c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 1 Recent news articles have brought to light the fact that almost 47% of
households in the US currently have zero or negative federal tax liability.
We take a closer look at this lack of liability across each income level,
highlighting the percentage in each range that will not pay any taxes. Also
shown is a full breakdown of who is paying the bulk of all taxes collected
by the Federal Government each year. |
c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 2 To explain the graph:
The income levels on the far left have arbitrary break points for general
simplicity. AND, THEY DO NOT CORRESPOND to the population percentiles on the
right hand side of the tall graph, which have different, unstated,
breakpoints..
The horizontal colored bands represent the portion of the tax returns in
that income band.
The hashed areas represent the percent in the income band that do NOT pay
any taxes. The circle with the # inside of it represents is the percent of
the ta |
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 3 Points:
1. To collect taxes effectively, tax the rich, over 200K.
2. Middle class is NOT the biggest contributors. They thought they were
bullied by the poor and rich. So they are wrong.
3. Retired (25%) do not have much incomes. Laid-offers (10%) do not have
much incomes. Military (5%). Students (5%). Thats 45% of the population
already. Of course, it is exaggerated and these population overlap and some
of these people do pay taxes.
4. Everyone does pay gas tax, sales tax, etc. The who
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: To explain the graph:
: The income levels on the far left have arbitrary break points for general
: simplicity. AND, THEY DO NOT CORRESPOND to the population percentiles on the
: right hand side of the tall graph, which have different, unstated,
: breakpoints..
: The horizontal colored bands represent the portion of the tax returns in
: that income band.
: The hashed areas represent the percent in the income band that do NOT pay
: any taxes. The circle with the # inside of it represents is the percent of
: the ta
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 4 If the 45% of the population unionize like the federal workers, state
employees and demand annual 5% salary increase and fat pension funds, they
would pay more taxes.
If they can determine their salaries like the CEOs or the Congress, they
would pay more taxes.
When they are exploited to earn just enough to put the food on the plates,
they are to be blamed?
some
people
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Points:
: 1. To collect taxes effectively, tax the rich, over 200K.
: 2. Middle class is NOT the biggest contributors. They thought they were
: bullied by the poor and rich. So they are wrong.
: 3. Retired (25%) do not have much incomes. Laid-offers (10%) do not have
: much incomes. Military (5%). Students (5%). Thats 45% of the population
: already. Of course, it is exaggerated and these population overlap and some
: of these people do pay taxes.
: 4. Everyone does pay gas tax, sales tax, etc. The who
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 5 if you dont want to be exploited by private companies, you sit at home or
street as you wish.
but if you dont want to be exploited by gov, you are being jailed with
someone else giving you ahole love everyday.
this is the difference.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: If the 45% of the population unionize like the federal workers, state
: employees and demand annual 5% salary increase and fat pension funds, they
: would pay more taxes.
: If they can determine their salaries like the CEOs or the Congress, they
: would pay more taxes.
: When they are exploited to earn just enough to put the food on the plates,
: they are to be blamed?
:
: some
: people
|
c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 6 I will not argue with anyone on the facts, unless he understands the meaning
of core American values of Self-reliance, Individual Responsibility and
Fairness. |
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 7 Raise to tax to the rich and make the world a fairer place.
Talk about nonsense. Bush wanted to privatize social security under these
slogans. It would be a disaster.
The ownership society promoted by Bush under these slogans becomes the butt
of the joke.
Righties love slogans. They ignore the facts.
Government is the solution, not the problem.
meaning
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: I will not argue with anyone on the facts, unless he understands the meaning
: of core American values of Self-reliance, Individual Responsibility and
: Fairness.
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 8 Core values also include helping the ones in need. And the majority agrees.
Thats why we have social security, medicare, and now the UHC. You are
holding the minority point of view. You kiss the asses of the rich and are
used as the useful idiot. And you are not part of them. If you do make
200k a year, then higher tax to you!!!! It is happening.......
Go obama go, Tax HIM!!!!
meaning
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: I will not argue with anyone on the facts, unless he understands the meaning
: of core American values of Self-reliance, Individual Responsibility and
: Fairness.
|
a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 9 There should be no tax. Inflation is already a tax on everyone.
Instead, the government should simply sell debt and print money for its operations, which is the majority of the government's revenue source already. However, all debt should be in inflation-adjusted terms, including the government's bonds. That solves all problems about tax fairness, and size of government:
Everybody pays using their idle dollars for what they vote for. Labor is not
penalized, investment is not penalized, saving is |
a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 10 You are wrong. The rich should not be taxed more on income. Instead they
should pay with inflation on their unproductive assets.
Furthermore, there should not be an estate tax, but any estate should be
escrowed and not be useable until retirement by the offsprings.
agrees.
are
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Core values also include helping the ones in need. And the majority agrees.
: Thats why we have social security, medicare, and now the UHC. You are
: holding the minority point of view. You kiss the asses of the rich and are
: used as the useful idiot. And you are not part of them. If you do make
: 200k a year, then higher tax to you!!!! It is happening.......
: Go obama go, Tax HIM!!!!
:
: meaning
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 11 I prefer GOLD standard, eliminate fraction reserve, zero income tax, but
with a sales tax on all consumptions. That way inflation will be limited and
the results will be small government because nobody would vote for tax
increases. However, there should be minimum social safety net to protect
people incapable (mentally or physically) of productive activities.
operations, which is the majority of the government's revenue source already
. However, all debt should be in inflation-adjusted terms, i
【在 a****t 的大作中提到】
: There should be no tax. Inflation is already a tax on everyone.
: Instead, the government should simply sell debt and print money for its operations, which is the majority of the government's revenue source already. However, all debt should be in inflation-adjusted terms, including the government's bonds. That solves all problems about tax fairness, and size of government:
: Everybody pays using their idle dollars for what they vote for. Labor is not
: penalized, investment is not penalized, saving is
|
a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 12 As long as debt is inflation adjusted, it doesn't matter what standard, it's
all the same.
Tax on consumption is a terrible idea, unless it is public policy to limit
national consumption for some reason. My point is a government that is also
a currency sovereign does not rely on tax receipt (otherwise, how can it
have a budget deficit in the first place?) So there is absolutely no reason
to collect tax for revenue reasons. For policy reasons, maybe, like promote
this or penalize that, but that's
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: I prefer GOLD standard, eliminate fraction reserve, zero income tax, but
: with a sales tax on all consumptions. That way inflation will be limited and
: the results will be small government because nobody would vote for tax
: increases. However, there should be minimum social safety net to protect
: people incapable (mentally or physically) of productive activities.
:
: operations, which is the majority of the government's revenue source already
: . However, all debt should be in inflation-adjusted terms, i
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 13 Eliminate is a verb.
Minimum is a noun.
Minimal is the adj.
These ideas have been floating for a long time. We all know we need to fix
the tax system, the health care system. But we cant agree on how.
By the end of the day, lets just have a drink and forget about all this BS.
Buy a home and enjoy it. Go on a safari trip and blow off some money.
The rich gets their breaks.
The middle-class gets mortgage write-off, 401, 529, HSA, Roth.
The poor gets to rob everyone else.
Everybody gets somet
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: I prefer GOLD standard, eliminate fraction reserve, zero income tax, but
: with a sales tax on all consumptions. That way inflation will be limited and
: the results will be small government because nobody would vote for tax
: increases. However, there should be minimum social safety net to protect
: people incapable (mentally or physically) of productive activities.
:
: operations, which is the majority of the government's revenue source already
: . However, all debt should be in inflation-adjusted terms, i
|
T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 14 what do you mean idle asset? if it is idle, it is not asset.
Government needs revenue to procure good or service to be consumed in its
function, so real asset/wealth will have to come from working people's labor
. no matter how you call it, it is a fruit of labor. the only issue is how
to extract it that will do the least damage to economic activities.
Our fruit of labor goes into two usage: consumption and investment.
Investment increases future productivity so our own future and our childre
【在 a****t 的大作中提到】
: As long as debt is inflation adjusted, it doesn't matter what standard, it's
: all the same.
: Tax on consumption is a terrible idea, unless it is public policy to limit
: national consumption for some reason. My point is a government that is also
: a currency sovereign does not rely on tax receipt (otherwise, how can it
: have a budget deficit in the first place?) So there is absolutely no reason
: to collect tax for revenue reasons. For policy reasons, maybe, like promote
: this or penalize that, but that's
|
a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 15 Idle is a relative term. The most idle asset is uncirculated money. If it's
not consumed, then it should be invested and invested in the most productive
enterprises. Therefore, inflation is the most fair way to extract wealth
from people, because it will start to tax you from the most unproductive use
of money up to the most productive, with current consumption coming last (
which is untaxed).
See, any tax is a tax on wealth. Consumption is an expenditure. It can't be
"taxed". What you are sayin
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: what do you mean idle asset? if it is idle, it is not asset.
: Government needs revenue to procure good or service to be consumed in its
: function, so real asset/wealth will have to come from working people's labor
: . no matter how you call it, it is a fruit of labor. the only issue is how
: to extract it that will do the least damage to economic activities.
: Our fruit of labor goes into two usage: consumption and investment.
: Investment increases future productivity so our own future and our childre
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 16 NAIVE.
Goods is a noun. Good is an adj.
Do me a favor. Do a spelling check. Correct the underlined. Software marks
the spelling errors for you already. This may make people think you are
smart.
labor
how
children
consumtion
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: what do you mean idle asset? if it is idle, it is not asset.
: Government needs revenue to procure good or service to be consumed in its
: function, so real asset/wealth will have to come from working people's labor
: . no matter how you call it, it is a fruit of labor. the only issue is how
: to extract it that will do the least damage to economic activities.
: Our fruit of labor goes into two usage: consumption and investment.
: Investment increases future productivity so our own future and our childre
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 17 Correct me if I am wrong.
I am reading your chart:
The middle class of the middle 35% of the population pays 25% of the tax.
The 10% rich pays 60%.
It proves my points:
1. Middle class is the major beneficiaries of the current system.
2. Squeezing more taxes off the rich gives you 1000% more taxes while
pissing off the same number of people. Let alone wealthiest actually want to
pay more and can afford to pay more. (Only a few rich wannabes hate tax
increases for the rich).
3. The propagand
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: I will not argue with anyone on the facts, unless he understands the meaning
: of core American values of Self-reliance, Individual Responsibility and
: Fairness.
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 18 People on this board are all rich wannabes. The rich do not have time to bs
here.
to
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Correct me if I am wrong.
: I am reading your chart:
: The middle class of the middle 35% of the population pays 25% of the tax.
: The 10% rich pays 60%.
: It proves my points:
: 1. Middle class is the major beneficiaries of the current system.
:
: 2. Squeezing more taxes off the rich gives you 1000% more taxes while
: pissing off the same number of people. Let alone wealthiest actually want to
: pay more and can afford to pay more. (Only a few rich wannabes hate tax
|
e***s
发帖数: 1397 | 19 wow... I had always thought liberals are a bunch of hypocrites. Now I have
to say I was wrong - you are a living proof that liberals are truly stupid.
to
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Correct me if I am wrong.
: I am reading your chart:
: The middle class of the middle 35% of the population pays 25% of the tax.
: The 10% rich pays 60%.
: It proves my points:
: 1. Middle class is the major beneficiaries of the current system.
:
: 2. Squeezing more taxes off the rich gives you 1000% more taxes while
: pissing off the same number of people. Let alone wealthiest actually want to
: pay more and can afford to pay more. (Only a few rich wannabes hate tax
|
k*s
发帖数: 512 | 20 就是一个行为艺术的傻逼，大家犯得着和它争么？
和那傻逼atxt一样。 |
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w***s
发帖数: 4394 | 21 跟你说过很多次了，200k是典型的中产收入，500k以上才能叫做rich。
some
people
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Points:
: 1. To collect taxes effectively, tax the rich, over 200K.
: 2. Middle class is NOT the biggest contributors. They thought they were
: bullied by the poor and rich. So they are wrong.
: 3. Retired (25%) do not have much incomes. Laid-offers (10%) do not have
: much incomes. Military (5%). Students (5%). Thats 45% of the population
: already. Of course, it is exaggerated and these population overlap and some
: of these people do pay taxes.
: 4. Everyone does pay gas tax, sales tax, etc. The who
|
q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 22 Nah...America no longer has those values.
They are ... a long time back old values. New value is...
diversity and always "other" people's fault. :)
meaning
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: I will not argue with anyone on the facts, unless he understands the meaning
: of core American values of Self-reliance, Individual Responsibility and
: Fairness.
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 23 Correct me if I am wrong.
Lets talk based on facts.
From the LZ's chart. Isnt 5% families make over 200K? Middle means middle.
5% is upper class.
You are already in the upper class. You are the target of the tax increase.
Tax you and spread the wealth.
【在 w***s 的大作中提到】
: 跟你说过很多次了，200k是典型的中产收入，500k以上才能叫做rich。
:
: some
: people
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 24 I can see why you claim top 5% earners are middle class. If I compare me
with my friends, I am in the middle too.
A lot of them do make over 500K a year.
Talk about out of touch.
Here is a joke.
Before the French revolution, folks didnt have breads to eat. The queen
asked why they dont just have cakes.
【在 w***s 的大作中提到】
: 跟你说过很多次了，200k是典型的中产收入，500k以上才能叫做rich。
:
: some
: people
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 25 1. 如果top 1%的平均工资是top 1%-5%平均工资的5倍、10倍，而top 1%-5%平均只是
top 5%-50%平均的2倍，这个5%就根本没有意义，因为实际上和top 50%在一个级别中。
2. top 5%赚多少不能这么算的，首先和生活地区的消费水平、税收有关，应当按当地
PPP计算。
3. 最要命的，这种按收入排名的方法根本不合理也不说明问题，完全隐藏了资产对top
1%和福利对lower class的重要性。正因为有现存税法这种不良的distortion，应当在
收入的基础上再加入benefit的经济价值，也要加入unrealized asset return。这样一
来，大多工薪族的$200k完全就是中产一点没错。 |
j******a
发帖数: 1582 | 26 500K应该还是Henry(High Earner Not Rich Yet)吧
这个1%里面是不是应该继续细分到0.1%
然后还有个税率的问题
前1%付出了40%的所得税
但这些税占他们收入的百分之几？
和其他收入的人比，这个比例是高还是低？
.
Also
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: Recent news articles have brought to light the fact that almost 47% of
: households in the US currently have zero or negative federal tax liability.
: We take a closer look at this lack of liability across each income level,
: highlighting the percentage in each range that will not pay any taxes. Also
: shown is a full breakdown of who is paying the bulk of all taxes collected
: by the Federal Government each year.
|
Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 27 Then why are you taking the wrong side?
连中国老笑话都改用French的了，有必要么?
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: I can see why you claim top 5% earners are middle class. If I compare me
: with my friends, I am in the middle too.
: A lot of them do make over 500K a year.
: Talk about out of touch.
: Here is a joke.
: Before the French revolution, folks didnt have breads to eat. The queen
: asked why they dont just have cakes.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 28 Money in its self is not a productive asset,
wealth is wealth only if it produces goods or services that people use.
s
productive
use
be
does
why
【在 a****t 的大作中提到】
: Idle is a relative term. The most idle asset is uncirculated money. If it's
: not consumed, then it should be invested and invested in the most productive
: enterprises. Therefore, inflation is the most fair way to extract wealth
: from people, because it will start to tax you from the most unproductive use
: of money up to the most productive, with current consumption coming last (
: which is untaxed).
: See, any tax is a tax on wealth. Consumption is an expenditure. It can't be
: "taxed". What you are sayin
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 29 So tax unproductive asset, don't tax productive assets like labor and
investments.
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Money in its self is not a productive asset,
: wealth is wealth only if it produces goods or services that people use.
:
: s
: productive
: use
: be
: does
: why
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 30 Idle Asset is an Oxymoran. Idle meaning it does not produces anything that
can be consumed or invested. Tax only comes from aggregated fruit of labor,
which is either consumed or invested. The taxed portion goes into
investment(infrastructure) or consumed (paid to public employees liks police
and teachers).
money only represents a claim on somebody's fruit of labor, by government
mendate(fiat money such as dollar Euro or RM), or traditional general
acceptance as mediam of exchange(such as she
【在 a****t 的大作中提到】
: So tax unproductive asset, don't tax productive assets like labor and
: investments.
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w***s
发帖数: 4394 | 31 200k是标准的工薪阶层收入(两个人每人100k而已)，这些人是每月拿paycheck的，绝大
部分是被人剥削的打工族，只是多读了些书，多了些professional技能而已(比如软工
，比如教授)。这样怎么就变成富人了？怎么就要被惩罚了？难道是要惩罚读书多？惩
罚professional？还是惩罚老婆不在家却出去工作？
这世界上，什么时候完全不占有生产资料的无产者，因为多拿了点工资就变成富人了？？？
middle.
increase.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Correct me if I am wrong.
: Lets talk based on facts.
: From the LZ's chart. Isnt 5% families make over 200K? Middle means middle.
: 5% is upper class.
: You are already in the upper class. You are the target of the tax increase.
: Tax you and spread the wealth.
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B*D
发帖数: 5016 | 32 应该把你发配到东莞的工厂里面做一个月的奴隶
你才知道你现在的这一切来之不易
拿着这样的工资，享受着这样的低物价
还整天嫌美国政府不干事，还觉得自己被惩罚
一个外来移民，享受到资本主义一点超额利润了，就开始吹胡子瞪眼，抱怨自己的穷苦
的工薪阶层，抱怨这个，抱怨那个
你想要啥，圣诞老人？
还是没有税没有政府的乌托邦？
？？？
【在 w***s 的大作中提到】
: 200k是标准的工薪阶层收入(两个人每人100k而已)，这些人是每月拿paycheck的，绝大
: 部分是被人剥削的打工族，只是多读了些书，多了些professional技能而已(比如软工
: ，比如教授)。这样怎么就变成富人了？怎么就要被惩罚了？难道是要惩罚读书多？惩
: 罚professional？还是惩罚老婆不在家却出去工作？
: 这世界上，什么时候完全不占有生产资料的无产者，因为多拿了点工资就变成富人了？？？
:
: middle.
: increase.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 33 不要发配了.
估计这样共产要不了二十年,你我中产都没工作破产了.想做奴隶都没人要.
中国想当年不就是这样的.你们小孩子哪里知道.
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: 应该把你发配到东莞的工厂里面做一个月的奴隶
: 你才知道你现在的这一切来之不易
: 拿着这样的工资，享受着这样的低物价
: 还整天嫌美国政府不干事，还觉得自己被惩罚
: 一个外来移民，享受到资本主义一点超额利润了，就开始吹胡子瞪眼，抱怨自己的穷苦
: 的工薪阶层，抱怨这个，抱怨那个
: 你想要啥，圣诞老人？
: 还是没有税没有政府的乌托邦？
:
: ？？？
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 34 The chart says the 95% of the AGI is below 200K no matter how you spin it.
True, You can put in 32K in 401K. 10K in flex account. so it is roughly
250K pretax income.
If your family makes over 250K, you are rich, period.
But even the rich is feeling left behind, because the very top makes much
more.
If you make 500K, you will hang out with people who make 10M a year. And
you feel poor and think you are just middle class. What a joke.
top
【在 a****t 的大作中提到】
: 1. 如果top 1%的平均工资是top 1%-5%平均工资的5倍、10倍，而top 1%-5%平均只是
: top 5%-50%平均的2倍，这个5%就根本没有意义，因为实际上和top 50%在一个级别中。
: 2. top 5%赚多少不能这么算的，首先和生活地区的消费水平、税收有关，应当按当地
: PPP计算。
: 3. 最要命的，这种按收入排名的方法根本不合理也不说明问题，完全隐藏了资产对top
: 1%和福利对lower class的重要性。正因为有现存税法这种不良的distortion，应当在
: 收入的基础上再加入benefit的经济价值，也要加入unrealized asset return。这样一
: 来，大多工薪族的$200k完全就是中产一点没错。
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B*D
发帖数: 5016 | 35 不用悲观
大国之间的较量，至少以10年为周期
国内当年的下岗我当然知道。
美帝会进入加息周期，把在中国等地的美元流动性回收到国内，
中国的泡沫会破掉，到时候还是只能为美帝打工
至于你担心的社会主义共产，不还有共和党茶叶党么？
又不是说明天共和党就要被取缔了
中期选举也许还能回来。
而且这个国家根本不是什么选民的民主
而是众多利益集团的民主制衡，大资本还是掌握核心利益的
懒人反不了天，我一点不担心
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 不要发配了.
: 估计这样共产要不了二十年,你我中产都没工作破产了.想做奴隶都没人要.
: 中国想当年不就是这样的.你们小孩子哪里知道.
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 36 You still don't understand me. I don't care that tax comes from a claim on
the unconsumed fruits of prior labor. That's exactly where it must come from
, of course. I just don't want it to be indexed to the amount of current
labor or investment or consumption, all of which are good for the economy.
That's stupid, don't you think? Give me one good reason why it should be indexed that way.
Instead, the tax should be taken from the least utilized unconsumed fruits equally across all people. Inflati
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Idle Asset is an Oxymoran. Idle meaning it does not produces anything that
: can be consumed or invested. Tax only comes from aggregated fruit of labor,
: which is either consumed or invested. The taxed portion goes into
: investment(infrastructure) or consumed (paid to public employees liks police
: and teachers).
: money only represents a claim on somebody's fruit of labor, by government
: mendate(fiat money such as dollar Euro or RM), or traditional general
: acceptance as mediam of exchange(such as she
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 37 There might be tax deduction, but the chart includes investment income as
well, so it is a wash.
Think why Obama uses a cutoff of 250K to tax? 95% or more make less than
250K.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: The chart says the 95% of the AGI is below 200K no matter how you spin it.
: True, You can put in 32K in 401K. 10K in flex account. so it is roughly
: 250K pretax income.
: If your family makes over 250K, you are rich, period.
: But even the rich is feeling left behind, because the very top makes much
: more.
: If you make 500K, you will hang out with people who make 10M a year. And
: you feel poor and think you are just middle class. What a joke.
:
: top
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 38 There might be tax deduction, but the chart includes investment income as
well, so it is a wash.
Think why Obama uses a cutoff of 250K to tax? 95% or more make less than
250K.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: The chart says the 95% of the AGI is below 200K no matter how you spin it.
: True, You can put in 32K in 401K. 10K in flex account. so it is roughly
: 250K pretax income.
: If your family makes over 250K, you are rich, period.
: But even the rich is feeling left behind, because the very top makes much
: more.
: If you make 500K, you will hang out with people who make 10M a year. And
: you feel poor and think you are just middle class. What a joke.
:
: top
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 39 下岗那个已经是全面抛弃共产了.
如果当年有工作,老毛还用号召知识青年上山下乡?
你看看欧洲,你看看美国,为什么年青人没工作?
可叹一帮无知脑残还在跟着民主党后面闹共产,useful idiots.
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: 不用悲观
: 大国之间的较量，至少以10年为周期
: 国内当年的下岗我当然知道。
: 美帝会进入加息周期，把在中国等地的美元流动性回收到国内，
: 中国的泡沫会破掉，到时候还是只能为美帝打工
: 至于你担心的社会主义共产，不还有共和党茶叶党么？
: 又不是说明天共和党就要被取缔了
: 中期选举也许还能回来。
: 而且这个国家根本不是什么选民的民主
: 而是众多利益集团的民主制衡，大资本还是掌握核心利益的
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 40 I have a friend who complains about 600K bonus. They thought they are poor
because all their friends are making millions. What a joke.
【在 w***s 的大作中提到】
: 跟你说过很多次了，200k是典型的中产收入，500k以上才能叫做rich。
:
: some
: people
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 41 this is a freaking fix number, you idiot.
just like amt.
you never think about future, dont you?
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: There might be tax deduction, but the chart includes investment income as
: well, so it is a wash.
: Think why Obama uses a cutoff of 250K to tax? 95% or more make less than
: 250K.
:
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 42 we are complaining being taxed too much, not poor.
can you read by the way?
poor
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: I have a friend who complains about 600K bonus. They thought they are poor
: because all their friends are making millions. What a joke.
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B*D
发帖数: 5016 | 43 要平衡
现在国内那么多奴隶工，低收入，没内需就好了？
恩，对美国的资本是好了
年轻人没工作，只能进入低收入服务业，很正常
工作都是国外低成本奴隶在做
真正有技术人，哪怕是外来移民不也还能找到工作？
类似wings这样的id不还能理直气壮的说200k是标准收入？
你认为这个低技术人士长期失业是共产造成的？？
你认为你不交税这个钱去创业，能解决美国蓝领工人的失业问题？
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 下岗那个已经是全面抛弃共产了.
: 如果当年有工作,老毛还用号召知识青年上山下乡?
: 你看看欧洲,你看看美国,为什么年青人没工作?
: 可叹一帮无知脑残还在跟着民主党后面闹共产,useful idiots.
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 44 You think Ph.Ds and Masters are middle class? Why do we bother to study
after high school?
？？？
【在 w***s 的大作中提到】
: 200k是标准的工薪阶层收入(两个人每人100k而已)，这些人是每月拿paycheck的，绝大
: 部分是被人剥削的打工族，只是多读了些书，多了些professional技能而已(比如软工
: ，比如教授)。这样怎么就变成富人了？怎么就要被惩罚了？难道是要惩罚读书多？惩
: 罚professional？还是惩罚老婆不在家却出去工作？
: 这世界上，什么时候完全不占有生产资料的无产者，因为多拿了点工资就变成富人了？？？
:
: middle.
: increase.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 45 美国低技术人士长期失业就是共产造成的.
你有共产工会在那里挡着,最后把GM都给搞死了.
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: 要平衡
: 现在国内那么多奴隶工，低收入，没内需就好了？
: 恩，对美国的资本是好了
: 年轻人没工作，只能进入低收入服务业，很正常
: 工作都是国外低成本奴隶在做
: 真正有技术人，哪怕是外来移民不也还能找到工作？
: 类似wings这样的id不还能理直气壮的说200k是标准收入？
: 你认为这个低技术人士长期失业是共产造成的？？
: 你认为你不交税这个钱去创业，能解决美国蓝领工人的失业问题？
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 46 Do you know what AGI is?
If you have amassed a large amount of wealth invested, you will have no
realized income except for the amount you take for consumption. In terms of
"income" this makes the person go well below 95 percentile, but is this
person rich or poor?
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: The chart says the 95% of the AGI is below 200K no matter how you spin it.
: True, You can put in 32K in 401K. 10K in flex account. so it is roughly
: 250K pretax income.
: If your family makes over 250K, you are rich, period.
: But even the rich is feeling left behind, because the very top makes much
: more.
: If you make 500K, you will hang out with people who make 10M a year. And
: you feel poor and think you are just middle class. What a joke.
:
: top
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B*D
发帖数: 5016 | 47 没工会，蓝领也无法和奴隶竞争
该失去的工作照样会失去
丰田的供应商的生产基地是否大部分不在美国境内？
低技术+劳动密集型的，能外包的都外包了
高技术+劳动密集型的，解决不了蓝领就业
搞生产的，首先想到的是这个部件能否弄到中国去生产
我接触的一家上海的金属加工厂，帮芝加哥两家人做医疗器材，本来别人的厂主力在美国
结果趁着金融危机，把生产全部转移到上海来了
你说这个是共产造成的？
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 美国低技术人士长期失业就是共产造成的.
: 你有共产工会在那里挡着,最后把GM都给搞死了.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 48 孩子,别凹了.
一个丰田,一个GM.一个没工会,一个有工会.
你以为美国汽车零件商没有工会?
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: 没工会，蓝领也无法和奴隶竞争
: 该失去的工作照样会失去
: 丰田的供应商的生产基地是否大部分不在美国境内？
: 低技术+劳动密集型的，能外包的都外包了
: 高技术+劳动密集型的，解决不了蓝领就业
: 搞生产的，首先想到的是这个部件能否弄到中国去生产
: 我接触的一家上海的金属加工厂，帮芝加哥两家人做医疗器材，本来别人的厂主力在美国
: 结果趁着金融危机，把生产全部转移到上海来了
: 你说这个是共产造成的？
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B*D
发帖数: 5016 | 49 没看懂你的逻辑
你的意思是说，如果没有工会，GM等汽车企业就能竞争过丰田，就能维持美国蓝领工人的
就业？
而且除了汽车制造，那么多由于外包丧失的工作都是共产工会？
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 孩子,别凹了.
: 一个丰田,一个GM.一个没工会,一个有工会.
: 你以为美国汽车零件商没有工会?
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 50 Ph.D. or MS is an investment. There is a lot of lost income or even loans in
the earlier part of life, so there is a risk as with all investments. Some
never make it back. Others, those who succeeded and make $200K per household
are barely compensating themselves for their earlier loss of income. If you
are going to disincentivize high income, then you will kill all risk taking
, self-betterment, and enterprise, then you are right, fewer people will
bother to study after high school.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: You think Ph.Ds and Masters are middle class? Why do we bother to study
: after high school?
:
: ？？？
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 51 Middle class underpays their 'fair' share.
READ THE CHART!!!!
40% of the TRUE middle class: making 38000 to 150000 pays only 25% of the
tax.
If you pay too much tax, thats because you dont belong to middle class. And
no sympathy for you. More TAX to those who make more than 250K a year!!!!!
Go obama GO!!!!!!!!!
Btw, My family is at the border line. When I start working, we will make
over 500K a year. And I am for more tax to my class.
Better to make a million and get taxed than living on we
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: we are complaining being taxed too much, not poor.
: can you read by the way?
:
: poor
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 52 GM倒闭了和全体外包不是一回事？GM就是外包给丰田了，然后你们每个税人现在养着这
些工会的人什么都不做。
人的
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: 没看懂你的逻辑
: 你的意思是说，如果没有工会，GM等汽车企业就能竞争过丰田，就能维持美国蓝领工人的
: 就业？
: 而且除了汽车制造，那么多由于外包丧失的工作都是共产工会？
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 53 老公是吃政府funding的叫兽.你Y一个子不挣.
等你拿到了这个数再出来叫唤吧.
And
!!
my
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Middle class underpays their 'fair' share.
: READ THE CHART!!!!
: 40% of the TRUE middle class: making 38000 to 150000 pays only 25% of the
: tax.
: If you pay too much tax, thats because you dont belong to middle class. And
: no sympathy for you. More TAX to those who make more than 250K a year!!!!!
: Go obama GO!!!!!!!!!
: Btw, My family is at the border line. When I start working, we will make
: over 500K a year. And I am for more tax to my class.
: Better to make a million and get taxed than living on we
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 54 If you want to volunteer to pay tax, you can pay more. Who cares? That's
called charity.
And
!!
my
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Middle class underpays their 'fair' share.
: READ THE CHART!!!!
: 40% of the TRUE middle class: making 38000 to 150000 pays only 25% of the
: tax.
: If you pay too much tax, thats because you dont belong to middle class. And
: no sympathy for you. More TAX to those who make more than 250K a year!!!!!
: Go obama GO!!!!!!!!!
: Btw, My family is at the border line. When I start working, we will make
: over 500K a year. And I am for more tax to my class.
: Better to make a million and get taxed than living on we
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 55 原来是叫兽啊，有铁饭碗的都属于变相有巨大资产的，因为cash flow有保障。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 老公是吃政府funding的叫兽.你Y一个子不挣.
: 等你拿到了这个数再出来叫唤吧.
:
: And
: !!
: my
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 56 I know, his pension will be 200K a year. What a deal.
【在 a****t 的大作中提到】
: 原来是叫兽啊，有铁饭碗的都属于变相有巨大资产的，因为cash flow有保障。
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 57 If it is unconsumed/unconsumible, it is waste of labor, not fruit of labor.
if nobody wants it, it has no value and cant be indexed or taxed because
nobody wants it. God help, use consistant logic.
from
indexed that way.
equally across all people. Inflation exactly does that.
【在 a****t 的大作中提到】
: You still don't understand me. I don't care that tax comes from a claim on
: the unconsumed fruits of prior labor. That's exactly where it must come from
: , of course. I just don't want it to be indexed to the amount of current
: labor or investment or consumption, all of which are good for the economy.
: That's stupid, don't you think? Give me one good reason why it should be indexed that way.
: Instead, the tax should be taken from the least utilized unconsumed fruits equally across all people. Inflati
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 58 dont count on it. it is underfunded and there is not enough future tax
revenue to support it. therefore it will be reduced. Dream on.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: I know, his pension will be 200K a year. What a deal.
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 59 Are you kidding me? Of course there can be unconsumed fruits of labor, since
I am talking about consumption by YOU. Your excess labor (with respect to YOU)
that resulted in you being a net saver gets consumed by other people who are
net consumers, but you get something in return for that. You didn't do extra work
just for nothing, come on. You invest the fruit of this excess labor to be used
at a later time.
If there is government spending, then everybody needs to pay for it, but by how
much eac
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: If it is unconsumed/unconsumible, it is waste of labor, not fruit of labor.
: if nobody wants it, it has no value and cant be indexed or taxed because
: nobody wants it. God help, use consistant logic.
:
: from
: indexed that way.
: equally across all people. Inflation exactly does that.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 60 what a sucker.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: I know, his pension will be 200K a year. What a deal.
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 61 It is just a number. Who really needs 200K a year?
Besides, by the time both of us retire, we will have 100K coming in as
dividend every month.
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: dont count on it. it is underfunded and there is not enough future tax
: revenue to support it. therefore it will be reduced. Dream on.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 62 Nobody cares how much you make or you think you might make, as long as it is
not from theft or robbery.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: It is just a number. Who really needs 200K a year?
: Besides, by the time both of us retire, we will have 100K coming in as
: dividend every month.
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 63 You care. You think professors are robbers, parasites.
And coming back to the safety net issue. The true lazy bones (not the laid-
off workers) are NOT going to work. They WILL rob you and kill you if they
do not have food on the table. It costs the same to put them in jails than
providing food stamps to them.
The middle class pays less taxes than the rich. Why do you feel being
robbed? You are 'robbing' the rich. And I am all for it!!!!!
Of course, if you are one of them, then sorry, mor |
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 64 If you are not Gates, Buffet, you are a robber by default. So stop
screaming for bloody murder.
LZ's chart tells all.
The top 5% pays 60% of the taxes. If you are not one of the top 5%, you are
a robber.
Just following your logic, everyone is robbing someone up on the ladder.
The poor robs 1000 out of you. You are robbing 10000 from the rich.
Who is the bigger robber here?
So stop pretending you are innocent and stop pretending to be a victim.
Of course, if you are one of the 5%. More taxes
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: You care. You think professors are robbers, parasites.
: And coming back to the safety net issue. The true lazy bones (not the laid-
: off workers) are NOT going to work. They WILL rob you and kill you if they
: do not have food on the table. It costs the same to put them in jails than
: providing food stamps to them.
: The middle class pays less taxes than the rich. Why do you feel being
: robbed? You are 'robbing' the rich. And I am all for it!!!!!
: Of course, if you are one of them, then sorry, mor
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 65 I do not understand the logic that the low incomer are parasites , The rich
become richer because they take the biggest piece of the pie than any body
else. Besides they need commoners to execute their brilliant ideas. It is a
win win situation. The question here is who decide to divide the pie among
workers? Government or the boss? Of course without unions and regulation of
government, the boss wants as big as possible and others get peanuts. So the
government steps in to tax the rich more. The
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: If you are not Gates, Buffet, you are a robber by default. So stop
: screaming for bloody murder.
: LZ's chart tells all.
: The top 5% pays 60% of the taxes. If you are not one of the top 5%, you are
: a robber.
: Just following your logic, everyone is robbing someone up on the ladder.
: The poor robs 1000 out of you. You are robbing 10000 from the rich.
: Who is the bigger robber here?
: So stop pretending you are innocent and stop pretending to be a victim.
: Of course, if you are one of the 5%. More taxes
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 66 To protect our children's future, we have to stop the squandering and blood-
sucking, that is called human decency. Even animals know they should leave
better resources and opportunities for their offsprings. If you gave birth
to your own child, you would understand.
laid-
they
than
..
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: You care. You think professors are robbers, parasites.
: And coming back to the safety net issue. The true lazy bones (not the laid-
: off workers) are NOT going to work. They WILL rob you and kill you if they
: do not have food on the table. It costs the same to put them in jails than
: providing food stamps to them.
: The middle class pays less taxes than the rich. Why do you feel being
: robbed? You are 'robbing' the rich. And I am all for it!!!!!
: Of course, if you are one of them, then sorry, mor
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e***s
发帖数: 1397 | 67 Can I ask who made this "pie" you talk about?
If I pay to buy flour, pay a baker to make the pie for me, shouldn't I get
the whole pie? or at least most of the pie?
Now after I pay to buy the materials, after I pay the baker to make the pie,
a bunch of robbers came into my house and say, "We are entitled to 60% of
the pie because we have not had dinner yet." Don't you think it is unfair?
rich
a
of
the
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I do not understand the logic that the low incomer are parasites , The rich
: become richer because they take the biggest piece of the pie than any body
: else. Besides they need commoners to execute their brilliant ideas. It is a
: win win situation. The question here is who decide to divide the pie among
: workers? Government or the boss? Of course without unions and regulation of
: government, the boss wants as big as possible and others get peanuts. So the
: government steps in to tax the rich more. The
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 68 If you want the whole pie, you need do it all yourself. When you hire
someone, there is always a bargain process to decide how much you pay your
workers. In most likely situation, you have an idea how to make a pie and
get loans from a bank, and hire people to make the pie. The richer do not
make pies and workers do.
【在 e***s 的大作中提到】
: Can I ask who made this "pie" you talk about?
: If I pay to buy flour, pay a baker to make the pie for me, shouldn't I get
: the whole pie? or at least most of the pie?
: Now after I pay to buy the materials, after I pay the baker to make the pie,
: a bunch of robbers came into my house and say, "We are entitled to 60% of
: the pie because we have not had dinner yet." Don't you think it is unfair?
:
: rich
: a
: of
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 69 You are the biggest robber. Stop screaming for bloody murder.
Just for the sake of arguments, nobody is robing nobody when we all pay 30%
flat rate, right?
The family making 20K now does not pay a penny in taxes. With 30% flat rate
, they have to pay 6000.
You make 100K a year. After 16K of 401K deduction, 24K mortgage interest,
property tax deduction, 5K child care flex acct, 5K medical flex acct and
10K standard deduction, you have 40K income to pay tax on. So you have 6000
income tax. Wit
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: To protect our children's future, we have to stop the squandering and blood-
: sucking, that is called human decency. Even animals know they should leave
: better resources and opportunities for their offsprings. If you gave birth
: to your own child, you would understand.
:
: laid-
: they
: than
: ..
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 70 Yes!!!!!
Only the few rich wannabes are the biggest crying babies.
Stop whining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
%
rate
6000
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: You are the biggest robber. Stop screaming for bloody murder.
: Just for the sake of arguments, nobody is robing nobody when we all pay 30%
: flat rate, right?
: The family making 20K now does not pay a penny in taxes. With 30% flat rate
: , they have to pay 6000.
: You make 100K a year. After 16K of 401K deduction, 24K mortgage interest,
: property tax deduction, 5K child care flex acct, 5K medical flex acct and
: 10K standard deduction, you have 40K income to pay tax on. So you have 6000
: income tax. Wit
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 71 who the f*ck use a gun to force you make his pie? If you dont like it you quit, all your freedom.
but can i quit paying tax to make those gov suckers pie?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If you want the whole pie, you need do it all yourself. When you hire
: someone, there is always a bargain process to decide how much you pay your
: workers. In most likely situation, you have an idea how to make a pie and
: get loans from a bank, and hire people to make the pie. The richer do not
: make pies and workers do.
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 72 These people actually think Atlas the God is holding the world up, instead
of us, the hard working people.
So when we shrug, the world will sink, they will go down with it. But I
suppose it is too hard for them to understand it, NOW. That's why there is
always an upper class that will go on. Every time when the world has a major
change, they will disappear. That's why we have family legacies, that goes
on for thousands of years. They do not.
quit, all your freedom.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: who the f*ck use a gun to force you make his pie? If you dont like it you quit, all your freedom.
: but can i quit paying tax to make those gov suckers pie?
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b**u
发帖数: 1206 | 73 丫应该叫DrSaBie.
【在 k*s 的大作中提到】
: 就是一个行为艺术的傻逼，大家犯得着和它争么？
: 和那傻逼atxt一样。
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 74 The truth is the poor family making 20K which is poverty line will not only
not pay tax, but also get quite some money back.
And most family making 100K won't be buying such an expensive house to get
24K mortgage interest and property tax deduction. Because you have to pay a
lot for the principles also, that will not leave too much for other things.
More realistically, 100K earning family's effective tax rate will be about
15% now.
And why 30%? That's a crippling tax rate. Let's say everybod
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: You are the biggest robber. Stop screaming for bloody murder.
: Just for the sake of arguments, nobody is robing nobody when we all pay 30%
: flat rate, right?
: The family making 20K now does not pay a penny in taxes. With 30% flat rate
: , they have to pay 6000.
: You make 100K a year. After 16K of 401K deduction, 24K mortgage interest,
: property tax deduction, 5K child care flex acct, 5K medical flex acct and
: 10K standard deduction, you have 40K income to pay tax on. So you have 6000
: income tax. Wit
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 75 Last time I checked, Atlas was not a God.
Some people actually would look smart if they keep their mouths shut.
major
goes
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: These people actually think Atlas the God is holding the world up, instead
: of us, the hard working people.
: So when we shrug, the world will sink, they will go down with it. But I
: suppose it is too hard for them to understand it, NOW. That's why there is
: always an upper class that will go on. Every time when the world has a major
: change, they will disappear. That's why we have family legacies, that goes
: on for thousands of years. They do not.
:
: quit, all your freedom.
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 76 We can crunch numbers or we can just look at the big picture.
Most of the tax burden is on high incomers. The middle class (38K to 150K),
40% of the population, pays 25% of the taxes.
They are robbing the rich. So stop screaming for bloody murder as if they
are robbed by the poor.
only
a
things.
about
is
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: The truth is the poor family making 20K which is poverty line will not only
: not pay tax, but also get quite some money back.
: And most family making 100K won't be buying such an expensive house to get
: 24K mortgage interest and property tax deduction. Because you have to pay a
: lot for the principles also, that will not leave too much for other things.
: More realistically, 100K earning family's effective tax rate will be about
: 15% now.
: And why 30%? That's a crippling tax rate. Let's say everybod
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 77 Cannot agree with you more!
She doesn't even know Atlas the greek god. What an ignorant!
【在 b**u 的大作中提到】
: 丫应该叫DrSaBie.
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 78 How ignorant I am. I thought Atlas was a Titan.
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Cannot agree with you more!
: She doesn't even know Atlas the greek god. What an ignorant!
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 79 That is exactly the problem, because of high tax, less jobs are available,
many cannot find jobs, less people are in the middle class, and middle class
is earning less on average as a result. Lower the tax rate, there will be
more jobs, salary and wage will be higher, there will be a stronger middle
class, and they will pay a larger share of the tax combined.
When there are more and more unpaid entitlement, the tax rate will sky
rocket, the middle class may pay less and less share of the whole
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: We can crunch numbers or we can just look at the big picture.
: Most of the tax burden is on high incomers. The middle class (38K to 150K),
: 40% of the population, pays 25% of the taxes.
: They are robbing the rich. So stop screaming for bloody murder as if they
: are robbed by the poor.
:
:
: only
: a
: things.
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 80 You have been brain washed.
The rich makes you believe high tax will lead to job losses.
class
be
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: That is exactly the problem, because of high tax, less jobs are available,
: many cannot find jobs, less people are in the middle class, and middle class
: is earning less on average as a result. Lower the tax rate, there will be
: more jobs, salary and wage will be higher, there will be a stronger middle
: class, and they will pay a larger share of the tax combined.
: When there are more and more unpaid entitlement, the tax rate will sky
: rocket, the middle class may pay less and less share of the whole
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 81 you gotta have the investment money somewhere.
government get more tax, less money people will invest. unless you can pull
money somewhere else.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: You have been brain washed.
: The rich makes you believe high tax will lead to job losses.
:
: class
: be
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 82 That's the best you can come up with? Show me how high tax leads to more
jobs and higher salary then.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: You have been brain washed.
: The rich makes you believe high tax will lead to job losses.
:
: class
: be
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 83 More taxes = more education jobs, better educated work force.
More taxes = more construction jobs, high speed trains, subways.
More taxes = surplus = less borrowing from Japan/China = less trade deficits
= more jobs at home.
The fact is that Bush lowered the tax rate and we didnt go anywhere. Reagan
raised tax and put jobs in the government controlled military and we had a
few good years. Clinton raised taxes and we had a few good years after that.
Facts speak louder than hypothetical theories
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you gotta have the investment money somewhere.
: government get more tax, less money people will invest. unless you can pull
: money somewhere else.
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 84 Give me a break.
One person making $1 million and 10 people making $100k are equivalent, so
if the rich pay half the tax burden in this scenario, I don't see how this
is at all unfair, even though the poor is 90% of the population. The rich
also have most of the wealth in the country, so they generate most of the
unrealized gain. Just because it does not get reported as income doesn't
mean they do not have that income.
Try harder.
),
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: We can crunch numbers or we can just look at the big picture.
: Most of the tax burden is on high incomers. The middle class (38K to 150K),
: 40% of the population, pays 25% of the taxes.
: They are robbing the rich. So stop screaming for bloody murder as if they
: are robbed by the poor.
:
:
: only
: a
: things.
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 85 Let's see who is brain washed.
Look at New York public schools for example of more tax, more education jobs, yes, better educated work force, not so much. Even worse is the education quality. Government job = no correlation between pay and quality of work and accountability. I'd keep more of that money to save for my kids education, thank you very much.
Boston big dig anyone?
Again, you don't understand higher tax rate does not equal to more tax
revenue.
When Reagan took office, the top marg
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: More taxes = more education jobs, better educated work force.
: More taxes = more construction jobs, high speed trains, subways.
: More taxes = surplus = less borrowing from Japan/China = less trade deficits
: = more jobs at home.
: The fact is that Bush lowered the tax rate and we didnt go anywhere. Reagan
: raised tax and put jobs in the government controlled military and we had a
: few good years. Clinton raised taxes and we had a few good years after that.
: Facts speak louder than hypothetical theories
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 86 50% of the tax is spent on wars. The rest are entitlements and interest, not
to mention a huge bureaucracy with incredibly low efficiency. Education,
construction, surplus? You are dreaming.
The problem has nothing to do with Bush lowering tax. The problem is he did
not lower them enough, and he spent too much on wars instead of investing in
the domestic economy.
deficits
Reagan
a
that.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: More taxes = more education jobs, better educated work force.
: More taxes = more construction jobs, high speed trains, subways.
: More taxes = surplus = less borrowing from Japan/China = less trade deficits
: = more jobs at home.
: The fact is that Bush lowered the tax rate and we didnt go anywhere. Reagan
: raised tax and put jobs in the government controlled military and we had a
: few good years. Clinton raised taxes and we had a few good years after that.
: Facts speak louder than hypothetical theories
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 87 more education jobs = more libtards like you being produced.
lol...
deficits
Reagan
a
that.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: More taxes = more education jobs, better educated work force.
: More taxes = more construction jobs, high speed trains, subways.
: More taxes = surplus = less borrowing from Japan/China = less trade deficits
: = more jobs at home.
: The fact is that Bush lowered the tax rate and we didnt go anywhere. Reagan
: raised tax and put jobs in the government controlled military and we had a
: few good years. Clinton raised taxes and we had a few good years after that.
: Facts speak louder than hypothetical theories
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 88 I am just messing with you.
The killer whale is actually a dolphin. :-)
Atlas is an immortal and you could call him a God. But God in Greek
mythology has narrower meanings. Only Zeus and his buddies are Gods. A
titan is a God elderly, the parent generation of Gods. In another word,
Atlas is not a God in greek mythology. It is kinda funny that Atlas is the
son of a Titan. Somehow, he is not a God but Zeus is a God. In our time, we
call all deities Gods.
More fun to figure out mythology
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: How ignorant I am. I thought Atlas was a Titan.
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q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 89 of course you can.
it is called "印钞机". 左派们认为“钱”都是那里来的。
问题就全解决了。LOL.
pull
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you gotta have the investment money somewhere.
: government get more tax, less money people will invest. unless you can pull
: money somewhere else.
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q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 90 ...都说了多少次了， 左派的特点就是
“人民是好的”。
你们咋就是不看自己和人的根本区别捏？ 人就是相信人靠自觉
就好， 就行。 就能干好事。
根本区别就是这个 -- 如果人真统计上持续的能靠自觉做善事， 我明天就去参加革命军
打生打死建设共产主义， 呵呵。
jobs, yes, better educated work force, not so much. Even worse is the
education quality. Government job = no correlation between pay and quality
of work and accountability. I'd keep:
and we had a few good years.
he left office it was less than 40%. That isn't a net tax increase, but
rather it is a major net tax decrease. He raised some tax rate at some
point, bu
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: Let's see who is brain washed.
:
: Look at New York public schools for example of more tax, more education jobs, yes, better educated work force, not so much. Even worse is the education quality. Government job = no correlation between pay and quality of work and accountability. I'd keep more of that money to save for my kids education, thank you very much.
: Boston big dig anyone?
: Again, you don't understand higher tax rate does not equal to more tax
: revenue.
: When Reagan took office, the top marg
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|
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 91 My daughter thinks money is from ATM.
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: of course you can.
: it is called "印钞机". 左派们认为“钱”都是那里来的。
: 问题就全解决了。LOL.
:
: pull
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w***s
发帖数: 4394 | 92 我自己劳动自己赚钱，从一个第三世界国家的贫穷家庭，一步一步走到现在，一分钱一分钱自己攒起来的。凭什么我去当奴隶，而不是你这帮吃福利的懒虫去当奴隶？你这帮人渣不干活吃别人的，都应该送去劳改。
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: 应该把你发配到东莞的工厂里面做一个月的奴隶
: 你才知道你现在的这一切来之不易
: 拿着这样的工资，享受着这样的低物价
: 还整天嫌美国政府不干事，还觉得自己被惩罚
: 一个外来移民，享受到资本主义一点超额利润了，就开始吹胡子瞪眼，抱怨自己的穷苦
: 的工薪阶层，抱怨这个，抱怨那个
: 你想要啥，圣诞老人？
: 还是没有税没有政府的乌托邦？
:
: ？？？
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w***s
发帖数: 4394 | 93 你去好好学学资本论吧，没有资源的工薪阶层，怎么可能叫富人？因为多读书了就叫富
人了？这是哪国的逻辑？毛当年土改的时候，害死人无数，也只是划了3%为地主，你到
好，比毛还狠的多，上来就是5%是富人。
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: You think Ph.Ds and Masters are middle class? Why do we bother to study
: after high school?
:
: ？？？
|
w***s
发帖数: 4394 | 94 原来政府可以造工作出来，原来政府光靠搞基建就能造出粮食日用品来？你还是去中国
搞基建，开发房地产去吧。看看光拆房子造房子炒地皮是不是可以一直发展下去。
deficits
Reagan
a
that.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: More taxes = more education jobs, better educated work force.
: More taxes = more construction jobs, high speed trains, subways.
: More taxes = surplus = less borrowing from Japan/China = less trade deficits
: = more jobs at home.
: The fact is that Bush lowered the tax rate and we didnt go anywhere. Reagan
: raised tax and put jobs in the government controlled military and we had a
: few good years. Clinton raised taxes and we had a few good years after that.
: Facts speak louder than hypothetical theories
|
t*b
发帖数: 850 | 95 you are way wrong, aman
this talks about income tax, not sales tax. sales tax only go to local, not
federal government.
this is wealth redistribution. those people who don't pay income taxes,
rather enjoy a very decent life, not much different from those who pay taxes
except the top 1%. it is not a fair system.
some
people
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Points:
: 1. To collect taxes effectively, tax the rich, over 200K.
: 2. Middle class is NOT the biggest contributors. They thought they were
: bullied by the poor and rich. So they are wrong.
: 3. Retired (25%) do not have much incomes. Laid-offers (10%) do not have
: much incomes. Military (5%). Students (5%). Thats 45% of the population
: already. Of course, it is exaggerated and these population overlap and some
: of these people do pay taxes.
: 4. Everyone does pay gas tax, sales tax, etc. The who
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 96 右派的特点就是
Filthy rich are all great and they will give out money voluntary to build
road, educate our kids and support our local communities.
However, we do not have such good will on the filthy rich. We believe
government do much better job than the good heart of filthy rich. We believe
they steal money from our big pie like wall street CEOs. We do not like
them and do not think wall street CEO 是国家的栋梁, like the people on this
board claim.
命军
quality
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: ...都说了多少次了， 左派的特点就是
: “人民是好的”。
: 你们咋就是不看自己和人的根本区别捏？ 人就是相信人靠自觉
: 就好， 就行。 就能干好事。
: 根本区别就是这个 -- 如果人真统计上持续的能靠自觉做善事， 我明天就去参加革命军
: 打生打死建设共产主义， 呵呵。
:
: jobs, yes, better educated work force, not so much. Even worse is the
: education quality. Government job = no correlation between pay and quality
: of work and accountability. I'd keep:
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 97 Why not. Government jobs are the most secure job in the world. The police
department in every town generates enough revenues not only to support
itself but also support other services government provides. Government job
is a job and a better job and a much better job than the private industry
with good pensions. What a good deal.
【在 w***s 的大作中提到】
: 原来政府可以造工作出来，原来政府光靠搞基建就能造出粮食日用品来？你还是去中国
: 搞基建，开发房地产去吧。看看光拆房子造房子炒地皮是不是可以一直发展下去。
:
: deficits
: Reagan
: a
: that.
|
T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 98 Someone please tell this moron what the Atlas story is about.
the
we
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: I am just messing with you.
: The killer whale is actually a dolphin. :-)
: Atlas is an immortal and you could call him a God. But God in Greek
: mythology has narrower meanings. Only Zeus and his buddies are Gods. A
: titan is a God elderly, the parent generation of Gods. In another word,
: Atlas is not a God in greek mythology. It is kinda funny that Atlas is the
: son of a Titan. Somehow, he is not a God but Zeus is a God. In our time, we
: call all deities Gods.
: More fun to figure out mythology
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 99 Greek Gods told in the Greek mythology by the Greeks Are Zeus and his
buddies.
In the layman, loose, modern term, deity can all be called God.
But, when you referred Atlas as the Greek God, it is Not right.
Atlas is considered as a Titan.
Talk about someone who thought ignorant is a person.
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Someone please tell this moron what the Atlas story is about.
:
: the
: we
:
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 100 Immigrant is a person.
Ignorant is NOT.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Greek Gods told in the Greek mythology by the Greeks Are Zeus and his
: buddies.
: In the layman, loose, modern term, deity can all be called God.
: But, when you referred Atlas as the Greek God, it is Not right.
: Atlas is considered as a Titan.
: Talk about someone who thought ignorant is a person.
|
|
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C********g
发帖数: 154 | 101 You're so off the point. She was talking about <> by Ayn
Rand, idiot!
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Greek Gods told in the Greek mythology by the Greeks Are Zeus and his
: buddies.
: In the layman, loose, modern term, deity can all be called God.
: But, when you referred Atlas as the Greek God, it is Not right.
: Atlas is considered as a Titan.
: Talk about someone who thought ignorant is a person.
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h******r
发帖数: 48 | 102 I am not sure if I understand your last point, rich is exploring poor?
Top 1% rich contributed 46% tax. The reason that they get most the tax
return is because they over-prepaid them.
To have the rich carry more social responsibility should be conducted in a
way that not discouraging people from getting rich in an American way but
also nurturing the Christianity in a policy framework that is fair and
incentive.
I know that I made 2% by studying/working hard.
I like the ideas around UHC as long a
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Points:
: 1. To collect taxes effectively, tax the rich, over 200K.
: 2. Middle class is NOT the biggest contributors. They thought they were
: bullied by the poor and rich. So they are wrong.
: 3. Retired (25%) do not have much incomes. Laid-offers (10%) do not have
: much incomes. Military (5%). Students (5%). Thats 45% of the population
: already. Of course, it is exaggerated and these population overlap and some
: of these people do pay taxes.
: 4. Everyone does pay gas tax, sales tax, etc. The who
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 103 The killer whales are dolphins.
Whatever.
Knock down Atlas, and the heaven will fall down to earth.
Tax the rich, and heaven will come.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Greek Gods told in the Greek mythology by the Greeks Are Zeus and his
: buddies.
: In the layman, loose, modern term, deity can all be called God.
: But, when you referred Atlas as the Greek God, it is Not right.
: Atlas is considered as a Titan.
: Talk about someone who thought ignorant is a person.
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 104 Rich people explore the world and exploit the poor.
A security guard makes $10/hr without health benefits. This is exploitation
to me. To you, they are lazy, stupid, and well deserved. Chinese miners
barely have food on the table while being killed by inhaled dusts every day.
For whatever reason, it is all their faults. If they studied hard, worked
hard, they could be a banker too, right? The true lazy bones will not work
. If you do not hand over them food stamps, they will rob and kill
【在 h******r 的大作中提到】
: I am not sure if I understand your last point, rich is exploring poor?
: Top 1% rich contributed 46% tax. The reason that they get most the tax
: return is because they over-prepaid them.
: To have the rich carry more social responsibility should be conducted in a
: way that not discouraging people from getting rich in an American way but
: also nurturing the Christianity in a policy framework that is fair and
: incentive.
: I know that I made 2% by studying/working hard.
: I like the ideas around UHC as long a
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p***i
发帖数: 2119 | 105 I've read Ayn Rand. Such a horrible horrible writer. An Orwell wannabe, with
neither the intelligence nor the writing skills to back it up. Her writing
is better read as propaganda for capitalism, if there is ever such a thing.
【在 C********g 的大作中提到】
: You're so off the point. She was talking about <> by Ayn
: Rand, idiot!
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h******r
发帖数: 48 | 106 Talking about Toyota, do some research and compare them...
美国
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: 没工会，蓝领也无法和奴隶竞争
: 该失去的工作照样会失去
: 丰田的供应商的生产基地是否大部分不在美国境内？
: 低技术+劳动密集型的，能外包的都外包了
: 高技术+劳动密集型的，解决不了蓝领就业
: 搞生产的，首先想到的是这个部件能否弄到中国去生产
: 我接触的一家上海的金属加工厂，帮芝加哥两家人做医疗器材，本来别人的厂主力在美国
: 结果趁着金融危机，把生产全部转移到上海来了
: 你说这个是共产造成的？
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q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 107 nah, you are wrong amen
这些同学眼里钱是从“印钞机”里面出来的， 嘿嘿。
还谈啥捏。
not
taxes
have
population
【在 t*b 的大作中提到】
: you are way wrong, aman
: this talks about income tax, not sales tax. sales tax only go to local, not
: federal government.
: this is wealth redistribution. those people who don't pay income taxes,
: rather enjoy a very decent life, not much different from those who pay taxes
: except the top 1%. it is not a fair system.
:
: some
: people
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w***s
发帖数: 4394 | 108 这不就是典型的社会主义吗？全民都给政府打工，福利政府管。大家排队买面包，排队
分房子，所有产品都凭票凭本，物质极端缺乏。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Why not. Government jobs are the most secure job in the world. The police
: department in every town generates enough revenues not only to support
: itself but also support other services government provides. Government job
: is a job and a better job and a much better job than the private industry
: with good pensions. What a good deal.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 109 现在就是obama文革,共产阶级斗争的新阶段.所谓seiu/acorn thugs就是,造反派文攻武
卫的革命小将.
一帮子共产政府及其寄生虫们,在伟光正的共产旗帜下,在镇压中产sheeple的一波又一波中,产
生了新的高潮.
【在 w***s 的大作中提到】
: 这不就是典型的社会主义吗？全民都给政府打工，福利政府管。大家排队买面包，排队
: 分房子，所有产品都凭票凭本，物质极端缺乏。
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h******r
发帖数: 48 | 110 Most education funding source come from private not government.
Most efficient resource allocation and public construction are by private
You probably borrowed at much lower rate from China than possibly from
yourself.
You oversimplified Bush one, think about Greenspan in Clinton's
You got to be kidding me on Reagan one...
You reversed logic on Clinton one
Overall, your facts are simply not true facts.
deficits
Reagan
a
that.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: More taxes = more education jobs, better educated work force.
: More taxes = more construction jobs, high speed trains, subways.
: More taxes = surplus = less borrowing from Japan/China = less trade deficits
: = more jobs at home.
: The fact is that Bush lowered the tax rate and we didnt go anywhere. Reagan
: raised tax and put jobs in the government controlled military and we had a
: few good years. Clinton raised taxes and we had a few good years after that.
: Facts speak louder than hypothetical theories
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 111 Reagan sang the songs of smaller government but raised taxes to expand
defense industry.
California was drawn into recession after GOVERNMENT PAID defense industry
was blown up after cold war.
The US free way was built by the government funding.
K-12? Hello?
If we did not have free public education offered by the government funded by
tax dollars or yuans, Hello? You and your children might be still laboring
in a shitty farm or a factory.
You have benefited tremendously from socialism. And
【在 h******r 的大作中提到】
: Most education funding source come from private not government.
: Most efficient resource allocation and public construction are by private
: You probably borrowed at much lower rate from China than possibly from
: yourself.
: You oversimplified Bush one, think about Greenspan in Clinton's
: You got to be kidding me on Reagan one...
: You reversed logic on Clinton one
: Overall, your facts are simply not true facts.
:
: deficits
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 112 that's exactly what we have been saying all the time. government spending
not gonna create any jobs, sustainable jobs, especially by raising tax to do
this.
by
laboring
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Reagan sang the songs of smaller government but raised taxes to expand
: defense industry.
: California was drawn into recession after GOVERNMENT PAID defense industry
: was blown up after cold war.
: The US free way was built by the government funding.
: K-12? Hello?
: If we did not have free public education offered by the government funded by
: tax dollars or yuans, Hello? You and your children might be still laboring
: in a shitty farm or a factory.
: You have benefited tremendously from socialism. And
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h******r
发帖数: 48 | 113 I admire you in that you come from a sublime goal, hopefully you can keep
that were your family not be able to enjoy the lux/safe living standards
being a public beneficial.
You can't simply compare the social development stage between China and US.
In US, the established social system offers people with basis to advance
themselves if they choose to. Look at the cases of these abuse of
affirmative action...Of course, we'll never be able to have a perfect or
true "fair" system in place. But compa
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Rich people explore the world and exploit the poor.
: A security guard makes $10/hr without health benefits. This is exploitation
: to me. To you, they are lazy, stupid, and well deserved. Chinese miners
: barely have food on the table while being killed by inhaled dusts every day.
: For whatever reason, it is all their faults. If they studied hard, worked
: hard, they could be a banker too, right? The true lazy bones will not work
: . If you do not hand over them food stamps, they will rob and kill
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q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 114 还有老婆也是政府分配， 每个官员根据基本分 1-n 个，
百姓嘛分 0-1 个， 根据种姓， 哈哈。
police
job
industry
【在 w***s 的大作中提到】
: 这不就是典型的社会主义吗？全民都给政府打工，福利政府管。大家排队买面包，排队
: 分房子，所有产品都凭票凭本，物质极端缺乏。
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q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 115 你 say 的就不行， 要左左才行， 哈哈
因为人 say things 不是为了了解客观情况，
而是为了证明自己的观点
do
industry
funded
for
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: that's exactly what we have been saying all the time. government spending
: not gonna create any jobs, sustainable jobs, especially by raising tax to do
: this.
:
: by
: laboring
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 116 Professors and doctors make the biggest contributions to this world. And yes
they are paid well. But to give every child a chance to move forward, more
taxes on them and on all rich !!!!
Science and technology mostly has been developed by professors, even though
private companies commercialize them. Newton was a professor.
It is just plain silly to claim professors are parasites. And it just shows
how screwed-up some useful idiots are.
.
【在 h******r 的大作中提到】
: I admire you in that you come from a sublime goal, hopefully you can keep
: that were your family not be able to enjoy the lux/safe living standards
: being a public beneficial.
: You can't simply compare the social development stage between China and US.
: In US, the established social system offers people with basis to advance
: themselves if they choose to. Look at the cases of these abuse of
: affirmative action...Of course, we'll never be able to have a perfect or
: true "fair" system in place. But compa
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h******r
发帖数: 48 | 117 Sorry, confused. Sounds like that you don't like governmental way either.
Of course, government can/should build these public facilities. But I know
that it takes 8 years to build a 10 miles freeway while 2 years to build a
20 miles tollway in my town.
It is not about what government should do, it is about how they do it.
The point is government should focus on strategical policy that benefit
nation in long term and establish a framework to let private players compete
in the most efficient way w
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Reagan sang the songs of smaller government but raised taxes to expand
: defense industry.
: California was drawn into recession after GOVERNMENT PAID defense industry
: was blown up after cold war.
: The US free way was built by the government funding.
: K-12? Hello?
: If we did not have free public education offered by the government funded by
: tax dollars or yuans, Hello? You and your children might be still laboring
: in a shitty farm or a factory.
: You have benefited tremendously from socialism. And
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h******r
发帖数: 48 | 118 This is like saying CEOs are the biggest contributors.
Again, you over simplified the cases, Science and Technology are both
important. Theory and Engineering are both important.
But one thing for sure, we have a better life today most due to we have
great companies like Apple, not because Newton. Of course, you could say,
Newton found Apple.:-)
I never said that professors are parasites. I have great respect to them.
But I think that changes need to make these days, there should not be a
tenure
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Professors and doctors make the biggest contributions to this world. And yes
: they are paid well. But to give every child a chance to move forward, more
: taxes on them and on all rich !!!!
: Science and technology mostly has been developed by professors, even though
: private companies commercialize them. Newton was a professor.
: It is just plain silly to claim professors are parasites. And it just shows
: how screwed-up some useful idiots are.
:
: .
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 119 Here is the deal. A single person can't do God's work. I cant take all
homeless to my home. I can help my relatives in need. I dont want to lower
my salary to enrich the shitty GSers.
Simple solution: More Taxes on anyone who make more than 250K/yr.
compete
【在 h******r 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, confused. Sounds like that you don't like governmental way either.
: Of course, government can/should build these public facilities. But I know
: that it takes 8 years to build a 10 miles freeway while 2 years to build a
: 20 miles tollway in my town.
: It is not about what government should do, it is about how they do it.
: The point is government should focus on strategical policy that benefit
: nation in long term and establish a framework to let private players compete
: in the most efficient way w
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 120 you can start from yourself first. then we can consider to follow.
how about it?
liberal自己不教税,让别人买单.
joe biden $4000 块钱的donation. what a freaking joke!
lower
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Here is the deal. A single person can't do God's work. I cant take all
: homeless to my home. I can help my relatives in need. I dont want to lower
: my salary to enrich the shitty GSers.
: Simple solution: More Taxes on anyone who make more than 250K/yr.
:
: compete
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 121 Here is the deal.
We have a class struggle here. I am a traitor to my class, and you are a
traitor to your class.
Donation tax write-off was designed by the rich. Say you have a land that
has gone from 10000 to 1M, after tax, you would have 0.5M left. But if you
give it to your church, say the Scientology, you write off the tax, you will
have 0.5M back. So you do not lose anything. Now you have your own church
where you can feed and socialize in fancy resorts.
Just surcharge 10% on every r
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you can start from yourself first. then we can consider to follow.
: how about it?
: liberal自己不教税,让别人买单.
: joe biden $4000 块钱的donation. what a freaking joke!
:
: lower
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 122 you go find a job and pay some tax first. Then we can start to talk.
otherwise, shut the fuck up.
you
will
church
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Here is the deal.
: We have a class struggle here. I am a traitor to my class, and you are a
: traitor to your class.
: Donation tax write-off was designed by the rich. Say you have a land that
: has gone from 10000 to 1M, after tax, you would have 0.5M left. But if you
: give it to your church, say the Scientology, you write off the tax, you will
: have 0.5M back. So you do not lose anything. Now you have your own church
: where you can feed and socialize in fancy resorts.
: Just surcharge 10% on every r
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T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 123 Pop qiuz:
Which party gets more money from GS, far more than the other party?
The answer is:
???
And why?
?????
lower
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Here is the deal.
: We have a class struggle here. I am a traitor to my class, and you are a
: traitor to your class.
: Donation tax write-off was designed by the rich. Say you have a land that
: has gone from 10000 to 1M, after tax, you would have 0.5M left. But if you
: give it to your church, say the Scientology, you write off the tax, you will
: have 0.5M back. So you do not lose anything. Now you have your own church
: where you can feed and socialize in fancy resorts.
: Just surcharge 10% on every r
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 124 Qiunnnz.
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Pop qiuz:
: Which party gets more money from GS, far more than the other party?
: The answer is:
: ???
: And why?
: ?????
:
: lower
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a****t
发帖数: 7049 | 125 This is all very fatuous. Reducing taxes is not wrong. Raising government
spending while reducing taxes is wrong. That is Bush's fault. However, raising
taxes and raising government spending still, like Obama is doing, is even worse.
Got it?
by
laboring
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Reagan sang the songs of smaller government but raised taxes to expand
: defense industry.
: California was drawn into recession after GOVERNMENT PAID defense industry
: was blown up after cold war.
: The US free way was built by the government funding.
: K-12? Hello?
: If we did not have free public education offered by the government funded by
: tax dollars or yuans, Hello? You and your children might be still laboring
: in a shitty farm or a factory.
: You have benefited tremendously from socialism. And
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e***s
发帖数: 1397 | 126 Are you saying that if I PAY someone to build my house, I will have to give
a bedroom in my house to him?
If I hire someone mow my lawn, I will have to give the guy 1% of my land
after I PAY him for the mowing?
Why do I have to re-distribute my wealth with my employees after I had
already PAID his salary???
If my business or my investment fails, will my employees also share my loss?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If you want the whole pie, you need do it all yourself. When you hire
: someone, there is always a bargain process to decide how much you pay your
: workers. In most likely situation, you have an idea how to make a pie and
: get loans from a bank, and hire people to make the pie. The richer do not
: make pies and workers do.
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 127 Yes, you are doing, and you have to. Got it? Every year, wealth got
redistributed. It is not a matter of should, it is matter how much. I say
more taxes on the rich!!!!
If you dont make over 250K, just shut your mouth. You are just a rich
wannabe who is a traitor of your class.
If you do, then More Taxes! And no sympathy.
give
loss?
【在 e***s 的大作中提到】
: Are you saying that if I PAY someone to build my house, I will have to give
: a bedroom in my house to him?
: If I hire someone mow my lawn, I will have to give the guy 1% of my land
: after I PAY him for the mowing?
: Why do I have to re-distribute my wealth with my employees after I had
: already PAID his salary???
: If my business or my investment fails, will my employees also share my loss?
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n****e
发帖数: 226 | 128 Which class are you in?
I see, the one-flew-over-the-cuckoo's-nest class.
say
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, you are doing, and you have to. Got it? Every year, wealth got
: redistributed. It is not a matter of should, it is matter how much. I say
: more taxes on the rich!!!!
: If you dont make over 250K, just shut your mouth. You are just a rich
: wannabe who is a traitor of your class.
: If you do, then More Taxes! And no sympathy.
:
: give
: loss?
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 129 Go to hell in a hand bucket.
【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: Which class are you in?
: I see, the one-flew-over-the-cuckoo's-nest class.
:
: say
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