l****z 发帖数: 29846 | 1 CNS news都报道了
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/report-fbi-monitored-trump-server-no-intercepts-trumps-phones-or-emails
The FBI briefly monitored a computer server in Trump, but found nothing
illegal, according to a report by Circa.com that cites unnamed sources.
According to both Circa’s video and text reports, the officials say the FBI
was checking to see if there were any suspicious computer communications
with a Russian bank:
“Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly
monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last
October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to
influence the election.”
“The brief counter-intelligence operation yielded no evidence of
criminal activity by anyone on Team Trump.”
What’s more, the FBI did not intercept any phone conversations or emails:
“Officials stressed there were no intercepts of Trump’s phones or
emails.
“Instead, they used traditional investigative techniques to review a
computer server tied to the soon-to-be-president’s business in Trump Towers
but located elsewhere.”
The FBI obtained a court order before undertaking the operation, Circa
reports:
“And, while the FBI did monitor the Trump Tower server, it did so with
a court order, and agents did not listen in on any of Donald Trump’s phone
calls or emails. Instead, they were examining possible computer
communications with a Russian bank – something that turned out to be
innocuous.”
The intelligences sources also tell Circa that they are horrified by the
media’s distortion and the politicizing of this type of confidential,
leaked information:
“U.S. intelligence officers tell us they have watched in horror as
normally secretive investigations have been leaked and distorted by politics
.”
“The sources also say much of the information being slung in media
reports, and by politicians in the Russia-gate scandal, is partisan and
misleading, or outright wrong.” |
P****R 发帖数: 22479 | 2 正常安全作业而已,只要有人举报,FBI就必须有动作。 |
I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 3 哪写了监听了?我只看到说监控了一台服务器。
FBI
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】 : CNS news都报道了 : http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/report-fbi-monitored-trump-server-no-intercepts-trumps-phones-or-emails : The FBI briefly monitored a computer server in Trump, but found nothing : illegal, according to a report by Circa.com that cites unnamed sources. : According to both Circa’s video and text reports, the officials say the FBI : was checking to see if there were any suspicious computer communications : with a Russian bank: : “Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly : monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last : October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to
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P****R 发帖数: 22479 | 4 因为这台服务器同俄罗斯大使馆有联系?
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : 哪写了监听了?我只看到说监控了一台服务器。 : : FBI
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e*****e 发帖数: 2791 | 6 What’s more, the FBI did not intercept any phone conversations or emails:
“Officials stressed there were no intercepts of Trump’s phones or
emails.
楼主标题该改一改 |
G*******h 发帖数: 4091 | 7 把这次监听的前因后果好好查查,怎么申请的许可,有无超范围,有无超期,监听来的
东西都交给谁了?泄漏了多少? |
s***g 发帖数: 437 | 8 脸被打的还不够?监听trump tower里的server算不算监听Trump tower的范畴之一?再
说有没有abuse power没人知道。
有脸让人改标题前,先去把自己几个very fake news的标题改了。
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】 : What’s more, the FBI did not intercept any phone conversations or emails: : “Officials stressed there were no intercepts of Trump’s phones or : emails. : 楼主标题该改一改
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C**********e 发帖数: 23303 | 9 Law and Order
美国安全机构有权监听任何可能危害国家安全的场所
万一 Trump tower 中有非法移民呢? |
P****R 发帖数: 22479 | 10 比如可以说有人举报在川普大厦里面的俄罗斯大亨行踪诡秘,在川普大厦里面安装服务
器,结果FBI在得到法院批准后进行合法监听。
【在 G*******h 的大作中提到】 : 把这次监听的前因后果好好查查,怎么申请的许可,有无超范围,有无超期,监听来的 : 东西都交给谁了?泄漏了多少?
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K*****y 发帖数: 312 | 11 Still no evidence that "President Obama gone to tapp my phones" |
I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 12 “And, while the FBI did monitor the Trump Tower server, it did so with
a court order, and agents did not listen in on any of Donald Trump’s phone
calls or emails. Instead, they were examining possible computer
communications with a Russian bank – something that turned out to be
innocuous.”
明明写的只监控了一台服务器,并没有监听电话或者偷看邮件。到底是谁被打脸?
【在 s***g 的大作中提到】 : 脸被打的还不够?监听trump tower里的server算不算监听Trump tower的范畴之一?再 : 说有没有abuse power没人知道。 : 有脸让人改标题前,先去把自己几个very fake news的标题改了。
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K*****y 发帖数: 312 | 13 I don't care! President Obama gone to tapp my phones!
phone
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : “And, while the FBI did monitor the Trump Tower server, it did so with : a court order, and agents did not listen in on any of Donald Trump’s phone : calls or emails. Instead, they were examining possible computer : communications with a Russian bank – something that turned out to be : innocuous.” : 明明写的只监控了一台服务器,并没有监听电话或者偷看邮件。到底是谁被打脸?
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s***g 发帖数: 437 | 14 你先看明白诈骗犯为啥被打脸再说。就你引用的,文章标题需要改吗?
phone
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : “And, while the FBI did monitor the Trump Tower server, it did so with : a court order, and agents did not listen in on any of Donald Trump’s phone : calls or emails. Instead, they were examining possible computer : communications with a Russian bank – something that turned out to be : innocuous.” : 明明写的只监控了一台服务器,并没有监听电话或者偷看邮件。到底是谁被打脸?
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T******0 发帖数: 1071 | 15 这台server不在Trump Tower里,监视这台server也不在10月的FISA范围内。跟着这条
线只能牵出扣米失职。所以只是烟雾弹。 |
I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 16 “FBI监听Trump tower已经坐实了”。 监听和监控一字之差,意义确实差远了。监听
就必须要听,意味着确实窃听了。监控则只是对服务器之间所有数据传输的monitor。
【在 s***g 的大作中提到】 : 你先看明白诈骗犯为啥被打脸再说。就你引用的,文章标题需要改吗? : : phone
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 17 “Instead, they used traditional investigative techniques to review a
computer server tied to the soon-to-be-president’s business in Trump Towers
but located elsewhere.”
而且这台服务器还不是放置在trump tower里,更加谈不上对trump tower的监听了。楼
主一个短短的标题里就有两处失实。如果不是故意误导,那我只能认为是楼主英文不够
好了。
【在 s***g 的大作中提到】 : 你先看明白诈骗犯为啥被打脸再说。就你引用的,文章标题需要改吗? : : phone
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s***g 发帖数: 437 | 18 你先搞明白监听和窃听的区别再来,monitor是监听,少来搞文字游戏。
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : “FBI监听Trump tower已经坐实了”。 监听和监控一字之差,意义确实差远了。监听 : 就必须要听,意味着确实窃听了。监控则只是对服务器之间所有数据传输的monitor。
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K*****y 发帖数: 312 | 19 President Obama gone to tapp my phones!
-Trump
【在 s***g 的大作中提到】 : 你先搞明白监听和窃听的区别再来,monitor是监听,少来搞文字游戏。
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 20 你说反了吧?明明是楼主在玩文字游戏呀。monitor翻译成中文可以是监听,也可以是
监控。但是还要看对象。如果对象是电话,那就是监听。如果只是一台服务器,那就是
监控。况且这台服务器还不在trump tower。FBI监控一台远程的服务器,跟FBI监听
trump tower这个意思差远了吧?
【在 s***g 的大作中提到】 : 你先搞明白监听和窃听的区别再来,monitor是监听,少来搞文字游戏。
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c****7 发帖数: 838 | 21 这就是扯淡了,目前大多数电话系统都是基于ip的,模拟电话越来越少了,也就是说大
多数电话都走数据,比如T1,或者internet,语音视频通信都走数据,现在窃听根本不
用搭线,把路由上的数据mirror就可以了。
谁知道这个服务器是不是电话服务器?
具体操作的时候到底截取的是什么数据天知道。
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : “FBI监听Trump tower已经坐实了”。 监听和监控一字之差,意义确实差远了。监听 : 就必须要听,意味着确实窃听了。监控则只是对服务器之间所有数据传输的monitor。
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s**t 发帖数: 17016 | 22 既然做实了,怎么不去抓奥巴马呀?
FBI
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】 : CNS news都报道了 : http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/report-fbi-monitored-trump-server-no-intercepts-trumps-phones-or-emails : The FBI briefly monitored a computer server in Trump, but found nothing : illegal, according to a report by Circa.com that cites unnamed sources. : According to both Circa’s video and text reports, the officials say the FBI : was checking to see if there were any suspicious computer communications : with a Russian bank: : “Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly : monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last : October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to
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e*****e 发帖数: 2791 | 23 Monitor 不是监听,那是 wiretap。当年水门事件时的用词就是 Wiretap。更何况主楼
新闻已经说了:
What’s more, the FBI did not intercept any phone conversations or emails:
“Officials stressed there were no intercepts of Trump’s phones or
emails.
【在 s***g 的大作中提到】 : 你先搞明白监听和窃听的区别再来,monitor是监听,少来搞文字游戏。
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s***g 发帖数: 437 | 24 你要说中文,监控比监听范围更大,自己去翻字典。
你要说物理地址,原文里的 monitored a computer server in Trump Tower 又怎么说?
反正是不具名source说的,到底是哪台server被监听了,只能听source说啥是啥了。原
文标题没问题。
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : 你说反了吧?明明是楼主在玩文字游戏呀。monitor翻译成中文可以是监听,也可以是 : 监控。但是还要看对象。如果对象是电话,那就是监听。如果只是一台服务器,那就是 : 监控。况且这台服务器还不在trump tower。FBI监控一台远程的服务器,跟FBI监听 : trump tower这个意思差远了吧?
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 25 这台服务器只是跟trump tower的business 有关,但并不是locate 在trump tower。
无所谓了,标题改不改没啥意义。反正大家也都心里明白是怎么回事。
说?
【在 s***g 的大作中提到】 : 你要说中文,监控比监听范围更大,自己去翻字典。 : 你要说物理地址,原文里的 monitored a computer server in Trump Tower 又怎么说? : 反正是不具名source说的,到底是哪台server被监听了,只能听source说啥是啥了。原 : 文标题没问题。
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 26 你才扯淡呢。你那个叫wiretap,而不是monitor了。
【在 c****7 的大作中提到】 : 这就是扯淡了,目前大多数电话系统都是基于ip的,模拟电话越来越少了,也就是说大 : 多数电话都走数据,比如T1,或者internet,语音视频通信都走数据,现在窃听根本不 : 用搭线,把路由上的数据mirror就可以了。 : 谁知道这个服务器是不是电话服务器? : 具体操作的时候到底截取的是什么数据天知道。
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P****a 发帖数: 1348 | 27 意料之中,当时实际上已经用“民间安全专家“的方式报道过了。 |
e*****e 发帖数: 2791 | 28 重点整理:
一、FBI 得到法院命令,monitor 了不在川普大楼但与川普事业有关的一台主机的电脑
通信,但未发现不法证据。
二、新闻再三强调,不是监听电话,而是电脑通信。(当然这可能包括 VoIP 的东西,
新闻强调的是没有用传统搭线的方法窃听电话,就是 “wiretap”。)
这则新闻证实了之前 Heat Street 的报道,但并没有新料。
FBI
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】 : CNS news都报道了 : http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/report-fbi-monitored-trump-server-no-intercepts-trumps-phones-or-emails : The FBI briefly monitored a computer server in Trump, but found nothing : illegal, according to a report by Circa.com that cites unnamed sources. : According to both Circa’s video and text reports, the officials say the FBI : was checking to see if there were any suspicious computer communications : with a Russian bank: : “Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly : monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last : October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 29 这则新闻其实也提到了主机不在trump tower,只是跟trump tower的业务有关。
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】 : 重点整理: : 一、FBI 得到法院命令,monitor 了不在川普大楼但与川普事业有关的一台主机的电脑 : 通信,但未发现不法证据。 : 二、新闻再三强调,不是监听电话,而是电脑通信。(当然这可能包括 VoIP 的东西, : 新闻强调的是没有用传统搭线的方法窃听电话,就是 “wiretap”。) : 这则新闻证实了之前 Heat Street 的报道,但并没有新料。 : : FBI
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d*********8 发帖数: 2192 | 30 对了 现在IT行业查bug还用紫光灯 吸尘器 清洁工
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】 : 重点整理: : 一、FBI 得到法院命令,monitor 了不在川普大楼但与川普事业有关的一台主机的电脑 : 通信,但未发现不法证据。 : 二、新闻再三强调,不是监听电话,而是电脑通信。(当然这可能包括 VoIP 的东西, : 新闻强调的是没有用传统搭线的方法窃听电话,就是 “wiretap”。) : 这则新闻证实了之前 Heat Street 的报道,但并没有新料。 : : FBI
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c*******o 发帖数: 8869 | 31 全世界挂川普牌子的楼得好几百座吧,随便监视里边一个阿猫阿狗,奥巴马都得入狱?
【在 s**t 的大作中提到】 : 既然做实了,怎么不去抓奥巴马呀? : : FBI
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S*******h 发帖数: 7021 | 32 这新闻跟FISA order无关。 FISA是有order wiretap Trump Tower in Oct 2016. 很
快就会水落石出了。 |
e*****e 发帖数: 2791 | 33 对对对,刚才发现了,已经回头改掉了。谢谢。
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : 这则新闻其实也提到了主机不在trump tower,只是跟trump tower的业务有关。
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 34 “Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly
monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last
October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to
influence the election.”
这次FBI的监控时间上也是2016年10月份,而且是拿到court order。会不会是小报把这
个当成了fisa order?
【在 S*******h 的大作中提到】 : 这新闻跟FISA order无关。 FISA是有order wiretap Trump Tower in Oct 2016. 很 : 快就会水落石出了。
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e*****e 发帖数: 2791 | 35 看起来就是同一个法院,同一个事情,只是可能楼主的新闻是由不同的 source 得到证
实。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/USANews/32888519_3.html
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : “Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly : monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last : October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to : influence the election.” : 这次FBI的监控时间上也是2016年10月份,而且是拿到court order。会不会是小报把这 : 个当成了fisa order?
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 36 本文里提到的FBI拿到的court order,是不是FISA的court order?这个其实我没搞清
楚。
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】 : 看起来就是同一个法院,同一个事情,只是可能楼主的新闻是由不同的 source 得到证 : 实。 : http://www.mitbbs.com/article/USANews/32888519_3.html
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l****z 发帖数: 29846 | 37 尼玛你看不懂英文?
“Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly
monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last
October
尼玛这个server不在trump tower里面?
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : 你说反了吧?明明是楼主在玩文字游戏呀。monitor翻译成中文可以是监听,也可以是 : 监控。但是还要看对象。如果对象是电话,那就是监听。如果只是一台服务器,那就是 : 监控。况且这台服务器还不在trump tower。FBI监控一台远程的服务器,跟FBI监听 : trump tower这个意思差远了吧?
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l****z 发帖数: 29846 | 38 整理个p阿, 里面写着server在Trump tower里面你竟然傻逼的说不在trump tower里面?
这个消息其实很重要, 因为以前FBI说根本没有监听Trump tower. 现在改口说是监听
trump tower了,但却说只是看了一台server. 估计几天后又改口说的确听了Trump和
flynn的几个电话. Flynn的电话难道不是被监听了嘛?
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】 : 重点整理: : 一、FBI 得到法院命令,monitor 了不在川普大楼但与川普事业有关的一台主机的电脑 : 通信,但未发现不法证据。 : 二、新闻再三强调,不是监听电话,而是电脑通信。(当然这可能包括 VoIP 的东西, : 新闻强调的是没有用传统搭线的方法窃听电话,就是 “wiretap”。) : 这则新闻证实了之前 Heat Street 的报道,但并没有新料。 : : FBI
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f**a 发帖数: 2498 | 39 你原谅他,我提醒过他了。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/USANews/32894639_0.html
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】 : 尼玛你看不懂英文? : “Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly : monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last : October : 尼玛这个server不在trump tower里面?
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 40 接着往下看:
“Instead, they used traditional investigative techniques to review a
computer server tied to the soon-to-be-president’s business in Trump Towers
but located elsewhere.”
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】 : 尼玛你看不懂英文? : “Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly : monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last : October : 尼玛这个server不在trump tower里面?
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l****z 发帖数: 29846 | 41 你接着再往下看:
“And, while the FBI did monitor the Trump Tower server, it did so with
a court order, and agents did not listen in on any of Donald Trump’s phone
calls or emails. Instead, they were examining possible computer
communications with a Russian bank – something that turned out to be
innocuous.”
他们说的是怎么监视trump的call和email的,说没有直接监听,而是通过trump tower
外面的一个server。
但是trump tower里面的server,他们的确monitor了。 我觉得那个court order根本应
该拿不到的,但偏偏拿到了。
而且flynn的电话怎么会被监听的? 他当时可是在Trump tower里面哦。
Towers
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : 接着往下看: : “Instead, they used traditional investigative techniques to review a : computer server tied to the soon-to-be-president’s business in Trump Towers : but located elsewhere.”
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A***n 发帖数: 8859 | 42 这个监听,是合法的还是非法的?
FBI
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】 : CNS news都报道了 : http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/report-fbi-monitored-trump-server-no-intercepts-trumps-phones-or-emails : The FBI briefly monitored a computer server in Trump, but found nothing : illegal, according to a report by Circa.com that cites unnamed sources. : According to both Circa’s video and text reports, the officials say the FBI : was checking to see if there were any suspicious computer communications : with a Russian bank: : “Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly : monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last : October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 43 所以你是说有两个server?
结合CNN的另一篇报道,我的理解是只有一个email服务器,它确实是trump竞选团队在
trump tower里用来做email campaign的,但是服务器的location是在宾州。文章里的
所说的trump tower server, 指的是逻辑服务器,也就是trump tower用的server。而
第二个说的是物理服务器,所以指出了它的具体位置并不在trump tower里。
phone
tower
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】 : 你接着再往下看: : “And, while the FBI did monitor the Trump Tower server, it did so with : a court order, and agents did not listen in on any of Donald Trump’s phone : calls or emails. Instead, they were examining possible computer : communications with a Russian bank – something that turned out to be : innocuous.” : 他们说的是怎么监视trump的call和email的,说没有直接监听,而是通过trump tower : 外面的一个server。 : 但是trump tower里面的server,他们的确monitor了。 我觉得那个court order根本应 : 该拿不到的,但偏偏拿到了。
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I****s 发帖数: 1167 | 44 根据文章的描述,FBI只是monitor 老川团队的email服务器与俄罗斯银行的服务器之间
的通讯,并不是wiretap,而且是拿到了court order。但不清楚是不是FISA的court
order。所以我认
为是合法的。
【在 A***n 的大作中提到】 : 这个监听,是合法的还是非法的? : : FBI
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e*****e 发帖数: 2791 | 45 这个有点意思,让我洗碗工用有限的网络知识揣测一下:
故事是从一个民间高手开始的。
民间高手发现了俄国银行与教育部长老公的医疗机构的服务器上,发出了许多 DNS 的
查询,寻找某个川普的服务器。我记得在某个新闻里看到一个电邮域名,叫做 trump-
email.com。好,假设服务器 #1 在宾州,它对应域名 trump-email.com,这是一个
外界通过 DNS 可以查询得到的、公开的服务器。
你说在川普大楼里有一个服务器 #2,而且是 “trump竞选团队在trump tower里用来做
email campaign的”。这是一种很常见的设计,为了不影响正常邮件的收发,人们会用
一台专用的服务器,专门用来发垃圾信。这种服务器没有/不需要对应域名,只要能跑
SMTP 即可;而且最好就放在公司内部,因为它需要比较多的管理。因为它没有域名,
所以 DNS 上找不到,外界也看不到(除非直接通过 IP 地址。)
这是我对所谓 “两台服务器” 的猜想,纯属好玩。FBI 如果要调查的话,应该调查谁
?应该是调查 #1,因为当初大量异常 DNS 查询的对象就是在询问 #1 的地址。
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】 : 所以你是说有两个server? : 结合CNN的另一篇报道,我的理解是只有一个email服务器,它确实是trump竞选团队在 : trump tower里用来做email campaign的,但是服务器的location是在宾州。文章里的 : 所说的trump tower server, 指的是逻辑服务器,也就是trump tower用的server。而 : 第二个说的是物理服务器,所以指出了它的具体位置并不在trump tower里。 : : phone : tower
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h**0 发帖数: 374 | 46 Re
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【在 l****z 的大作中提到】 : CNS news都报道了 : http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/report-fbi-monitored-trump-server-no-intercepts-trumps-phones-or-emails : The FBI briefly monitored a computer server in Trump, but found nothing : illegal, according to a report by Circa.com that cites unnamed sources. : According to both Circa’s video and text reports, the officials say the FBI : was checking to see if there were any suspicious computer communications : with a Russian bank: : “Sources tell Circa that FBI counter-intelligence officials briefly : monitored a computer server in Trump Tower at the end of the election last : October, but it was part of a broader probe into Russian efforts to
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