l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 https://mises.org/power-market/medias-jihad-against-swedens-no-lockdown-
policy-ignores-key-facts
The Media's Jihad against Sweden's No-Lockdown Policy Ignores Key Facts
07/14/2020Ryan McMaken
As soon as it became clear that the Swedish state had no plans to implement
harsh lockdowns, global media organizations like the New York Times have
implemented what can only be described as an ideological jihad against
Sweden.
For many weeks, there has been an incessant drumbeat of articles with titles
touting the "the failure of the country's no-lockdown coronavirus strategy,
" that "Sweden Has Become the World's Cautionary Tale," and "How Sweden
Screwed Up."
It is common to read articles stating that Sweden has one of the world's
worst death rates for COVID-19.
This, however, remains a matter of perspective. |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 2 lockdown绝对是political issue。是当权者的power grab。 |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 3 时间会很快证明的. 现在已经显示lockdown不是唯一的解决方法了.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: lockdown绝对是political issue。是当权者的power grab。
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r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 4 我多次说，lockdown的作用是buy time。本身并不能减少死亡。
如果确实需要buy time，比如医院爆满，lockdown可能有减少死亡的作用。但是长久的
lockdown对谁都没有好处。如果医院长久lockdown，反而会增加其他疾病的死亡数。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 时间会很快证明的. 现在已经显示lockdown不是唯一的解决方法了.
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 5 哪里来的狗屁文章。就拿瑞典的death per million跟几个疫情最严重的地区比了比（
西班牙，意大利，纽约，新泽西），就得出瑞典做的不差？ 根本就是橘子跟苹果的比
较。瑞典的邻国开始实施lockdown时，整个北欧地区的每个国家每天死亡人数都是各位
数字，新增也就是几十个
。 纽约，意大利，西班牙开始lockdown时候，每天死好几百，新增好几千。这尼玛能
比吗？ 要比就要把瑞典跟它的邻国比，因为他们的风土人情，医疗系统，初始的疫情
状况很接近。他们之间的比较才能能看出lockdown与否对国家的不同影响。这才是苹果
和苹果的比较。
implement
titles
strategy,
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: https://mises.org/power-market/medias-jihad-against-swedens-no-lockdown-
: policy-ignores-key-facts
: The Media's Jihad against Sweden's No-Lockdown Policy Ignores Key Facts
: 07/14/2020Ryan McMaken
: As soon as it became clear that the Swedish state had no plans to implement
: harsh lockdowns, global media organizations like the New York Times have
: implemented what can only be described as an ideological jihad against
: Sweden.
: For many weeks, there has been an incessant drumbeat of articles with titles
: touting the "the failure of the country's no-lockdown coronavirus strategy,
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r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 6 你来说说，瑞典有没有因为医疗系统崩溃造成的多余死亡？
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 哪里来的狗屁文章。就拿瑞典的death per million跟几个疫情最严重的地区比了比（
: 西班牙，意大利，纽约，新泽西），就得出瑞典做的不差？ 根本就是橘子跟苹果的比
: 较。瑞典的邻国开始实施lockdown时，整个北欧地区的每个国家每天死亡人数都是各位
: 数字，新增也就是几十个
: 。 纽约，意大利，西班牙开始lockdown时候，每天死好几百，新增好几千。这尼玛能
: 比吗？ 要比就要把瑞典跟它的邻国比，因为他们的风土人情，医疗系统，初始的疫情
: 状况很接近。他们之间的比较才能能看出lockdown与否对国家的不同影响。这才是苹果
: 和苹果的比较。
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: implement
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 7 英国法国也差不多阿. 而且瑞典的死亡率一直在下降
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 哪里来的狗屁文章。就拿瑞典的death per million跟几个疫情最严重的地区比了比（
: 西班牙，意大利，纽约，新泽西），就得出瑞典做的不差？ 根本就是橘子跟苹果的比
: 较。瑞典的邻国开始实施lockdown时，整个北欧地区的每个国家每天死亡人数都是各位
: 数字，新增也就是几十个
: 。 纽约，意大利，西班牙开始lockdown时候，每天死好几百，新增好几千。这尼玛能
: 比吗？ 要比就要把瑞典跟它的邻国比，因为他们的风土人情，医疗系统，初始的疫情
: 状况很接近。他们之间的比较才能能看出lockdown与否对国家的不同影响。这才是苹果
: 和苹果的比较。
:
: implement
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 8 瑞典医疗系统就没崩溃吧.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: 你来说说，瑞典有没有因为医疗系统崩溃造成的多余死亡？
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 9 瑞典一直没崩。因为瑞典population density比较低。每天新增也没有像重灾区的那几
个国家那样一下子爆了。瑞典邻国的情况跟瑞典也比较像。所以这样的比较才有意义。
拿美国跟日本比，那瑞典跟意大利，西班牙，英国甚至纽约比，都是瞎比。
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: 你来说说，瑞典有没有因为医疗系统崩溃造成的多余死亡？
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r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 10 你曾经说lockdown是为了保护医疗系统。瑞典医疗没崩溃也没lockdown是不是很合理？
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 瑞典一直没崩。因为瑞典population density比较低。每天新增也没有像重灾区的那几
: 个国家那样一下子爆了。瑞典邻国的情况跟瑞典也比较像。所以这样的比较才有意义。
: 拿美国跟日本比，那瑞典跟意大利，西班牙，英国甚至纽约比，都是瞎比。
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k**k
发帖数: 204 | 11 瑞典没绷原因之一是国际人员流动少
外来病毒入侵风险低
丫一个偏乡小国
说实话
不lockdown也没啥
但是伦敦纽约肯定不能学
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: 你曾经说lockdown是为了保护医疗系统。瑞典医疗没崩溃也没lockdown是不是很合理？
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 12 我一直说瑞典和邻国是个很好的实验例子，让大家看一下lockdown和不lockdown的效果
的对比。但是你不能说瑞典没有lockdown，就推出美国当初三月份也不用lockdown。那
就是胡说了。
国情不一样，每个国家需不需要lockdown是根据数据来看的，而不是根据别的国家的策
略。 |
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | |
n*****y
发帖数: 1 | 14 我觉得瑞典没有崩溃跟他们的医疗体系很有关系。
如果美国也有全民医保，估计也不会好一些。
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: 你来说说，瑞典有没有因为医疗系统崩溃造成的多余死亡？
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 15 瑞典全国有统一的对抗疫情的政策。虽然政府没有lockdown，但是很多公民都自己的选
择了shelter in home，很多公司也都建议员工 work from home。
Many of its citizens, however, didn’t jump into the deep end. For one thing
, “a lot of Swedes went well beyond the official recommendations for social
distancing, individually taking the kinds of actions that in other
countries were mandated,” said Kasson, co-author of a recent study of
Sweden’s strategy. “A lot of people self-isolated at home, and companies
promoted working from home even though it wasn’t mandated. That shows that
individual decisions that reduce [viral transmission] can have a substantial
effect on national outcomes.”
Among those individual decisions: 58% of Swedes didn’t meet friends, and 74
% stayed home during their spare time, researchers reported in May.
Sweden also issued its distancing recommendations early. Imposing less
restrictive policies right away can be more effective at slowing
transmission and preventing cases than stricter measures later in an
outbreak.
In contrast, if Swedes had done everything they were allowed to do (
especially since face coverings were never required nationally), such as
shop and socialize at the same levels they had pre-pandemic, “it would
likely have led to runaway infection,” Kasson said. But “Sweden is a place
with a very strong embrace of government authority.” When that authority
said keep gatherings small, Swedes “took individual actions that went
beyond the mandated measures,” he said.
再看看美国一帮傻逼们是怎么做的
Some states, especially in the South, began easing restrictions in late
April. But many people seemed to take “bars and restaurants can reopen with
capacity limits” as “back to normal!” An entrenched culture of “don’t
tell me what to do” just about ensured the opposite of Swedes’ placing
greater restrictions on themselves than the government did. And that’s what
happened.
In early-reopening Tennessee, 20- and 30-somethings packed Nashville clubs,
skin-to-skin with scores of strangers (and few face coverings). That pattern
repeated from pool parties at Lake of the Ozarks to bar openings, such as
one in Michigan blamed for more than 100 cases.
Call it “individualism, cultural libertarianism, atomism, selfishness, lack
of social trust, suspicion of authority,” The Week columnist Damon Linker
wrote, “it amounts to a refusal on the part of lots of Americans to think
in terms of … what’s best for the community, of the common or public good.
Each of us thinks we know what’s best for ourselves. We resent being told
what to do.” |
