c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 1 只有选择ron paul才有意义。
选择一个共和党的侯赛因就如同选择侯赛因这个民主党的小布什一样，
Romney backers leery of Ron Paul effort to audit the Fed
By Julie Hirscfeld Davis
Bloomberg News staff
Wed, 08/08/2012 - 11:43pm
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In this photo taken Aug. 8, 2012, Republican presidential candidate, former
Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney campaigns in Des Moines, Iowa. Welfare is
causing a ruckus in the presidential campaign, but the program is a shadow
of its old self in the 1970s, when Ronald Reagan used the image of “welfare
queens” against government poverty programs promoted by liberals. (AP
Photo/Charles Dharapak)
In this photo taken Aug. 8, 2012, Republican presidential candidate, former
Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney campaigns in Des Moines, Iowa. Welfare is
causing a ruckus in the presidential campaign, but the program is a shadow
of its old self in the 1970s, when Ronald Reagan used the image of “welfare
queens” against government poverty programs promoted by liberals. (AP
Photo/Charles Dharapak)
WASHINGTON - Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke calls it his "nightmare
scenario." One of Mitt Romney’s top economic advisers called it "trouble."
Yet as they look to their national convention starting in Tampa on Aug. 27,
Republicans are considering including a plank in their party platform
calling for a full audit of the central bank.
Prodded by the failed primary bid of longtime Fed critic Ron Paul - and the
grassroots enthusiasm the Texas congressman’s cause inspired among bail-out
weary tea party activists and small government advocates - Republicans are
entertaining a prospect that has long made them and some of their financial
supporters cringe.
Paul, in an interview, warned that if Romney’s backers resist the effort,
it could result in a politically distracting and messy fight in front of the
national media. "It’s good economics and it’s good legislation, but it’s
also good politics, because 80 percent of the American people agree with it
," Paul said. If Republican leaders "exclude it, I would think some of my
supporters would be annoyed and feel strongly enough to take it to the floor
under the rules."
Romney’s position on the issue is murky. While he says he backs a Fed audit
, he has not formally endorsed Paul’s legislation - which mandates a
Government Accountability Office audit of the Fed that includes
deliberations on changes to the benchmark interest rate - nor the effort to
include it in the party’s messaging document to be hammered out before its
formal adoption at the Republican National Convention.
"My own view is that we should audit the Fed and that the actions of the Fed
should be open for the review of Congress and the understanding of the
American people," the presumed Republican nominee told reporters Friday.
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul declined repeated requests to divulge Romney
’s stance on a Fed audit that would include monetary policy.
On July 25, on a 327-98 vote - with just one Republican dissenting - the
House passed the legislation. While it’s not likely to become law,
supporters of Paul and his son Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who will speak at the
convention, say they’re ready to instigate a potentially divisive floor
fight if they are snubbed by Republican leaders crafting the platform.
"I can’t imagine, politically speaking, that the Romney campaign, which is
pushing the direction of the platform, would want to risk any type of debate
or contention on the floor of the convention on this," said Christopher
Stearns, 25, a delegate from Portsmouth, Va., who is leading the Paul forces
’ platform efforts. "I would be more than happy to lead a debate on the
floor to make sure this is brought up."
It’s unclear how successful the effort will be, and party officials are
reluctant to discuss the matter publicly.
"I have absolutely no idea what’s going on with the platform," former New
Hampshire Gov. John Sununu, R, a Romney surrogate who heads the convention’
s powerful Rules Committee, said, declining to discuss the matter further.
Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, a vice presidential prospect for Romney who is
heading the Platform Committee, told the Washington Times last week that the
Fed audit was part of ongoing discussions, adding that Paul and his son
have "a lot of great ideas."
The Platform Committee is scheduled to meet Aug. 19-21 in Tampa, Fla., to
come up with a proposal to present to the convention the following week.
Former Republican National Committee Chairman Haley Barbour said while there
’s nothing wrong with auditing the Fed’s transactions and accounts, it
would be "objectionable" for the party to go on record in support of giving
Congress access to statements and deliberations in the bank’s meetings.
"I don’t want Congress controlling the money supply or usurping the
authority of the Fed - I can’t think of a group that I would less rather
have do that, just because they’re politicians and this is not about
politics," Barbour said in an interview. "I do not think any group would put
purity on issues like this in front of victory."
The very fact that the prospect of including a Fed audit plank in the
platform is on the table illustrates the degree to which Romney’s allies
are trying to harness, rather than openly defy, grassroots support for Paul
at the convention.
On the platform committee website that the Republican Party launched last
month, proposals to audit the Federal Reserve are among the most popular.
Paul supporters say they’ve gotten little resistance as they pitch the idea
to fellow delegates around the country. Several state Republican parties,
including those in Idaho, Iowa, Nevada, Texas and Wisconsin, have platforms
calling for an audit or elimination of the Fed.
Romney has chosen his words on the issue carefully, stopping short of siding
with Paul even as he cozies up to the retiring congressman and his
supporters.
When the House passed the measure last month, Romney posted on the social
media site Twitter: "Ron Paul’s ’Audit The Fed’ bill is a reminder of his
tireless efforts to promote sound money and a more transparent Federal
Reserve."
Romney’s rhetoric on the issue has shifted considerably from two years ago,
when the former Massachusetts governor noted that the Fed is already
subject to audit by an independent firm - and rejected any move that could
lead to Congress dictating to the central bank.
"Well, the Federal Reserve is audited, I presume, by independent auditors,"
Romney told a questioner who stopped him on the street in Manchester, N.H.,
in August 2010 and asked his position on Paul’s legislation, according to a
video clip of the exchange circulating on the Internet. "The question is
really, should the Congress oversee the Federal Reserve, and it does to a
certain extent, but I do not want to have the Congress calling the shots for
the Federal Reserve."
That’s the "nightmare scenario" Bernanke sketched out for Congress at a
July 18 hearing, when he said he was concerned about the prospect that a
lawmaker who disagreed with a Fed chairman’s decision to raise interest
rates could call for an audit in order to second-guess the decision.
"I think that would have a chilling effect, and would prevent the Fed from
operating on the apolitical, independent basis that is so important, in
which experience shows is likely to lead to a low-inflation healthy currency
kind of economy," Bernanke told the House Financial Services Committee.
Glenn Hubbard, the dean of the Columbia Business School who is one of Romney
’s lead economic advisers, expressed similar concerns in a July 2009
opinion piece published in the Wall Street Journal, in which he called Paul
’s measure a "bad bill," and said of Congress’s efforts to wield more
oversight of the Fed: "This is trouble."
"The Fed must above all maintain its political independence in conducting
monetary policy," Hubbard wrote in his article, co-authored by Harvard
University finance professor Hal Scott, a former American Stock Exchange
governor, and Brookings Institution Chairman John Thornton, a former Goldman
Sachs executive.
Some of Romney’s biggest financial backers share the view. Sander Gerber of
Hudson Bay Capital, who attended a June 28 fundraiser for Romney at New
York’s Pierre Hotel as well as one in Jerusalem July 30, and has given more
than $30,000 over the past year to his campaign and the Republican Party,
said some of the central bank’s operations should not be open to audit.
"I believe the Fed’s effectiveness hinges on its ability to be apolitical,"
Gerber said, adding that he had not studied the issue thoroughly. At the
same time, it must "represent the interests of the people. Some things
should be audited, other things not."
Other Romney allies say they expect the platform committee to finesse the
issue in a way that satisfies Paul and avoids a public feud without ceding
the power to dictate the party’s message to a candidate who didn’t earn
enough delegates to contend for the nomination.
"They will find a way that accommodates some of his concerns and recognizes
that he worked hard and ran a good campaign that struck a chord with people,
" said Steve Duprey, a New Hampshire Republican National Committee man. "But
if you lose, you don’t get to write the platform - that’s the way this
works."
— With assistance from Joshua Zumbrun in Washington每下愈况。 | c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 2 支持侯赛因和支持弱木尼的人，都对此视而不见哑口无言，很说明问题。
呵呵 | l******a
发帖数: 3803 | 3
Both sides stay quiet, but the republicans with a deep sigh.
Have to admit that the country has gone so far in left, the only
practical hope for the taxpayers is someone electable to just
bring the change to the white house. Beyond that, nobody dares
to dream a dream.
【在 c******i 的大作中提到】
: 支持侯赛因和支持弱木尼的人，都对此视而不见哑口无言，很说明问题。
: 呵呵
| c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 4 我不认为目前共和党比民主党好。弱木尼其实就是共和党的侯赛因，换不换人没有意义
。只有坚持选择ron paul才有意义。只有让弱木尼彻底失败，才能让共和党明白，跟民
主党抢屎吃是没有出路的。
paul ryan的所谓budget plan只是幌子。
发信人: chichazi (吃叉子), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 边缘化Ron Paul：美国实质反普世的证据 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 16 13:06:50 2012, 美东)
米国两党都在不遗余力地推行大政府，并且把大政府做为更有效的操纵和剥削民众的平
台和工具。
ron paul是真正代表米国立国者和宪法精神的民选政治家，是真正倡导个人独立自由的
理想主义者，所以他成为了大利益集团和权欲熏心的精英法西斯份子的眼中钉肉中刺。
【在 l******a 的大作中提到】
:
: Both sides stay quiet, but the republicans with a deep sigh.
: Have to admit that the country has gone so far in left, the only
: practical hope for the taxpayers is someone electable to just
: bring the change to the white house. Beyond that, nobody dares
: to dream a dream.
| l******a
发帖数: 3803 | 5
on paper all these look pretty good as far as it goes.
However, the political demography strikes the chord hard.
Once into an assistance system, the beneficiaries will be next to impossible
to be led out! This is the fundamental cause that has already brought down
Greece and without much check in place will certainly destroy America. As
long as each person has an equal ballot at hand, there is no solution that
can be adopted and congress will not pass it. Look at the black mobs. And
ballots do buy them political power, and they have their proxies in congress
that pass budget and do earmarks, entitlement.
If I were a dictator, I would absolutely have Ron Paul as the guy to fulfill
his financial responsibility act in a manner that no sugar-mouthed
political whore every dreams of.
Again, back to reality.
You know Obama would do to buy ballots:
keep bloating national budget to feed his lazy people,
open borders for illegal immigrants.
All these will become his voters base.
These people have already outgrew taxpayers.
Not long will we see a country that taxpayers become minority and they still
are obliged to pay for lazy people's benefit in all levels.
As long as there is a policy making doomsday situation happen, there is no
hope that an individual would stand in the way of its demolition.
Of course, this planet is about to come to an end and all we can do is slow
it down so in our life we still enjoy a bit of fruity life of our own.
【在 c******i 的大作中提到】
: 我不认为目前共和党比民主党好。弱木尼其实就是共和党的侯赛因，换不换人没有意义
: 。只有坚持选择ron paul才有意义。只有让弱木尼彻底失败，才能让共和党明白，跟民
: 主党抢屎吃是没有出路的。
: paul ryan的所谓budget plan只是幌子。
: 发信人: chichazi (吃叉子), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Re: 边缘化Ron Paul：美国实质反普世的证据 (转载)
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 16 13:06:50 2012, 美东)
: 米国两党都在不遗余力地推行大政府，并且把大政府做为更有效的操纵和剥削民众的平
: 台和工具。
: ron paul是真正代表米国立国者和宪法精神的民选政治家，是真正倡导个人独立自由的
| c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 6 我很理解你和其他支持弱木尼的人的心情，这也是我当初面对小布什和侯赛因的比较时
的情绪。
但是，经历了这么多教训之后，面对事实，我们要仔细分析，不能让表面的情绪和恐惧
欺骗了我们，让我们再次陷入两党的共同陷阱。
你所列举的种种危险，根源在哪里？根源不是简单的民主党或共和党，而是FED和华尔
街。
不解决FED这个终极boss，支持两党中的任何一个傀儡，对于现实问题没有任何实质帮
助。而事实表明，弱木尼和侯赛因没有区别，都是FED的傀儡，那么选弱木尼如何解决
你列举的种种你认为是侯赛因造成的问题？其实侯赛因也是听FED干这些事的。
如果没有其他选择也就闭眼算了，但是现在ron paul指出了解决这些问题并消除恐惧的
办法，audit FED，那么我们可以支持ron paul，而非缘木求鱼负薪救火选侯赛因第二-
-弱木尼。
这个基本逻辑一定要搞明白。就好比两个流氓打架争夺洗劫你的权力，你选哪个胜出，
对你自己的利益有什么好处？
impossible
down
congress
fulfill
【在 l******a 的大作中提到】
:
: on paper all these look pretty good as far as it goes.
: However, the political demography strikes the chord hard.
: Once into an assistance system, the beneficiaries will be next to impossible
: to be led out! This is the fundamental cause that has already brought down
: Greece and without much check in place will certainly destroy America. As
: long as each person has an equal ballot at hand, there is no solution that
: can be adopted and congress will not pass it. Look at the black mobs. And
: ballots do buy them political power, and they have their proxies in congress
: that pass budget and do earmarks, entitlement.
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