g******y
发帖数: 1101 | 1 一般的收入税，其实对富人来说太容易逃税了。资本所得税，和公司的海外利润才是大
头。可惜两党都不会动。 |
L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | 2 这个没有办法。
用钱投资赚的钱属于投资，用劳力练篮球上大学拚好的GPA回报的钱不属于投资所得。
那至少大学学费应该算用钱来投资吧？学费可是钱呀？学费也不算投资。这么说只有富
人才有投资的权利啦？这样一来不是说富人世世代代是富人，穷人永永远远是穷人啦？ |
g******y
发帖数: 1101 | 3
这个是大势，基本上现在的统计表明穷人都越来越难进入富裕阶层了。
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: 这个没有办法。
: 用钱投资赚的钱属于投资，用劳力练篮球上大学拚好的GPA回报的钱不属于投资所得。
: 那至少大学学费应该算用钱来投资吧？学费可是钱呀？学费也不算投资。这么说只有富
: 人才有投资的权利啦？这样一来不是说富人世世代代是富人，穷人永永远远是穷人啦？
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C****t
发帖数: 3813 | 4 要加的税， 就是这个
【在 g******y 的大作中提到】
: 一般的收入税，其实对富人来说太容易逃税了。资本所得税，和公司的海外利润才是大
: 头。可惜两党都不会动。
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L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | 5 林书豪可以。
可惜他的全部所得都是收入，他小子差点把腿给整断了成残废地打球和这么多年的苦练
都不算投资。
【在 g******y 的大作中提到】
:
: 这个是大势，基本上现在的统计表明穷人都越来越难进入富裕阶层了。
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e***s
发帖数: 1188 | 6 实业资本投资税不变，金融资本投资加重税。本来就该这么办
【在 g******y 的大作中提到】
: 一般的收入税，其实对富人来说太容易逃税了。资本所得税，和公司的海外利润才是大
: 头。可惜两党都不会动。
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t***h
发帖数: 5601 | 7 capital gain and dividend?
【在 C****t 的大作中提到】
: 要加的税， 就是这个
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d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 8 long term capital gain, 15% -> 20%
dividend -> normal income tax rate
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】
: capital gain and dividend?
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B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 9 胡扯淡，你加capital gain tax就是discourage investment. 那些venture capital和
hedge fund投资startup都是冒着巨大的风险的，你给人家return一低人家不invest所
有的startup都玩完。 |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 10 你就是属于不懂税务和经济的这种, 然后开始瞎掰. 全部都是一厢情愿的想法.
海外利润? 现在的税法是美国公司的海外利润如果不进美国就不收美国税率和外国税率
的差额.美国税通常都比外国税率高,所以这些公司都不把海外利润返回美国.
当初疤蟆曾经说要取消这个法规,海外利润也马上交美国税, 和你的想法差不多.
结果你知道造成什么影响嘛? 就是美国公司到海外去注册了,然后那些海外利润就和美
国政府没有什么关系了. 我当时在的那个公司原来在北卡的,听到这个消息马上去爱尔
兰注册了. 要让公司把这些钱返回来,最根本的就是要降低美国公司的税率.
【在 g******y 的大作中提到】
: 一般的收入税，其实对富人来说太容易逃税了。资本所得税，和公司的海外利润才是大
: 头。可惜两党都不会动。
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h*******u
发帖数: 15326 | 11 跟左棍没啥说的，狗屁都不懂脑壳里就一坨s**t.
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 胡扯淡，你加capital gain tax就是discourage investment. 那些venture capital和
: hedge fund投资startup都是冒着巨大的风险的，你给人家return一低人家不invest所
: 有的startup都玩完。
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l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 12
Bush时期给capital gain减税，现在Obama要把capital gain tax恢复到Clinton时期。
莫非Clinton时期VC都没有投资startup的？Clinton时期高科技公司都完蛋了？Bush时
期是高科技的黄金时期，远胜Clinton？
脑残也要有底线好不好？
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 胡扯淡，你加capital gain tax就是discourage investment. 那些venture capital和
: hedge fund投资startup都是冒着巨大的风险的，你给人家return一低人家不invest所
: 有的startup都玩完。
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m********7
发帖数: 841 | 13 大家的retirement 大多数也是投资的股票。
到时候收资本税是一样的，不要以为于己无关。
另外很多投资股票的钱其实已经刚交过income tax。
很多国家资本税是很低的，就是为了鼓励投资。
举几个例子，
新加坡： 资本税为0
South Korea
For individuals holding less than 3% of listed company, there is only 0.3%
trade tax for sales of shares. Exchange traded funds are exempt from any
trade tax. For larger than 3% shareholders of listed companies or for sales
of shares in any unlisted company, capital gains tax in South Korea is 11%
for tax residents for sales of shares in small- and medium-sized companies.
Rates of 22% and 33% apply in certain other situations.[19] Those who have
been resident in Korea for less than five years are exempt from capital
gains tax on foreign assets.[20]
Hong Kong
In general Hong Kong has no capital gains tax.
当然，也有很多国家的税率很高。
在这一点上，我看还是注重成效更靠谱。阶级斗争斗富人也不会把整个蛋糕斗大的。 |
m********7
发帖数: 841 | 14 大家的retirement 大多数也是投资的股票。
到时候收资本税是一样的，不要以为于己无关。
另外很多投资股票的钱其实已经刚交过income tax。
很多国家资本税是很低的，就是为了鼓励投资。
举几个例子，
新加坡： 资本税为0
South Korea
For individuals holding less than 3% of listed company, there is only 0.3%
trade tax for sales of shares. Exchange traded funds are exempt from any
trade tax. For larger than 3% shareholders of listed companies or for sales
of shares in any unlisted company, capital gains tax in South Korea is 11%
for tax residents for sales of shares in small- and medium-sized companies.
Rates of 22% and 33% apply in certain other situations.[19] Those who have
been resident in Korea for less than five years are exempt from capital
gains tax on foreign assets.[20]
Hong Kong
In general Hong Kong has no capital gains tax.
当然，也有很多国家的税率很高。
在这一点上，我看还是注重成效更靠谱。阶级斗争斗富人也不会把整个蛋糕斗大的。 |
m********7
发帖数: 841 | 15 大家的retirement 大多数也是投资的股票。
到时候收资本税是一样的，不要以为于己无关。
另外很多投资股票的钱其实已经刚交过income tax。
很多国家资本税是很低的，就是为了鼓励投资。
举几个例子，
新加坡： 资本税为0
South Korea
For individuals holding less than 3% of listed company, there is only 0.3%
trade tax for sales of shares. Exchange traded funds are exempt from any
trade tax. For larger than 3% shareholders of listed companies or for sales
of shares in any unlisted company, capital gains tax in South Korea is 11%
for tax residents for sales of shares in small- and medium-sized companies.
Rates of 22% and 33% apply in certain other situations.[19] Those who have
been resident in Korea for less than five years are exempt from capital
gains tax on foreign assets.[20]
Hong Kong
In general Hong Kong has no capital gains tax.
当然，也有很多国家的税率很高。
在这一点上，我看还是注重成效更靠谱。阶级斗争斗富人也不会把整个蛋糕斗大的。 |
B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 16 你这人理解能力有限，我说increase capital gain tax会decrease number of start-
ups，难道说减到零了吗？还有说什么黄金时期你也要有个definition好吧，别的不说
facebook这个IPO value最高的technical firm就是在Bush时期create的。
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
:
: Bush时期给capital gain减税，现在Obama要把capital gain tax恢复到Clinton时期。
: 莫非Clinton时期VC都没有投资startup的？Clinton时期高科技公司都完蛋了？Bush时
: 期是高科技的黄金时期，远胜Clinton？
: 脑残也要有底线好不好？
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y******n
发帖数: 8667 | 17 对有风险的投资增税? 投资如果赔了的话，政府给不给补偿啊？
那些是棍睡醒了吗？ |
G*****9
发帖数: 3225 | 18 An increase in 实业资本投资's return , with a decrease in 金融资本投资's
return is the goal. Given the current situation, this will lead to a
healthier economy, because 实业 creates more jobs and more demands than 金融
业 does. However, whether 实业资本投资税不变 and 金融资本投资加重税 is the
right means is highly debatable.
【在 e***s 的大作中提到】
: 实业资本投资税不变，金融资本投资加重税。本来就该这么办
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f*****e
发帖数: 5177 | 19 经济学上认为，应该Tax income而不是tax revenue。
因为corporate revenue是用来扩大再生产的。
【在 g******y 的大作中提到】
: 一般的收入税，其实对富人来说太容易逃税了。资本所得税，和公司的海外利润才是大
: 头。可惜两党都不会动。
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B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 20 Totally bullshit. Financial sector helps an economy grow by matching capital
providers with capital seekers. Without financial sector an economy is not
going to grow and innovate.
【在 G*****9 的大作中提到】
: An increase in 实业资本投资's return , with a decrease in 金融资本投资's
: return is the goal. Given the current situation, this will lead to a
: healthier economy, because 实业 creates more jobs and more demands than 金融
: 业 does. However, whether 实业资本投资税不变 and 金融资本投资加重税 is the
: right means is highly debatable.
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G*****9
发帖数: 3225 | 21 Sorry, I am not talking about shrinking the financial industry down to zero.
Financial industry is the heart of capitalism and no real economy will
thrive without a healthy financial industry.
The point here is that the derivatives volume is way too big. With the
current situation, financial market does more gambling than resource
allocation. If the economy relies too much on using money to make money,
then the investment on the real economy part will naturally go down. Real
economy, however, creates the blood, the reason for the financial sector to
exist. If this trend keeps going, it can be expected that the financial
industry will finally kill itself, too.
Ideally, finance best allocates money to the real economy, resulting in a
stronger body and a stronger heart. But a huge financial derivative market
consumes the nutrition that is supposed to go to the real economy part -- it
is a tumor growing on the heart! I see no reason to keep it grow even
further.
If you are working in finance or economics, you should have noticed that the
brightest brains of the US mainly swarmed to the wall street in the past
thirty years. From this perspective, the gain in the financial market is the
loss of the real economy. It is time to bring a more balanced economy back.
Remember, the golden age in the states occurred when the economy is more
balanced.
Personally, I respect corp finance a lot, while I strongly dislike asset
pricing stuff. As an engineering guy, I sit in a couple of financial
engineering and quantitative finance courses. It really surprised me that
the talented guys exert brains to create derivatives, instead of creating
better products and services that can really make this society better. As a
comparison, guys in Biomedical Engineering are trying to find out better
ways to diagnose and cure diseases at a lower cost. This makes much more
sense. I may be wrong. But an economy encouraging more innovation in the
virtue stuff than real stuff, in my eyes, is not healthy.
capital
not
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: Totally bullshit. Financial sector helps an economy grow by matching capital
: providers with capital seekers. Without financial sector an economy is not
: going to grow and innovate.
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B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 22 Derivatives are generated to hedge risk and this benefit let firms make
better decisions.
zero.
to
【在 G*****9 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, I am not talking about shrinking the financial industry down to zero.
: Financial industry is the heart of capitalism and no real economy will
: thrive without a healthy financial industry.
: The point here is that the derivatives volume is way too big. With the
: current situation, financial market does more gambling than resource
: allocation. If the economy relies too much on using money to make money,
: then the investment on the real economy part will naturally go down. Real
: economy, however, creates the blood, the reason for the financial sector to
: exist. If this trend keeps going, it can be expected that the financial
: industry will finally kill itself, too.
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G*****9
发帖数: 3225 | 23 Well, opium also helps health if the dose is appropriate. But if you consume
too much, that could be a big problem. Derivatives are created to hedge
against risks for individual firms, but when it is abused, the whole system
suffers a much higher risk. A simple fact is that the current total value of
financial derivatives is several times higher than real products. This is a
big problem.
2008 crisis is a solid evidence of this problem and every tax payer bury the
bill for this problem -- don't tell me that the government shouldn't save
the financial sector. There are a couple of times in the US history, in
which the whole society become exciting in speculation and gambling, with
each followed by a disaster. If gambling games should be restricted, why
shouldn't a gambling-oriented financial sector be?
When business goes complicated, the government should impose more
regulations. Government in the ancient times did not regulate guns, because
there was no gun at all. Now, even in the states, we are not given the right
to carry guns and fire at will. If there is a system that connects everone
in this world and may potentially destroy everyone's fortune and happiness,
then it should be firmly regulated by the government. It is not about an
issue of small government or big government; it is simply the government's
duty that should have been done 10 years ago.
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: Derivatives are generated to hedge risk and this benefit let firms make
: better decisions.
:
: zero.
: to
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D*******1
发帖数: 11303 | 24 赞成这个。
咱不懂经济，不知道是否可以收个人所得税但不收企业盈利税。换句话说，企业盈利只
有分到个人头上时才征税。觉得这样一可以鼓励企业再投资，二可以避免对投资收入双
重征税。
【在 f*****e 的大作中提到】
: 经济学上认为，应该Tax income而不是tax revenue。
: 因为corporate revenue是用来扩大再生产的。
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p***i
发帖数: 2119 | 25 讚一個。總算遇上一個講理的。
consume
system
of
a
the
【在 G*****9 的大作中提到】
: Well, opium also helps health if the dose is appropriate. But if you consume
: too much, that could be a big problem. Derivatives are created to hedge
: against risks for individual firms, but when it is abused, the whole system
: suffers a much higher risk. A simple fact is that the current total value of
: financial derivatives is several times higher than real products. This is a
: big problem.
: 2008 crisis is a solid evidence of this problem and every tax payer bury the
: bill for this problem -- don't tell me that the government shouldn't save
: the financial sector. There are a couple of times in the US history, in
: which the whole society become exciting in speculation and gambling, with
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