弊的人很
少。所以像他和flynn这样的没法得到老川的重用。
Flynn could barely contain his fury as we shared impressions: this had been
the one last chance to explain the situation to the whole world, and instead
Trump had used it as a pep rally. “He just does not get it,” we repeated
to each other as we stormed through the crowd back towards the hotel. “He
does not get that it is not about him. He put on a fucking pep rally. He
does not understand that it is not about him,” we repeate
: Zero violence incited by Trump supporters in the previous DC protests
and
: other cities following Nov election.
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Zero violence incited by Trump supporters in the previous DC protests and
: other cities following Nov election.
|
|
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 21 That was later in the event. You changed the topic. The three wanted to
investigate the fraud in six counties and sneaked into the white house back
in Dec.
been
instead
repeated
protests
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 我的意思是，老川的base只是想让老川赢。真正像patrick这样想彻查选举舞弊的人很
: 少。所以像他和flynn这样的没法得到老川的重用。
: Flynn could barely contain his fury as we shared impressions: this had been
: the one last chance to explain the situation to the whole world, and instead
: Trump had used it as a pep rally. “He just does not get it,” we repeated
: to each other as we stormed through the crowd back towards the hotel. “He
: does not get that it is not about him. He put on a fucking pep rally. He
: does not understand that it is not about him,” we repeate
:
:
: Zero violence incited by Trump supporters in the previous DC protests
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 22 Back in Dec, they were still trying the court route, and not had that many
rejections in court yet. Later on, the urgency had escalated.
back
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: That was later in the event. You changed the topic. The three wanted to
: investigate the fraud in six counties and sneaked into the white house back
: in Dec.
:
: been
: instead
: repeated
: protests
|
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 23 第三篇里他和powell，flynn建议老川派us marshall去6个州重新数纸票，并且查投票
机，这个并没有考虑完全。他不想想，一旦
这么做了，如果发现计票没错，证明没有系统性竞选舞弊，那老川要应对的political
backsplash 会有多大。他以为没发现证据，老川就concede了事，实在是不知道政治的
阴险。现在这样，老川的铁粉还会一直认为竞选有问题，还会继续支持他。可是像
patrick建议的那样做，政治上的风险太大了。我想这也应该是老川最后没有采纳他的
建议的原因。
: That was later in the event. You changed the topic. The three wanted
to
: investigate the fraud in six counties and sneaked into the white house
back
: in Dec.
: been
: instead
: repeated
: protests
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Back in Dec, they were still trying the court route, and not had that many
: rejections in court yet. Later on, the urgency had escalated.
:
: back
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 24 You are just making up talking points to prove your point of view. It's
really all up to Trump, if he followed through with the three's suggestion,
his base would be ok, if he was ok with the results, even if no wide fraud
found.
It is bad that no investigations were done, no court trials on the alleged
frauds prior to Jan 6th. Decisions like that only fan flames.
political
house
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 第三篇里他和powell，flynn建议老川派us marshall去6个州重新数纸票，并且查投票
: 机，这个并没有考虑完全。他不想想，一旦
: 这么做了，如果发现计票没错，证明没有系统性竞选舞弊，那老川要应对的political
: backsplash 会有多大。他以为没发现证据，老川就concede了事，实在是不知道政治的
: 阴险。现在这样，老川的铁粉还会一直认为竞选有问题，还会继续支持他。可是像
: patrick建议的那样做，政治上的风险太大了。我想这也应该是老川最后没有采纳他的
: 建议的原因。
:
:
: That was later in the event. You changed the topic. The three wanted
: to
|
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 25 那你觉得老川为啥没有采取他们的建议？特别是高院在12/11日dimiss了德州的case之
后？那时候就应该知道走法庭路线没戏了。为啥老川那时候还不采纳他们的行动？
: You are just making up talking points to prove your point of view. It'
s
: really all up to Trump, if he followed through with the three's
suggestion,
: his base would be ok, if he was ok with the results, even if no wide
fraud
: found.
: It is bad that no investigations were done, no court trials on the
alleged
: frauds prior to Jan 6th. Decisions like that only fan flames.
: political
: house
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: You are just making up talking points to prove your point of view. It's
: really all up to Trump, if he followed through with the three's suggestion,
: his base would be ok, if he was ok with the results, even if no wide fraud
: found.
: It is bad that no investigations were done, no court trials on the alleged
: frauds prior to Jan 6th. Decisions like that only fan flames.
:
: political
: house
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 26 I know you are insinuating Trump faked the mass fraud, but the answer is
within the writing. Here is a hint, the mediocre.
It'
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 那你觉得老川为啥没有采取他们的建议？特别是高院在12/11日dimiss了德州的case之
: 后？那时候就应该知道走法庭路线没戏了。为啥老川那时候还不采纳他们的行动？
:
:
: You are just making up talking points to prove your point of view. It'
: s
:
: really all up to Trump, if he followed through with the three's
: suggestion,
:
: his base would be ok, if he was ok with the results, even if no wide
: fraud
:
: found.
|
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 27 这种破釜沉舟的调查，对于真想彻查竞选舞弊的人来说是个好办法，但是对于老川来说
并不是最优解。如果调查下来并没有大规模舞弊呢？老川不光是要立马concede，还会
丧失川粉的捐款，和gop国会的支持。
: I know you are insinuating Trump faked the mass fraud, but the answer
is
: within the writing. Here is a hint, the mediocre.
: It'
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: I know you are insinuating Trump faked the mass fraud, but the answer is
: within the writing. Here is a hint, the mediocre.
:
: It'
|
X*******8
发帖数: 3895 | 28 其实你们争来争去的那是建立在Trump能够真正调动军队，调动DOJ，调动FBI的基础上
的。你们难道还不明白，Trump是啥也调不动的事实吗？他也只能调动民意了。这就是
他唯一能做的。这就不难解释到了一月六号还号召大家去DC的原因。这也是他早知道作弊
，只有大面积赢才能赢的原因。但他还是料不到建制派要除掉他的决心之坚决，以为有
强大的名义建制派也会让步。他四年的总统就死这样的：他什么也调不动！！他要是真
能调动军队，早做了！
It'
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 那你觉得老川为啥没有采取他们的建议？特别是高院在12/11日dimiss了德州的case之
: 后？那时候就应该知道走法庭路线没戏了。为啥老川那时候还不采纳他们的行动？
:
:
: You are just making up talking points to prove your point of view. It'
: s
:
: really all up to Trump, if he followed through with the three's
: suggestion,
:
: his base would be ok, if he was ok with the results, even if no wide
: fraud
:
: found.
|
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 29 你读了patrick第三篇文章了吗？他们几个提的建议里，只需要派us marshall或者dc的
national guard就行，不需要调集军队。
Sidney and Mike began walking the President through things from our
perspective. In brief: there was a quick way to resolve this national crisis
because he had power to act in ways he was not understanding. Under an
Executive Order that he had signed in 2018, and another Executive Order that
President Obama had signed in 2015, he could “find” that there was
adequate evidence of foreign interference with the election, and while doing
so would give him authority to do a number of big things, all he had to do
was one small thing: direct a federal force (we suggested US Marshall
Service National Guard) to go to the six counties in question (the
Problematic 6), and re-count (on livestream TV) the paper ballots that were
held as fail-safe back-up.
: 其实你们争来争去的那是建立在Trump能够真正调动军队，调动DOJ，调动FBI的
基础上
: 的。你们难道还不明白，Trump是啥也调不动的事实吗？他也只能调动民意了。
这就是
: 他唯一能做的。这就不难解释到了一月六号还号召大家去DC的原因。这也是他早
知道作弊
: ，只有大面积赢才能赢的原因。但他还是料不到建制派要除掉他的决心之坚决，
以为有
: 强大的名义建制派也会让步。他四年的总统就死这样的：他什么也调不动！！他
要是真
: 能调动军队，早做了！
: It'
【在 X*******8 的大作中提到】
: 其实你们争来争去的那是建立在Trump能够真正调动军队，调动DOJ，调动FBI的基础上
: 的。你们难道还不明白，Trump是啥也调不动的事实吗？他也只能调动民意了。这就是
: 他唯一能做的。这就不难解释到了一月六号还号召大家去DC的原因。这也是他早知道作弊
: ，只有大面积赢才能赢的原因。但他还是料不到建制派要除掉他的决心之坚决，以为有
: 强大的名义建制派也会让步。他四年的总统就死这样的：他什么也调不动！！他要是真
: 能调动军队，早做了！
:
: It'
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 30 I see. Now you are accusing Trump fake the fraud to gather donations.
He did point Powell as the special counsel at the white house.
Not sure the intricate details on why Trump didn't go along with the trio's
ideas, although it seemed good to him at the time, he was likely persuaded
to
change his mind by his lawyers at later point.
The important thing is the fraud did happen, likely massive fraud, there are
patriots still working on get to the bottom to this, and have justice
served.
answer
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 这种破釜沉舟的调查，对于真想彻查竞选舞弊的人来说是个好办法，但是对于老川来说
: 并不是最优解。如果调查下来并没有大规模舞弊呢？老川不光是要立马concede，还会
: 丧失川粉的捐款，和gop国会的支持。
:
:
: I know you are insinuating Trump faked the mass fraud, but the answer
: is
:
: within the writing. Here is a hint, the mediocre.
:
: It'
:
|
|
|
s****e
发帖数: 720 | 31 这也是我的问题， 关键是要有人调查，doj和fbi不动，就得trump自己调查否则在
supreme court都畏缩不敢动的情况下，怎么可能翻盘啊？
觉得还是rudy认准了当时的那条路，不同意Flynn和Sidney的建议，而Trump最终听了
rudy的。加上Mark Meadow和那几个律师其实已经是叛徒了，只想劝降trump。
crisis
that
doing
do
were
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 你读了patrick第三篇文章了吗？他们几个提的建议里，只需要派us marshall或者dc的
: national guard就行，不需要调集军队。
: Sidney and Mike began walking the President through things from our
: perspective. In brief: there was a quick way to resolve this national crisis
: because he had power to act in ways he was not understanding. Under an
: Executive Order that he had signed in 2018, and another Executive Order that
: President Obama had signed in 2015, he could “find” that there was
: adequate evidence of foreign interference with the election, and while doing
: so would give him authority to do a number of big things, all he had to do
: was one small thing: direct a federal force (we suggested US Marshall
|
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 32 你的说法在12/11之前说的通。但是12/11高院dimiss了德州的case之后，态度很明显不
愿意介入大选相关事物。这时老川团队想改变大选结果的legal path已经没了。剩下的
有两条路，一条是像flynn和pat
建议的那个方法，另一条是逼着pence去做不认可那几个州的elector这种违法的事。最
后老川选择了第二条路，因为第二条路对他来说风险最小，收获最大。第一条路一旦没
发现证据，他就再也没有任何借口说竞选舞弊了。而第二条路即使pence不干，他也可
以继续他的竞选舞弊说法，继续欺骗粉丝。
他的选择让我做出合理的判断：老川只想赢，其实并不真正care竞选舞弊。他之所以嘴
上一直坚持竞选舞弊，却不敢破釜沉舟的去调查，是为了继续绑架川粉，以图东山再起。
: 这也是我的问题， 关键是要有人调查，doj和fbi不动，就得trump自己调
查否则在
: supreme court都畏缩不敢动的情况下，怎么可能翻盘啊？
: 觉得还是rudy认准了当时的那条路，不同意Flynn和Sidney的建议，而
Trump最终
听了
: rudy的。加上Mark Meadow和那几个律师其实已经是叛徒了，只想劝降
trump。
: crisis
: that
: doing
: do
: were
【在 s****e 的大作中提到】
: 这也是我的问题， 关键是要有人调查，doj和fbi不动，就得trump自己调查否则在
: supreme court都畏缩不敢动的情况下，怎么可能翻盘啊？
: 觉得还是rudy认准了当时的那条路，不同意Flynn和Sidney的建议，而Trump最终听了
: rudy的。加上Mark Meadow和那几个律师其实已经是叛徒了，只想劝降trump。
:
: crisis
: that
: doing
: do
: were
|
e*****e
发帖数: 2791 | 33 Count, count, count，有啥好 count？Count 幾遍了？你派軍隊也好，派無敵鐵金剛
也好，能 count 出不一樣的結果？ |
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 34 还要复印投票机的硬盘。
: Count, count, count，有啥好 count？Count 幾遍了？你派軍隊也好，派無敵
鐵金剛
: 也好，能 count 出不一樣的結果？
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】
: Count, count, count，有啥好 count？Count 幾遍了？你派軍隊也好，派無敵鐵金剛
: 也好，能 count 出不一樣的結果？
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 35 Trump has been working with his lawyers for 4+ years, and Sidney trio just
came along, it's reasonable to have some doubt about them, especially when
Giuliani and his bunch might have rejected the idea with fury. People don't
usually abandon their close friends at times of distress, they rely on them.
All your reasoning is based on your conclusion that Trump faked the mass
election fraud, so no amount of evidence will convince you. You made a
conclusion already. It's called reasoning for your own agenda.
则在
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 你的说法在12/11之前说的通。但是12/11高院dimiss了德州的case之后，态度很明显不
: 愿意介入大选相关事物。这时老川团队想改变大选结果的legal path已经没了。剩下的
: 有两条路，一条是像flynn和pat
: 建议的那个方法，另一条是逼着pence去做不认可那几个州的elector这种违法的事。最
: 后老川选择了第二条路，因为第二条路对他来说风险最小，收获最大。第一条路一旦没
: 发现证据，他就再也没有任何借口说竞选舞弊了。而第二条路即使pence不干，他也可
: 以继续他的竞选舞弊说法，继续欺骗粉丝。
: 他的选择让我做出合理的判断：老川只想赢，其实并不真正care竞选舞弊。他之所以嘴
: 上一直坚持竞选舞弊，却不敢破釜沉舟的去调查，是为了继续绑架川粉，以图东山再起。
:
|
e*****e
发帖数: 2791 | 36 蹭英語課？就你？從來不敢用英文寫帖子的貨，也只能靠乾嚎顯示你的強大英文。沒用
的癟三，除了一張嘴沒半點真才實學。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: lol, 读了么？读一读好么？奥，算了，你又要来蹭英语课了
:
: root
|
s****e
发帖数: 720 | 37 Rudy和那个女律师在12月11日后坚定的走各州议会把选择elector的权力收回去的路线，
他们认为是可行的，彭斯知道1月6日才翻脸说自己不干，在那之前还装模作样的要维护
election integrity。
你已经先入为主的认为trump不过是把fraud作为借口，屁股已经歪了。election
fraud
只要认真查，肯定能查出来，那么多人证，而且下面的人都很积极。可惜所有这些人的
声音
根本到不了trump那里。Trump当然还是受了rudy的影响，觉得那条路可以走通。
起。
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 你的说法在12/11之前说的通。但是12/11高院dimiss了德州的case之后，态度很明显不
: 愿意介入大选相关事物。这时老川团队想改变大选结果的legal path已经没了。剩下的
: 有两条路，一条是像flynn和pat
: 建议的那个方法，另一条是逼着pence去做不认可那几个州的elector这种违法的事。最
: 后老川选择了第二条路，因为第二条路对他来说风险最小，收获最大。第一条路一旦没
: 发现证据，他就再也没有任何借口说竞选舞弊了。而第二条路即使pence不干，他也可
: 以继续他的竞选舞弊说法，继续欺骗粉丝。
: 他的选择让我做出合理的判断：老川只想赢，其实并不真正care竞选舞弊。他之所以嘴
: 上一直坚持竞选舞弊，却不敢破釜沉舟的去调查，是为了继续绑架川粉，以图东山再起。
:
|
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 38 如果老川真想调查竞选舞弊，就应该选择flynn和pat这个方法。他没有选择这个方法，
而是寄希望于州议会，和vp来掀翻竞选结果。这个很明显的说明他在乎的是他自己的输
赢，而不是抓竞选舞弊。
Pat和flynn显然也赞同我这个观点：
Flynn could barely contain his fury as we shared impressions: this had been
the one last chance to explain the situation to the whole world, and instead
Trump had used it as a pep rally. “He just does not get it,” we repeated
to each other as we stormed through the crowd back towards the hotel. “He
does not get that it is not about him. He put on a fucking pep rally. He
does not understand that this is not about him,” we repeated over and over
in anger and despair
: Rudy和那个女律师在12月11日后坚定的走各州议会把选择elector的权力收回去
的路线，
: 他们认为是可行的，彭斯知道1月6日才翻脸说自己不干，在那之前还装模作样的
要维护
: election integrity。
: 你已经先入为主的认为trump不过是把fraud作为借口，屁股已经歪了。
election
: fraud
: 只要认真查，肯定能查出来，那么多人证，而且下面的人都很积极。可惜所有这
些人的
: 声音
: 根本到不了trump那里。Trump当然还是受了rudy的影响，觉得那条路可以走通。
: 起。
【在 s****e 的大作中提到】
: Rudy和那个女律师在12月11日后坚定的走各州议会把选择elector的权力收回去的路线，
: 他们认为是可行的，彭斯知道1月6日才翻脸说自己不干，在那之前还装模作样的要维护
: election integrity。
: 你已经先入为主的认为trump不过是把fraud作为借口，屁股已经歪了。election
: fraud
: 只要认真查，肯定能查出来，那么多人证，而且下面的人都很积极。可惜所有这些人的
: 声音
: 根本到不了trump那里。Trump当然还是受了rudy的影响，觉得那条路可以走通。
:
: 起。
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 39 No, it's not obvious at all; Trump's lawyers wanted to adhere to what they
were familiar, Trump was being loyal to his friends.
Again, you are just imagining things to fit your own agenda. LOL
been
instead
repeated
over
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 如果老川真想调查竞选舞弊，就应该选择flynn和pat这个方法。他没有选择这个方法，
: 而是寄希望于州议会，和vp来掀翻竞选结果。这个很明显的说明他在乎的是他自己的输
: 赢，而不是抓竞选舞弊。
: Pat和flynn显然也赞同我这个观点：
: Flynn could barely contain his fury as we shared impressions: this had been
: the one last chance to explain the situation to the whole world, and instead
: Trump had used it as a pep rally. “He just does not get it,” we repeated
: to each other as we stormed through the crowd back towards the hotel. “He
: does not get that it is not about him. He put on a fucking pep rally. He
: does not understand that this is not about him,” we repeated over and over
|
b*********5
发帖数: 1 | 40
steal/
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: How Donald J. Trump Lost the White House by Patrick Byrne
: https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/draft-1-0-the-inside-story-of-the-steal/
: ----------
: How DJT Lost the White House, Introduction: Why I Was Involved Before
: November 3 & What I Learned Because I Was (1.3)
: https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/01/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-
: introduction-why-i-was-involved-before-november-3-and-what-i-learned-by-
: doing-so/
: ----------
: How DJT Lost the White House, November 3 – December 23: All the President’
|
|
|
X*******8
发帖数: 3895 | 41 其实 就这些他都调不动。DC那些兵都是Pence调的，这也应证了代理防长说的和Pence
一起执行了一次非常特别的军事行动的讲话，不过那会大家还以为是军管呢。现在看来
Trump是早被架空了。如果Trump如你所说能调得动军队的话，那就滑稽了，口口声声说
要捍卫宪法，却什么都不做，反而调军队去保护一个靠作弊上位的伪总统的就职典礼！
怎么也不像Trump的为人。
crisis
that
doing
do
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 你读了patrick第三篇文章了吗？他们几个提的建议里，只需要派us marshall或者dc的
: national guard就行，不需要调集军队。
: Sidney and Mike began walking the President through things from our
: perspective. In brief: there was a quick way to resolve this national crisis
: because he had power to act in ways he was not understanding. Under an
: Executive Order that he had signed in 2018, and another Executive Order that
: President Obama had signed in 2015, he could “find” that there was
: adequate evidence of foreign interference with the election, and while doing
: so would give him authority to do a number of big things, all he had to do
: was one small thing: direct a federal force (we suggested US Marshall
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 42 Forgot to say, Byrne and Flynn did NOT agree with your opinion at all,
they believe in massive fraud occurred in 2020 presidential elections and
they have massive evidences to prove it.
been
instead
repeated
over
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 如果老川真想调查竞选舞弊，就应该选择flynn和pat这个方法。他没有选择这个方法，
: 而是寄希望于州议会，和vp来掀翻竞选结果。这个很明显的说明他在乎的是他自己的输
: 赢，而不是抓竞选舞弊。
: Pat和flynn显然也赞同我这个观点：
: Flynn could barely contain his fury as we shared impressions: this had been
: the one last chance to explain the situation to the whole world, and instead
: Trump had used it as a pep rally. “He just does not get it,” we repeated
: to each other as we stormed through the crowd back towards the hotel. “He
: does not get that it is not about him. He put on a fucking pep rally. He
: does not understand that this is not about him,” we repeated over and over
|
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 43 How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 5: Agitation & Chaos (January 6 – 20)
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-5-
the-chaos-january-6-20/ |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 44 "What happened on the afternoon of January 6 is the worst thing that could
have happened for the Freedom Movement. Millions of people had descended on
DC to protest the theft of a national election and to support people who
were standing up for the truth. However, in the course of their protest,
Goons stormed the Capitol. Five people died as a result. One woman was shot
unnecessarily by police, two others died from heart attack and getting
crushed in a mob, and one police officer was killed in a way that remains
unclear: “Media reports have been conflicting — unnamed law enforcement
sources initially told outlets Sicknick was bludgeoned in the head by a fire
extinguisher, while others speaking on condition of anonymity countered
those claims, arguing there was no immediate evidence showing that Sicknick
suffered any blunt force trauma” (“A month after Capitol riot, autopsy
results pending in Officer Brian Sicknick death investigation“, Fox,
February 8 2021). " |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 45 "The same Mainstream Media that (over the course of 2020) described as “
mostly peaceful protests” the actions of Antifa and Black Lives Matter
killing 33 police, injuring another 700 police, and burning thousands of
businesses, has portrayed these events at the Capitol as the greatest
tragedy to hit America since Pearl Harbor. It is nice to know there is some
form of Goonism in politics still objectionable to the Mainstream Media.
Myself, I eschew all political violence, not just ones convenient for me to
denounce." |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 46 "The Washington Post reported late Sunday night that the outgoing Capitol
Police Chief, Steve Sund, believes his efforts to secure the premises were
undermined by a lack of concern from House and Senate security officials who
answer directly to Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate leader Mitch McConnell." |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 47 "
Two days before Congress was set to formalize President-elect Joe Biden’s
victory, Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund was growing increasingly worried
about the size of the pro-Trump crowds expected to stream into Washington in
protest.
To be on the safe side, Sund asked House and Senate security officials for
permission to request that the D.C. National Guard be placed on standby in
case he needed quick backup.
But, Sund said Sunday, they turned him down…
It was the first of six times Sund’s request for help was rejected or
delayed, he said. Two days later on Wednesday afternoon, his forces already
in the midst of crisis, Sund said he pleaded for help five more times as a
scene far more dire than he had ever imagined unfolded on the historic
Capitol grounds.
" |
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 48 明显屁股决定脑袋。光看对自己结论有利的证据。
1. 怎么解释暴乱开始后national guard拖了两个小时才拿到批准进京平叛？还得是
pence打电话给miller才批准的。老川为啥一直拖着不批准？
2. 那些capital警察，也很有可能是老川的支持者，所以把暴乱分子放进去。 |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 49 FAKE NEWS
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 明显屁股决定脑袋。光看对自己结论有利的证据。
: 1. 怎么解释暴乱开始后national guard拖了两个小时才拿到批准进京平叛？还得是
: pence打电话给miller才批准的。老川为啥一直拖着不批准？
: 2. 那些capital警察，也很有可能是老川的支持者，所以把暴乱分子放进去。
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 50 谢谢立马演示屁股决定脑袋。对你不利的事，就都是fake news。
: FAKE NEWS
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: FAKE NEWS
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h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 51 DC mayor was responsible for sending national guards; she delayed the
process, on purpose.
Pelosi was responsible for the security guards in the capitol, she delayed
the request for more guards.
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢立马演示屁股决定脑袋。对你不利的事，就都是fake news。
:
:
: FAKE NEWS
:
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 52 “DC mayor was responsible for sending national guard; she delayed the
process, on purpose.”
This is wrong. You better get your facts straight before mouthing off.
Mayor Muriel Bowser does not have the same authority over the D.C. National
Guard that governors have over their states. She can only request guard
troops from the Secretary of the Army. That request then gets sent up the
chain of command to the Secretary of Defense for approval.
Even then, Bowser’s jurisdiction is limited. Because of the District’s
finicky federal status of not being a state, she can only request guard
troops to land that belongs to the city. That excludes federal territory,
like the Capitol and its environs. The Secretary of Defense needs to approve
the deployment of National Guard troops from any jurisdiction at federal
land like the Capitol complex.
A full timeline released by the Department of Defense shows series of phone
calls between the Defense and Army Secretaries, Bowser, then-Capitol Police
Chief Steven Sund, and Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard William
Walker.
The first call was at 1:34 p.m., in which Bowser requested additional forces
from Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy. Then at 1:49 p.m., Sund called Walker
asking for immediate assistance.
: DC mayor was responsible for sending national guard; she delayed the
process
: , on purpose.
: Pelosi was responsible for the security guard in the capitol, she
delayed
: the request for more guards.
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: DC mayor was responsible for sending national guards; she delayed the
: process, on purpose.
: Pelosi was responsible for the security guards in the capitol, she delayed
: the request for more guards.
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h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 53 Source?!
National
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: “DC mayor was responsible for sending national guard; she delayed the
: process, on purpose.”
: This is wrong. You better get your facts straight before mouthing off.
: Mayor Muriel Bowser does not have the same authority over the D.C. National
: Guard that governors have over their states. She can only request guard
: troops from the Secretary of the Army. That request then gets sent up the
: chain of command to the Secretary of Defense for approval.
: Even then, Bowser’s jurisdiction is limited. Because of the District’s
: finicky federal status of not being a state, she can only request guard
: troops to land that belongs to the city. That excludes federal territory,
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 54 “ Pelosi was responsible for the security guards in the capitol, she
delayed the request for more guards.”
This is also fucking wrong.
Two days before Congress was set to formalize President-elect Joe Biden’s
victory, Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund was growing increasingly worried
about the size of the pro-Trump crowds expected to stream into Washington in
protest. To be on the safe side, Sund asked House and Senate security
officials for permission to request that the D.C. National Guard be placed
on standby in case he needed quick backup. But, Sund said Sunday, they
turned him down.
House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving said he wasn’t comfortable with the “
optics” of formally declaring an emergency ahead of the demonstration, Sund
said. Meanwhile, Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger suggested that
Sund should informally seek out his Guard contacts, asking them to “lean
forward” and be on alert in case Capitol Police needed their help.
Paul Irving和Michael Stenger都是gop国会派任的。
: DC mayor was responsible for sending national guards; she delayed the
: process, on purpose.
: Pelosi was responsible for the security guards in the capitol, she
delayed
: the request for more guards.
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Source?!
:
: National
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 55 A full timeline released by the Department of Defense.
Where is your source? You didn’t even get the fact straight.
: Source?!
: National
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Source?!
:
: National
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h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 56 Pelosi-McConnell refused to increase security! Capitol emergency began
before Trump finished speaking
https://www.independentsentinel.com/pelosi-mcconnell-refused-to-increase-
security-capitol-emergency-began-before-trump-finished-speaking/ |
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 57 Nothing in your source, indicated that 老佩和老康下的决定。说的都是Paul
Irving 和Michael Stenger给的决定。这俩是老佩和老康手下。但是是2012，2018年
gop控制的国会选出来的。你怎么知道是老佩和老康指使的？这算个狗屁证据？
还有你说女市长负责派兵，也是她延误的派兵，证据在哪里？
: Pelosi-McConnell refused to increase security! Capitol emergency began
: before Trump finished speaking
: https://www.independentsentinel.com/pelosi-mcconnell-refused-to-
increase-
: security-capitol-emergency-began-before-trump-finished-speaking/
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Pelosi-McConnell refused to increase security! Capitol emergency began
: before Trump finished speaking
: https://www.independentsentinel.com/pelosi-mcconnell-refused-to-increase-
: security-capitol-emergency-began-before-trump-finished-speaking/
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m******O
发帖数: 596 | 58 明显屁股决定脑袋: 你提的这个连对自己有利的证据都算不上 - 是赤裸裸的谎言。
National Guard的动向，最权威的信息来自于国防部公开的备忘录。几个星期前就有人
贴过。要点：
1. 事发前三天，国防部就获得总统的授权，一旦有紧急情况，可以根据预案便宜行事
。总统此后没有再直接过问。
2. 整个备忘录，有多起国防部和各方的通讯记录。但是对Pence只字未提。可以断定
Pence打电话给Miller是绝对的谣言。
3. 国会向国防部求援后，一个小时左右防长就批准了部署NG。
4. 陆军部长在3:30PM给国会民主党领袖们打电话，告诉他们部署NG的请求“没有被拒
绝”，ASOD已经批准。 - 这是最重要的细节：为什么不给共和党领袖们打电话？因为
民主党开始造谣说国防部见死不救，国防部当然要给谣言的源头打电话，把这个锅甩回
去。
5. NG在4PM从兵营开拔，5PM部署完毕。部分原因是一部兵力事发时在外面执行交通管
制的任务，需要撤回兵营换上镇暴装备再出发。
这个谣言，从国会山的DEM炮制出来，主流媒体接力宣传，然后是你这样的online
troll再炒一遍。
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 明显屁股决定脑袋。光看对自己结论有利的证据。
: 1. 怎么解释暴乱开始后national guard拖了两个小时才拿到批准进京平叛？还得是
: pence打电话给miller才批准的。老川为啥一直拖着不批准？
: 2. 那些capital警察，也很有可能是老川的支持者，所以把暴乱分子放进去。
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 59 Dod 官网：
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2464427/statement-
by-acting-secretary-miller-on-full-activation-of-dc-national-guard/
Chairman Milley and I just spoke separately with the Vice President and with
Speaker Pelosi, Leader McConnell, Senator Schumer and Representative Hoyer
about the situation at the U.S. Capitol. We have fully activated the D.C.
National Guard to assist federal and local law enforcement as they work to
peacefully address the situation. We are prepared to provide additional
support as necessary and appropriate as requested by local authorities. Our
people are sworn to defend the constitution and our democratic form of
government and they will act accordingly."
: 明显屁股决定脑袋: 你提的这个连对自己有利的证据都算不上 - 是赤裸裸的谎
言。
: National Guard的动向，最权威的信息来自于国防部公开的备忘录。几个星期前
就有人
: 贴过。要点：
: 1. 事发前三天，国防部就获得总统的授权，一旦有紧急情况，可以根据预案便
宜行事
: 。总统此后没有再直接过问。
: 2. 整个备忘录，有多起国防部和各方的通讯记录。但是对Pence只字未提。可以
断定
: Pence打电话给Miller是绝对的谣言。
: 3. 国会向国防部求援后，一个小时左右防长就批准了部署NG。
: 4. 陆军部长在3:30PM给国会民主党领袖们打电话，告诉他们部署NG的请求“没
有被拒
: 绝”，ASOD已经批准。 - 这是最重要的细节：为什么不给共和党领袖们打电话
？因为
【在 m******O 的大作中提到】
: 明显屁股决定脑袋: 你提的这个连对自己有利的证据都算不上 - 是赤裸裸的谎言。
: National Guard的动向，最权威的信息来自于国防部公开的备忘录。几个星期前就有人
: 贴过。要点：
: 1. 事发前三天，国防部就获得总统的授权，一旦有紧急情况，可以根据预案便宜行事
: 。总统此后没有再直接过问。
: 2. 整个备忘录，有多起国防部和各方的通讯记录。但是对Pence只字未提。可以断定
: Pence打电话给Miller是绝对的谣言。
: 3. 国会向国防部求援后，一个小时左右防长就批准了部署NG。
: 4. 陆军部长在3:30PM给国会民主党领袖们打电话，告诉他们部署NG的请求“没有被拒
: 绝”，ASOD已经批准。 - 这是最重要的细节：为什么不给共和党领袖们打电话？因为
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m******O
发帖数: 596 | 60 DOD 官网:
https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/11/2002563151/-1/-1/0/PLANNING-AND-
EXECUTION-TIMELINE-FOR-THE-NATIONAL-GUARDS-INVOLVEMENT-IN-THE-JANUARY-6-2021
-VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF
关于民主党造谣的部分：
1519: SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about the
nature of
Mayor Bowser’s request. SECARMY explains A/SD already approved full DCNG
mobilization.
1526: SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser and MPD police chief relays there
was no
denial of their request, and conveys A/SD approval of the activation of full
DCNG
“VP指示DOD派兵” - 这么惊爆的消息，怎么如此详细的备忘录里只字未提？
statement-
with
Hoyer
Our
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: Dod 官网：
: https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2464427/statement-
: by-acting-secretary-miller-on-full-activation-of-dc-national-guard/
: Chairman Milley and I just spoke separately with the Vice President and with
: Speaker Pelosi, Leader McConnell, Senator Schumer and Representative Hoyer
: about the situation at the U.S. Capitol. We have fully activated the D.C.
: National Guard to assist federal and local law enforcement as they work to
: peacefully address the situation. We are prepared to provide additional
: support as necessary and appropriate as requested by local authorities. Our
: people are sworn to defend the constitution and our democratic form of
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 61 “1. 事发前三天，国防部就获得总统的授权，一旦有紧急情况，可以根据预案便宜行
事. 总统此后没有再直接过问。”
批准的是让natioanl guard帮助管理交通。如果要去国会山平叛，需要再申请。
: 明显屁股决定脑袋: 你提的这个连对自己有利的证据都算不上 - 是赤裸裸的谎
言。
: National Guard的动向，最权威的信息来自于国防部公开的备忘录。几个星期前
就有人
: 贴过。要点：
: 1. 事发前三天，国防部就获得总统的授权，一旦有紧急情况，可以根据预案便
宜行事
: 。总统此后没有再直接过问。
: 2. 整个备忘录，有多起国防部和各方的通讯记录。但是对Pence只字未提。可以
断定
: Pence打电话给Miller是绝对的谣言。
: 3. 国会向国防部求援后，一个小时左右防长就批准了部署NG。
: 4. 陆军部长在3:30PM给国会民主党领袖们打电话，告诉他们部署NG的请求“没
有被拒
: 绝”，ASOD已经批准。 - 这是最重要的细节：为什么不给共和党领袖们打电话
？因为
【在 m******O 的大作中提到】
: DOD 官网:
: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/11/2002563151/-1/-1/0/PLANNING-AND-
: EXECUTION-TIMELINE-FOR-THE-NATIONAL-GUARDS-INVOLVEMENT-IN-THE-JANUARY-6-2021
: -VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF
: 关于民主党造谣的部分：
: 1519: SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about the
: nature of
: Mayor Bowser’s request. SECARMY explains A/SD already approved full DCNG
: mobilization.
: 1526: SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser and MPD police chief relays there
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 62 你的意思是miller在撒谎吗？我给的也是dod官网发的statement。这么大的事，当事人
这么多，miller敢是啊这么大的谎？
: DOD 官网:
: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/11/2002563151/-1/-1/0/PLANNING-AND-
: EXECUTION-TIMELINE-FOR-THE-NATIONAL-GUARDS-INVOLVEMENT-IN-THE-JANUARY-
6-2021
: -VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF
: 关于民主党造谣的部分：
: 1519: SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about
the
: nature of
: Mayor Bowser’s request. SECARMY explains A/SD already approved full
DCNG
: mobilization.
: 1526: SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser and MPD police chief relays
there
【在 m******O 的大作中提到】
: DOD 官网:
: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/11/2002563151/-1/-1/0/PLANNING-AND-
: EXECUTION-TIMELINE-FOR-THE-NATIONAL-GUARDS-INVOLVEMENT-IN-THE-JANUARY-6-2021
: -VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF
: 关于民主党造谣的部分：
: 1519: SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about the
: nature of
: Mayor Bowser’s request. SECARMY explains A/SD already approved full DCNG
: mobilization.
: 1526: SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser and MPD police chief relays there
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 63 你也不用再说啥了，你给的前两条理由都是fake news。你自己以fake news当证据，我
也服了。
: DOD 官网:
: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/11/2002563151/-1/-1/0/PLANNING-AND-
: EXECUTION-TIMELINE-FOR-THE-NATIONAL-GUARDS-INVOLVEMENT-IN-THE-JANUARY-
6-2021
: -VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF
: 关于民主党造谣的部分：
: 1519: SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about
the
: nature of
: Mayor Bowser’s request. SECARMY explains A/SD already approved full
DCNG
: mobilization.
: 1526: SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser and MPD police chief relays
there
【在 m******O 的大作中提到】
: DOD 官网:
: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/11/2002563151/-1/-1/0/PLANNING-AND-
: EXECUTION-TIMELINE-FOR-THE-NATIONAL-GUARDS-INVOLVEMENT-IN-THE-JANUARY-6-2021
: -VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF
: 关于民主党造谣的部分：
: 1519: SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about the
: nature of
: Mayor Bowser’s request. SECARMY explains A/SD already approved full DCNG
: mobilization.
: 1526: SECARMY phone call with Mayor Bowser and MPD police chief relays there
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m******O
发帖数: 596 | 64 Sunday, January 3, 2021
A/SD and CJCS meet with the President. President concurs in activation of
the DCNG to support law enforcement.
"to support law enforcement" - 怎么样就摇身一变，成了仅仅“帮助管理交通”？
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 你也不用再说啥了，你给的前两条理由都是fake news。你自己以fake news当证据，我
: 也服了。
:
:
: DOD 官网:
:
: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/11/2002563151/-1/-1/0/PLANNING-AND-
:
: EXECUTION-TIMELINE-FOR-THE-NATIONAL-GUARDS-INVOLVEMENT-IN-THE-JANUARY-
: 6-2021
:
: -VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF
:
: 关于民主党造谣的部分：
:
: 1519: SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about
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m******O
发帖数: 596 | 65 Miller当然不会在这种公文上撒谎，国防部的公开备忘录也不会公然撒谎。
撒谎的是民主党、媒体和他们的下家 - 你等：不涉及到chain of command的通话，国
防部的备忘录当然可以不予记录。
Miller的电话可以是慰问、可以是通报情况，但绝对和你等声情并茂地讲“Pence调兵
”的故事，没有半毛关系。
旁证：比你自己贴的那个声明更早，国防部还有一个声明-调动DCNG。按发布声明的顺
序看，ASOC批准调兵是在和国会领袖通话之前。
AND-
JANUARY-
about
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 你的意思是miller在撒谎吗？我给的也是dod官网发的statement。这么大的事，当事人
: 这么多，miller敢是啊这么大的谎？
:
:
: DOD 官网:
:
: https://media.defense.gov/2021/Jan/11/2002563151/-1/-1/0/PLANNING-AND-
:
: EXECUTION-TIMELINE-FOR-THE-NATIONAL-GUARDS-INVOLVEMENT-IN-THE-JANUARY-
: 6-2021
:
: -VIOLENT-ATTACK-AT-THE-US-CAPITOL.PDF
:
: 关于民主党造谣的部分：
:
: 1519: SECARMY phone call with Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi about
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 66 这些ng都是anarmed，帮着管理交通的，你自己脑补的太厉害了。后来游行演变成暴动
，这时需要ng带武器来平叛，这是需要再申请的。
The Pentagon has approved a request by the mayor of Washington D.C. to
activate 340 members of the D.C. National Guard to assist law enforcement
ahead of Wednesday's planned demonstrations scheduled for when Congress is
expected to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election.
The unarmed guardsmen will work in shifts to help man traffic control
checkpoints in the city's downtown area to free up D.C. police officers who
could be needed to respond should the protests turn violent.
: Sunday, January 3, 2021
: A/SD and CJCS meet with the President. President concurs in
activation of
: the DCNG to support law enforcement.
: "to support law enforcement" - 怎么样就摇身一变，成了仅仅“帮助管理交
通”？
【在 m******O 的大作中提到】
: Miller当然不会在这种公文上撒谎，国防部的公开备忘录也不会公然撒谎。
: 撒谎的是民主党、媒体和他们的下家 - 你等：不涉及到chain of command的通话，国
: 防部的备忘录当然可以不予记录。
: Miller的电话可以是慰问、可以是通报情况，但绝对和你等声情并茂地讲“Pence调兵
: ”的故事，没有半毛关系。
: 旁证：比你自己贴的那个声明更早，国防部还有一个声明-调动DCNG。按发布声明的顺
: 序看，ASOC批准调兵是在和国会领袖通话之前。
:
: AND-
: JANUARY-
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 67 越描越黑。之前调ng是帮助管理交通，而且是unarmed。
: Miller当然不会在这种公文上撒谎，国防部的公开备忘录也不会公然撒谎。
: 撒谎的是民主党、媒体和他们的下家 - 你等：不涉及到chain of command的通
话，国
: 防部的备忘录当然可以不予记录。
: Miller的电话可以是慰问、可以是通报情况，但绝对和你等声情并茂地讲“
Pence调兵
: ”的故事，没有半毛关系。
: 旁证：比你自己贴的那个声明更早，国防部还有一个声明-调动DCNG。按发布声
明的顺
: 序看，ASOC批准调兵是在和国会领袖通话之前。
: AND-
: JANUARY-
: about
【在 m******O 的大作中提到】
: Miller当然不会在这种公文上撒谎，国防部的公开备忘录也不会公然撒谎。
: 撒谎的是民主党、媒体和他们的下家 - 你等：不涉及到chain of command的通话，国
: 防部的备忘录当然可以不予记录。
: Miller的电话可以是慰问、可以是通报情况，但绝对和你等声情并茂地讲“Pence调兵
: ”的故事，没有半毛关系。
: 旁证：比你自己贴的那个声明更早，国防部还有一个声明-调动DCNG。按发布声明的顺
: 序看，ASOC批准调兵是在和国会领袖通话之前。
:
: AND-
: JANUARY-
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m******O
发帖数: 596 | 68 “还得是pence打电话给miller才批准的。老川为啥一直拖着不批准？”
不要着急转进，我连续贴了四个帖子，专门打脸。你先把自己上面的谎言编圆了，我有
兴趣，再和你玩别的:
1. 备忘录里有记载Pence调兵吗？
2. 如果需要老川再次批准，DOD为什么没有关于提交申请的记录？
3. 老川在当天的备忘录里，完全没出现。那么谁批准的派兵？
4. 如果那人可以批准派兵，那么（可能的延误）关老川什么事？
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 越描越黑。之前调ng是帮助管理交通，而且是unarmed。
:
:
: Miller当然不会在这种公文上撒谎，国防部的公开备忘录也不会公然撒谎。
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: 撒谎的是民主党、媒体和他们的下家 - 你等：不涉及到chain of command的通
: 话，国
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: 防部的备忘录当然可以不予记录。
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: Miller的电话可以是慰问、可以是通报情况，但绝对和你等声情并茂地讲“
: Pence调兵
:
: ”的故事，没有半毛关系。
:
: 旁证：比你自己贴的那个声明更早，国防部还有一个声明-调动DCNG。按发布声
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 69 你先解释一下你这两个撒的谎吧
1. 事发前三天，国防部就获得总统的授权，一旦有紧急情况，可以根据预案便宜行事
。总统此后没有再直接过问。
只是申请340个ng管理交通，还不带武器的。
2. 整个备忘录，有多起国防部和各方的通讯记录。但是对Pence只字未提。可以断定
Pence打电话给Miller是绝对的谣言。
miller自己官宣跟pence通过话了。
你先承认这两条你是不是撒谎了，我在继续跟你讨论。否则我不跟一个撒谎成性的人讨
论。
: “还得是pence打电话给miller才批准的。老川为啥一直拖着不批准？”
: 不要着急转进，我连续贴了四个帖子，专门打脸。你先把自己上面的谎言编圆了
，我有
: 兴趣，再和你玩别的:
: 1. 备忘录里有记载Pence调兵吗？
: 2. 如果需要老川再次批准，DOD为什么没有关于提交申请的记录？
: 3. 老川在当天的备忘录里，完全没出现。那么谁批准的派兵？
: 4. 如果那人可以批准派兵，那么（可能的延误）关老川什么事？
【在 m******O 的大作中提到】
: “还得是pence打电话给miller才批准的。老川为啥一直拖着不批准？”
: 不要着急转进，我连续贴了四个帖子，专门打脸。你先把自己上面的谎言编圆了，我有
: 兴趣，再和你玩别的:
: 1. 备忘录里有记载Pence调兵吗？
: 2. 如果需要老川再次批准，DOD为什么没有关于提交申请的记录？
: 3. 老川在当天的备忘录里，完全没出现。那么谁批准的派兵？
: 4. 如果那人可以批准派兵，那么（可能的延误）关老川什么事？
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h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 70 "On Monday and Tuesday of last week, Bowser requested 340 D.C. guard troops
to help D.C. police prepare for Wednesday’s protests. The request
prohibited guardsmen from receiving ammunition or riot gear (unless
necessary for self-defense), sharing equipment with local law enforcement or
using surveillance or air assets with explicit sign-off from the defense
secretary, according to The Washington Post. There were also 40 personnel
stationed at Joint Base Andrews if additional support was needed. That
request was approved by the Pentagon and 255 D.C. guardsmen arrived in D.C.
and began traffic management." |
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h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 71 How DJT Lost the White House, Chapter 6: The Aftermath
https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-6-
the-aftermath/
(end) |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 72 There will be Chinese translation soon, and it will be a bestseller. |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 73 This eBook is now #39 on Amazon's Best Selling Book in Kindle Store, and it
has only been live about 18 hours. Let’s get it in the top 10!
The Deep Rig: How Election Fraud Cost Donald J. Trump the White House, By a
Man Who did not Vote for Him: (or what to send friends who ask, "Why do you
doubt the integrity of Election 2020?")
https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Rig-Election-friends-integrity-ebook/dp/
B08X1Z9FHP/ref=zg_bs_digital-text_39?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=
WMKJ236QJZZQD78PDVGK |
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 74 patrick这本书写得不错。我跟pat观点不一样，但是我觉得他是个真正的爱国者。I
respect his opinion but I disagree. |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 75 From Patrick Byrne:
"
If you go to DeepCapture.com you will see something new on the right: https:
//www.deepcapture.com/
It is an add for a new book. If you click, it will take you here:
https://shop.aer.io/DeepCapture/p/The_Deep_RigHow_Election_Fraud_Cost_Donald
_J_Trump/9780578861838-11241
Where you can buy online for the paltry sum of $4.99 (more on that later) my
new book:
The Deep Rig: How Election Fraud Cost Donald J. Trump the White House, By a
Man Who did not Vote for Him Or What to send friends who ask, “Why do you
doubt the integrity of Election 2020?”
This started with the 6 chapters you may have read on the website. Yet those
installments were more or less first drafts. I cut them up, rearranged the
flow to be more logical, then kept adding….. details. Pieces of proof.
Backstories. And previously unknown but extremely important details (e.g.,
what went on backroom with Pence) that have appeared nowhere else but are a
part of history.
In the end, it wound up being being 10 chapters. If you enjoyed the stories
on the Deepcapture website, you will love this. I wrote it because I felt an
obligation to history to get it done.
Note that this is eBook only. You can download it immediately after clicking
through and buying it, and read it on Kindle or your Apple app or whatever
eBook reader you use.
Why am I charging $4.99? I started off expecting simply to put it up online
for free as a pdf. General Flynn convinced me otherwise. It will mean more
to more people if it has a price, both domestically and around the world. I
accepted his argument. But I priced it as low as a serious book can go.
Note the subtitle: “What to send friends who ask, ‘Why do you doubt the
integrity of Election 2020?’” Many people feel frustrated because they
know, they just cannot say why they know, yet get frustrated with those who
cannot see it. Now they have something they can send their friends. If you
know a few of those people, please feel free to send each a copy.
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h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 76 LOL
No one cares about your opinion. Byrne had massive hard evidences provided
in the book and general Flynn, Sidney Powell, Lin Wood are all on the same
page.
Who r u?? This is a rhetorical question.
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: patrick这本书写得不错。我跟pat观点不一样，但是我觉得他是个真正的爱国者。I
: respect his opinion but I disagree.
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 77 I am one of the readers who read all 6 of his articles. How many people on
this board actually did that?
: LOL
: No one cares about your opinion. Byrne had massive hard evidences
provided
: in the book and general Flynn, Sidney Powell, Lin Wood are all on the
same
: page.
: Who r u?? This is a rhetorical question.
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: LOL
: No one cares about your opinion. Byrne had massive hard evidences provided
: in the book and general Flynn, Sidney Powell, Lin Wood are all on the same
: page.
: Who r u?? This is a rhetorical question.
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h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 78 There are more than six chapters. |
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 79 I actually do plan to buy the book. I always try to look at things from both
sides, Unlike many trump fans on this board.
: There are more than six chapters.
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: There are more than six chapters.
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h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 80 New cover for the book. In 24 hours and hit #25 in Amazon Kindle, #11 in New
Releases, #2 in History...
-PB |
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 81 这本书我建议大家都买来读读，作者比较写实，通过他的描述，能看出很多以前不确定
的东西。他的观点我不同意，但是这本书还是挺有价值的。 |
h*******g
发帖数: 1 | 82 "通过他的描述，能看出很多以前不确定的东西"
- like what?
"他的观点我不同意，但是这本书还是挺有价值的。"
- when you disagree with the whole premise and conclusion of the book,
what are the values for you specifically??
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 这本书我建议大家都买来读读，作者比较写实，通过他的描述，能看出很多以前不确定
: 的东西。他的观点我不同意，但是这本书还是挺有价值的。
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 83 这楼之前的讨论里我都说过了，没必要再重复了。
: "通过他的描述，能看出很多以前不确定的东西"
: - like what?
: "他的观点我不同意，但是这本书还是挺有价值的。"
: - when you disagree with the whole premise and conclusion of the book,
: what are the values for you specifically??
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: "通过他的描述，能看出很多以前不确定的东西"
: - like what?
: "他的观点我不同意，但是这本书还是挺有价值的。"
: - when you disagree with the whole premise and conclusion of the book,
: what are the values for you specifically??
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