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USANews版 - 说说我为啥选OBAMA: 只为OBAMACARE
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p********a
发帖数: 761
1
至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
花在医保上。
每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
you see doctor for any disease)
一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。
BECAUSE IN CASE I LOST JOB, AT LEAST I CAN BUY MEDICAL INSURANCE ACCORDINGLY
(for instance, IF MY FAMILY MADE $20000/YEAR, FREE, IF $30000/YEAR, CLOSE
TO FREE, IF $
40000/YEAR, ABOUT $200 /MOONTH PER FAMILY, IF $50000, MAYBE $400/MONG PER
FAMILY, )
I WANT TO HAVE A JOB, BUT HOW CAN I GUARANTEE MY JOB IF I AM GETTING OLD.
SO AT LEAST I CAN AFFORD TO BUY WITHOUT LOSING ALL MY ASSET PLUS SAVING.
IF ROMMEY , THE OBAMACARE WILL BE GONE, AND I MAYBE FACE PAY VERY HIGH
INSURANCE (FULL REGUALR AMOUNT WITHOUT FEDERAL CREDIT). I WILL LOSE ALL MY
SAVING VERY QUICKLY SINCE I AM JUST A MIDDLE CLASS FAMILY.
SO ONLY FOR THIS POINT, I VOTE FOR OBAMA.
s*********r
发帖数: 9493
2
赞大写字母!
s**********e
发帖数: 2888
3
民主党的政策,按照推理,就是:
提供大量的社会福利,尽量搞坏经济,这样越来越多的人只有靠政府的福利,永远投民
主党的票。
f*******7
发帖数: 2210
4
楼主,如果Romney当了总统,他的医改政策更好些,看看麻州就知道了,有时候空话谁
都会说,干事情的时候就是另外一回事情了。
p********a
发帖数: 761
5
If Romney, I can live better but I have chance to live miserably.
if OBama, at least I can live with some dignity
p********a
发帖数: 761
6
能具体点吗?

【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】
: 楼主,如果Romney当了总统,他的医改政策更好些,看看麻州就知道了,有时候空话谁
: 都会说,干事情的时候就是另外一回事情了。

I***e
发帖数: 1136
7
What dignity you have when you are on government pay roll borrowing from
your children's generation? Wake up!

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: If Romney, I can live better but I have chance to live miserably.
: if OBama, at least I can live with some dignity

n******e
发帖数: 43
8
Dignity is earned, not given.
Government does not create money and wealth.It is funded by tax paid by
others. It is a transfer. One should appreciate help from others, but you
cannot depend on others and demand help. It is not a privilege.
y****t
发帖数: 10233
9
Dont worry you will have suicidal pill free from the government

if

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

p********a
发帖数: 761
10
When I am working, I pay tax for everything
I am immigrant, I want to work until the last moment of my die with my
knowledge and education.
But, as an immigrant, I might not be the very successful person, I might
lost job because of recession, my age, my career field....
I also have savings when working to keep good life, but do you think I have
to use all my saving just for family medicare purchase without federal
credit....
USA have most expensive medical bill in the world, if you don't have
employer-supported insurance,you can't image, how about if I don't have the
career like very succeffuly person...
OBAMACARE is for poor people, is also for low income middle class
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y****t
发帖数: 10233
11
There is no money to pay for it. Collapse is the only way to end it.
You look at the history, and you look around world.

have
the

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: When I am working, I pay tax for everything
: I am immigrant, I want to work until the last moment of my die with my
: knowledge and education.
: But, as an immigrant, I might not be the very successful person, I might
: lost job because of recession, my age, my career field....
: I also have savings when working to keep good life, but do you think I have
: to use all my saving just for family medicare purchase without federal
: credit....
: USA have most expensive medical bill in the world, if you don't have
: employer-supported insurance,you can't image, how about if I don't have the

p********a
发帖数: 761
12
USA is the only one country without medical cover for all nation.
EVEN CHina is have measurement to prevent people from catastrophe if you are
heavily sick.
USA : see a doctor for nothing, you will pay $300 or more
ANy CT or Coloscopy.. you will pay $900 to $6000
how much do you have , my american immigrant...
Obamacare will help you
this is my answer

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: There is no money to pay for it. Collapse is the only way to end it.
: You look at the history, and you look around world.
:
: have
: the

y****t
发帖数: 10233
13
Obamacare tax is no difference than medicare tax. Ponzi scheme runing short
and it will be busted sooner rather than later

are

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: USA is the only one country without medical cover for all nation.
: EVEN CHina is have measurement to prevent people from catastrophe if you are
: heavily sick.
: USA : see a doctor for nothing, you will pay $300 or more
: ANy CT or Coloscopy.. you will pay $900 to $6000
: how much do you have , my american immigrant...
: Obamacare will help you
: this is my answer

p********a
发帖数: 761
14
I am talking about OBAMACARE, tax is another issue.
you can compare usa medical with ALL develop contries

short

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Obamacare tax is no difference than medicare tax. Ponzi scheme runing short
: and it will be busted sooner rather than later
:
: are

y****t
发帖数: 10233
15
What are you talking about.
Obamacare is tax.
T A X 在 presbyopia (Good Luck) 的大作中提到: 】
p********a
发帖数: 761
16
Obamacare is for poor and middle calss
Rommey is for rich and successful people
I vote for Obama for sure

【在 s**********e 的大作中提到】
: 民主党的政策,按照推理,就是:
: 提供大量的社会福利,尽量搞坏经济,这样越来越多的人只有靠政府的福利,永远投民
: 主党的票。

y****t
发帖数: 10233
17
Middle class is paying a premium for obamacare. They are the true victims

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: Obamacare is for poor and middle calss
: Rommey is for rich and successful people
: I vote for Obama for sure

p********a
发帖数: 761
18
Why usa can't like Canada, Europe and Japan to make some more coverage on
medical.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: What are you talking about.
: Obamacare is tax.
: T A X 在 presbyopia (Good Luck) 的大作中提到: 】

y****t
发帖数: 10233
19
Europe?
Honey, wake up!

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: Why usa can't like Canada, Europe and Japan to make some more coverage on
: medical.

p********a
发帖数: 761
20
I am still having work, I would like to pay some extra (not too much) to
help to cover more medical ---
THink about if you and your spouse lose job lose job at same time, and you
have some saving ---not too rich saving of course.
your medical bill will make your poor---bankruptcy, and than you still
need the medicaid--- finally, no more middle class with any dignity

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Middle class is paying a premium for obamacare. They are the true victims
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p********a
发帖数: 761
21
at least Germany, a very good country, have very good medical covery

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Europe?
: Honey, wake up!

p********a
发帖数: 761
22
see another chinese american's response:
发信人: trichloride (RubberCandy), 信区: USANews
标 题: 当你五十岁有慢性病,又被解雇了,怎么办?罗姆尼会说
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 5 03:14:16 2012, 美东)
Sorry, tough luck. 破产吧。等死吧。
只有奥巴马医改才能让你不因此倾家荡产。

【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】
: 楼主,如果Romney当了总统,他的医改政策更好些,看看麻州就知道了,有时候空话谁
: 都会说,干事情的时候就是另外一回事情了。

d********g
发帖数: 7458
23
美国医疗最大的问题是拥有世界上独一无二的高医护收入,高诉讼金额,高保险成本,
高资源浪费,高扯皮成本。
不改上面这些,obamacare必然要破产。拿其他国家说事儿没意义。

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: at least Germany, a very good country, have very good medical covery
y****t
发帖数: 10233
24
Greeks are even better.

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: at least Germany, a very good country, have very good medical covery
p********a
发帖数: 761
25
I agree with you absolutely,
but at least I can see some hope from Obamacare to protect me from
bankruptcy

【在 d********g 的大作中提到】
: 美国医疗最大的问题是拥有世界上独一无二的高医护收入,高诉讼金额,高保险成本,
: 高资源浪费,高扯皮成本。
: 不改上面这些,obamacare必然要破产。拿其他国家说事儿没意义。

y****t
发帖数: 10233
26
How?

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: I agree with you absolutely,
: but at least I can see some hope from Obamacare to protect me from
: bankruptcy

p********a
发帖数: 761
27
buddy,
Greece is not tanked in economy compared to German and USA

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Greeks are even better.
y****t
发帖数: 10233
28
Right north korea is your role model

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: buddy,
: Greece is not tanked in economy compared to German and USA

p********a
发帖数: 761
29
same answer from another CHinese american:
发信人: trichloride (RubberCandy), 信区: USANews
标 题: 当你五十岁有慢性病,又被解雇了,怎么办?罗姆尼会说
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 5 03:14:16 2012, 美东)
Sorry, tough luck. 破产吧。等死吧。
只有奥巴马医改才能让你不因此倾家荡产。

----------------
use some of saving to buy medical insurance with federal fredit help.
you can still have good life if you can save some while you had job before
unemployment

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: How?
p********a
发帖数: 761
30
but USA will provide more opportunity if medical solved first

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Right north korea is your role model
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p********a
发帖数: 761
31
if it is very hard to change,
so make some change we can
Obama did this

【在 d********g 的大作中提到】
: 美国医疗最大的问题是拥有世界上独一无二的高医护收入,高诉讼金额,高保险成本,
: 高资源浪费,高扯皮成本。
: 不改上面这些,obamacare必然要破产。拿其他国家说事儿没意义。

y****t
发帖数: 10233
32
Let's change obama, your logic

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: if it is very hard to change,
: so make some change we can
: Obama did this

p********a
发帖数: 761
33
buddy, I mean, let's support Obama, at least you can make any business
without
worry about the horrible medical nightmare (sicen you can afford the
insurance with youself under federal credit help.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Let's change obama, your logic
y****t
发帖数: 10233
34
Why? US is not going foward with obama. Even bush did better job than obama.
Time to change

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: buddy, I mean, let's support Obama, at least you can make any business
: without
: worry about the horrible medical nightmare (sicen you can afford the
: insurance with youself under federal credit help.

p********a
发帖数: 761
35
Trust me, buddy, I have made some census recently,
all african ameican will vote for Obama (20% usa vote)
All Mexic , other american like asin american and at least more than half
asian (except the hight paid asian) will vote for Abama (about 20%
White middle class will vote for obama (20-30%)
I ask for a white make in my work place, you will vote for obama even he is
not poor.
So obamma will win for sure

obama.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Why? US is not going foward with obama. Even bush did better job than obama.
: Time to change

P*********0
发帖数: 4321
36
Are you day dreaming?
Romney didn't even credit himself for his Romneycare.

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.3

【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】
: 楼主,如果Romney当了总统,他的医改政策更好些,看看麻州就知道了,有时候空话谁
: 都会说,干事情的时候就是另外一回事情了。

p********a
发帖数: 761
37
Romney is just a cheater, in my white collegue's words.
c********s
发帖数: 93
38
But Obamacare might not pass as you wish
c********s
发帖数: 93
39
yes, middle class is suffering

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Middle class is paying a premium for obamacare. They are the true victims
c********s
发帖数: 93
40
not always,
at least my family is much better than 4 years ago

【在 s**********e 的大作中提到】
: 民主党的政策,按照推理,就是:
: 提供大量的社会福利,尽量搞坏经济,这样越来越多的人只有靠政府的福利,永远投民
: 主党的票。

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m**********e
发帖数: 1045
41
完全同意

if

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

K******S
发帖数: 10109
42
again, nothing is free. You have to ask yourself, who pays for o8m care?
My employer already increased insurance premium to make preparation for
government regulations and o8mcare won't take full actions until 2014. It's
a tax increase after all. For ppl living on government cheese, s/he surely
doesn't care because s/he doesn't pay a dime.

if

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

p****e
发帖数: 117
43
支持!Obama是为普通人着想的好总统!就是很崇拜他!绝对的偶像!

if

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

p********a
发帖数: 761
44
How about you and your spouse lose job suddenly, and you have some decent
middle class savings, and romney's medical insurance will make you
unafforadable
in that case, who do you vote for

s

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: again, nothing is free. You have to ask yourself, who pays for o8m care?
: My employer already increased insurance premium to make preparation for
: government regulations and o8mcare won't take full actions until 2014. It's
: a tax increase after all. For ppl living on government cheese, s/he surely
: doesn't care because s/he doesn't pay a dime.
:
: if

p********a
发帖数: 761
45
buddy you are the man who is brilliant

【在 p****e 的大作中提到】
: 支持!Obama是为普通人着想的好总统!就是很崇拜他!绝对的偶像!
:
: if

y****t
发帖数: 10233
46
why you still dont get it!
the problem for healthcare is the cost is too high!!! not because you dont
have insurance.
why cost is too high?
ask the regulations, ask the lawyers, ask doctors how much insurance they
have to pay to cover their practice ...
obama never intended to solve these problem, but ask us to pay more into it,
now the question is,
who is gonna pay for it?

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: How about you and your spouse lose job suddenly, and you have some decent
: middle class savings, and romney's medical insurance will make you
: unafforadable
: in that case, who do you vote for
:
: s

K******S
发帖数: 10109
47
first of all, how do you know Romney's medical insurance is not affordable?
second, I'm much much more concerned about tax increase than losing my job.
Most important of all, O8Mcare is not affordable for the whole country.
Small business can't afford it and it will eventually collapse the whole
system. Where will you go when the whole healthcare system collapses?
Have you read the details of the bill?
Someone already figured out the best way (money saving) when it's in action:
don't buy any insurance and pay the fine each year (very small amount),
only buy insurance when they need major medical attention (no pre-existing
condition limitation), think about that? That action alone will bankrupt the
whole system.

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: How about you and your spouse lose job suddenly, and you have some decent
: middle class savings, and romney's medical insurance will make you
: unafforadable
: in that case, who do you vote for
:
: s

p********a
发帖数: 761
48
buddy, we realize it, we wish Obama can change it, or romney can do?
if taking time to make this change (make cost cheap), we can make afforable
care first.
Only Obama did it and success.
Bill Clinton, Bush, even don't think about it to change it!!!

it,

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why you still dont get it!
: the problem for healthcare is the cost is too high!!! not because you dont
: have insurance.
: why cost is too high?
: ask the regulations, ask the lawyers, ask doctors how much insurance they
: have to pay to cover their practice ...
: obama never intended to solve these problem, but ask us to pay more into it,
: now the question is,
: who is gonna pay for it?

K******S
发帖数: 10109
49
because they are sane enough to know the country can't afford it.

afforable

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: buddy, we realize it, we wish Obama can change it, or romney can do?
: if taking time to make this change (make cost cheap), we can make afforable
: care first.
: Only Obama did it and success.
: Bill Clinton, Bush, even don't think about it to change it!!!
:
: it,

y****t
发帖数: 10233
50
if you can not improve it, dont make it worse. please.
obamacare just makes everything worse.

afforable

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: buddy, we realize it, we wish Obama can change it, or romney can do?
: if taking time to make this change (make cost cheap), we can make afforable
: care first.
: Only Obama did it and success.
: Bill Clinton, Bush, even don't think about it to change it!!!
:
: it,

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p********a
发帖数: 761
51
Romney just want to kill obamacare
and he has no any plan to medical change

?
.
action:
the

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: first of all, how do you know Romney's medical insurance is not affordable?
: second, I'm much much more concerned about tax increase than losing my job.
: Most important of all, O8Mcare is not affordable for the whole country.
: Small business can't afford it and it will eventually collapse the whole
: system. Where will you go when the whole healthcare system collapses?
: Have you read the details of the bill?
: Someone already figured out the best way (money saving) when it's in action:
: don't buy any insurance and pay the fine each year (very small amount),
: only buy insurance when they need major medical attention (no pre-existing
: condition limitation), think about that? That action alone will bankrupt the

y****t
发帖数: 10233
52
paul ryan has.

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: Romney just want to kill obamacare
: and he has no any plan to medical change
:
: ?
: .
: action:
: the

p********a
发帖数: 761
53
that's why he -obama did sth he can do
--------obamacare

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: because they are sane enough to know the country can't afford it.
:
: afforable

K******S
发帖数: 10109
54
even some of his own party members want to kill O8MCARE.

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: Romney just want to kill obamacare
: and he has no any plan to medical change
:
: ?
: .
: action:
: the

p********a
发帖数: 761
55
but the bill has passed the law and will be completely started by 2014-2016

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: even some of his own party members want to kill O8MCARE.
t*********e
发帖数: 1136
56
说ObamaCare会让美国破产也是共和党的无耻谎言。
美国的医疗费用占GDP的比重现在就一直很高,超出很多西欧国家。这是现在。和
ObamaCare无关。西欧国家统统都实现了全民健保。连台湾也实现了全民健保。为什么
它们医疗开支占GDP的比重不比美国高?
医疗费用高是效率问题。事实证明现有的医疗体系效率一直很差。
R***U
发帖数: 1860
57
这样搞下去10年内国家先破产了,别以为SSN,医保真的能挺到你需要的那一天。

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

p********a
发帖数: 761
58
The obamacare will give you some buffering in case of worst scenaria

【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 说ObamaCare会让美国破产也是共和党的无耻谎言。
: 美国的医疗费用占GDP的比重现在就一直很高,超出很多西欧国家。这是现在。和
: ObamaCare无关。西欧国家统统都实现了全民健保。连台湾也实现了全民健保。为什么
: 它们医疗开支占GDP的比重不比美国高?
: 医疗费用高是效率问题。事实证明现有的医疗体系效率一直很差。

N********n
发帖数: 8363
59

hoho, 做梦。等你50岁时这些福利早把财政拖垮了。希腊垮台前福利咋样?
加州破产前福利又怎么样?你们这些LIBTARD就是一群不会算帐的的NC,以
为天下有花不完的钱。现在疤蟆的大福利庞式骗局就是忽悠你,能从你腰
包里掏多少算多少,掏光了就像希腊一样破产,你50岁时的福利就跟现在
破产后的希腊福利一样。

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: The obamacare will give you some buffering in case of worst scenaria
p********a
发帖数: 761
60
In this case. there is no benefit for all the usa people
let's be fair, no matter poor or rich

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: hoho, 做梦。等你50岁时这些福利早把财政拖垮了。希腊垮台前福利咋样?
: 加州破产前福利又怎么样?你们这些LIBTARD就是一群不会算帐的的NC,以
: 为天下有花不完的钱。现在疤蟆的大福利庞式骗局就是忽悠你,能从你腰
: 包里掏多少算多少,掏光了就像希腊一样破产,你50岁时的福利就跟现在
: 破产后的希腊福利一样。

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N********n
发帖数: 8363
61

That case is the only possible outcome of how every big government
welfare state ends up with, which is why it's very dumb of to pay
into a system while knowing there is no benefit coming back.
You are the ideal target of these big government thieves who have
run out of fools to loot nowadays.

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: In this case. there is no benefit for all the usa people
: let's be fair, no matter poor or rich

p********a
发帖数: 761
62
that's the reason I want the change first,
then we we see what will happen in future.
at least there is obamacare to protect from catastrophe

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: That case is the only possible outcome of how every big government
: welfare state ends up with, which is why it's very dumb of to pay
: into a system while knowing there is no benefit coming back.
: You are the ideal target of these big government thieves who have
: run out of fools to loot nowadays.

e***s
发帖数: 1397
63
Parasites living off other people's hand-out never get dignity.

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: If Romney, I can live better but I have chance to live miserably.
: if OBama, at least I can live with some dignity

m*******n
发帖数: 519
64
不同年龄的人,想法理念都不同,这点完全可以理解。本人96年来美国,读书、找工作
、办身份,酸甜苦辣都尝过。现在四十不惑,完全理解楼主的观点。如果家里夫妻都工
作,一个人失业,可以加到另一方的health care plan,那么你就不用care how much
COBRA cost。如果家里老婆不工作,又有孩子,那么你每月的COBRA 比整张
unemployment benefit check 还高得多,怎么办,要吃饭还是看病,答案明摆着吧?
如果家里有谁有pre-existing condition,那么没有那个insurance company 会cover
你,再找工作,新的保险也不cover pre-existing condition.
当你年轻的时候,刚毕业,即使没有工作,身体好,都不会想到医疗保险的重要性,到
了岁数,就由不得你了。政府办事情肯定是效率低些,浪费多些,但是Health Care 政
府国家不搞,私人企业谁能搞得起来。这些年的医疗保险的copay涨了又涨,再涨下去
,公司也都负担不起,把老员工都裁掉,公司开到海外,不管health care,工作外包
了,失业率照样高居不下,Romney的Bain Capital 玩的就是这招。
没啥好说的,美国人投票的年龄中老年居多,谁的政策对他们的胃口,谁当选。美
国已经是债台高筑了,谁也不指望老美能还得上,能还利息,就接着玩呗,钱花在
Obama Care上,总比打仗丢炸弹强。
p********a
发帖数: 761
65
I am not parasites, and I want to keep work until the day of my death to
make my contribution to new country.
I have worked so many years and keep paying all the tax and medicare,
and I am proud of my contribution of tax and something else.
and I will do my best to avoid losing job so that I can get the employment
covered health care for my family.
But in case of economy ressesion, I have to choose which president is good
foe me:
so the answer is obvious: OBAMA who at least think to protect the so many
years worked USA people.
In the end, maybe you---大宗师 will get help from federal credit because of
buying health insurance due to layoff

【在 e***s 的大作中提到】
: Parasites living off other people's hand-out never get dignity.
c********s
发帖数: 93
66
I am close to 50 years
and it is really goods news for protection in case of job market recession

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: see another chinese american's response:
: 发信人: trichloride (RubberCandy), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: 当你五十岁有慢性病,又被解雇了,怎么办?罗姆尼会说
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 5 03:14:16 2012, 美东)
: Sorry, tough luck. 破产吧。等死吧。
: 只有奥巴马医改才能让你不因此倾家荡产。

c********s
发帖数: 93
67
exactly you are right.

much
cover

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 不同年龄的人,想法理念都不同,这点完全可以理解。本人96年来美国,读书、找工作
: 、办身份,酸甜苦辣都尝过。现在四十不惑,完全理解楼主的观点。如果家里夫妻都工
: 作,一个人失业,可以加到另一方的health care plan,那么你就不用care how much
: COBRA cost。如果家里老婆不工作,又有孩子,那么你每月的COBRA 比整张
: unemployment benefit check 还高得多,怎么办,要吃饭还是看病,答案明摆着吧?
: 如果家里有谁有pre-existing condition,那么没有那个insurance company 会cover
: 你,再找工作,新的保险也不cover pre-existing condition.
: 当你年轻的时候,刚毕业,即使没有工作,身体好,都不会想到医疗保险的重要性,到
: 了岁数,就由不得你了。政府办事情肯定是效率低些,浪费多些,但是Health Care 政
: 府国家不搞,私人企业谁能搞得起来。这些年的医疗保险的copay涨了又涨,再涨下去

p********a
发帖数: 761
68
就是,
钱花在
Obama Care上,总比打仗丢炸弹强。

much
cover

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 不同年龄的人,想法理念都不同,这点完全可以理解。本人96年来美国,读书、找工作
: 、办身份,酸甜苦辣都尝过。现在四十不惑,完全理解楼主的观点。如果家里夫妻都工
: 作,一个人失业,可以加到另一方的health care plan,那么你就不用care how much
: COBRA cost。如果家里老婆不工作,又有孩子,那么你每月的COBRA 比整张
: unemployment benefit check 还高得多,怎么办,要吃饭还是看病,答案明摆着吧?
: 如果家里有谁有pre-existing condition,那么没有那个insurance company 会cover
: 你,再找工作,新的保险也不cover pre-existing condition.
: 当你年轻的时候,刚毕业,即使没有工作,身体好,都不会想到医疗保险的重要性,到
: 了岁数,就由不得你了。政府办事情肯定是效率低些,浪费多些,但是Health Care 政
: 府国家不搞,私人企业谁能搞得起来。这些年的医疗保险的copay涨了又涨,再涨下去

y****t
发帖数: 10233
69
狗屁.
打仗了,好歹还长点硬功夫.
obamacare纯粹是喂猪了.

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 就是,
: 钱花在
: Obama Care上,总比打仗丢炸弹强。
:
: much
: cover

p********a
发帖数: 761
70
参看另外一个网友的帖子:
发信人: trichloride (RubberCandy), 信区: USANews
标 题: 德国11%,英国9%,美国16%
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 5 15:27:38 2012, 美东)
我说的是医疗占GDP的比重。
德国,英国都实现了全民健保。美国还没有。这说明什么?说明美国的现有的医疗制度
效率非常低。说明全民健保并不必然会导致医疗开支增加。
德国,英国人活得不好吗?寿命比美国人短吗?也没有。

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 狗屁.
: 打仗了,好歹还长点硬功夫.
: obamacare纯粹是喂猪了.

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What is Obama talking about?obama连bush都比不过.
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t*b
发帖数: 850
71
a complete loser
you are not one middle class family. Middle class made their fortune and
their life through hard working and their intelligence, not thorugh
government welfare programs.

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

c********s
发帖数: 93
72
I don't think LZ is the loser
in my friend's case,
he worked 20 years, ,and have saving about $100k and some $200k retirement
fund and own a half millior house in a decent location,
and now he is the only one person to cover his family health insurance
So we can think he doen't want to sell house to see doctor (monster bill
in USA you can image)
so only obamacare is perfect for him to maintain his middle class life even
he lose his job because he just need find some samll job to keep his cash
level

【在 t*b 的大作中提到】
: a complete loser
: you are not one middle class family. Middle class made their fortune and
: their life through hard working and their intelligence, not thorugh
: government welfare programs.
:
: ,
: 。)

c********s
发帖数: 93
73
when you are young, you have to work hard to have saving and retirement and
house and car and family
but when you getting old, leave job without healh coverage, waht you are
going to do,
to die via taking a suicide pill?
if so , al lthe poor pand most middle class doen't exist,
the human being is extinguishing

【在 t*b 的大作中提到】
: a complete loser
: you are not one middle class family. Middle class made their fortune and
: their life through hard working and their intelligence, not thorugh
: government welfare programs.
:
: ,
: 。)

c********s
发帖数: 93
74
plus check teh usa news,
how many middle class have disappeared

【在 t*b 的大作中提到】
: a complete loser
: you are not one middle class family. Middle class made their fortune and
: their life through hard working and their intelligence, not thorugh
: government welfare programs.
:
: ,
: 。)

c********s
发帖数: 93
75
even COBRA can only last for 18 months with huge bills
OBAMACARE Is much better than COBRA

much
cover

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 不同年龄的人,想法理念都不同,这点完全可以理解。本人96年来美国,读书、找工作
: 、办身份,酸甜苦辣都尝过。现在四十不惑,完全理解楼主的观点。如果家里夫妻都工
: 作,一个人失业,可以加到另一方的health care plan,那么你就不用care how much
: COBRA cost。如果家里老婆不工作,又有孩子,那么你每月的COBRA 比整张
: unemployment benefit check 还高得多,怎么办,要吃饭还是看病,答案明摆着吧?
: 如果家里有谁有pre-existing condition,那么没有那个insurance company 会cover
: 你,再找工作,新的保险也不cover pre-existing condition.
: 当你年轻的时候,刚毕业,即使没有工作,身体好,都不会想到医疗保险的重要性,到
: 了岁数,就由不得你了。政府办事情肯定是效率低些,浪费多些,但是Health Care 政
: 府国家不搞,私人企业谁能搞得起来。这些年的医疗保险的copay涨了又涨,再涨下去

m***s
发帖数: 1094
76

拜托您就说中文成不?这英文写的...托福雅思都白考了..

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: but USA will provide more opportunity if medical solved first
c***n
发帖数: 809
77
屁都不懂的人很多,还是唯一的国家, 不骂你脑残都憋的慌.

are

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: USA is the only one country without medical cover for all nation.
: EVEN CHina is have measurement to prevent people from catastrophe if you are
: heavily sick.
: USA : see a doctor for nothing, you will pay $300 or more
: ANy CT or Coloscopy.. you will pay $900 to $6000
: how much do you have , my american immigrant...
: Obamacare will help you
: this is my answer

y****t
发帖数: 10233
78
heck! they can not even pay for the medicare.
how could they pay for obamacare?

and

【在 c********s 的大作中提到】
: when you are young, you have to work hard to have saving and retirement and
: house and car and family
: but when you getting old, leave job without healh coverage, waht you are
: going to do,
: to die via taking a suicide pill?
: if so , al lthe poor pand most middle class doen't exist,
: the human being is extinguishing

d*****s
发帖数: 5610
79
补充一句,
美国保险制度中,明显是政府保险效率高,政府把保险收入的98%用在医药支出上,只
有2%用在管理上。私立保险公司效率低,只把保险收入的75-78%用在医药支出上,管理
费用超过20%,光是私立公司的CEO工资奖金收入就几千万了,而政府机构没有人会拿几
千万。
注意,以上数据是两党公认的。obamacare其实以前就是共和党提出的,关键原因在于
政府成本低。不过Obama提出后,共和党作为反对党,当然要反对。
共和党想把保险私有化最大原因其实是用纳税人钱给私立保险公司,然后私立保险公司
给共和党donation。当年小BUSH搞的Medicare Prescription D就是这样搞的,政府把
钱给私立保险公司,最后发现,私立保险公司在同一个病例上面的成本远远高于联邦政
府的同一个病例的支出成本。

much
cover

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 不同年龄的人,想法理念都不同,这点完全可以理解。本人96年来美国,读书、找工作
: 、办身份,酸甜苦辣都尝过。现在四十不惑,完全理解楼主的观点。如果家里夫妻都工
: 作,一个人失业,可以加到另一方的health care plan,那么你就不用care how much
: COBRA cost。如果家里老婆不工作,又有孩子,那么你每月的COBRA 比整张
: unemployment benefit check 还高得多,怎么办,要吃饭还是看病,答案明摆着吧?
: 如果家里有谁有pre-existing condition,那么没有那个insurance company 会cover
: 你,再找工作,新的保险也不cover pre-existing condition.
: 当你年轻的时候,刚毕业,即使没有工作,身体好,都不会想到医疗保险的重要性,到
: 了岁数,就由不得你了。政府办事情肯定是效率低些,浪费多些,但是Health Care 政
: 府国家不搞,私人企业谁能搞得起来。这些年的医疗保险的copay涨了又涨,再涨下去

y****t
发帖数: 10233
80
效率是高, 每年 60billion waste and fraud.

【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】
: 补充一句,
: 美国保险制度中,明显是政府保险效率高,政府把保险收入的98%用在医药支出上,只
: 有2%用在管理上。私立保险公司效率低,只把保险收入的75-78%用在医药支出上,管理
: 费用超过20%,光是私立公司的CEO工资奖金收入就几千万了,而政府机构没有人会拿几
: 千万。
: 注意,以上数据是两党公认的。obamacare其实以前就是共和党提出的,关键原因在于
: 政府成本低。不过Obama提出后,共和党作为反对党,当然要反对。
: 共和党想把保险私有化最大原因其实是用纳税人钱给私立保险公司,然后私立保险公司
: 给共和党donation。当年小BUSH搞的Medicare Prescription D就是这样搞的,政府把
: 钱给私立保险公司,最后发现,私立保险公司在同一个病例上面的成本远远高于联邦政

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m**********e
发帖数: 1045
81
如果真是这样, 为何不走政府保险这条路

【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】
: 补充一句,
: 美国保险制度中,明显是政府保险效率高,政府把保险收入的98%用在医药支出上,只
: 有2%用在管理上。私立保险公司效率低,只把保险收入的75-78%用在医药支出上,管理
: 费用超过20%,光是私立公司的CEO工资奖金收入就几千万了,而政府机构没有人会拿几
: 千万。
: 注意,以上数据是两党公认的。obamacare其实以前就是共和党提出的,关键原因在于
: 政府成本低。不过Obama提出后,共和党作为反对党,当然要反对。
: 共和党想把保险私有化最大原因其实是用纳税人钱给私立保险公司,然后私立保险公司
: 给共和党donation。当年小BUSH搞的Medicare Prescription D就是这样搞的,政府把
: 钱给私立保险公司,最后发现,私立保险公司在同一个病例上面的成本远远高于联邦政

m**********e
发帖数: 1045
82
哪个国家都有浪费和欺诈,对此,我们能做的只能是杜绝和打击。

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 效率是高, 每年 60billion waste and fraud.
d*****s
发帖数: 5610
83
obamacare的主意以前是共和党提出的,Romney当年在MA搞的就是一样,也是共和党的
主意,Obama当选后,作为反对党,共和党不愿意让Obama把便宜都占了。

【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】
: 如果真是这样, 为何不走政府保险这条路
m**********e
发帖数: 1045
84
Pprotecting the shrinking middle class is responsibilty and right as a
presidnet.

【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】
: obamacare的主意以前是共和党提出的,Romney当年在MA搞的就是一样,也是共和党的
: 主意,Obama当选后,作为反对党,共和党不愿意让Obama把便宜都占了。

y****t
发帖数: 10233
85
right, before you ask to raise our tax, work on your waste first!

【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】
: 哪个国家都有浪费和欺诈,对此,我们能做的只能是杜绝和打击。
y****t
发帖数: 10233
86
protecting the middle class. put them all on the food stamp.
46.7 million people on food stamp now. all time record.

【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】
: Pprotecting the shrinking middle class is responsibilty and right as a
: presidnet.

c********s
发帖数: 93
87
no matter how to change the health law, there is nothing to do with the real
poor.
but for lots of middle class, they are still having good life with limited
health care credit.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: protecting the middle class. put them all on the food stamp.
: 46.7 million people on food stamp now. all time record.

y****t
发帖数: 10233
88
middle class dont even have a job now. 47.6m on food stamp
what a good life.

real

【在 c********s 的大作中提到】
: no matter how to change the health law, there is nothing to do with the real
: poor.
: but for lots of middle class, they are still having good life with limited
: health care credit.

e***z
发帖数: 7126
89
“Government does not create money”擦。
你真傻假傻
政府最大的职能就是下述几件事情
1:从民众手里收钱
2:全世界到处借钱
3:到地下有石油的地方抢钱
4:利用高科技打印机技术印钱
5:跟花街勾结好了赌钱
既然政府依然弄了这末多钱了,分一点出来又如何?

【在 n******e 的大作中提到】
: Dignity is earned, not given.
: Government does not create money and wealth.It is funded by tax paid by
: others. It is a transfer. One should appreciate help from others, but you
: cannot depend on others and demand help. It is not a privilege.

s******8
发帖数: 4192
90
打仗扔炸弹是为了保护美元霸权。不要以为国际结算货币是天赋的,都是靠炸弹,靠美
国大兵的生命换来的。否则印出来到美元就不是钱,是废纸!
有国际霸权才有美元的统治地位,打仗这个账真得很难算清亏了还是赚了。不过现在看
来还是赚了。为什么全世界都认为美元最坚挺,即使美国拼命印钱,拼命发国债,国债
利率如此之低全世界的国家和人却还抢着买?就是大家看准了美国的枪炮一定会保卫美
元。

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 就是,
: 钱花在
: Obama Care上,总比打仗丢炸弹强。
:
: much
: cover

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G*******s
发帖数: 10605
91
喷了这么多,你被奥巴马完全忽悠了,他这么搞下去迟早所有的这些福利都要严重赤字
,最后要么彻底作废,要么换成条件苛刻的或者质量差很多的服务来降低成本

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

t******k
发帖数: 40
92
If like Obamacare because you can let others pay your healthcare bills.
Then who pays?
What if nobody works anymore?
It is a 0 sum scheme.
The nation, regardless who pays, is spending huge amount of money on
healthcare.
This will cause inflation.
The root of healthcare problem is the cost.
I can tell that 08 is a liar because he took this approach to "solve" the
problem. It can only be worse.
p********a
发帖数: 761
93
I am still working and will continue to work, even without employment
supported-healthcare job, I will still do part time or full time without any
benefit.
the problem is: while I am working, ai would like to pay some extra for
medical.
but when we get old, we might have not empolyment healthcare,.....do you
guys think I should and can afford the world #1 medical insurance in USA....
do I have to sell all my house and car and use all my 401k... af ter I am
totally broken, I have nothing left, then I get medicaid...... still all the
really poor ppl have medicaid---this is the current law.
the only change of OBAMACARE is to protect the current middle class from
catastrophe in medical bills.

【在 t******k 的大作中提到】
: If like Obamacare because you can let others pay your healthcare bills.
: Then who pays?
: What if nobody works anymore?
: It is a 0 sum scheme.
: The nation, regardless who pays, is spending huge amount of money on
: healthcare.
: This will cause inflation.
: The root of healthcare problem is the cost.
: I can tell that 08 is a liar because he took this approach to "solve" the
: problem. It can only be worse.

c********s
发帖数: 93
94
you are nothinbg to do with obamacare
since you have employer-based health insurance, which is the best

any
..
the

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: I am still working and will continue to work, even without employment
: supported-healthcare job, I will still do part time or full time without any
: benefit.
: the problem is: while I am working, ai would like to pay some extra for
: medical.
: but when we get old, we might have not empolyment healthcare,.....do you
: guys think I should and can afford the world #1 medical insurance in USA....
: do I have to sell all my house and car and use all my 401k... af ter I am
: totally broken, I have nothing left, then I get medicaid...... still all the
: really poor ppl have medicaid---this is the current law.

I***l
发帖数: 121
95
财政部4日公布,美国国债总额目前已达16兆元,创有史以来最高纪录,相当于每名美
国人至少负债5万元。
m*******p
发帖数: 1978
96
illness is not chosen. it is given, not earned.
government does create wealth by running programs with positive externality,
e.g., police, roads, etc.
humans are different from animals because we help each other. damn, even
wolves help each other in hunting.

【在 n******e 的大作中提到】
: Dignity is earned, not given.
: Government does not create money and wealth.It is funded by tax paid by
: others. It is a transfer. One should appreciate help from others, but you
: cannot depend on others and demand help. It is not a privilege.

I*1
发帖数: 5635
97
你英文水平还有政治觉悟和巴马治国水平一个级别。难怪

have
the

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: When I am working, I pay tax for everything
: I am immigrant, I want to work until the last moment of my die with my
: knowledge and education.
: But, as an immigrant, I might not be the very successful person, I might
: lost job because of recession, my age, my career field....
: I also have savings when working to keep good life, but do you think I have
: to use all my saving just for family medicare purchase without federal
: credit....
: USA have most expensive medical bill in the world, if you don't have
: employer-supported insurance,you can't image, how about if I don't have the

i****a
发帖数: 36252
98
Root cause is the outragous costs. No universal insurance system will
survive without contolling the cost. All systems with sucessful universal
medical care have very well defined and reasonable charges for procedures
and drugs.
The system in the US is fundamentally faulted and interest groups for drug
companies, doctors, insurances companies are too powerful for any president
to fix the system.

[发表自未名空间手机版 - m.mitbbs.com]

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: Why usa can't like Canada, Europe and Japan to make some more coverage on
: medical.

l*****o
发帖数: 214
99
I don't minding paying tax, but it depends on how much I get back from it. I
pay 40% in US and still have to pay medical insurance and education??? It's
a joke! Both the two parties suck, but Obama has done things for greater
good. He's slightly better. Still both suck.
w*****s
发帖数: 2896
100
做梦吧. 你也不想一想, 这能持续多长时间. 等到大家懒的不能再懒, 人人依靠政府,
美国就成了希腊, 你还能有这一切吗? 现在国债已经16万亿了, 你以为离希腊还远吗?
你的尊严要靠别人, 这算你的尊严吗?

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

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p********a
发帖数: 761
101
as I mentioned previously, I work hard, but maybe my nature, my skill and my
career field, etc will not let me work with health cover in some day future
.
therefore, I just don't want to be broken from a middle class because of
medical catastrophe.
so almost all other developed country have this coverage, omabacare just did
some not all

,

【在 w*****s 的大作中提到】
: 做梦吧. 你也不想一想, 这能持续多长时间. 等到大家懒的不能再懒, 人人依靠政府,
: 美国就成了希腊, 你还能有这一切吗? 现在国债已经16万亿了, 你以为离希腊还远吗?
: 你的尊严要靠别人, 这算你的尊严吗?
:
: ,
: 。)

t******y
发帖数: 1352
102
玩政治的哪一个不是cheater,只是大骗子对小骗子,看看克林顿
好天真嘛

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: Romney is just a cheater, in my white collegue's words.
t******y
发帖数: 1352
103
你咋知道Romney不做呢,让他当总统试试嘛
一切都是在假设中,你家两口子都没工作让老8救救试试嘛,没发生就别整那么痛苦,
好像世界末日似的

afforable

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: buddy, we realize it, we wish Obama can change it, or romney can do?
: if taking time to make this change (make cost cheap), we can make afforable
: care first.
: Only Obama did it and success.
: Bill Clinton, Bush, even don't think about it to change it!!!
:
: it,

t******y
发帖数: 1352
104
你咋知道人家没plan呢?躲人家床底下听的?

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: Romney just want to kill obamacare
: and he has no any plan to medical change
:
: ?
: .
: action:
: the

z****n
发帖数: 1933
105
虽然支持奥巴马,但是说一句,美国的问题搞不好最后还是要变成打仗扔炸弹。
世界就是丛林法则,想想一个大汉穷得要死,却手里有个被人没有的大棒。

much
cover

【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 不同年龄的人,想法理念都不同,这点完全可以理解。本人96年来美国,读书、找工作
: 、办身份,酸甜苦辣都尝过。现在四十不惑,完全理解楼主的观点。如果家里夫妻都工
: 作,一个人失业,可以加到另一方的health care plan,那么你就不用care how much
: COBRA cost。如果家里老婆不工作,又有孩子,那么你每月的COBRA 比整张
: unemployment benefit check 还高得多,怎么办,要吃饭还是看病,答案明摆着吧?
: 如果家里有谁有pre-existing condition,那么没有那个insurance company 会cover
: 你,再找工作,新的保险也不cover pre-existing condition.
: 当你年轻的时候,刚毕业,即使没有工作,身体好,都不会想到医疗保险的重要性,到
: 了岁数,就由不得你了。政府办事情肯定是效率低些,浪费多些,但是Health Care 政
: 府国家不搞,私人企业谁能搞得起来。这些年的医疗保险的copay涨了又涨,再涨下去

g******8
发帖数: 542
106
太对了,袄巴马的政策就是鼓励懒惰的穷人掠夺努力工作的富人的政策。

【在 s**********e 的大作中提到】
: 民主党的政策,按照推理,就是:
: 提供大量的社会福利,尽量搞坏经济,这样越来越多的人只有靠政府的福利,永远投民
: 主党的票。

t******y
发帖数: 1352
107
整半天是仇富,看人家有银子心里特气是不是?在美国谁不让你发财了?

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: In this case. there is no benefit for all the usa people
: let's be fair, no matter poor or rich

g******s
发帖数: 3056
108
实在不理解有人会发这种帖子。
中国人大多是中产阶级,怎么会有中国人支持民主党,脑袋进水了。
大家如果都有医保了,医院和诊所就象中国一样,人山人海,排队叫号。劳模,老黑躺
着都有医保,和中产阶级一起看病,大家都玩完了。你要支持社会主义,支持大锅饭,
鼓励劳模,老黑不工作,生孩子,吃社保医保,你就投民主党。
问问加拿大中产阶级,看看他们喜欢全民医保么?你就明白了。
民主党要给非法移民绿卡,共和党要给高学历的人绿卡。
中国人,你支持谁?
c********s
发帖数: 93
109
在此我想声明一下:
现状是:劳模,老黑已躺着且都有都有医保
所以LZ的观点还是可取的

【在 g******s 的大作中提到】
: 实在不理解有人会发这种帖子。
: 中国人大多是中产阶级,怎么会有中国人支持民主党,脑袋进水了。
: 大家如果都有医保了,医院和诊所就象中国一样,人山人海,排队叫号。劳模,老黑躺
: 着都有医保,和中产阶级一起看病,大家都玩完了。你要支持社会主义,支持大锅饭,
: 鼓励劳模,老黑不工作,生孩子,吃社保医保,你就投民主党。
: 问问加拿大中产阶级,看看他们喜欢全民医保么?你就明白了。
: 民主党要给非法移民绿卡,共和党要给高学历的人绿卡。
: 中国人,你支持谁?

c********s
发帖数: 93
110
在此我想声明一下:
现状是:劳模,老黑已躺着且都有都有医保
所以LZ的观点还是可取的

【在 g******s 的大作中提到】
: 实在不理解有人会发这种帖子。
: 中国人大多是中产阶级,怎么会有中国人支持民主党,脑袋进水了。
: 大家如果都有医保了,医院和诊所就象中国一样,人山人海,排队叫号。劳模,老黑躺
: 着都有医保,和中产阶级一起看病,大家都玩完了。你要支持社会主义,支持大锅饭,
: 鼓励劳模,老黑不工作,生孩子,吃社保医保,你就投民主党。
: 问问加拿大中产阶级,看看他们喜欢全民医保么?你就明白了。
: 民主党要给非法移民绿卡,共和党要给高学历的人绿卡。
: 中国人,你支持谁?

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y*****n
发帖数: 11251
111
不选他因为那个obamacare也足够了。他老兄搞全民医保搞了个顾头不顾尾吧,为了最
后实现他的那个obamacare和代表医疗保险金融的势力妥协太多,结果全民医保导致本
来已经节节高的医保更是找到了疯涨的理由。通过那年的第二年renew时候医保的
paycheck deduct涨幅创新高。而且估计为了给那些交不起医保的人找钱,还要继续涨
下去。LZ所谓的活出一点尊严其实就是还有paycheck被扣的尊严。

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

g******s
发帖数: 3056
112
你错了,那些懒惰的人买不起保险,他们无法去私人诊所看病。
现在好了,大家都有保险了,私人诊所排队了,医疗质量肯定会下降的。 不信,你和
加拿大人聊吧,看他们容易约医生么。

【在 c********s 的大作中提到】
: 在此我想声明一下:
: 现状是:劳模,老黑已躺着且都有都有医保
: 所以LZ的观点还是可取的

n*******e
发帖数: 62
113
美国当然可以像canada, 欧洲,日本,为什么不像?因为多数美国人,当然可能不包括你.
一个国家的意志,应该体现多数人的意志,这是无法改变的. 但可以改变的是个人, 如果
你那么喜欢 加拿大,欧洲,日本, 奇怪的问一下,你为什么不去那里呢?
知道吗, 你, 加拿大的税收是多少? 欧洲的税收有多高?

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: Why usa can't like Canada, Europe and Japan to make some more coverage on
: medical.

n*******e
发帖数: 62
114
loser

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

d******2
发帖数: 1039
115
慈不带兵, 善不理财. 过多关注社会底层会拖垮一个国家的精英阶层. 精英阶层没了,
国家就没了.
A******g
发帖数: 612
116
美国的医生,不看也罢
c******e
发帖数: 342
117
总结一下
老弱病残都选噢叭 都想不劳而获让别人养着 毫不知耻吃占有别人的劳动成果 多美阿
大锅饭从此吃定了 美国也就此趴下了

my
future
did

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: as I mentioned previously, I work hard, but maybe my nature, my skill and my
: career field, etc will not let me work with health cover in some day future
: .
: therefore, I just don't want to be broken from a middle class because of
: medical catastrophe.
: so almost all other developed country have this coverage, omabacare just did
: some not all
:
: ,

k**o
发帖数: 15334
118
欧洲都快完蛋了,还拿欧洲说事,哈哈。
k**1
发帖数: 1955
119
因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
未必如此, 国内来的新移民, 有些是教授, 院士, 一天也没有为美国工作过, 不也拿
medicaid和SSI吗?
他们国内有存款, 房子(s). 他们也没有破产啊.
a***o
发帖数: 65
120
For my own opinion, if you cannot save up enough by your own, vote O8ma. Coz
you want to use others' money.
If you have decent income and are able to save some. Vote Romney. Better
economy may benefit everyone.
Everyone will die. Everyone will have to pay a big chunk of money to
hospital. If you cannot afford the potion of yourself, of course, you have
to use others' money.

my
future
did

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: as I mentioned previously, I work hard, but maybe my nature, my skill and my
: career field, etc will not let me work with health cover in some day future
: .
: therefore, I just don't want to be broken from a middle class because of
: medical catastrophe.
: so almost all other developed country have this coverage, omabacare just did
: some not all
:
: ,

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l*i
发帖数: 5732
121
加拿大看个医生可难了, 家庭医生都供不应求, 省政府规定医生的最高工资, 一天
不能看超过多少病人, 哈哈, 很周到哈

【在 g******s 的大作中提到】
: 实在不理解有人会发这种帖子。
: 中国人大多是中产阶级,怎么会有中国人支持民主党,脑袋进水了。
: 大家如果都有医保了,医院和诊所就象中国一样,人山人海,排队叫号。劳模,老黑躺
: 着都有医保,和中产阶级一起看病,大家都玩完了。你要支持社会主义,支持大锅饭,
: 鼓励劳模,老黑不工作,生孩子,吃社保医保,你就投民主党。
: 问问加拿大中产阶级,看看他们喜欢全民医保么?你就明白了。
: 民主党要给非法移民绿卡,共和党要给高学历的人绿卡。
: 中国人,你支持谁?

m**********e
发帖数: 1045
122
Could anyone here tel me LZ to keep LZ's decent asset (his saving, his house
, his retirement savings) without spending too much on his medical insurance
if LZ lost his benefited job.

【在 k**1 的大作中提到】
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 未必如此, 国内来的新移民, 有些是教授, 院士, 一天也没有为美国工作过, 不也拿
: medicaid和SSI吗?
: 他们国内有存款, 房子(s). 他们也没有破产啊.

w*********p
发帖数: 3305
123
Everyone cares waaaaaaaaaaaay too much about medical care....just die!
m**********e
发帖数: 1045
124
If die is that simple, there is no medicare existence.
比如原始社会。

【在 w*********p 的大作中提到】
: Everyone cares waaaaaaaaaaaay too much about medical care....just die!
v*********n
发帖数: 3983
125
问个问题,为什么罗姆尼在麻州搞全民医保,到了美国却反对奥巴马的全民医保?

【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】
: 楼主,如果Romney当了总统,他的医改政策更好些,看看麻州就知道了,有时候空话谁
: 都会说,干事情的时候就是另外一回事情了。

t******g
发帖数: 7
126
Obamacare? Give me a break!
Everyone has Medicare when they reach 65.
Obamacare is not everyone has coverage.
Obamacare is everyone must BUY coverage.
Obama is for poor? Come on, who give the bank big money 2008?
Obama is for himself! I AM poor( or so called middle class), but I do not
support him now. ( I did before).
t******g
发帖数: 7
127
Obamacare? Give me a break!
Everyone has Medicare when they reach 65.
Obamacare is not everyone has coverage.
Obamacare is everyone must BUY coverage.
Obama is for poor? Come on, who give the bank big money 2008?
Obama is for himself! I AM poor( or so called middle class), but I do not
support him now. ( I did before).
s******8
发帖数: 4192
128
这个医保不一样。你却问问医生就知道了,十个有9个不收medicare。最好的医生都是
out of network,或者PPO,一般医生PPO/HMO,只有那种最差的医生,其他病人找不到
,才收medicare。劳模,老黑得到的医疗和有工作的中产差不是一个数量级。
obamacare是一个正确的方向,但是现在通过的这个法律我真的很担心,属于饮鸠止渴
的解决方法,可能反而会死得更快。

【在 c********s 的大作中提到】
: 在此我想声明一下:
: 现状是:劳模,老黑已躺着且都有都有医保
: 所以LZ的观点还是可取的

k**1
发帖数: 1955
129
太对了,Romney的政策就是鼓励懒惰的富人掠夺努力工作的穷人的政策

【在 g******8 的大作中提到】
: 太对了,袄巴马的政策就是鼓励懒惰的穷人掠夺努力工作的富人的政策。
k****g
发帖数: 1509
130
Did u ready obamacare law page by page?

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

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m**********e
发帖数: 1045
131
谁能展开讲讲麻州医保?

【在 v*********n 的大作中提到】
: 问个问题,为什么罗姆尼在麻州搞全民医保,到了美国却反对奥巴马的全民医保?
k**1
发帖数: 1955
132
That is not true. Government-based insurance is much better than employer-
based.

【在 c********s 的大作中提到】
: 在此我想声明一下:
: 现状是:劳模,老黑已躺着且都有都有医保
: 所以LZ的观点还是可取的

m**********e
发帖数: 1045
133
i only pay $150 per month to cover family 0f 3 using my employment based
insurance with $30 copay and $75 ER. that's it.

【在 k**1 的大作中提到】
: That is not true. Government-based insurance is much better than employer-
: based.

l*********o
发帖数: 3091
134
your family is single income. period.

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

v*******e
发帖数: 133
135
每年花一两万买medical insurance算多吗?这点buffer的能力都没有还把自己归为
middle class?

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

v*******e
发帖数: 133
136
Well Said.

Coz

【在 a***o 的大作中提到】
: For my own opinion, if you cannot save up enough by your own, vote O8ma. Coz
: you want to use others' money.
: If you have decent income and are able to save some. Vote Romney. Better
: economy may benefit everyone.
: Everyone will die. Everyone will have to pay a big chunk of money to
: hospital. If you cannot afford the potion of yourself, of course, you have
: to use others' money.
:
: my
: future

l*****o
发帖数: 214
137
They are not parasites! The society is designed to have rich and poor. They
deserve to have a life with lower quality if they don't work hard. But it
doesn't mean the poor deserve to die when they are sick. What's more, even
though their economiclal value is small, they have social values as a father
, a son, a neighbor. It will bring lots of social crimes as well if we let
them die, how much more you gotta pay for police enforcement in your
neighborhood?

【在 e***s 的大作中提到】
: Parasites living off other people's hand-out never get dignity.
v**********m
发帖数: 5516
138
我想自己做点small business,不想给人打工,可是如何才能买到cover pre-existing
condition的保险呢?
各位成功的打工仔,你们想一辈子给大企业打工,然后岁数到了5x以后被裁员。
各位成功的打工仔,准备好自杀了吗? 因为medicare得到65才能开始。
m********y
发帖数: 21909
139
强Re。
中产阶级要眼光长远一点,不能跟农民一样只顾自己的一亩3分地,说到底了,大多的
中产阶级不掌握生产资料,工作处于飘摇中,没准哪天就lay off了。
v**********m
发帖数: 5516
140
中产就是个打工仔,哪有一亩3分地?

【在 m********y 的大作中提到】
: 强Re。
: 中产阶级要眼光长远一点,不能跟农民一样只顾自己的一亩3分地,说到底了,大多的
: 中产阶级不掌握生产资料,工作处于飘摇中,没准哪天就lay off了。

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m**********e
发帖数: 1045
141
OMG, please tell me what is definition and category of middle class?
$up $20,000 /year for family medical insurance, plus,mortgage,plus house
insurance, plus car insurance, plus eat, clothes, shoes, travelling,
spending on child(ren)....
how much is belonging to middle class

【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
: 每年花一两万买medical insurance算多吗?这点buffer的能力都没有还把自己归为
: middle class?
:
: ,
: 。)

c********s
发帖数: 93
142
actually I know so many family with couple work , one in Federal government,
and one is in small business

【在 l*********o 的大作中提到】
: your family is single income. period.
:
: ,
: 。)

a*s
发帖数: 1220
143
对于想自己做SMALL BUSINESS的人来说,社会保险不仅为了保自己,也可以降低雇人成
本,否则给员工除了提供薪水还要提供医疗保险,小公司是吃不消的,最后都去中国、
印度找外包了。

existing

【在 v**********m 的大作中提到】
: 我想自己做点small business,不想给人打工,可是如何才能买到cover pre-existing
: condition的保险呢?
: 各位成功的打工仔,你们想一辈子给大企业打工,然后岁数到了5x以后被裁员。
: 各位成功的打工仔,准备好自杀了吗? 因为medicare得到65才能开始。

k********s
发帖数: 320
144
Amen to that

【在 n******e 的大作中提到】
: Dignity is earned, not given.
: Government does not create money and wealth.It is funded by tax paid by
: others. It is a transfer. One should appreciate help from others, but you
: cannot depend on others and demand help. It is not a privilege.

l******a
发帖数: 3803
145
just have more debts,
we will soon see gas @10 dollars/gallon.
k********s
发帖数: 320
146
Do you live in a parallel universe/alternative reality or something?

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: buddy,
: Greece is not tanked in economy compared to German and USA

k********s
发帖数: 320
147
"I have made some census recently", lol

more
he

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: Trust me, buddy, I have made some census recently,
: all african ameican will vote for Obama (20% usa vote)
: All Mexic , other american like asin american and at least more than half
: asian (except the hight paid asian) will vote for Abama (about 20%
: White middle class will vote for obama (20-30%)
: I ask for a white make in my work place, you will vote for obama even he is
: not poor.
: So obamma will win for sure
:
: obama.

g******7
发帖数: 1532
148
measurement???

are

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: USA is the only one country without medical cover for all nation.
: EVEN CHina is have measurement to prevent people from catastrophe if you are
: heavily sick.
: USA : see a doctor for nothing, you will pay $300 or more
: ANy CT or Coloscopy.. you will pay $900 to $6000
: how much do you have , my american immigrant...
: Obamacare will help you
: this is my answer

j******8
发帖数: 1006
149
the only way to solve these problem is to build more public schools for law
and medical. all these industrial is conteol by rhe rich people, thwy set
the rules, not the fovernment. the president cant do a rhing about it.

it,

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why you still dont get it!
: the problem for healthcare is the cost is too high!!! not because you dont
: have insurance.
: why cost is too high?
: ask the regulations, ask the lawyers, ask doctors how much insurance they
: have to pay to cover their practice ...
: obama never intended to solve these problem, but ask us to pay more into it,
: now the question is,
: who is gonna pay for it?

c********s
发帖数: 93
150
You mean Obama " affordable act" or obamacare

【在 a*s 的大作中提到】
: 对于想自己做SMALL BUSINESS的人来说,社会保险不仅为了保自己,也可以降低雇人成
: 本,否则给员工除了提供薪水还要提供医疗保险,小公司是吃不消的,最后都去中国、
: 印度找外包了。
:
: existing

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f****p
发帖数: 18483
151
这是十足的扯淡,或者是扯JB蛋!

,
。)

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 至少OBAMACARE 还能让我这位没多大能力的中产阶级底层活出一点尊严。
: 因为我不想 先得破产, 才能像begger一样活着 (这时才有medicaid!!!)
: 如果你是一位大富翁, 你可以选ROMMRY,因为你自己每年花$10,000 to $20,000 为家
: 庭买医保,你还是大富翁。
: 我有点不多的积蓄, 万一因年岁大 (五十岁左右)lost job, 我不想将所有的积蓄都
: 花在医保上。
: 每年我能付$5000一下, 但不能付$7000 以上。
: 感谢OBAMACARE, 至少它能让我不至于破产(because of unimagable medical bill if
: you see doctor for any disease)
: 一言以蔽之, OBAMACARE 能保护一个中产家庭(不至于崩溃到社会最底层)。

c********s
发帖数: 93
152
how do you make LZ 不 “ 十足的扯淡,或者是扯JB蛋”

【在 f****p 的大作中提到】
: 这是十足的扯淡,或者是扯JB蛋!
:
: ,
: 。)

j******8
发帖数: 1006
153
you missed LZ's point. he work hard all his life, proud to pay his tax like
every other middle class. now all he want is to have medical insurance
covered in case he got lay off around 50's... at that age it's hars to get
a job back.
when you have a family and get older, you will understans...

【在 t*b 的大作中提到】
: a complete loser
: you are not one middle class family. Middle class made their fortune and
: their life through hard working and their intelligence, not thorugh
: government welfare programs.
:
: ,
: 。)

j******8
发帖数: 1006
154
LZ said whar happen if he lasr his job in the future, not now. all you
fricking ppl looking is now, havw you rhoufh about 20, 30 yeaes from now,
whwn you are 55 and have no job, what arw you going to do wirhour healrh
inaurance??

【在 c********s 的大作中提到】
: how do you make LZ 不 “ 十足的扯淡,或者是扯JB蛋”
y****t
发帖数: 10233
155
who is gonna/how to deliver obamacare promises when LZ is in need of it?

like
get

【在 j******8 的大作中提到】
: you missed LZ's point. he work hard all his life, proud to pay his tax like
: every other middle class. now all he want is to have medical insurance
: covered in case he got lay off around 50's... at that age it's hars to get
: a job back.
: when you have a family and get older, you will understans...

y****t
发帖数: 10233
156
they can not even deliver their social security/medicare promise in 10 years
. how would you trust them to deliver obamacare in 30 years?
what the heck!

【在 j******8 的大作中提到】
: LZ said whar happen if he lasr his job in the future, not now. all you
: fricking ppl looking is now, havw you rhoufh about 20, 30 yeaes from now,
: whwn you are 55 and have no job, what arw you going to do wirhour healrh
: inaurance??

e***g
发帖数: 1696
157
看上去就是50左右的人支持ObamaCare,30左右的还不担心所以不支持,是不是这样?

【在 j******8 的大作中提到】
: LZ said whar happen if he lasr his job in the future, not now. all you
: fricking ppl looking is now, havw you rhoufh about 20, 30 yeaes from now,
: whwn you are 55 and have no job, what arw you going to do wirhour healrh
: inaurance??

p******r
发帖数: 1279
158
what the hell happened to you key board???????????????

【在 j******8 的大作中提到】
: LZ said whar happen if he lasr his job in the future, not now. all you
: fricking ppl looking is now, havw you rhoufh about 20, 30 yeaes from now,
: whwn you are 55 and have no job, what arw you going to do wirhour healrh
: inaurance??

c*********8
发帖数: 135
159
LZ,你这个想法没问题,但是问题是在你需要政府救济的时候,可能政府已经没有能力
救济你了。为什么呢?因为尼玛老墨老黑的后代已经占光了政府救济,他们比你更穷,
穷得啥都没有,还使劲生,平均一家生6个,全部靠政府出钱养活。这种政策只会让这
样的穷人越来越多,不思进取,把政府拖垮,让我们这些纳税人买单。我还是支持达尔
文的进化论,物竞天择,作为人类不应该盲目的去改变它。个人生存靠自己本事,不行
就被淘汰,对于人类长远的利益,还是有好处的。
b******e
发帖数: 539
160
嗯,不过就怕你现在交税养别人,等你老了,这个系统负担不了了;或是有保险,但是
没有医生,看病要等半年。。。

have
the

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: When I am working, I pay tax for everything
: I am immigrant, I want to work until the last moment of my die with my
: knowledge and education.
: But, as an immigrant, I might not be the very successful person, I might
: lost job because of recession, my age, my career field....
: I also have savings when working to keep good life, but do you think I have
: to use all my saving just for family medicare purchase without federal
: credit....
: USA have most expensive medical bill in the world, if you don't have
: employer-supported insurance,you can't image, how about if I don't have the

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d******u
发帖数: 2196
161
医疗,教育,修桥补路这些都应该由政府来做的, 不然交税干吗? 健康保险私有化按照共
和党的说法就是给你发医疗券. 医疗卷管什么用啊, 医疗卷能提前知道你要生什么病啊
? 现在看医生已经要预约很久了, 你还要等医疗卷? 还有上限,超过了你就卖家产付钱.
今天出的报告30%医疗费用是浪费在管理的上的. 其他不说,就说共和党小布什搞出来
的medicare part D, 明显是私有保险明显浪费严重过政府. 政府做了,有更大议价能力
. 自己看看你的medical bill, 拿牙医保险来简单说, 你的牙医更保险公司是有固定费
率表的, 但是你的牙医账单上bill insurace都是严重超过那个价格的. 你只负责
patient's responsibility 那部分. 多出来的牙医只能write off. 美国的医生收入起
码10% 给了 billing office, 这里面就是养了很多浪费资源的人. 还有你们那些公司
保险生小孩要给很多oop 的,那是你们公司故意选的烂保险计划,为了公司省钱, 这就是
私人保险公司故意出的计划, 基本上你都得不到什么保护. 你还不如换家好的公司,有
个好点的医疗保险计划呢. 共和党也是很有意思的,为了骗选票, 就说55岁以上的老人
不受新计划影响, 那么我们这种55以下的以后就只能等医疗卷啦, 凭什么俺55岁来划分
啊, 就是55岁以上的选票不少啊. 要换你就全部整体大家都医疗卷啊, 其实55岁以下的
都应该反对这种医疗卷的做法. 建保费用只会一直上涨,到你老了,医疗卷的上限压根不
够用, 白内障手术一个眼睛现在都$3000, 自己想想到你老了要花多少钱.
c********s
发帖数: 93
162
非常在理

钱.

【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: 医疗,教育,修桥补路这些都应该由政府来做的, 不然交税干吗? 健康保险私有化按照共
: 和党的说法就是给你发医疗券. 医疗卷管什么用啊, 医疗卷能提前知道你要生什么病啊
: ? 现在看医生已经要预约很久了, 你还要等医疗卷? 还有上限,超过了你就卖家产付钱.
: 今天出的报告30%医疗费用是浪费在管理的上的. 其他不说,就说共和党小布什搞出来
: 的medicare part D, 明显是私有保险明显浪费严重过政府. 政府做了,有更大议价能力
: . 自己看看你的medical bill, 拿牙医保险来简单说, 你的牙医更保险公司是有固定费
: 率表的, 但是你的牙医账单上bill insurace都是严重超过那个价格的. 你只负责
: patient's responsibility 那部分. 多出来的牙医只能write off. 美国的医生收入起
: 码10% 给了 billing office, 这里面就是养了很多浪费资源的人. 还有你们那些公司
: 保险生小孩要给很多oop 的,那是你们公司故意选的烂保险计划,为了公司省钱, 这就是

l******u
发帖数: 1174
163
Then go to North Korea.

【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: If Romney, I can live better but I have chance to live miserably.
: if OBama, at least I can live with some dignity

N********n
发帖数: 8363
164

最低效、最浪费的就是政府开支,因为他们花的不是自己的钱。有你和LZ
这样傻乎的甘愿往上送钱的就更有恃无恐了。光维持现有的福利制度每年
就要赤字1.5万亿,还想再来一个OBAMACARE?
这么乱花的结果就是最后开印钞机狂印把美元变废纸。到时候一袋面包10
块,一个汉堡20,去一次加油站200块。您的OBAMACARE跑步进入希腊CARE
水准,美国变PIIGS,让你尽情享受大福利的快感。

【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: 医疗,教育,修桥补路这些都应该由政府来做的, 不然交税干吗? 健康保险私有化按照共
: 和党的说法就是给你发医疗券. 医疗卷管什么用啊, 医疗卷能提前知道你要生什么病啊
: ? 现在看医生已经要预约很久了, 你还要等医疗卷? 还有上限,超过了你就卖家产付钱.
: 今天出的报告30%医疗费用是浪费在管理的上的. 其他不说,就说共和党小布什搞出来
: 的medicare part D, 明显是私有保险明显浪费严重过政府. 政府做了,有更大议价能力
: . 自己看看你的medical bill, 拿牙医保险来简单说, 你的牙医更保险公司是有固定费
: 率表的, 但是你的牙医账单上bill insurace都是严重超过那个价格的. 你只负责
: patient's responsibility 那部分. 多出来的牙医只能write off. 美国的医生收入起
: 码10% 给了 billing office, 这里面就是养了很多浪费资源的人. 还有你们那些公司
: 保险生小孩要给很多oop 的,那是你们公司故意选的烂保险计划,为了公司省钱, 这就是

y****t
发帖数: 10233
165
fix it, before raising our tax to pay for it.

钱.

【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: 医疗,教育,修桥补路这些都应该由政府来做的, 不然交税干吗? 健康保险私有化按照共
: 和党的说法就是给你发医疗券. 医疗卷管什么用啊, 医疗卷能提前知道你要生什么病啊
: ? 现在看医生已经要预约很久了, 你还要等医疗卷? 还有上限,超过了你就卖家产付钱.
: 今天出的报告30%医疗费用是浪费在管理的上的. 其他不说,就说共和党小布什搞出来
: 的medicare part D, 明显是私有保险明显浪费严重过政府. 政府做了,有更大议价能力
: . 自己看看你的medical bill, 拿牙医保险来简单说, 你的牙医更保险公司是有固定费
: 率表的, 但是你的牙医账单上bill insurace都是严重超过那个价格的. 你只负责
: patient's responsibility 那部分. 多出来的牙医只能write off. 美国的医生收入起
: 码10% 给了 billing office, 这里面就是养了很多浪费资源的人. 还有你们那些公司
: 保险生小孩要给很多oop 的,那是你们公司故意选的烂保险计划,为了公司省钱, 这就是

j******6
发帖数: 109
166
Obamacare saves money in long run. Look at Canada, health care cost is only
11% GDP, in US it is 18% now. That is why Romney started it first in MA to
prepare for his President bid, but Obama stolen Romney's idea.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: There is no money to pay for it. Collapse is the only way to end it.
: You look at the history, and you look around world.
:
: have
: the

j******6
发帖数: 109
167
The truth is poor people do not pay premium but they use heath care by going
to the emergency.
Obamacare will force them to pay or face penalty.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Middle class is paying a premium for obamacare. They are the true victims
l*******G
发帖数: 1191
168
LOL, yes, the cost of health care is high, and it is high because doctors
etc work force are rich republicans! and they refuse to make a change for
middle class. I say we fund medical schools federally and make more doctors!
Then the health care cost will be lowered.

it,

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why you still dont get it!
: the problem for healthcare is the cost is too high!!! not because you dont
: have insurance.
: why cost is too high?
: ask the regulations, ask the lawyers, ask doctors how much insurance they
: have to pay to cover their practice ...
: obama never intended to solve these problem, but ask us to pay more into it,
: now the question is,
: who is gonna pay for it?

A*****a
发帖数: 52743
169
obamacare will force others to pay for them.

going
victims

【在 j******6 的大作中提到】
: The truth is poor people do not pay premium but they use heath care by going
: to the emergency.
: Obamacare will force them to pay or face penalty.

j******6
发帖数: 109
170
Bush did better job than Obama by making unemployment from 4% to 10%!? I
think GOP even dare not to say that.

obama.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Why? US is not going foward with obama. Even bush did better job than obama.
: Time to change

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j******6
发帖数: 109
171
While Romney got the idea first. He's one you should be against then.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: if you can not improve it, dont make it worse. please.
: obamacare just makes everything worse.
:
: afforable

l*******G
发帖数: 1191
172
I am not seeing republicans say to triple number of medical school students
and to lower costs of medical students. Whoever is against this idea is
against the People.

【在 A*****a 的大作中提到】
: obamacare will force others to pay for them.
:
: going
: victims

j******6
发帖数: 109
173
中国人当然支持民主党. Romney只代表top1%.大多数中国人还没到那水平.虽然有的人
省吃俭用有了几块钱,就以为能和他站一起了,还是自量一点,不要把热脸往冷屁股上贴.

【在 g******s 的大作中提到】
: 实在不理解有人会发这种帖子。
: 中国人大多是中产阶级,怎么会有中国人支持民主党,脑袋进水了。
: 大家如果都有医保了,医院和诊所就象中国一样,人山人海,排队叫号。劳模,老黑躺
: 着都有医保,和中产阶级一起看病,大家都玩完了。你要支持社会主义,支持大锅饭,
: 鼓励劳模,老黑不工作,生孩子,吃社保医保,你就投民主党。
: 问问加拿大中产阶级,看看他们喜欢全民医保么?你就明白了。
: 民主党要给非法移民绿卡,共和党要给高学历的人绿卡。
: 中国人,你支持谁?

l*******G
发帖数: 1191
174
Another way is let's make all doctors civil servants, so that their pay/
income must be administrated, and their practice insurance is covered by
government, then they have no excuse for buying high private practice
insurance. Oh,yeah, the lawyers will lose their job.
g***y
发帖数: 1025
175
总结的经典!

【在 s**********e 的大作中提到】
: 民主党的政策,按照推理,就是:
: 提供大量的社会福利,尽量搞坏经济,这样越来越多的人只有靠政府的福利,永远投民
: 主党的票。

j******6
发帖数: 109
176
因为他为了到GOP支持,不得不韦心说假话.

【在 v*********n 的大作中提到】
: 问个问题,为什么罗姆尼在麻州搞全民医保,到了美国却反对奥巴马的全民医保?
A*****a
发帖数: 52743
177
你完全可以把这个逻辑用到你的日常生活里。
找房买房的时候别去富人区(贴人家冷屁股),要去贫民窟劳苦大众那里去,
找工作别去大公司(去贴人家冷屁股),要去贫民区做义工。

贴.
黑躺
饭,

【在 j******6 的大作中提到】
: 中国人当然支持民主党. Romney只代表top1%.大多数中国人还没到那水平.虽然有的人
: 省吃俭用有了几块钱,就以为能和他站一起了,还是自量一点,不要把热脸往冷屁股上贴.

j******6
发帖数: 109
178
你可能想和Romney住一区.I bet you can not afford it.

【在 A*****a 的大作中提到】
: 你完全可以把这个逻辑用到你的日常生活里。
: 找房买房的时候别去富人区(贴人家冷屁股),要去贫民窟劳苦大众那里去,
: 找工作别去大公司(去贴人家冷屁股),要去贫民区做义工。
:
: 贴.
: 黑躺
: 饭,

g***y
发帖数: 1025
179
你以为支持OB就不是热脸贴PG了?人家代表的是老黑和老莫的利益,你要是皮肤木有那
么黑也不要自动往里站了。

贴.

【在 j******6 的大作中提到】
: 中国人当然支持民主党. Romney只代表top1%.大多数中国人还没到那水平.虽然有的人
: 省吃俭用有了几块钱,就以为能和他站一起了,还是自量一点,不要把热脸往冷屁股上贴.

j******6
发帖数: 109
180
Obama is richer than most chinese here, and his mother is white. How do you
assume he represents mexican and black only. Please stop discrimination in
public forum.

【在 g***y 的大作中提到】
: 你以为支持OB就不是热脸贴PG了?人家代表的是老黑和老莫的利益,你要是皮肤木有那
: 么黑也不要自动往里站了。
:
: 贴.

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x*****0
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美国医疗费高的拫源是因为美国医生通过医生工会限制医生人数, 人为造成医生短缺,
来提高医生工资. 再不允许非处方药。打去charity free care. 任何医疗改革不觧除
医生工会对医生人数的控制都是徒劳的.

students

【在 l*******G 的大作中提到】
: I am not seeing republicans say to triple number of medical school students
: and to lower costs of medical students. Whoever is against this idea is
: against the People.

y****t
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你知道医生每年光买行业保险要花多少钱吗?

,

【在 x*****0 的大作中提到】
: 美国医疗费高的拫源是因为美国医生通过医生工会限制医生人数, 人为造成医生短缺,
: 来提高医生工资. 再不允许非处方药。打去charity free care. 任何医疗改革不觧除
: 医生工会对医生人数的控制都是徒劳的.
:
: students

M******3
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中产的定义很关键
x*****0
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芝加哥大学保险有一个调查malpractice保险费用只占美国医生收入10%, 美国人花在汽
车保险上费用是malpractice保险费用好几倍也没有造成开车危机.

,

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你知道医生每年光买行业保险要花多少钱吗?
:
: ,

d****t
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支持楼主! 选Obama! 50岁左右的人最最担心的就是医疗保险, 离Medicare还有15年,
万一被解雇, 再找到新工作的机会会减少很多, 比如如今的IT民工们, 上了50岁就是待
宰的羔羊. 美国在这方面里发达国家的普遍标准差多了!
d****t
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EXACTLY! 美国如果就copy加拿大就能解决问题! 但是美国太多的blood suckers, 既得
利益者太powerful了, 从医生工会, 到保险公司...

only

【在 j******6 的大作中提到】
: Obamacare saves money in long run. Look at Canada, health care cost is only
: 11% GDP, in US it is 18% now. That is why Romney started it first in MA to
: prepare for his President bid, but Obama stolen Romney's idea.

d****t
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with Obamacare, in 2014, private individuals will be able to purchase good
insurance policies only available to big companies in the exchange program.
Vote for Obama and you won't go bankrupt if you got chronic disease like 乙
肝 and lose your job in your 50s, like more than 10% or Chinese here in the
US.
m******n
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Tom Baker吧,U Penn的法学教授,不是芝大的。
开车当然有危机,卡特当总统时汽车停在加油站门口排长队,08年纳税人拿钱去救的也
是汽车工业

【在 x*****0 的大作中提到】
: 芝加哥大学保险有一个调查malpractice保险费用只占美国医生收入10%, 美国人花在汽
: 车保险上费用是malpractice保险费用好几倍也没有造成开车危机.
:
: ,

c********s
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正解。

【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 支持楼主! 选Obama! 50岁左右的人最最担心的就是医疗保险, 离Medicare还有15年,
: 万一被解雇, 再找到新工作的机会会减少很多, 比如如今的IT民工们, 上了50岁就是待
: 宰的羔羊. 美国在这方面里发达国家的普遍标准差多了!

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