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L*********4
发帖数: 883
1
真心佩服。没有川总,GOP这团烂泥扶不上墙真是绝对不行。川总的strategic views对
不对即使不谈,tactical水平真心高。你也许可以认为是他con人的水平高,不过GOP众
议员在川总面前就像小孩子过家家一样。
大家就算不讨论AHCA到底如何,就说这个谈判过程,Arts of the deal体现的淋漓尽致。
Politico两篇雄文:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-health-care-obamacare-repeal-236281
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/house-to-vote-thursday-on-gop-obamacare-replacement-236168
对软泡:
“I happen to like, a lot, Sen. Rand Paul,” Mr. Trump told a packed arena
in Louisville. “He’s a good guy. I look forward to working with him so we
can get this bill passed, in some form, so we can pass massive tax reform,
which we can’t do until this [Obamacare repeal] happens.”
欲打先拉,高帽子送上。软泡想要的东西,画饼。
对Meadows:
Trump warned Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, who has led conservative
opposition to the Republican health care plan, that "I'm gonna come after
you" if he keeps it up, according to multiple sources.
The sources cautioned that Trump may have been "half joking," as one put it.
Asked about Trump’s decision to name-check Meadows and pressure him to
support the measure, Sanford said “It was, I think, done in good spirit. I
think it was received that way as well.”
这是我最佩服的地方:威胁人还能给人台阶下。自问我自己是做不到。
对普通GOPer:
"We have a chance to do something fantastic, to do something amazing," Trump
told the lawmakers, according to sources in the room. Trump made the case
that voters gave Republicans control of the White House and Congress to do
just this.
Trump noted that previous attempts to repeal Obamacare weren't going to pass
the Senate or be signed by President Barack Obama.
"I'm asking for your vote on Thursday," Trump said. "Many of you came in on
the pledge to repeal and replace Obamacare. I honestly think many of you
will lose your seats in 2018 if you don't get this done."
直接抬出选民来:我们成则共荣,不成,我还在,你们在2018年就完了。关键语气真诚
。威胁人能威胁到这样也真是没治了。
对中间派(周四):
Aderholt told Trump he was worried that elderly Americans would be hit with
huge premium increases. But Trump prevailed on him, looking Aderholt in the
eye and promising: "These are my people and I will not let them down. We
will fix this for them."
恩威并施之恩。看着Aderholt的眼睛立誓:这是我的人,我不会不管!
周五:
Sources in the room told POLITICO he went around the room and asked each
member if they’d vote for his bill — and each one of them gave the
president the answer he wanted. Trump also said he wanted “everyone to know
I’m 100 percent behind” the plan.
"The president laid these [revisions] out and said, ‘Look, with these
changes, I’m 1,000 percent behind this bill. I want you to vote for this
bill. Can you vote for this bill?’” recalled Majority Whip Steve Scalise (
R-La.), who was in the room Friday morning helping Trump whip votes. “And
every member in the room said yes, which was significant. …That’s a major,
major turnaround and real momentum shifter for where we are. It shows this
president’s been willing to roll up his sleeves and get in the middle of a
negotiation and actually get people to yes.”
密室,一个一个人的问,这像是传销组织,把房间里的气场带动起来。
L*********4
发帖数: 883
2
川总做美国总统太合适。
美国总统无权,executive branch权力非常小。美国总统最大的权力就是rhetoric--引
导舆论。Trump对这一点理解的淋漓尽致,也利用的淋漓尽致。
T**********e
发帖数: 29576
3
能发动群众,老毛啊,这本事谁不跪
h*******n
发帖数: 8906
4
美国总统还没权的话 全世界别的领导人就是个摆设

【在 L*********4 的大作中提到】
: 川总做美国总统太合适。
: 美国总统无权,executive branch权力非常小。美国总统最大的权力就是rhetoric--引
: 导舆论。Trump对这一点理解的淋漓尽致,也利用的淋漓尽致。

r**********8
发帖数: 249
5
奥巴马也牛差,当年听他演讲尿裤子的左逼可不少,为啥全民健保被他搞成了。

【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: 能发动群众,老毛啊,这本事谁不跪
h*******n
发帖数: 8906
6
美国的群众运动直接和选票挂钩选票,中国的群众运动是为啥?打砸烧抢还是抵制抗议?

【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: 能发动群众,老毛啊,这本事谁不跪
L*********4
发帖数: 883
7
奥巴马也就骗骗无知民众,到了参院老狐狸们面前全抓瞎!
奥巴马care里的public option呢?The public option was initially proposed for
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but was removed after Sen.
Joe Lieberman (I-CT) threatened a filibuster.
看看奥巴马为了通过ACA卖了多少逼,完全被参院几个dem议员耍弄于股掌之上:
(Ben) Nelson’s might be the most blatant – a deal carved out for a single
state, a permanent exemption from the state share of Medicaid expansion for
Nebraska, meaning federal taxpayers have to kick in an additional $45
million in the first decade.
But another Democratic holdout, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), took credit for
$10 billion in new funding for community health centers, while denying it
was a “sweetheart deal.” He was clearly more enthusiastic about a bill he
said he couldn’t support just three days ago.
Nelson and Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) carved out an exemption for non-profit
insurers in their states from a hefty excise tax. Similar insurers in the
other 48 states will pay the tax.
Vermont and Massachusetts were given additional Medicaid funding, another
plus for Sanders and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) Three states – Pennsylvania
, New York and Florida – all won protections for their Medicare Advantage
beneficiaries at a time when the program is facing cuts nationwide.
All of this came on top of a $300 million increase for Medicaid in Louisiana
, designed to win the vote of Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu.

【在 r**********8 的大作中提到】
: 奥巴马也牛差,当年听他演讲尿裤子的左逼可不少,为啥全民健保被他搞成了。
I****s
发帖数: 1167
8
CEO出身吗。看过apprentice的就应该知道老川这点还是很牛的。
t*******d
发帖数: 12895
9
属实
c*******o
发帖数: 8869
10
"川总的strategic views对不对即使不谈,tactical水平真心高"
老兄是高级黑"?
"毛主席的Strategic View对不对即使不谈,推行大跃进打倒刘少奇的战术手腕是真心
高"

致。
we

【在 L*********4 的大作中提到】
: 真心佩服。没有川总,GOP这团烂泥扶不上墙真是绝对不行。川总的strategic views对
: 不对即使不谈,tactical水平真心高。你也许可以认为是他con人的水平高,不过GOP众
: 议员在川总面前就像小孩子过家家一样。
: 大家就算不讨论AHCA到底如何,就说这个谈判过程,Arts of the deal体现的淋漓尽致。
: Politico两篇雄文:
: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-health-care-obamacare-repeal-236281
: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/house-to-vote-thursday-on-gop-obamacare-replacement-236168
: 对软泡:
: “I happen to like, a lot, Sen. Rand Paul,” Mr. Trump told a packed arena
: in Louisville. “He’s a good guy. I look forward to working with him so we

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c*******o
发帖数: 8869
11
废掉public option是保险公司的意思。
这么大的law要过,必须政府industry联手。抛开外界,自己关起门搞的医保法也有,
1992的Hillary care,失败了。

for
single
for
for

【在 L*********4 的大作中提到】
: 奥巴马也就骗骗无知民众,到了参院老狐狸们面前全抓瞎!
: 奥巴马care里的public option呢?The public option was initially proposed for
: the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but was removed after Sen.
: Joe Lieberman (I-CT) threatened a filibuster.
: 看看奥巴马为了通过ACA卖了多少逼,完全被参院几个dem议员耍弄于股掌之上:
: (Ben) Nelson’s might be the most blatant – a deal carved out for a single
: state, a permanent exemption from the state share of Medicaid expansion for
: Nebraska, meaning federal taxpayers have to kick in an additional $45
: million in the first decade.
: But another Democratic holdout, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), took credit for

M******k
发帖数: 27573
12
你个巴子还别不服,老毛玩政治的手腕,你们呆湾从老蒋到小菜,没人比得上

【在 c*******o 的大作中提到】
: "川总的strategic views对不对即使不谈,tactical水平真心高"
: 老兄是高级黑"?
: "毛主席的Strategic View对不对即使不谈,推行大跃进打倒刘少奇的战术手腕是真心
: 高"
:
: 致。
: we

s*******u
发帖数: 692
13
纸牌屋 看过之后 你就知道连演员都会这么干

致。
we

【在 L*********4 的大作中提到】
: 真心佩服。没有川总,GOP这团烂泥扶不上墙真是绝对不行。川总的strategic views对
: 不对即使不谈,tactical水平真心高。你也许可以认为是他con人的水平高,不过GOP众
: 议员在川总面前就像小孩子过家家一样。
: 大家就算不讨论AHCA到底如何,就说这个谈判过程,Arts of the deal体现的淋漓尽致。
: Politico两篇雄文:
: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-health-care-obamacare-repeal-236281
: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/house-to-vote-thursday-on-gop-obamacare-replacement-236168
: 对软泡:
: “I happen to like, a lot, Sen. Rand Paul,” Mr. Trump told a packed arena
: in Louisville. “He’s a good guy. I look forward to working with him so we

L*********4
发帖数: 883
14
保险公司是通过Lieberman这一票把public option搞掉的。
奥巴马并不是没有第二种方案来通过ACA,他找了GOP里唯一可能给这个法案投票的
Olympia Snowe。请看Obama是怎么说服moderate Snowe的:
"He began by telling me, 'A great statesperson once said, "When history
calls, history calls,'' ' and said I could make history by supporting health
care reform when it's considered on the Senate floor.
" 'You could be a modern day Joan of Arc,' he offered. I laughed and replied
, 'Yes, but she was burned at the stake!' I added, 'I don't mind taking the
heat, but I have to believe it's the right policy for America.'
"The President responded, 'Don't worry, I'll be there with a fire hose!' "
想劝人成圣女贞德,保证你的成功么?跟Trump比起来奥巴劝人的功力真是小学生水平。



【在 c*******o 的大作中提到】
: 废掉public option是保险公司的意思。
: 这么大的law要过,必须政府industry联手。抛开外界,自己关起门搞的医保法也有,
: 1992的Hillary care,失败了。
:
: for
: single
: for
: for

c*******o
发帖数: 8869
15
老兄对医保很有研究,我认识几个欧洲的人,知道他们的医保情况,不认识德国的人,
你介绍了德国的情况,鄙人受益匪浅,感谢。
再谈这个Joan of Arc。有两个可能,第一,奥巴马不知道贞德的结局,那他这个说法
就脑残了。第二,更可能的是,作为哈佛法学评论主编,他不可能不了解贞德之死和成
圣的历史。他举贞德的例子,恰恰是非常的诚实而不乱开支票,比如说将来医保成功,
你会支持率大涨,连任无忧,那是胡说八道。事实是,如果真的支持obamacare, 日后
作为共和党必然无容身之地,肯定被烧死,医保法案没有一个共和党上船。他是在用历
史定位试图打
动snow。
那么他这个说服技巧是否合适?我们要看一看snow是一个什么样的人。她是一个人生充
满悲剧只人,父母在她10岁分别一前一后去世,26岁丈夫横死成了寡妇,直到15年后又
嫁给了本州的州长。经历了这么大悲剧的人,往往看眼前名利如过眼烟云。到了2012年
,她是全国最为popular的senator之一,没人能挑战她,但是她自己决定引退,所以说
这是一个轻看党派利益而有真实理念之人。对这样的人,用圣女贞德作为talking
point, 是一步险棋,也很可能是奥巴马说服技巧的一个最高境界。
当然,奥巴马失败了,不是因为说服技巧不好,而是因为他的产品没有打动对方。

health
replied
the

【在 L*********4 的大作中提到】
: 保险公司是通过Lieberman这一票把public option搞掉的。
: 奥巴马并不是没有第二种方案来通过ACA,他找了GOP里唯一可能给这个法案投票的
: Olympia Snowe。请看Obama是怎么说服moderate Snowe的:
: "He began by telling me, 'A great statesperson once said, "When history
: calls, history calls,'' ' and said I could make history by supporting health
: care reform when it's considered on the Senate floor.
: " 'You could be a modern day Joan of Arc,' he offered. I laughed and replied
: , 'Yes, but she was burned at the stake!' I added, 'I don't mind taking the
: heat, but I have to believe it's the right policy for America.'
: "The President responded, 'Don't worry, I'll be there with a fire hose!' "

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