y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 1 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html
President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority
over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for
Americans, a White House official said here today.
左棍useful idiots这把也给揍蒙了.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vie
lol... |
g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 2 民主和自由是矛盾的。
政府的作用是在民主和自由之间balancing.
实名制我觉得并不惊世骇俗。说不定实名制会大大促进社会进步和经济发展也未可知。
facebook对google一个很大优势就是基本上是实名制的。
能产生惊世骇俗的结果的，是你用实名制作了什么，打算做什么。
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html
President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority
over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for
Americans, a White House official said here today.
左棍useful idiots这把也给揍蒙了.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vie
lol...
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html
: President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority
: over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for
: Americans, a White House official said here today.
: 左棍useful idiots这把也给揍蒙了.
: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vie
: lol...
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 3 Not true.
In real world, nobody knows what everyone has bought, no one can keep track
of what everyone has said. On
Internet, if they can force you to use one singl identity and can trace back
and collect your whole activity history, the
pressure on each person's behavior will be enormous. This forum will not
exist anymore. Internet as we know will
die.
【在 g****t 的大作中提到】
: 民主和自由是矛盾的。
: 政府的作用是在民主和自由之间balancing.
: 实名制我觉得并不惊世骇俗。说不定实名制会大大促进社会进步和经济发展也未可知。
: facebook对google一个很大优势就是基本上是实名制的。
: 能产生惊世骇俗的结果的，是你用实名制作了什么，打算做什么。
:
: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html
: President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority
: over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for
: Americans, a White House official said here today.
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 4 你觉的obama会是要干什么?
lol...
【在 g****t 的大作中提到】
: 民主和自由是矛盾的。
: 政府的作用是在民主和自由之间balancing.
: 实名制我觉得并不惊世骇俗。说不定实名制会大大促进社会进步和经济发展也未可知。
: facebook对google一个很大优势就是基本上是实名制的。
: 能产生惊世骇俗的结果的，是你用实名制作了什么，打算做什么。
:
: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html
: President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority
: over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for
: Americans, a White House official said here today.
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 5 do you think the camera on streets are there for nothing?
do you think SSN is only designed for statistical purposes?
Uncle Sam is watching you, dude. forget about your illusion
of freedom, you don't have it.
track
back
知。
authority
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Not true.
: In real world, nobody knows what everyone has bought, no one can keep track
: of what everyone has said. On
: Internet, if they can force you to use one singl identity and can trace back
: and collect your whole activity history, the
: pressure on each person's behavior will be enormous. This forum will not
: exist anymore. Internet as we know will
: die.
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l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 6 你们这是弱智啊？给每人一个网络trusted id，又不是说你只能用这个id。 |
T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 7 True.
But is it sustainable?
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: do you think the camera on streets are there for nothing?
: do you think SSN is only designed for statistical purposes?
: Uncle Sam is watching you, dude. forget about your illusion
: of freedom, you don't have it.
:
: track
: back
: 知。
: authority
|
g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 8 更多限制同时也是更多一致性的internet完全有可能产生良好的经济效果,
说不定搞出来.com泡沫第二也未可知.
但人们是不是愿意放弃隐私/自由,去追求这种结果.
这是个trade off问题.
这要专家来研究.
听到实名制这三个字就反对,不合适.
True.
But is it sustainable?
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: True.
: But is it sustainable?
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 9 美国其实远没有中国自由.信用卡消费记录了你最重要的活动.
do you think the camera on streets are there for nothing?
do you think SSN is only designed for statistical purposes?
Uncle Sam is watching you, dude. forget about your illusion
of freedom, you don't have it.
track
back
知。
authority
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: do you think the camera on streets are there for nothing?
: do you think SSN is only designed for statistical purposes?
: Uncle Sam is watching you, dude. forget about your illusion
: of freedom, you don't have it.
:
: track
: back
: 知。
: authority
|
T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 10 More restriction will result in better economic efficiency?
How would you know what to restrict, what not to? Who give you the right to
restrict anything?
Who decides what is economic efficiency? Who gets to decide how much
efficiency is created by restriction? Who
will enforce the restriction? The Government? More government employees to
tell us what and how we should do
things? And that is suppose to result in efficiency. What government agency
has given us better economic efiency?
Any example? Don't tell the Federal Reserve! HA HA!
【在 g****t 的大作中提到】
: 更多限制同时也是更多一致性的internet完全有可能产生良好的经济效果,
: 说不定搞出来.com泡沫第二也未可知.
: 但人们是不是愿意放弃隐私/自由,去追求这种结果.
: 这是个trade off问题.
: 这要专家来研究.
: 听到实名制这三个字就反对,不合适.
:
: True.
: But is it sustainable?
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 11 Credit card does not capture a lot of activities. Nobody has to use credit
cards. Better yet, you don't even have to
use paper money for economic activities.
【在 g****t 的大作中提到】
: 美国其实远没有中国自由.信用卡消费记录了你最重要的活动.
:
: do you think the camera on streets are there for nothing?
: do you think SSN is only designed for statistical purposes?
: Uncle Sam is watching you, dude. forget about your illusion
: of freedom, you don't have it.
: track
: back
: 知。
: authority
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 12 不如你去骂democrateunderground的弱智吧.
舔八马舔到你这份上,也算是前无古人了.
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
: 你们这是弱智啊？给每人一个网络trusted id，又不是说你只能用这个id。
|
l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 13
我看你是反巴马疯掉了。新闻哪里讲上网只能用这个实名id了？
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 不如你去骂democrateunderground的弱智吧.
: 舔八马舔到你这份上,也算是前无古人了.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 14 you can always choose to use your real name and give out your SSN, who is
stopping you?
why force others to do it?
I think you are crazy.
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
:
: 我看你是反巴马疯掉了。新闻哪里讲上网只能用这个实名id了？
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 15 我看你是舔八马舔疯掉了.
主流媒体新闻还说了,obama健保还能cutting cost, 降低保费呢,让你keep现在的健保.
结果呢? blueshield premium up 59%.
你Y这种useful idiots不给共产八马操死,老天没眼.
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
:
: 我看你是反巴马疯掉了。新闻哪里讲上网只能用这个实名id了？
|
c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 16 define "sustainable"
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: True.
: But is it sustainable?
|
T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 17 continue to fool people into believing that they are sacrificing their
rights to pursuit of happiness for peace and justice.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: define "sustainable"
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 18 then it is sustainable before our lives end
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: continue to fool people into believing that they are sacrificing their
: rights to pursuit of happiness for peace and justice.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 19 explain T-Party!
explain 2010!
your life maybe, if you choose to!
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: then it is sustainable before our lives end
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 20 you can elect all 50 states to republican plus the president
then you have more freedom? lol
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: explain T-Party!
: explain 2010!
: your life maybe, if you choose to!
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|
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 21 if you read me clearly, that's exactly i am against.
we want check n balance.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: you can elect all 50 states to republican plus the president
: then you have more freedom? lol
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 22 it is pretty amused to see that you do believe that
the powers and capitals will fight against each other
(a.k.a. check and balance)
to benefit the sheeple
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: if you read me clearly, that's exactly i am against.
: we want check n balance.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 23 Ok, please repeat what do i believe and tell me why it is amusing.
I have been very consistent on what i believe, because it has been history
proven and have worked very well so far as the best possible compare to
others.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: it is pretty amused to see that you do believe that
: the powers and capitals will fight against each other
: (a.k.a. check and balance)
: to benefit the sheeple
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 24 by the way, i dont expect santa claus, as you do.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Ok, please repeat what do i believe and tell me why it is amusing.
: I have been very consistent on what i believe, because it has been history
: proven and have worked very well so far as the best possible compare to
: others.
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 25 so you agree that my interpretation of your belief in last post
(quoted below) is truly what you think? :)
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Ok, please repeat what do i believe and tell me why it is amusing.
: I have been very consistent on what i believe, because it has been history
: proven and have worked very well so far as the best possible compare to
: others.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 26 i have been very consistent.
i believe check n balance has been so far working the better than others.
i believe capitalism works better than socialism.
what do you believe?
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: so you agree that my interpretation of your belief in last post
: (quoted below) is truly what you think? :)
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 27 i know prisoner's dilemma (a.k.a. check & balance)
can happen between powers and capitals, but more often
in the general population.
i don't believe any -ism things. those are purely
propaganda to let people to fight against each other
if you choose to believe one, you'll think yours is superior
and hate the other and fight against other people.
then your power is wasted, the powerful people can rip you off
more easily.
history shows, there's no free lunch. how much
power you own, how much benefits you enjoy. it is illusional
that powerful players fights each other and benefit the weaker ones.
that's the wishful thinking.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: i have been very consistent.
: i believe check n balance has been so far working the better than others.
: i believe capitalism works better than socialism.
: what do you believe?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 28 that's exactly what i am talking about, nothing works for you, because you
are looking for sth idealistic like santa claus and nothing is idealistic.
that makes you cynical and the shit guts to bash everything else.
meanwhile, someone like me take the reality and pick the best which works
for
me.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: i know prisoner's dilemma (a.k.a. check & balance)
: can happen between powers and capitals, but more often
: in the general population.
: i don't believe any -ism things. those are purely
: propaganda to let people to fight against each other
: if you choose to believe one, you'll think yours is superior
: and hate the other and fight against other people.
: then your power is wasted, the powerful people can rip you off
: more easily.
: history shows, there's no free lunch. how much
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 29 There is so much contradiction in your thinking.
You believe powerful people will rip you off, but you are not against giving
them power?
How does your brain work?
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: i know prisoner's dilemma (a.k.a. check & balance)
: can happen between powers and capitals, but more often
: in the general population.
: i don't believe any -ism things. those are purely
: propaganda to let people to fight against each other
: if you choose to believe one, you'll think yours is superior
: and hate the other and fight against other people.
: then your power is wasted, the powerful people can rip you off
: more easily.
: history shows, there's no free lunch. how much
|
c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 30 lol, people are powerful not because you or me give them power
they own things, the deep root of private ownership give them power
this is the very foundation of capitalism
you are welcome to stay in your dream that left and right are
against each other, electing an alternative can make you better off. :)
giving
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: There is so much contradiction in your thinking.
: You believe powerful people will rip you off, but you are not against giving
: them power?
: How does your brain work?
|
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 31 Wealth are created by people. When the creators are able to keep the
wealth they have created, more people will
work hard to create wealth, so the human race grow wealthier. If the wealth
is redistributed away from the wealth
creators, wealth creators will be discouraged from creating wealth. Hence a
system that protects private wealth will
thrive.
The governments power to redistribute wealth is given by the voters. The
more the government redistributes, the less
the wealth.
Simple, right?
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: lol, people are powerful not because you or me give them power
: they own things, the deep root of private ownership give them power
: this is the very foundation of capitalism
: you are welcome to stay in your dream that left and right are
: against each other, electing an alternative can make you better off. :)
:
: giving
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 32 you are truly the one stupid.
A simple example, they get the power through the votes, like healthcare bill
, the useful idiots keep voting the wrong guys thinking they own them, they
are screwed.
not only they are screwed, they drag everyone else into this.
That's why there was the last November, the better check n balance as a result greatly prevent the progress for those people keep grabing the power.
freedom is one generation away from extinction.
Now, either you stand up do sth meaningful, or you shut up and mind your own
bisiness.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: lol, people are powerful not because you or me give them power
: they own things, the deep root of private ownership give them power
: this is the very foundation of capitalism
: you are welcome to stay in your dream that left and right are
: against each other, electing an alternative can make you better off. :)
:
: giving
|
c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 33 i completely agree with you that "if" the creators are able to
keep the wealth, the world would be so much better
however, the reality is, creators of wealth, coz they spend
so much time and energy to create things, are weak to defend
themselves. so the way to be wealthier is to rob and steal,
exploit and lie.
government is only an agency, a frontdesk, a tool,
think a little deeper, who is behind the government,
you'll find where your money goes.
wealth
a
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Wealth are created by people. When the creators are able to keep the
: wealth they have created, more people will
: work hard to create wealth, so the human race grow wealthier. If the wealth
: is redistributed away from the wealth
: creators, wealth creators will be discouraged from creating wealth. Hence a
: system that protects private wealth will
: thrive.
: The governments power to redistribute wealth is given by the voters. The
: more the government redistributes, the less
: the wealth.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 34 why you still dont understand?
government Is a tool and the founding fathers of this country already helped
to guide us through constitution that dont give government too much power.
it really does not matter who is behind government, as long as the power of
government is restrained.
all we sheeple need to do is to try our best to restrain the power of
government.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: i completely agree with you that "if" the creators are able to
: keep the wealth, the world would be so much better
: however, the reality is, creators of wealth, coz they spend
: so much time and energy to create things, are weak to defend
: themselves. so the way to be wealthier is to rob and steal,
: exploit and lie.
: government is only an agency, a frontdesk, a tool,
: think a little deeper, who is behind the government,
: you'll find where your money goes.
:
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 35 lol, you are still in the illusion that the votes
"give" power to Uncle Sam
sorry, little sheeple, your vote does not count.
both obama and palin work for Uncle Sam, whoever elected
America runs on capitals, not votes.
capitals make America strong and make you work hard
like a mule, what does your vote do? change obama to palin? lol
you are just a good sheeple that plays the game that
Uncle Sam wants you to play. :) left or right, your choice
you can keep your faith on "check and balance" or whatever
they want you to believe, and be a good sheeple.
just remember people did tell you the truth. :)
bill
they
result greatly prevent the progress for those people keep grabing the power.
own
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you are truly the one stupid.
: A simple example, they get the power through the votes, like healthcare bill
: , the useful idiots keep voting the wrong guys thinking they own them, they
: are screwed.
: not only they are screwed, they drag everyone else into this.
: That's why there was the last November, the better check n balance as a result greatly prevent the progress for those people keep grabing the power.
: freedom is one generation away from extinction.
: Now, either you stand up do sth meaningful, or you shut up and mind your own
: bisiness.
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 36 you are so brain washed by the fairy tales
go read some serious history books, not books that describe
George Washington like red treasure books describe Mao, Zedong
geeze, i just know that you still in the fantasy of idol-worship, lol
the government is as powerful as the power behind it.
if anyone wants to restrain it, show equal power, not votes
helped
of
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why you still dont understand?
: government Is a tool and the founding fathers of this country already helped
: to guide us through constitution that dont give government too much power.
: it really does not matter who is behind government, as long as the power of
: government is restrained.
: all we sheeple need to do is to try our best to restrain the power of
: government.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 37 这就跟打牌一样,拿到一手的烂牌是常态,你要做的不是破罐子破摔,而是想办法把损失
减小到最小.
you are one heck of pathetic loser. period.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: lol, you are still in the illusion that the votes
: "give" power to Uncle Sam
: sorry, little sheeple, your vote does not count.
: both obama and palin work for Uncle Sam, whoever elected
: America runs on capitals, not votes.
: capitals make America strong and make you work hard
: like a mule, what does your vote do? change obama to palin? lol
: you are just a good sheeple that plays the game that
: Uncle Sam wants you to play. :) left or right, your choice
: you can keep your faith on "check and balance" or whatever
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 38 you have to understand what is amercian exceptionalism.
all you losers try to do is to surrender without even a fight,
you are pathetic losers.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: you are so brain washed by the fairy tales
: go read some serious history books, not books that describe
: George Washington like red treasure books describe Mao, Zedong
: geeze, i just know that you still in the fantasy of idol-worship, lol
: the government is as powerful as the power behind it.
: if anyone wants to restrain it, show equal power, not votes
:
: helped
: of
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 39 before i point out, you are still in the illusion of
begging for their "check and balance" :)
sorry to make you angry and bad mouth on me. hard feelings.
the way to reveal and accept reality is always hard,
but through this way, you learn to gain your power and
protect yourself.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 这就跟打牌一样,拿到一手的烂牌是常态,你要做的不是破罐子破摔,而是想办法把损失
: 减小到最小.
: you are one heck of pathetic loser. period.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 40 Open up your freaking eyes!
November happened, it is not my delusion.
If you keep your loser atitude, nothing gonna happen. That's what i said,
either man up do sth meaningful and positve, or shut up mind your own
business.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: before i point out, you are still in the illusion of
: begging for their "check and balance" :)
: sorry to make you angry and bad mouth on me. hard feelings.
: the way to reveal and accept reality is always hard,
: but through this way, you learn to gain your power and
: protect yourself.
|
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 41 :) to accept the reality is always hard at the begining.
your bad mouth is a proof of inconfidence :)
at least now you know what is truly useful to fight
against government and the one behind the government
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you have to understand what is amercian exceptionalism.
: all you losers try to do is to surrender without even a fight,
: you are pathetic losers.
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 42 you are angry, and angry is a solid sign of lacking of confidence :)
and you need American exceptionalism to defend your logic :)
learn more about history and politics, you will understand
what i said :)
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Open up your freaking eyes!
: November happened, it is not my delusion.
: If you keep your loser atitude, nothing gonna happen. That's what i said,
: either man up do sth meaningful and positve, or shut up mind your own
: business.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 43 I am not angry, i am very happy,
because we fight and we get results e.g. we pay less tax this year.
you are angry because everyone now realizes that after all you are just one pathetic loser.
lol...
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: you are angry, and angry is a solid sign of lacking of confidence :)
: and you need American exceptionalism to defend your logic :)
: learn more about history and politics, you will understand
: what i said :)
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 44 Agree. He is a loser and he wants everyone else to be a loser.
one pathetic loser.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: I am not angry, i am very happy,
: because we fight and we get results e.g. we pay less tax this year.
: you are angry because everyone now realizes that after all you are just one pathetic loser.
: lol...
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 45 lol, bad mouth shows weakness inside, dear
it is very amused to see people like you to be happy about
a situation like this: you create 100 bucks, they take 95 away
now they say, "we only want 90", then you are happy.
the fancier part is, you believe this 5 bucks are
gained by your "fight" or votes. :)
i love your attitude of self-compliment. but,
if you ever heard the story of monkeys in the idiom: 朝三暮四
do you think the monkey's complaining change anything? :)
go gain some real thing and stop dreaming about the
left bites right, right bites left game. and stop telling bold
lies about "founding fathers" or whatever "american exceptionalism".
that's as disgusting as the lies in cultural revolution.
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Agree. He is a loser and he wants everyone else to be a loser.
:
: one pathetic loser.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 46 早就知道你会这么回.
对你来说,吃不着的葡萄是酸的.
lol...
it is not 5 bucks. it is $4000 bucks at least.
And yes, we are very happy about it.
You are so angry and pathetic
that you can not get this money, while we can.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: lol, bad mouth shows weakness inside, dear
: it is very amused to see people like you to be happy about
: a situation like this: you create 100 bucks, they take 95 away
: now they say, "we only want 90", then you are happy.
: the fancier part is, you believe this 5 bucks are
: gained by your "fight" or votes. :)
: i love your attitude of self-compliment. but,
: if you ever heard the story of monkeys in the idiom: 朝三暮四
: do you think the monkey's complaining change anything? :)
: go gain some real thing and stop dreaming about the
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b*********d
发帖数: 3539 | 47 对于你邻居，你同事，你老板，哪怕你老婆，你说什么他都无权知道，他也确实无法知
道。
对于你家政府，你基本上就是个光屁股的裸男。你长几根毛都瞒不过。你知道的他知道
，你不知道的他也知道。
你一个大顺民，政府没功夫没闲钱搭理你罢了。
track
back
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Not true.
: In real world, nobody knows what everyone has bought, no one can keep track
: of what everyone has said. On
: Internet, if they can force you to use one singl identity and can trace back
: and collect your whole activity history, the
: pressure on each person's behavior will be enormous. This forum will not
: exist anymore. Internet as we know will
: die.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 48 starve the beast so it has no resources to intrude into our lives, that is
exactly the point!
we won!
you lose!
【在 b*********d 的大作中提到】
: 对于你邻居，你同事，你老板，哪怕你老婆，你说什么他都无权知道，他也确实无法知
: 道。
: 对于你家政府，你基本上就是个光屁股的裸男。你长几根毛都瞒不过。你知道的他知道
: ，你不知道的他也知道。
: 你一个大顺民，政府没功夫没闲钱搭理你罢了。
:
: track
: back
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b*********d
发帖数: 3539 | 49 right, you win again.
is
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: starve the beast so it has no resources to intrude into our lives, that is
: exactly the point!
: we won!
: you lose!
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 50 Only the first victory in this cycle.
More will come.
Go bite dust!
【在 b*********d 的大作中提到】
: right, you win again.
:
: is
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