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l****z
发帖数: 29846
1
看两党提出的budget,一个提出要深入改革medicare和medicaid,10年后彻底解决政府
deficit的问题. 一个就是靠加税过日子,什么时候能解决政府deficit的问题? 不知道
. 明显的就是kick the can down the street.
明显的共和党比民主党目光要远大的多.民主党就是得过且过,到最后就是象希腊那样想
过也过不了.
Opening Budget Bids Set Parties' Battle Lines
By JANET HOOK And KRISTINA PETERSON
Congress opens a new chapter in the budget debate this week with the
introduction of dueling blueprints from two lawmakers who illustrate their
parties' vastly different approaches to the role of government.
Sen. Patty Murray (D., Wash.) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), heads of the
Senate and House budget committees, will propose budget resolutions that set
tax and spending targets for the entire federal government starting Oct. 1.
Their work marks an attempt to steer Congress back toward its traditional
role of passing a budget each year, rather than the stopgap funding measures
used to keep government running in recent years.
The blueprints, from the parties' budget chiefs, cement how far apart
Democrats and Republicans are on tax and spending policy. Mr. Ryan's budget
will include no new tax increases or Pentagon cuts while advancing big
changes to Medicare and Medicaid, all with the goal of erasing the annual
federal deficit in 10 years. Ms. Murray's plan is expected to increase taxes
on upper-income households and corporations and make modest spending cuts
to domestic programs; it wouldn't balance the budget anytime soon.
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Getty Images (2).
Lawmakers are hoping that having members of both parties spell out budget
priorities away from Congress's recent constant-crisis mode could help
foster the kind of deficit-reduction plan that has eluded Washington. While
the House has regularly passed partisan blueprints, Senate Democrats haven't
drawn up a budget since 2009.
Ms. Murray, a relatively low-profile 62-year-old, is a dedicated liberal who
helped engineer Democrats' Senate victories of 2012. Her Budget Committee
has been a megaphone for her party's message that spending cuts have real-
world consequences.
"The budget debate is a debate about values and priorities—and we are on
the right side of this issue," she said in a presentation to Senate
Democrats during a strategy retreat in Annapolis, Md., earlier this year.
Mr. Ryan, 43, is a conservative budget wonk who was catapulted to national
prominence as his party's 2012 vice-presidential candidate. His Budget
Committee has been a springboard for his ideas about the need to curb the
federal debt.
"We value economic growth and opportunity. We value preserving a good legacy
for the next generation," Mr. Ryan said in an interview. "We also value
having the government doing its job well and not extending beyond its reach."
The two have largely stayed on the sidelines during recent debates over
spending cuts, known as sequestration, and the short-term funding extension
lawmakers are working on to keep the government running past March 27.
Now, the focus shifts to longer-term planning through next year's budget.
The House GOP budget would curb future spending by about $5 trillion over 10
years without raising any new taxes, and slow growth in annual spending to
3.4% from 4.9%, Mr. Ryan said Sunday on Fox News.
As with his 2012 budget, this year's plan proposes to reduce the growth in
Medicaid spending by turning the program into a block grant to states, cut
Medicare costs by offering future retirees a subsidy to buy private health
insurance as an alternative, and overhaul the tax code to lower rates.
This year, he won't seek to reverse the big tax increases passed by Congress
in January, a concession to political reality—and one that makes balancing
the budget easier.
"We don't want to re-fight the fiscal cliff," Mr. Ryan said Sunday. Some of
his proposals are less politically viable: He will again suggest repealing
and removing funding for the president's health-care overhaul, replacing it
with a "patient-centered" system.
Mr. Ryan has backed away from proposals to make more changes to Medicare.
Centrists in his party were nervous about reneging on long-standing promises
to preserve existing benefits for everyone 55 and older.
Ms. Murray wants to include a significant tax increase by eliminating tax
breaks that benefit upper-income households and corporations, accompanied by
modest demands for curbing spending on domestic programs.
Her plan focuses on a more limited goal of reducing the deficit as a share
of the economy.
The pair, relatively new acquaintances, met for breakfast in December, when
Ms. Murray invited Mr. Ryan to the Senate dining room after she decided to
accept the Budget chairmanship. They have chatted occasionally by phone.
For the most part, they are sizing each other up at arm's length. Ms. Murray
, in a memo she wrote for Senate Democrats, blasted Mr. Ryan's budget before
he had even written it.
"We are likely headed toward another House Republican budget that balances
on the backs of the middle class and most vulnerable," she wrote.
Mr. Ryan responded tartly in a recent discussion with reporters: "I've read
her memos, and I have yet to find one I agree with."
While new to budget-writing, Ms. Murray is a veteran of congressional
politics. She served as the co-chair of the "supercommittee" that failed in
2011 to reach agreement on reducing the deficit by $1.2 trillion, paving the
way for the sequester.
Presaging her role as budget chairman, she helped steel Democrats to hold
out for a deal that included both tax increases and spending cuts. It never
arrived.
She will need support from every Democrat on her panel, and they span the
ideological spectrum, from Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, an independent
who describes himself as a Democratic socialist, to Sen. Mark Warner of
Virginia, who would prefer a budget that could draw bipartisan support.
"None of us are easy personalities, so I give her enormous credit for the
good work she's done," said Mr. Warner.
Ms. Murray said her early career as a preschool teacher prepared her well
for attempting to write the committee Democrats' first budget since 2009.
"If you can have 24 4-year-olds in your room and get them all to sit down
and sing the same song, you can do just about anything," she said in an
interview.
One of Mr. Ryan's first moves after returning to the House after the
November election was to ease concerns from conservatives over raising the
federal borrowing limit in January by pledging to craft a budget that
balances within a decade.
"I decided I'm going to make this one more try to make this budget process
work," said Mr. Ryan, who has five formal House budgets under his belt.
Despite their ideological disparities, both lawmakers point to early
personal difficulties that forged their views of government.
Ms. Murray was 15 when her father, a World War II veteran, was diagnosed
with multiple sclerosis. He lost his job, the family took food stamps and Ms
. Murray's mother, a homemaker, accepted government-funded job training. All
seven children went to college with the help of federal financial aid.
"My government was there," Ms. Murray said. "If we hadn't had that, I'm
positive none of us would have gone to college; some of us may not have
finished high school."
Mr. Ryan underwent similar family trauma growing up, but he emerged with a
starkly different view of government. His father died when he was only 16.
That experience fueled his sense of the importance of self reliance.
"We both came from a background that recognizes you need to have a safety
net," Mr. Ryan said. "But I see economic growth and economic opportunity as
the cornerstone."
Write to Janet Hook at j********[email protected] and Kristina Peterson at kristina.
p******[email protected]
u**c
发帖数: 17972
2
共和党这次宁肯大裁军费也要把联邦开支降下来的做法证明了他们比民主党强的多。

【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 看两党提出的budget,一个提出要深入改革medicare和medicaid,10年后彻底解决政府
: deficit的问题. 一个就是靠加税过日子,什么时候能解决政府deficit的问题? 不知道
: . 明显的就是kick the can down the street.
: 明显的共和党比民主党目光要远大的多.民主党就是得过且过,到最后就是象希腊那样想
: 过也过不了.
: Opening Budget Bids Set Parties' Battle Lines
: By JANET HOOK And KRISTINA PETERSON
: Congress opens a new chapter in the budget debate this week with the
: introduction of dueling blueprints from two lawmakers who illustrate their
: parties' vastly different approaches to the role of government.

m*********a
发帖数: 3299
3
medicare 和 social security和国债利息是美国人民和美国政府达成的协议(contract
)。按照正常的公司的话,协议是不能够改的。只要美国政府的财政收入能够支付,就
应该付。不想付或想改变的话,美国政府应该宣布破产,宣布所有债务作废。否则不能
改。
military spending 和其他的welfare不是协议规定的,可以降到零,可以完全砍完。
如果美国是一个法制的国家,按照协议法运行,先应该把military spending 和其他的
welfare砍到零之前,medicare 和social security 是一分也不用降的。

【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 看两党提出的budget,一个提出要深入改革medicare和medicaid,10年后彻底解决政府
: deficit的问题. 一个就是靠加税过日子,什么时候能解决政府deficit的问题? 不知道
: . 明显的就是kick the can down the street.
: 明显的共和党比民主党目光要远大的多.民主党就是得过且过,到最后就是象希腊那样想
: 过也过不了.
: Opening Budget Bids Set Parties' Battle Lines
: By JANET HOOK And KRISTINA PETERSON
: Congress opens a new chapter in the budget debate this week with the
: introduction of dueling blueprints from two lawmakers who illustrate their
: parties' vastly different approaches to the role of government.

b*x
发帖数: 5456
4
呵呵, medicare 和 social security早晚要倒闭的, 不如现在砍点, 这样我老了还
能拿几毛。 否则都给47%+非法移民大赦 用完了。

contract

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: medicare 和 social security和国债利息是美国人民和美国政府达成的协议(contract
: )。按照正常的公司的话,协议是不能够改的。只要美国政府的财政收入能够支付,就
: 应该付。不想付或想改变的话,美国政府应该宣布破产,宣布所有债务作废。否则不能
: 改。
: military spending 和其他的welfare不是协议规定的,可以降到零,可以完全砍完。
: 如果美国是一个法制的国家,按照协议法运行,先应该把military spending 和其他的
: welfare砍到零之前,medicare 和social security 是一分也不用降的。

b*******h
发帖数: 2585
5
可惜这个contract是基于绿纸头的, 我山姆大叔欠你的是FED印的文件。

contract

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: medicare 和 social security和国债利息是美国人民和美国政府达成的协议(contract
: )。按照正常的公司的话,协议是不能够改的。只要美国政府的财政收入能够支付,就
: 应该付。不想付或想改变的话,美国政府应该宣布破产,宣布所有债务作废。否则不能
: 改。
: military spending 和其他的welfare不是协议规定的,可以降到零,可以完全砍完。
: 如果美国是一个法制的国家,按照协议法运行,先应该把military spending 和其他的
: welfare砍到零之前,medicare 和social security 是一分也不用降的。

d*****s
发帖数: 5610
6
你说的是medicaid,不是medicare,现在无知的人太多。

【在 b*x 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵, medicare 和 social security早晚要倒闭的, 不如现在砍点, 这样我老了还
: 能拿几毛。 否则都给47%+非法移民大赦 用完了。
:
: contract

j*****v
发帖数: 7717
7
呵呵,你难道没有看每年social security寄给你信里的那行小字?

contract

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: medicare 和 social security和国债利息是美国人民和美国政府达成的协议(contract
: )。按照正常的公司的话,协议是不能够改的。只要美国政府的财政收入能够支付,就
: 应该付。不想付或想改变的话,美国政府应该宣布破产,宣布所有债务作废。否则不能
: 改。
: military spending 和其他的welfare不是协议规定的,可以降到零,可以完全砍完。
: 如果美国是一个法制的国家,按照协议法运行,先应该把military spending 和其他的
: welfare砍到零之前,medicare 和social security 是一分也不用降的。

p**j
发帖数: 7063
8
你的意思是现在应该全额支付,不应该有任何变通,只能等到你老了,要拿SS的时候,
突然宣布破产,你一分都拿不到,白白贡献才合理?

contract

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: medicare 和 social security和国债利息是美国人民和美国政府达成的协议(contract
: )。按照正常的公司的话,协议是不能够改的。只要美国政府的财政收入能够支付,就
: 应该付。不想付或想改变的话,美国政府应该宣布破产,宣布所有债务作废。否则不能
: 改。
: military spending 和其他的welfare不是协议规定的,可以降到零,可以完全砍完。
: 如果美国是一个法制的国家,按照协议法运行,先应该把military spending 和其他的
: welfare砍到零之前,medicare 和social security 是一分也不用降的。

d********e
发帖数: 2221
9
养果蝇养傻了吧。还是你本来就和果蝇一样无脑?
什么协议,那张纸上写着呢?还协议法呢?美国联邦法没有合同法。你想使用哪个州法?
国会只要不违宪,想怎么该怎么改。

contract

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: medicare 和 social security和国债利息是美国人民和美国政府达成的协议(contract
: )。按照正常的公司的话,协议是不能够改的。只要美国政府的财政收入能够支付,就
: 应该付。不想付或想改变的话,美国政府应该宣布破产,宣布所有债务作废。否则不能
: 改。
: military spending 和其他的welfare不是协议规定的,可以降到零,可以完全砍完。
: 如果美国是一个法制的国家,按照协议法运行,先应该把military spending 和其他的
: welfare砍到零之前,medicare 和social security 是一分也不用降的。

a**e
发帖数: 8800
10
还真没注意过。什么小字?

法?

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: 养果蝇养傻了吧。还是你本来就和果蝇一样无脑?
: 什么协议,那张纸上写着呢?还协议法呢?美国联邦法没有合同法。你想使用哪个州法?
: 国会只要不违宪,想怎么该怎么改。
:
: contract

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b*x
发帖数: 5456
11
你是真无知啊, 等30-40年后, 我要用SS和Medicare, 你以为还有? 都给冥猪党发
完了。
Medicad是近忧, medicare和SS是远虑。

【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】
: 你说的是medicaid,不是medicare,现在无知的人太多。
j*****v
发帖数: 7717
12
“... by 2037, the S.S. Trust Fund will be exhausted and there will be
enough money to pay only about 76 cents for each dollar of scheduled
benefits."
I am sure the number 2037 will get smaller in my next year's statement,
thanks to Obama's entitlement plan expansion.

【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 还真没注意过。什么小字?
:
: 法?

l*******g
发帖数: 27064
13
左棍一向就是大忽悠,只要能捞到好处,管你将来如何
所以历史上所有国家没落之前都会偏左,而且是持续偏左
m********g
发帖数: 10469
14
还是一条蛆还没有成苍蝇。

法?

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】
: 养果蝇养傻了吧。还是你本来就和果蝇一样无脑?
: 什么协议,那张纸上写着呢?还协议法呢?美国联邦法没有合同法。你想使用哪个州法?
: 国会只要不违宪,想怎么该怎么改。
:
: contract

c*****n
发帖数: 14445
15
可以举例吗?

【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 左棍一向就是大忽悠,只要能捞到好处,管你将来如何
: 所以历史上所有国家没落之前都会偏左,而且是持续偏左

a**e
发帖数: 8800
16

崇祯年可是彻底的“众正盈朝”啊。不管干什么那叫一个大义

【在 c*****n 的大作中提到】
: 可以举例吗?
l******g
发帖数: 6771
17
棍一向就是大忽悠,只要能捞到好处,管你将来如何
和左右无关,哈哈

【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 左棍一向就是大忽悠,只要能捞到好处,管你将来如何
: 所以历史上所有国家没落之前都会偏左,而且是持续偏左

t**x
发帖数: 20965
18
这他妈的太天真了,啥东西放那么多年能保存好?!关民主党屁事,任何政府国家都是
小偷,你让它们看当然看丢了,美国今天可不是只有一个民主党。。。
关键还是啥都靠自己,只收消费税,。。。等等。富人他妈的弄了两条狗,一个民主一
个共和,没有一个是好东西。

【在 b*x 的大作中提到】
: 你是真无知啊, 等30-40年后, 我要用SS和Medicare, 你以为还有? 都给冥猪党发
: 完了。
: Medicad是近忧, medicare和SS是远虑。

r*****t
发帖数: 2051
19
当我看到共和党开始考虑砍军费的时候,我对共和党有了无尽的好感~他们的削减赤字
更加严肃认真
不过我觉得美国的医疗体制有着巨大的问题,并不是这个账单谁来付的问题,而是这个
账单为毛这么高的问题;我觉得这个单靠市场是没法有效调节的

【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 看两党提出的budget,一个提出要深入改革medicare和medicaid,10年后彻底解决政府
: deficit的问题. 一个就是靠加税过日子,什么时候能解决政府deficit的问题? 不知道
: . 明显的就是kick the can down the street.
: 明显的共和党比民主党目光要远大的多.民主党就是得过且过,到最后就是象希腊那样想
: 过也过不了.
: Opening Budget Bids Set Parties' Battle Lines
: By JANET HOOK And KRISTINA PETERSON
: Congress opens a new chapter in the budget debate this week with the
: introduction of dueling blueprints from two lawmakers who illustrate their
: parties' vastly different approaches to the role of government.

r*****t
发帖数: 2051
20
我重新看了一下这篇, Ryan还是不减军费啊,那就都是扯淡。。。

【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 当我看到共和党开始考虑砍军费的时候,我对共和党有了无尽的好感~他们的削减赤字
: 更加严肃认真
: 不过我觉得美国的医疗体制有着巨大的问题,并不是这个账单谁来付的问题,而是这个
: 账单为毛这么高的问题;我觉得这个单靠市场是没法有效调节的

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