x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 1 版上认识我的ID的都应该知道我的立场，所以人身攻击就免了（也对我无效）
请大家帮忙找一下donald trump 对于 affirmative action的态度。我直接google了
"donald trump on affirmative action"
总体感觉是他的态度是在不明确到支持AA之间。
对比ted cruz在 Jun. 30, 2015的采访（link会在回帖给出）
“When affirmative action came up, Cruz argued vigorously against race-based
admissions, and warned that de-prioritizing academic merit in selecting
applicants would inevitably lead to unintentional injustices. As evidence,
he pointed to Ivy League schools that used to enforce “negative quotas” to
keep from accepting too many Jews. “We see it now with colleges in
California … negative quotas against Asian students because academically
they’re excelling.””
入学的AA对于很多华人是一票否决性质的问题，这个不能含糊。
如果有人有更准确的消息源，请帮忙分享一下，谢谢大家了。 |
d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 2 trump基本上就是个左派候选人，
但是是个务实左派。
这个比极端的无论左右都要好很多
based
to
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 版上认识我的ID的都应该知道我的立场，所以人身攻击就免了（也对我无效）
: 请大家帮忙找一下donald trump 对于 affirmative action的态度。我直接google了
: "donald trump on affirmative action"
: 总体感觉是他的态度是在不明确到支持AA之间。
: 对比ted cruz在 Jun. 30, 2015的采访（link会在回帖给出）
: “When affirmative action came up, Cruz argued vigorously against race-based
: admissions, and warned that de-prioritizing academic merit in selecting
: applicants would inevitably lead to unintentional injustices. As evidence,
: he pointed to Ivy League schools that used to enforce “negative quotas” to
: keep from accepting too many Jews. “We see it now with colleges in
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p**j
发帖数: 7063 | 3 AA在华人看来很重要，但是在美国不是个重要议题，川普只是不想树敌太多而已，你不
能指望川普在全方位上一起开战，现在都已经很困难了。川普将对AA做出最大的贡献将
是阻止大量非法入侵者，这样将来投票的时候，支持AA的一方会少很多，这就足够了。
反AA需要议员和川普任命的大法官来解决。
based
to
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 版上认识我的ID的都应该知道我的立场，所以人身攻击就免了（也对我无效）
: 请大家帮忙找一下donald trump 对于 affirmative action的态度。我直接google了
: "donald trump on affirmative action"
: 总体感觉是他的态度是在不明确到支持AA之间。
: 对比ted cruz在 Jun. 30, 2015的采访（link会在回帖给出）
: “When affirmative action came up, Cruz argued vigorously against race-based
: admissions, and warned that de-prioritizing academic merit in selecting
: applicants would inevitably lead to unintentional injustices. As evidence,
: he pointed to Ivy League schools that used to enforce “negative quotas” to
: keep from accepting too many Jews. “We see it now with colleges in
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 4 总统对AA影响有限，
主要还是看state & 高院， 以及院校自己的行政主张
【在 p**j 的大作中提到】
: AA在华人看来很重要，但是在美国不是个重要议题，川普只是不想树敌太多而已，你不
: 能指望川普在全方位上一起开战，现在都已经很困难了。川普将对AA做出最大的贡献将
: 是阻止大量非法入侵者，这样将来投票的时候，支持AA的一方会少很多，这就足够了。
: 反AA需要议员和川普任命的大法官来解决。
:
: based
: to
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 5 赞严谨学术精神
Cruz反AA立场坚定
床铺曾经说过Cruz支持的大法官Roberts不够保守，然而Roberts已经是反AA的坚定大法
官，曾写下可以传颂千古的名句。 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 6 总统对AA影响不小，参见Obama要求公司回报种族和工资。
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 总统对AA影响有限，
: 主要还是看state & 高院， 以及院校自己的行政主张
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S*******h
发帖数: 7021 | 7 我看过一个他大儿子Nevada Town Hall的视频 他儿子认为就业跟入学机会应该是merit
based
, not race based. We want to hire top talents to be competitive and strong.
至于本尊 没听他提起过 但他儿子应该是帮他Town Hall代言 那就算成是他本人意见了
based
to
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 版上认识我的ID的都应该知道我的立场，所以人身攻击就免了（也对我无效）
: 请大家帮忙找一下donald trump 对于 affirmative action的态度。我直接google了
: "donald trump on affirmative action"
: 总体感觉是他的态度是在不明确到支持AA之间。
: 对比ted cruz在 Jun. 30, 2015的采访（link会在回帖给出）
: “When affirmative action came up, Cruz argued vigorously against race-based
: admissions, and warned that de-prioritizing academic merit in selecting
: applicants would inevitably lead to unintentional injustices. As evidence,
: he pointed to Ivy League schools that used to enforce “negative quotas” to
: keep from accepting too many Jews. “We see it now with colleges in
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 8 非常同意。在AA上学上，老黑其实没多大兴趣，主要是西移，加州的SCA5就是他们推动
的。如果老墨或者民主党上台，一旦大赦，1100万非法移民再拉上七大姑八大姨，亚裔
瞬间被淹没。
【在 p**j 的大作中提到】
: AA在华人看来很重要，但是在美国不是个重要议题，川普只是不想树敌太多而已，你不
: 能指望川普在全方位上一起开战，现在都已经很困难了。川普将对AA做出最大的贡献将
: 是阻止大量非法入侵者，这样将来投票的时候，支持AA的一方会少很多，这就足够了。
: 反AA需要议员和川普任命的大法官来解决。
:
: based
: to
|
x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 9 ted cruz关于aa的观点原link
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/ted-cruz-knows-how-to-go-v
这个是trump关于AA的报道
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/13/politics/donald-trump-antonin-sca
=========================Qoute begin
Donald Trump says Justice Antonin Scalia's comments about black students
performing better in "slower-track" universities are "very tough" to African
-Americans.
"I thought it was very tough to the African-American community, actually,"
Trump told CNN's Jake Tapper in an interview that aired Sunday on "State of
the Union."
"I don't like what he said," Trump added. "No, I don't like what he said. I
heard him, I was like, 'Let me read it again' because I actually saw it in
print, and I'm going -- I read a lot of stuff -- and I'm going, 'Whoa!' "
Scalia has been criticized for comments he made Wednesday during the Supreme
Court's hearing of an affirmative action case in which he seemed to suggest
that some African-Americans belong in lesser colleges.
"There are those who contend that it does not benefit African-Americans to
get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed
to having them go to a less-advanced school, a less -- a slower-track school
where they do well," Scalia said. "One of the briefs pointed out that most
of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the
University of Texas."
LISTEN: Supreme Court releases audio of Justice Antonin Scalia
Trump previously said he was "fine with affirmative action" on NBC's "Meet
the Press."
Quote end==================================
准确的说他的态度还是不明确，但不是让人太放心。 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | |
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s*********r
发帖数: 9493 | 11 看一下这个报道吧，2015年12月13日。Trump: ‘I don’t like’ what Scalia said
about affirmative action
The billionaire said he thought Scalia’s comments were “very tough to the
African-American community.”
Trump, who has supported affirmative action in the past but declined to say
whether he was in favor of it today, said he has great friendships with
black people.
链接：
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/263074-t |
x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 12 还有这个link里他和 Chuck Todd 的对话
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/12/trump-piles-on-sc
==============================
Here is Trump’s exchange with Chuck Todd on the subject this summer:
CHUCK TODD:
Affirmative action. Should we keep it? Yes or no.
DONALD TRUMP:
I’m fine with affirmative action. I mean, I think —
CHUCK TODD:
Should it be expanded? Or should it —
DONALD TRUMP:
— we’ve been having —
CHUCK TODD:
— be limited?
DONALD TRUMP:
Well, you know, you have to also go free market. You have to go
capability. You have to do a lot of things. But I’m fine with affirmative
action. We’ve lived with it for a long time. And I lived with it for a long
time. And I’ve had great relationships with lots of people. So I’m fine
with it.
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | |
t*******d
发帖数: 12895 | |
m**k
发帖数: 1503 | 15 其实大家都一样，嘴上不说，心里面都是鄙视AA的，不过Trump也不敢公开反AA
【在 t*******d 的大作中提到】
: trump 反对 affirmative action
: http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/not-so-affirmative/
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s*********r
发帖数: 9493 | 16 算了， Trump的观点表达得多清楚啊，真的不需要再洗地了：反正也洗不干净。 |
x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 17 他在question the eiligibility of Obama the Ivy League，没有直接谈及AA.
【在 t*******d 的大作中提到】
: trump 反对 affirmative action
: http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/not-so-affirmative/
|
t*******d
发帖数: 12895 | 18 not only is he questioning Obama’s intelligence, but he is playing a
frightening game of race politics that brings up the burning question of
Affirmative Action.
他和儿子都提到merit base，家族企业老总，才不会装B推AA
他还嫌大法官罗伯斯不够保守
你还想啥样？
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 他在question the eiligibility of Obama the Ivy League，没有直接谈及AA.
|
j*********r
发帖数: 24733 | 19 这个应该只是推论，现在并没有肯定的答案。但是在我看来，AA就是政治正确的一部分
，川铺这么坚定的反对政治正确，我很难得出他支持AA的结论.
based
to
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 版上认识我的ID的都应该知道我的立场，所以人身攻击就免了（也对我无效）
: 请大家帮忙找一下donald trump 对于 affirmative action的态度。我直接google了
: "donald trump on affirmative action"
: 总体感觉是他的态度是在不明确到支持AA之间。
: 对比ted cruz在 Jun. 30, 2015的采访（link会在回帖给出）
: “When affirmative action came up, Cruz argued vigorously against race-based
: admissions, and warned that de-prioritizing academic merit in selecting
: applicants would inevitably lead to unintentional injustices. As evidence,
: he pointed to Ivy League schools that used to enforce “negative quotas” to
: keep from accepting too many Jews. “We see it now with colleges in
|
m********g
发帖数: 10469 | 20 没必要这么考量，希拉拉是个积极支持者连监狱都要AA，他肯定不会积极维护。至少他
这么多年搞商业都是看人本事。甜大妈跟只苍蝇一样嗡嗡嗡，真跟国内居委会大妈一样，
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 他在question the eiligibility of Obama the Ivy League，没有直接谈及AA.
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x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 21 我指的是通过你提供的link链接过去的采访他的原帖
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-how-did-obama-get-into-the-iv
这里有他采访的 ***原句***，并没有 ***直接*** 针对AA的观点，更多的是针对obama
的批评。
你提供的link主要还是作者的个人观点，而不是trump的原话。
http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/not-so-affirmative/
他和他儿子多次提到merit base，我当然知道。但我在12楼提供的link是更让我担心的
。我把关键的再贴一遍
"Well, you know, you have to also go free market. You have to go
capability. You have to do a lot of things. But I’m fine with affirmative
action. We’ve lived with it for a long time. And I lived with it for a long
time. And I’ve had great relationships with lots of people. So I’m fine
with it. "
有理说理，没必要神话任何人。
【在 t*******d 的大作中提到】
: not only is he questioning Obama’s intelligence, but he is playing a
: frightening game of race politics that brings up the burning question of
: Affirmative Action.
: 他和儿子都提到merit base，家族企业老总，才不会装B推AA
: 他还嫌大法官罗伯斯不够保守
: 你还想啥样？
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m********g
发帖数: 10469 | 22 他能当那么多人面直接斥责黑人权益者说all life matters, 至于AA他肯定不是积极维
护者，那个大法官关于AA的话太直接了
obama
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 我指的是通过你提供的link链接过去的采访他的原帖
: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-how-did-obama-get-into-the-iv
: 这里有他采访的 ***原句***，并没有 ***直接*** 针对AA的观点，更多的是针对obama
: 的批评。
: 你提供的link主要还是作者的个人观点，而不是trump的原话。
: http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/not-so-affirmative/
: 他和他儿子多次提到merit base，我当然知道。但我在12楼提供的link是更让我担心的
: 。我把关键的再贴一遍
: "Well, you know, you have to also go free market. You have to go
: capability. You have to do a lot of things. But I’m fine with affirmative
|
t*******d
发帖数: 12895 | 23 黑人大法官托马斯旗帜鲜明地反AA，作为黑人都被黑人骂死了
川普这样强调merit擦边球地反AA已经不错了
他如果旗帜鲜明地反AA，没有意义，被邪恶媒体使劲spin,黑墨的票就亏死了
他上台后提名保守派大法官才是实打实的，总统打嘴炮没用，高院判决下来才是法律
obama
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 我指的是通过你提供的link链接过去的采访他的原帖
: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-how-did-obama-get-into-the-iv
: 这里有他采访的 ***原句***，并没有 ***直接*** 针对AA的观点，更多的是针对obama
: 的批评。
: 你提供的link主要还是作者的个人观点，而不是trump的原话。
: http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/not-so-affirmative/
: 他和他儿子多次提到merit base，我当然知道。但我在12楼提供的link是更让我担心的
: 。我把关键的再贴一遍
: "Well, you know, you have to also go free market. You have to go
: capability. You have to do a lot of things. But I’m fine with affirmative
|
s******r
发帖数: 5309 | 24 你应该先查一查有屎以来有几个候选人当选后兑现承诺的。除了个别想上疼校的关心AA
，大部分可能以为AA是A片的一种呢。 Affirmative Action=同意活动？
based
to
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 版上认识我的ID的都应该知道我的立场，所以人身攻击就免了（也对我无效）
: 请大家帮忙找一下donald trump 对于 affirmative action的态度。我直接google了
: "donald trump on affirmative action"
: 总体感觉是他的态度是在不明确到支持AA之间。
: 对比ted cruz在 Jun. 30, 2015的采访（link会在回帖给出）
: “When affirmative action came up, Cruz argued vigorously against race-based
: admissions, and warned that de-prioritizing academic merit in selecting
: applicants would inevitably lead to unintentional injustices. As evidence,
: he pointed to Ivy League schools that used to enforce “negative quotas” to
: keep from accepting too many Jews. “We see it now with colleges in
|
