m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 1 总是以为自己掌握了真理。认为和他观点不同的就是白吃。你应该知道议会通过的法案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认为你的观点是错的， 你是个大白瓷。
我知道这儿的人大多数是中间阶层的一小部分人。你们希望的对你们有利的法案在这个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而已。利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的利，而不考虑别人的利。
很多人还决的bush tax cut对中产好的不得了.事实是 |
C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 2 "如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的"
红脖子, 红脖子, 红脖子....
Conclusion: LZ 是个大白瓷. |
x**l
发帖数: 978 | 3 嗯。看得出来这版上的贱人很多。
贱的不能再贱。来了美国几年就真把自己当资产阶级了。LOL
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 总是以为自己掌握了真理。认为和他观点不同的就是白吃。你应该知道议会通过的法案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认为你的观点是错的， 你是个大白瓷。
: 我知道这儿的人大多数是中间阶层的一小部分人。你们希望的对你们有利的法案在这个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而已。利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的利，而不考虑别人的利。
: 很多人还决的bush tax cut对中产好的不得了.事实是
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 4 我们不早就说了嘛.
要么你本身就是政府寄生阶级的,若是中产还去支持这种法案就是脑残.
不如你自己挑一个告诉大家.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 总是以为自己掌握了真理。认为和他观点不同的就是白吃。你应该知道议会通过的法案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认为你的观点是错的， 你是个大白瓷。
: 我知道这儿的人大多数是中间阶层的一小部分人。你们希望的对你们有利的法案在这个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而已。利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的利，而不考虑别人的利。
: 很多人还决的bush tax cut对中产好的不得了.事实是
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 5 你连什么是资产,什么是中产都搞不清楚.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 嗯。看得出来这版上的贱人很多。
: 贱的不能再贱。来了美国几年就真把自己当资产阶级了。LOL
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 6 俺至少不会犯贱。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你连什么是资产,什么是中产都搞不清楚.
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 7 身为一个中国人，为了一个异国的政策在这儿恶意攻击自己的同胞。LOL
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 我们不早就说了嘛.
: 要么你本身就是政府寄生阶级的,若是中产还去支持这种法案就是脑残.
: 不如你自己挑一个告诉大家.
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m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 8 "如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的"
真是笑话,全国人民还都踊跃支持过文化大革命呢 |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 9 what do you mean?
who pay the highest tax in this country? it is middle class. and they want
more.
你要是中产,不发声才真的是犯贱.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 身为一个中国人，为了一个异国的政策在这儿恶意攻击自己的同胞。LOL
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 10 lol,明明是这些同胞们要抢我们的钱.
果然又是一个idiot.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 身为一个中国人，为了一个异国的政策在这儿恶意攻击自己的同胞。LOL
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 11 我知道这儿的人大多数是中间阶层的一小部分人。你们希望的对你们有利的法案在这个
民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己掌
握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而已
。利利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆
醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的
利，而不考虑别人的利。 |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 12 支持obama流氓健改,就是支持rip大多数自立更生的亚裔同胞.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: lol,明明是这些同胞们要抢我们的钱.
: 果然又是一个idiot.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 13 so what if they want, they can. if you do not like it, you can move to
another country.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: lol,明明是这些同胞们要抢我们的钱.
: 果然又是一个idiot.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 14 when most people support, this will be true as well. But when majority want
to stop, it should stop in a democratic society.
【在 m***s 的大作中提到】
: "如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的"
: 真是笑话,全国人民还都踊跃支持过文化大革命呢
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 15 why?
this is still a free country, at least i can have my voice heard, i still
have my way to influece vote, as last time i checked, you dictator ass kisser.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: so what if they want, they can. if you do not like it, you can move to
: another country.
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m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 16 A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 43% favor the
health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats,
while 53% oppose it.
so aparently 多数人民不认为议案有利, according to your logic
【在 C*******r 的大作中提到】
: "如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的"
: 红脖子, 红脖子, 红脖子....
: Conclusion: LZ 是个大白瓷.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 17 yes, absolutely.
most people are against this obama healthcare. dictator obama and democrap
should stop and start over right now!
want
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: when most people support, this will be true as well. But when majority want
: to stop, it should stop in a democratic society.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 18 Sure you can. But we have a congress system and our congress passes bill not
favored by majority all the time. You have to wait next election. Curse is
no use.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: yes, absolutely.
: most people are against this obama healthcare. dictator obama and democrap
: should stop and start over right now!
:
: want
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D*****n
发帖数: 363 | 19
The 贱-est have to be those Chinese who not only enjoy being screwed by
democrats in the ass but also recommend it to the other fellow Chinese. I
cannot think of anything more 贱 than that.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 嗯。看得出来这版上的贱人很多。
: 贱的不能再贱。来了美国几年就真把自己当资产阶级了。LOL
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 20 你来美国生活不就是给人抢钱吗。抢得多少问题而已。
所以说你贱嘛。山大王抢的少点，你就感恩戴德。换了个山大王抢的多了一些，你就义
愤填膺要讨回个公道，讨不回来就骂村里对新山大王有点好感的人。这不是很贱吗？
LOL
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: lol,明明是这些同胞们要抢我们的钱.
: 果然又是一个idiot.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 21 than speak it out, make it heard, be courageous, young man, if that is for
your own good, or isn't it?
lol.
not
is
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Sure you can. But we have a congress system and our congress passes bill not
: favored by majority all the time. You have to wait next election. Curse is
: no use.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 22 亚裔同胞领福利是人均第二多的平均收入最低.我说的是平均收入不是工作的人的收入.
不要误导别人.不是每个亚裔多有phd.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 支持obama流氓健改,就是支持rip大多数自立更生的亚裔同胞.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 23 Exactly. As I said, if you do not like it, you can move back to China. I
know Chinese tax system is the most favorable to your guys. Otherwise bend
over and get over it.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 你来美国生活不就是给人抢钱吗。抢得多少问题而已。
: 所以说你贱嘛。山大王抢的少点，你就感恩戴德。换了个山大王抢的多了一些，你就义
: 愤填膺要讨回个公道，讨不回来就骂村里对新山大王有点好感的人。这不是很贱吗？
: LOL
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 24 我有感恩带德吗?
我只是要一个less evil罢了.你要怎么样? 你要一个草泥草的最狠的?
这样的话,看来你更贱
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 你来美国生活不就是给人抢钱吗。抢得多少问题而已。
: 所以说你贱嘛。山大王抢的少点，你就感恩戴德。换了个山大王抢的多了一些，你就义
: 愤填膺要讨回个公道，讨不回来就骂村里对新山大王有点好感的人。这不是很贱吗？
: LOL
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 25 不对。最贱的是那些自以为得益，其实还是被干了的主。那是贱的不能再贱了。
【在 D*****n 的大作中提到】
:
: The 贱-est have to be those Chinese who not only enjoy being screwed by
: democrats in the ass but also recommend it to the other fellow Chinese. I
: cannot think of anything more 贱 than that.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 26 最贱的是,被人干了,还劝别人别反抗了,一块被干吧,的主.
lol...
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 不对。最贱的是那些自以为得益，其实还是被干了的主。那是贱的不能再贱了。
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m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 27 说得好，这个医改就是让某些人自以为得益，其实还是被干了
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 不对。最贱的是那些自以为得益，其实还是被干了的主。那是贱的不能再贱了。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 28 lol...
useful idiots的真实写照.
【在 m***s 的大作中提到】
: 说得好，这个医改就是让某些人自以为得益，其实还是被干了
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 29 Most middle classes believe they benefit from Bush tax cut. They do not
realize that Bush tax cut are for riches. The result, surplus of Cliton to Deficit. Those debts will be paid by middle class later, with huge tax
increase NOW> 其实还是被干了的主。 So middle classes will start pay the bush taxcut for riches plus interest, starting immediately.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 不对。最贱的是那些自以为得益，其实还是被干了的主。那是贱的不能再贱了。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 30 do you believe you will benefit from obamacare?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Most middle classes believe they benefit from Bush tax cut. They do not
: realize that Bush tax cut are for riches. The result, surplus of Cliton to Deficit. Those debts will be paid by middle class later, with huge tax
: increase NOW> 其实还是被干了的主。 So middle classes will start pay the bush taxcut for riches plus interest, starting immediately.
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 31 俺不是美国公民，没有投票权。美国的政策俺能忍的就忍下去，忍不了就海归。
就是想来看看版上的贱男贱女们。哈哈。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 我有感恩带德吗?
: 我只是要一个less evil罢了.你要怎么样? 你要一个草泥草的最狠的?
: 这样的话,看来你更贱
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 32 Why not. We have to consider that health care benefits are your hidden
salary. I notice I have to pay more out of pocket for health care every year
. When the cost becomes inhibitory, my employer may cut my benefit.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: do you believe you will benefit from obamacare?
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D*****n
发帖数: 363 | 33
These 贱人 not only willingly hand their own wallet to democrap to buy votes
at will but also want to dictate my wallet that way.
Liberalism is mental disorder.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 最贱的是,被人干了,还劝别人别反抗了,一块被干吧,的主.
: lol...
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 34 你看,谁让你贱呢.
非法移民都知道发声,你读了那么多书都成书呆子了.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 俺不是美国公民，没有投票权。美国的政策俺能忍的就忍下去，忍不了就海归。
: 就是想来看看版上的贱男贱女们。哈哈。
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 35 没错呀，楼上那两位就是最真实的写照。LOL
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Most middle classes believe they benefit from Bush tax cut. They do not
: realize that Bush tax cut are for riches. The result, surplus of Cliton to Deficit. Those debts will be paid by middle class later, with huge tax
: increase NOW> 其实还是被干了的主。 So middle classes will start pay the bush taxcut for riches plus interest, starting immediately.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 36 你是真贱啊!!!
lol...
year
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Why not. We have to consider that health care benefits are your hidden
: salary. I notice I have to pay more out of pocket for health care every year
: . When the cost becomes inhibitory, my employer may cut my benefit.
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 37 俺又不是美国公民。俺不会干那种犯贱的事。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你看,谁让你贱呢.
: 非法移民都知道发声,你读了那么多书都成书呆子了.
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 38 我还是觉得你最贱。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你是真贱啊!!!
: lol...
:
: year
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 39 非法移民也不是美国公民啊.
你看这不就是我说的,你给人草的满地找牙,还让别人被草的不要发声,还有比您更贱的
嘛?
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 俺又不是美国公民。俺不会干那种犯贱的事。
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 40 Why do you say those crap? I want to insurance premium to leveling off. So
my employer can keep my insurance. It becomes possible when Obama care
passes. Current system just won't work. My employer will have to drop the
plan as many employers are doing right now. It will be on my head in the
future. Status quo is not acceptable to me.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你是真贱啊!!!
: lol...
:
: year
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 41 好象是你被草了吧。你先被bush草，现在又被巴马草，那个草你草的更爽呀？
LOL
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 非法移民也不是美国公民啊.
: 你看这不就是我说的,你给人草的满地找牙,还让别人被草的不要发声,还有比您更贱的
: 嘛?
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 42 跟这些贱人有啥好挣的。人家就愿意被bush草，不愿意被巴马草。
你说啥也没用呀。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Why do you say those crap? I want to insurance premium to leveling off. So
: my employer can keep my insurance. It becomes possible when Obama care
: passes. Current system just won't work. My employer will have to drop the
: plan as many employers are doing right now. It will be on my head in the
: future. Status quo is not acceptable to me.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 43 If it is not bush's fault of taxcut and wrong war, we will have lots of
money to do the health care reform right.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 好象是你被草了吧。你先被bush草，现在又被巴马草，那个草你草的更爽呀？
: LOL
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x**l
发帖数: 978 | 44 这帮贱人只是看那位大王抢钱抢的少。人才不在意大王把抢的钱拿来干嘛。管他们鸟事。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If it is not bush's fault of taxcut and wrong war, we will have lots of
: money to do the health care reform right.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 45 I know those people want to keep cut tax for riches. So riches keep dollar
and they are happy to get a penny. They do not realize this will lead to
high debts. When debts can not be paid, US dollar goes to zero. Those people
's savings likely become zero, a one time 100% tax. They like this better.
They do not want to pay it now. Riches will make another killing from those
sheep one more time.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 跟这些贱人有啥好挣的。人家就愿意被bush草，不愿意被巴马草。
: 你说啥也没用呀。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 46 因为,你自以为得意,以为obama流氓健改,真可以让你的premium降低.其实将会给人草的
满地找牙.
原贴主,就是这个意思.
hoho...
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Why do you say those crap? I want to insurance premium to leveling off. So
: my employer can keep my insurance. It becomes possible when Obama care
: passes. Current system just won't work. My employer will have to drop the
: plan as many employers are doing right now. It will be on my head in the
: future. Status quo is not acceptable to me.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 47 obama草的更狠.
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 好象是你被草了吧。你先被bush草，现在又被巴马草，那个草你草的更爽呀？
: LOL
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 48 我在骂bush的时候,你们真的都在吃奶吗?
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 跟这些贱人有啥好挣的。人家就愿意被bush草，不愿意被巴马草。
: 你说啥也没用呀。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 49 什么叫tax cut for rich?
广大中产都受益啊.
people
those
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I know those people want to keep cut tax for riches. So riches keep dollar
: and they are happy to get a penny. They do not realize this will lead to
: high debts. When debts can not be paid, US dollar goes to zero. Those people
: 's savings likely become zero, a one time 100% tax. They like this better.
: They do not want to pay it now. Riches will make another killing from those
: sheep one more time.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 50 Do you think current game plan can achieve this goal? Absolutely not. Why is
it wrong to choose another game plan that may work.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 因为,你自以为得意,以为obama流氓健改,真可以让你的premium降低.其实将会给人草的
: 满地找牙.
: 原贴主,就是这个意思.
: hoho...
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 51 because based on all the facts and logic, and history proven, this will not
work.
your stars will not aligned.
it is nothing but your wishful thinking!
is
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Do you think current game plan can achieve this goal? Absolutely not. Why is
: it wrong to choose another game plan that may work.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 52 this is simple. Total tax cut 100 cents.
the richers get 99 cents. Middle classes 1 cents. This is the true
distribution not a making up story. Google it if you like.
But we can not afford it. So 100 cents go to national debt.
But debt has to be paid sometime in the future by taxpayers.
For example, it will be paid now. you will be delusional that the richers
will pay 99 cents. If they only pay 50 cents, middle classes pay 50 cents.
Your loss from bush tax cut 49 cents.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 什么叫tax cut for rich?
: 广大中产都受益啊.
:
: people
: those
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 53 道不同，不相為謀。如果有人把自己的觀點當宗教教條的話，那你就更沒法跟他們討論
了。你講事實，擺道理對某些人是沒有用的。因為信仰就是信仰，著了道的人不會因為
證據就會改變自己的信仰。
案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为
议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议
院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少
数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们
一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你
们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认: 为你的观点是错的， 你是个大
白瓷。
个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己
掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而
已。利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆
醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的
利，而不考虑别人的利。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 总是以为自己掌握了真理。认为和他观点不同的就是白吃。你应该知道议会通过的法案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认为你的观点是错的， 你是个大白瓷。
: 我知道这儿的人大多数是中间阶层的一小部分人。你们希望的对你们有利的法案在这个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而已。利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的利，而不考虑别人的利。
: 很多人还决的bush tax cut对中产好的不得了.事实是
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 54 关键你要把事实,跟道理讲出来啊!
你们有吗?
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 道不同，不相為謀。如果有人把自己的觀點當宗教教條的話，那你就更沒法跟他們討論
: 了。你講事實，擺道理對某些人是沒有用的。因為信仰就是信仰，著了道的人不會因為
: 證據就會改變自己的信仰。
:
: 案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为
: 议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议
: 院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少
: 数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们
: 一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你
: 们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认: 为你的观点是错的， 你是个大
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 55 Would you summary the points that you disagreed with Bush?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 我在骂bush的时候,你们真的都在吃奶吗?
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 56 你的邏輯很清楚啊，事實也很充分。但是，呵呵，看看我的前一篇文章。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: this is simple. Total tax cut 100 cents.
: the richers get 99 cents. Middle classes 1 cents. This is the true
: distribution not a making up story. Google it if you like.
: But we can not afford it. So 100 cents go to national debt.
: But debt has to be paid sometime in the future by taxpayers.
: For example, it will be paid now. you will be delusional that the richers
: will pay 99 cents. If they only pay 50 cents, middle classes pay 50 cents.
: Your loss from bush tax cut 49 cents.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 57 共产是一种信仰,这是余则成说的.lol...
这不是没有道理的.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 关键你要把事实,跟道理讲出来啊!
: 你们有吗?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 58 你要纪念六四,还想着共产.
真脑子坏掉了.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 你的邏輯很清楚啊，事實也很充分。但是，呵呵，看看我的前一篇文章。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 59 iraqi war is no. 1.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Would you summary the points that you disagreed with Bush?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 60 massive spending and debt is no. 2
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: iraqi war is no. 1.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 61 kissing wall st is no. 3.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: massive spending and debt is no. 2
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 62 not only obama followed bush, but make it even worse.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: kissing wall st is no. 3.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 63 which one?
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 你的邏輯很清楚啊，事實也很充分。但是，呵呵，看看我的前一篇文章。
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 64 基本上你講的話都跟Rush Babe講的沒啥兩樣，不值一駁。
Obamacare是共產？那你真的應該回中國享受真正的資本主義。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你要纪念六四,还想着共产.
: 真脑子坏掉了.
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 65 道不同，不相為謀。如果有人把自己的觀點當宗教教條的話，那你就更沒法跟他們討論
了。你講事實，擺道理對某些人是沒有用的。因為信仰就是信仰，著了道的人不會因為
證據就會改變自己的信仰。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: which one?
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 66 I am not trying to convince them. I know i can not win the debate per se. I
want readers to know the reasoning of my point.
.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 道不同，不相為謀。如果有人把自己的觀點當宗教教條的話，那你就更沒法跟他們討論
: 了。你講事實，擺道理對某些人是沒有用的。因為信仰就是信仰，著了道的人不會因為
: 證據就會改變自己的信仰。
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 67 I am actually surprised by such statement. It is more like a highly
regulated private run utility. If you know how low of your electricity bill
is in this high labor cost country, you will like your health care system as
well. If this were the communism,I would accept it.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 基本上你講的話都跟Rush Babe講的沒啥兩樣，不值一駁。
: Obamacare是共產？那你真的應該回中國享受真正的資本主義。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 68 这不是共产是什么?
working class to subside nonworking class.
土共把中国搞成一团糟,大跃进后饿死三百万,不就是搞共产,精英式的计划经济搞出来
的恶果?
大锅饭吃到低,全民破产,才有工人下岗,经济崩溃.社会动荡闹上街.
这不就是民主共产党搞的那一套的真实写照.
人民这么反对o健改,obama还要一意独行,这不是共产独裁是什么?
你个叶公好龙,反共一天到晚挂在嘴里,等共产来了,却要舔他们py,感谢diang,感谢政府
了.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 基本上你講的話都跟Rush Babe講的沒啥兩樣，不值一駁。
: Obamacare是共產？那你真的應該回中國享受真正的資本主義。
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 69 I do not see how Obama follow Bush's policy.
Obama have started pulling out troop from Iraq after success military surge.
So he wants a surge in Afaganstan and plans to leave 2011. I say that Obama
follows Bush's military game plan if he attacks another country like Iran.
Most the rescues or laws that help Wall street happens in Bush's watch.
Those law can not be undone. And let all major banks fail are unacceptable
to any reasonable people. If you notice, Obama is more tough on wall street
than
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: not only obama followed bush, but make it even worse.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 70 8 months of obama debt overpass bush 8 years combined.
oh yeah, blame the freaking bush!
pethetic!
surge.
Obama
street
protection
always
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I do not see how Obama follow Bush's policy.
: Obama have started pulling out troop from Iraq after success military surge.
: So he wants a surge in Afaganstan and plans to leave 2011. I say that Obama
: follows Bush's military game plan if he attacks another country like Iran.
: Most the rescues or laws that help Wall street happens in Bush's watch.
: Those law can not be undone. And let all major banks fail are unacceptable
: to any reasonable people. If you notice, Obama is more tough on wall street
: than
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 71
More accurately, working class and more importantly upper rich class pay the
bill. If you know the fact, working class will only pay a small portion of
it. Anyway, they can not afford the cost by middle class alone.
I always ask, what is your alternative plan? do you have one? You want our
current broken and cold blooded system, meanwhile you can save a penny. So
the poor gets their care from ER when they are very sick. Skip necessary
care when the ill is minor.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 这不是共产是什么?
: working class to subside nonworking class.
: 土共把中国搞成一团糟,大跃进后饿死三百万,不就是搞共产,精英式的计划经济搞出来
: 的恶果?
: 大锅饭吃到低,全民破产,才有工人下岗,经济崩溃.社会动荡闹上街.
: 这不就是民主共产党搞的那一套的真实写照.
: 人民这么反对o健改,obama还要一意独行,这不是共产独裁是什么?
: 你个叶公好龙,反共一天到晚挂在嘴里,等共产来了,却要舔他们py,感谢diang,感谢政府
: 了.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 72 You just say something. Most of the deficit is due to the reduced tax
revenue and needed stimulant plan in this recession. If you are so desperate about this problem, why not return $2000 stimulant money back to IRS. It cost lots of stimulant money to send $2000 to 140 millions households.
Obama plans to continue to send $800 each year in next 10 years to every middle class family. If you think this is worse than bush tax cut, I am speechless except you are very rich and not qualified to this cr
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 8 months of obama debt overpass bush 8 years combined.
: oh yeah, blame the freaking bush!
: pethetic!
:
: surge.
: Obama
: street
: protection
: always
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 73 do you know who pays the most tax rate in this country?
it is middle class.
rich people pay more tax?
you cann't even have you democraps pay tax right!
charlie rangle, this crap decide how much tax we should pay.
tim geitner, this crap decide taking care of our money.
the
of
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You just say something. Most of the deficit is due to the reduced tax
: revenue and needed stimulant plan in this recession. If you are so desperate about this problem, why not return $2000 stimulant money back to IRS. It cost lots of stimulant money to send $2000 to 140 millions households.
: Obama plans to continue to send $800 each year in next 10 years to every middle class family. If you think this is worse than bush tax cut, I am speechless except you are very rich and not qualified to this cr
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 74 honey, if you refuse to learn, i dont mind to put out the facts again.
the money goes to your beloved, keke.
1. wall street suckers!
2. union suckers!
3. and non-existent zip code bureaucrats
...
desperate about this problem, why not return $2000 stimulant money back to
IRS. It cost lots of stimulant money to send $2000 to 140 millions
households.
middle class family. If you think this is worse than bush tax cut, I am
speechless except you are very rich and not qualified to this credit.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You just say something. Most of the deficit is due to the reduced tax
: revenue and needed stimulant plan in this recession. If you are so desperate about this problem, why not return $2000 stimulant money back to IRS. It cost lots of stimulant money to send $2000 to 140 millions households.
: Obama plans to continue to send $800 each year in next 10 years to every middle class family. If you think this is worse than bush tax cut, I am speechless except you are very rich and not qualified to this cr
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 75 this is not right. Riches pay most of the tax. The correct statement is that
people with income more than 5 millions have a slight lower rate than the
people with income become 1 and 5 millions. But they still pay way more tax
than middle class.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: do you know who pays the most tax rate in this country?
: it is middle class.
: rich people pay more tax?
: you cann't even have you democraps pay tax right!
: charlie rangle, this crap decide how much tax we should pay.
: tim geitner, this crap decide taking care of our money.
:
: the
: of
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 76 i am talking about the tax rate! that's what is used in our current taxation
system.
i feel you have a long way to go out of idiocracy.
that
tax
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: this is not right. Riches pay most of the tax. The correct statement is that
: people with income more than 5 millions have a slight lower rate than the
: people with income become 1 and 5 millions. But they still pay way more tax
: than middle class.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 77 e.g. middle class in sf bay area who are not even rich, and easily they are
target of amt originally designed for the rich.
and the number of people is growing every year, not because more people become rich.
taxation
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: i am talking about the tax rate! that's what is used in our current taxation
: system.
: i feel you have a long way to go out of idiocracy.
:
: that
: tax
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 78 Can you define middle class? Most people here define middle class with
income more than 200,000, although only 2.4% of US households have income
more than this level. Those people are so out of touch. It is no wonder that
so few care about what they say.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: do you know who pays the most tax rate in this country?
: it is middle class.
: rich people pay more tax?
: you cann't even have you democraps pay tax right!
: charlie rangle, this crap decide how much tax we should pay.
: tim geitner, this crap decide taking care of our money.
:
: the
: of
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 79 Most American hate those entities. Do you have fact to back your claim up
that "most money" go to those people? It is a very serious accusation.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: honey, if you refuse to learn, i dont mind to put out the facts again.
: the money goes to your beloved, keke.
: 1. wall street suckers!
: 2. union suckers!
: 3. and non-existent zip code bureaucrats
: ...
:
: desperate about this problem, why not return $2000 stimulant money back to
: IRS. It cost lots of stimulant money to send $2000 to 140 millions
: households.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 80 But you statement is still wrong. Their effective rate is higher than middle
class. Their rate is only slightly lower than people with income between 1-
5 millions, who are not middle class. I can say the same thing to you and it
is more accurate to describe who you are. It is because I am certain your
statement is absolutely wrong.
taxation
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: i am talking about the tax rate! that's what is used in our current taxation
: system.
: i feel you have a long way to go out of idiocracy.
:
: that
: tax
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 81 what most people here? you are living in your delusion again?
most established family here double income earn more than $100,000 which is
already considered as upper middle, 15% of the population.
The professional/managerial middle class
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class
guess who is out of touch?
that
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Can you define middle class? Most people here define middle class with
: income more than 200,000, although only 2.4% of US households have income
: more than this level. Those people are so out of touch. It is no wonder that
: so few care about what they say.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 82 Can you just read my previous posts?
do some research, then we can have some meaningful discussion.
how much bailout for gse?
how much bailout for aig?
how much bailout for gm?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Most American hate those entities. Do you have fact to back your claim up
: that "most money" go to those people? It is a very serious accusation.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 83 Even in your statment, 15% household have income more than $100000. 15% is a
minor of minority in this country. If we vote based on income, most people
may want to tax rate of 90% for people with income more than $100000. Other
85% supersuper majority will not care. What do you think? Do you still
believe that your idea will be passed in a democrat voting?
is
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: what most people here? you are living in your delusion again?
: most established family here double income earn more than $100,000 which is
: already considered as upper middle, 15% of the population.
: The professional/managerial middle class
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class
: guess who is out of touch?
:
: that
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 84 idiot, Warren Buffett Pays a Lower Tax Rate Than His Receptionist which is
17.7%.
how much is yours?
middle
1-
it
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: But you statement is still wrong. Their effective rate is higher than middle
: class. Their rate is only slightly lower than people with income between 1-
: 5 millions, who are not middle class. I can say the same thing to you and it
: is more accurate to describe who you are. It is because I am certain your
: statement is absolutely wrong.
:
: taxation
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 85 can't you just get yourself educated a bit first, i have already provided you
with link.
15% is just the upper middle class.
a
people
Other
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Even in your statment, 15% household have income more than $100000. 15% is a
: minor of minority in this country. If we vote based on income, most people
: may want to tax rate of 90% for people with income more than $100000. Other
: 85% supersuper majority will not care. What do you think? Do you still
: believe that your idea will be passed in a democrat voting?
:
: is
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 86 we are not saying tax rate for one person but for a group. A better example
for you will be Macoy, who have income $114 millions and pay no income tax.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: idiot, Warren Buffett Pays a Lower Tax Rate Than His Receptionist which is
: 17.7%.
: how much is yours?
:
: middle
: 1-
: it
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 87 Do you think increase tax rate across the board will always result in more
Federal tax revenue?
Or say decrease tax rate across the board will always result in less Federal
tax revenue?
案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为
议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议
院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少
数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们
一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你
们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认: 为你的观点是错的， 你是个大
白瓷。
个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己
掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 总是以为自己掌握了真理。认为和他观点不同的就是白吃。你应该知道议会通过的法案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认为你的观点是错的， 你是个大白瓷。
: 我知道这儿的人大多数是中间阶层的一小部分人。你们希望的对你们有利的法案在这个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而已。利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的利，而不考虑别人的利。
: 很多人还决的bush tax cut对中产好的不得了.事实是
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 88 Many believe it is necessary to save the country. DO not blind by your hate.
You have to think what is the alternative.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Can you just read my previous posts?
: do some research, then we can have some meaningful discussion.
: how much bailout for gse?
: how much bailout for aig?
: how much bailout for gm?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 89 the problem is that your so called rich people dont get 114m as income,
after all it is middle class joe who has double income more than say 80k who
foot the bill.
do you understand now?
all your tax the rich to pay the poor is a delusional wishful thinking, It
is you, who are paying the bill, if you are one of the middle class.
example
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: we are not saying tax rate for one person but for a group. A better example
: for you will be Macoy, who have income $114 millions and pay no income tax.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 90 that's what i said, i have the facts and logic presented to you already in
multiple posts, i made my judgement based on facts and logic. it is you who
blindly believe what is good for this country by what politician told you.
hate.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Many believe it is necessary to save the country. DO not blind by your hate.
: You have to think what is the alternative.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 91 i don't know what you want to say. The answer is no, theoretically. It is
because tax revenue is equal to tax rate timed by total income. So you have
to consider both.
Federal
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: Do you think increase tax rate across the board will always result in more
: Federal tax revenue?
: Or say decrease tax rate across the board will always result in less Federal
: tax revenue?
:
: 案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为
: 议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议
: 院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少
: 数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们
: 一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 92 What i believe is that banks need to be saved, and maybe be saved
differently. AIG needs to be saved in order to save banks. This is not China
. US is run on credit. When bank can not provide credit, this country is
ruined. I am not so sure about GM. It may be better let GM bankrupt and
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 93 get educated with facts and logic, aka truth,
do more critical thinking by yourself.
that's my advice to you.
China
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: What i believe is that banks need to be saved, and maybe be saved
: differently. AIG needs to be saved in order to save banks. This is not China
: . US is run on credit. When bank can not provide credit, this country is
: ruined. I am not so sure about GM. It may be better let GM bankrupt and
: start over.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 94 如果每个人认为自己是真理可不太好。因为理论上只有上帝才是这样的。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: get educated with facts and logic, aka truth,
: do more critical thinking by yourself.
: that's my advice to you.
:
: China
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 95 but at least you have to get your facts straight...
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 如果每个人认为自己是真理可不太好。因为理论上只有上帝才是这样的。
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 96 facts are we are in the brink of major bank failure and bank run. We decide
what we should do. You can choose save or choose not save. The decision part
can not be said truth. It is a decision which can be right or be wrong.
Only god has 100% certainty to see the end that the decision is 100% correct.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 如果每个人认为自己是真理可不太好。因为理论上只有上帝才是这样的。
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 97
So in order for you to keep an insurance plan, someone else has to pay
for a plan they don't really need. At the end of the day, all you care
is yourself not the hassle you bring to others.
I think you are just full of it and really need to cut the crap.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Why do you say those crap? I want to insurance premium to leveling off. So
: my employer can keep my insurance. It becomes possible when Obama care
: passes. Current system just won't work. My employer will have to drop the
: plan as many employers are doing right now. It will be on my head in the
: future. Status quo is not acceptable to me.
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 98 Who don't need a health insurance plan? Ask any sober person in the world.
The point of health insurance is to pool risks together so that everyone is
covered when bad luck strikes.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: So in order for you to keep an insurance plan, someone else has to pay
: for a plan they don't really need. At the end of the day, all you care
: is yourself not the hassle you bring to others.
: I think you are just full of it and really need to cut the crap.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 99
Well what if I just don't believe bad luck can strike me and therefore
want no part of an insurance that I don't need? You have no business to
force me into it.
You know as well as I do this "bad luck" thing is just a BS excuse to
steal money from one group of people to pay for another.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: Who don't need a health insurance plan? Ask any sober person in the world.
: The point of health insurance is to pool risks together so that everyone is
: covered when bad luck strikes.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 100 You mean you like to save some money on health insurance because you do not
believe that you will be ill. But if you got cancer, you just run to
emergency room and did not pay the bill. Current health care bill will force
you to pay your bill or pay penalty on your tax return. it is that clear
and easy.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Well what if I just don't believe bad luck can strike me and therefore
: want no part of an insurance that I don't need? You have no business to
: force me into it.
: You know as well as I do this "bad luck" thing is just a BS excuse to
: steal money from one group of people to pay for another.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 101 Because we believe that we will pay your bill if you got cancer. So pay your
bill, deadbeat.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Well what if I just don't believe bad luck can strike me and therefore
: want no part of an insurance that I don't need? You have no business to
: force me into it.
: You know as well as I do this "bad luck" thing is just a BS excuse to
: steal money from one group of people to pay for another.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 102
Well if I really get seriously ill then I'll obviously have to cover the
bill myself. But if not then I can save money. My money, my health, my
decision. I can decide what is the best for me, not you. And I certainly
have no interest paying for your premium insurance. Understood?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You mean you like to save some money on health insurance because you do not
: believe that you will be ill. But if you got cancer, you just run to
: emergency room and did not pay the bill. Current health care bill will force
: you to pay your bill or pay penalty on your tax return. it is that clear
: and easy.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 103
No, you never. All you guys have been doing is to run up a huge bill and
then pass it to future generations and force them to pay. That's why SS
started at 2% of tax and now at 15%. In short, you are enslaving future
generations to provide all the welfare you don't deserve.
Democrooks / progressives / liberals are slave masters in disguise.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Because we believe that we will pay your bill if you got cancer. So pay your
: bill, deadbeat.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 104 You may have savings but can not say that many of your kind will have enough
savings to cover their own bill. To make sure, that we, the other taxpayers
, do not foot bills of your kind, we will have to force all of you to pay
because it is more expensive to figure out who can pay and who can not pay.
the medical expense is very expensive and the cost can go to 10million
dollars. We hope you save that much when the worst happens.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: No, you never. All you guys have been doing is to run up a huge bill and
: then pass it to future generations and force them to pay. That's why SS
: started at 2% of tax and now at 15%. In short, you are enslaving future
: generations to provide all the welfare you don't deserve.
: Democrooks / progressives / liberals are slave masters in disguise.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 105 You mean 15% self employment tax? I have sympathy to you and I think it is
not fair. If you are employed, you only pay ~6.25% SS and 1.25% medicare.
Another half will be paid by employer. I still think the bill is a very good
deal to you. Because you will get a group insurance rate that can not be
denied. For now, they will sell insurance plan to you if you are healthy but
drop you instantly like a hot potato when you are seriously ill.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: No, you never. All you guys have been doing is to run up a huge bill and
: then pass it to future generations and force them to pay. That's why SS
: started at 2% of tax and now at 15%. In short, you are enslaving future
: generations to provide all the welfare you don't deserve.
: Democrooks / progressives / liberals are slave masters in disguise.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 106
Who the heck are you to decide for me that I need to buy an insurance?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You may have savings but can not say that many of your kind will have enough
: savings to cover their own bill. To make sure, that we, the other taxpayers
: , do not foot bills of your kind, we will have to force all of you to pay
: because it is more expensive to figure out who can pay and who can not pay.
: the medical expense is very expensive and the cost can go to 10million
: dollars. We hope you save that much when the worst happens.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 107 Because we may pay your bill unpaid by you, and do not want to donate moeney
to you. If you really do not want to buy insurance, i have another
suggestion. Like early farmers in the united state, you should deposit $200,
000 to a bank as a secular deposit. If you do not become ill when you die,
you will get all your money back to your family. If you are seriously ill,
we will use those money to pay your bill.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Who the heck are you to decide for me that I need to buy an insurance?
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 108
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Well following the same logic, can I assume that you might
someday cause multi-million-$ damage to my property and therefore demand
you to put down some serious amount of deposit just in case? I'm sure you
would not mind wearing your own shoes, yes / no? Send your deposit check
here please. Don't make me wait too long.
What a joke.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Because we may pay your bill unpaid by you, and do not want to donate moeney
: to you. If you really do not want to buy insurance, i have another
: suggestion. Like early farmers in the united state, you should deposit $200,
: 000 to a bank as a secular deposit. If you do not become ill when you die,
: you will get all your money back to your family. If you are seriously ill,
: we will use those money to pay your bill.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 109 Yes we do, we buy homeowner insurance.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: HAHAHAHAHAHA. Well following the same logic, can I assume that you might
: someday cause multi-million-$ damage to my property and therefore demand
: you to put down some serious amount of deposit just in case? I'm sure you
: would not mind wearing your own shoes, yes / no? Send your deposit check
: here please. Don't make me wait too long.
: What a joke.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 110
Uh, I'm not talking about your home that I could care less. I am talking
about my property, and I have grave concern that somehow you could cause
a huge damage to it so I demand you to put down a deposit against it.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Yes we do, we buy homeowner insurance.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 111 We have to be reasonable. The claims you are talking about have miniscule
effect on the society overall. So we do not care for now. If the cost goes
up in the future and becomes significant, we will create such insurance to
balance the cost.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Uh, I'm not talking about your home that I could care less. I am talking
: about my property, and I have grave concern that somehow you could cause
: a huge damage to it so I demand you to put down a deposit against it.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 112
My claim makes no less sense than yours, alright? You liberals need to
stop acting like deserving to dictate how other people live their life.
Not your business.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: We have to be reasonable. The claims you are talking about have miniscule
: effect on the society overall. So we do not care for now. If the cost goes
: up in the future and becomes significant, we will create such insurance to
: balance the cost.
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 113 Haha. Such a thing already exists. It's called the POLICE. You expect the
police to protect you when you are robbed, don't you? Why do you expect other people to pay for your protection, in this case?
Your last sentence is an apt comment on your belief system.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: My claim makes no less sense than yours, alright? You liberals need to
: stop acting like deserving to dictate how other people live their life.
: Not your business.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 114
Police doesn't assume people can cause damage and therefore ask for down
payment from everyone. And you can opt out to places where there's not
much police but rely on personal gun ownership for self protection. Your
health is your own issue. You are supposed to take care of self and
manage own finance for any kinda rainy days. Your own duty not others.
It's not even common sense 101, it's common sense for dummies.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: Haha. Such a thing already exists. It's called the POLICE. You expect the
: police to protect you when you are robbed, don't you? Why do you expect other people to pay for your protection, in this case?
: Your last sentence is an apt comment on your belief system.
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 115 How do you opt out of police protection? By choosing a place where there are
no police and everyone protects himself from robbers by his own guns? I am
not sure many people's ideal place of living is the Wild Wide West, even you
. Down payment for security, is taxes, which pays for the police and the
military. Other people are protecting you using their taxes. How can you
fail to see the obvious analogy?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Police doesn't assume people can cause damage and therefore ask for down
: payment from everyone. And you can opt out to places where there's not
: much police but rely on personal gun ownership for self protection. Your
: health is your own issue. You are supposed to take care of self and
: manage own finance for any kinda rainy days. Your own duty not others.
: It's not even common sense 101, it's common sense for dummies.
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 116 Let's be honest here. It's not that those millions of young and healthy
will get cancer all a sudden and cost 2 million a piece. Instead, it is
those less healthy who rely on health care want the young and healthy to
help cover their cost.
Obtaining health insurance is a good choice if one can afford it, even if just to
make other people's insurance cheaper (in theory). Just like exercise
regularly and eat less junk food is good for you health, but making law to
require people to do good thing
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: How do you opt out of police protection? By choosing a place where there are
: no police and everyone protects himself from robbers by his own guns? I am
: not sure many people's ideal place of living is the Wild Wide West, even you
: . Down payment for security, is taxes, which pays for the police and the
: military. Other people are protecting you using their taxes. How can you
: fail to see the obvious analogy?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 117 政府就是黑帮,police就是黑帮下面的马崽.
马崽的工作就是看住场子,好让我们这些纳税人干活缴保护费.
就跟中国的城管一个思路.
说到底,你要是个穷鬼,警察才不会保护你呢.他们是看住你不让你捣乱.
您是在为中国的城管叫好吗?
are
am
you
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: How do you opt out of police protection? By choosing a place where there are
: no police and everyone protects himself from robbers by his own guns? I am
: not sure many people's ideal place of living is the Wild Wide West, even you
: . Down payment for security, is taxes, which pays for the police and the
: military. Other people are protecting you using their taxes. How can you
: fail to see the obvious analogy?
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 118
You don't know the crime rate is low in those heavy gun ownership area,
do you? Of course you can opt out of the place where government forces a
heavy fee on you. I used to move out of a California town that charges
burglary protection fees.
National security was the only reason why there's tax early on. Don't try
to extend your individual health to national security level and then ask
other to pay for you. It's selfish and absurd.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: How do you opt out of police protection? By choosing a place where there are
: no police and everyone protects himself from robbers by his own guns? I am
: not sure many people's ideal place of living is the Wild Wide West, even you
: . Down payment for security, is taxes, which pays for the police and the
: military. Other people are protecting you using their taxes. How can you
: fail to see the obvious analogy?
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 119 Crime rate is probably low because those are rural areas with not much crime
whatsoever to start with. Do you have time-series data for a single city?
For example, how is the variation in gun ownership in Los Angeles correlated
with crime rates?
You first brought the property security question into discussion. I was just
saying if you can force people to pay for the protection of their own
property through police, there is no reason why you cannot force people to
protect their own financial secu
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You don't know the crime rate is low in those heavy gun ownership area,
: do you? Of course you can opt out of the place where government forces a
: heavy fee on you. I used to move out of a California town that charges
: burglary protection fees.
: National security was the only reason why there's tax early on. Don't try
: to extend your individual health to national security level and then ask
: other to pay for you. It's selfish and absurd.
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p**********d
发帖数: 7918 | 120 Pooling bad and good risks is precisely the point of health insurance. If
only unhealthy people buy insurance, it will be prohibitively costly to buy
health insurance, which will defeat the purpose of health insurance.
Mandating everyone to buy insurance can be a policy that benefits everyone.
There is a very simple explanation, which is nicely demonstrated by the
lemons problem in economics. Just google "lemons problem" and "health
insurance."
One must set a boundary as to what government can f
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: Let's be honest here. It's not that those millions of young and healthy
: will get cancer all a sudden and cost 2 million a piece. Instead, it is
: those less healthy who rely on health care want the young and healthy to
: help cover their cost.
: Obtaining health insurance is a good choice if one can afford it, even if just to
: make other people's insurance cheaper (in theory). Just like exercise
: regularly and eat less junk food is good for you health, but making law to
: require people to do good thing
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 121 it helped government, and government parasitic class.
sorry, it does not help me.
buy
.
help.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: Pooling bad and good risks is precisely the point of health insurance. If
: only unhealthy people buy insurance, it will be prohibitively costly to buy
: health insurance, which will defeat the purpose of health insurance.
: Mandating everyone to buy insurance can be a policy that benefits everyone.
: There is a very simple explanation, which is nicely demonstrated by the
: lemons problem in economics. Just google "lemons problem" and "health
: insurance."
: One must set a boundary as to what government can f
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 122 It is a likelihood issue. If there is no police, your chance of getting
mugged is very high, just like if lots people do not stopped at traffic
light, there will be accidents at every intersection almost everyday.
Those are a matter of consensus. While there is no evident that the young
and healthy who choose not to buy health insurance have a high likelihood to
cost millions a piece in the emergency room.
crime
correlated
just
a
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: Crime rate is probably low because those are rural areas with not much crime
: whatsoever to start with. Do you have time-series data for a single city?
: For example, how is the variation in gun ownership in Los Angeles correlated
: with crime rates?
: You first brought the property security question into discussion. I was just
: saying if you can force people to pay for the protection of their own
: property through police, there is no reason why you cannot force people to
: protect their own financial secu
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e***s
发帖数: 1397 | 123 不是公民，你跑到这里来犯什么贱？
一边不肯离开这个异乡，回到祖国和你的“中国同胞”的温暖的怀抱，
一边鄙视这个自己居住的地方，
这难道不是犯贱么？？？
有一种人，看到别人对新的环境的适应和融入，而这个环境恰恰是自己不能融入，不能
适应的地方，就产生一种莫名的愤怒和“鄙视”...仿佛别人是“背叛”了他和连他自
己都不爱的“祖国”...这种复杂的扭曲的情感，在这个地方很常见啊...
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 俺又不是美国公民。俺不会干那种犯贱的事。
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 124 那些法案哪里是代表人民了？只是带膘不同的利益集团而已。哪个平头百姓去读上千页
的法案？看了又怎么样能看明白么？那些这个议员那个议员的，他们又懂什么了，看着
选票跟风倒呗，狗屁民主，不解决问题瞎吵吵浪费时间而已！ |
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 125
It is your side playing the fear monger card insisting that whoever not
owning a plan poses a financial threat when unhealthy and using it as an
excuse to demand others to pay for your own coverage, not me.
Instead of demanding mandatory insurance, how about we demand you liberals
to take care of your own health so that you won't be that big a social
problem? There's a natural way of enforcing it already: If you don't do
it, your health suffers and you have to pay for it. Darwinism at work.
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: Pooling bad and good risks is precisely the point of health insurance. If
: only unhealthy people buy insurance, it will be prohibitively costly to buy
: health insurance, which will defeat the purpose of health insurance.
: Mandating everyone to buy insurance can be a policy that benefits everyone.
: There is a very simple explanation, which is nicely demonstrated by the
: lemons problem in economics. Just google "lemons problem" and "health
: insurance."
: One must set a boundary as to what government can f
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 126 有手有脚,膘肥体壮的都给我去挖砂子去.
干一天活,拿一天健保.
一觉睡到中午起,沙发土豆,坐在大屁股电视前面,还想让我们出钱给你们买健保?
嘿嘿.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: It is your side playing the fear monger card insisting that whoever not
: owning a plan poses a financial threat when unhealthy and using it as an
: excuse to demand others to pay for your own coverage, not me.
: Instead of demanding mandatory insurance, how about we demand you liberals
: to take care of your own health so that you won't be that big a social
: problem? There's a natural way of enforcing it already: If you don't do
: it, your health suffers and you have to pay for it. Darwinism at work.
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B*D
发帖数: 5016 | 127 其实取消medicaid
改革tort
限制保险公司管理费比例
比较好
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 有手有脚,膘肥体壮的都给我去挖砂子去.
: 干一天活,拿一天健保.
: 一觉睡到中午起,沙发土豆,坐在大屁股电视前面,还想让我们出钱给你们买健保?
: 嘿嘿.
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 128 不错, 非法老墨都敢示威游行. 有些中国人受了气连个p都不敢放一个,还要劝别的中国
人不要反抗,真是天大的笑话.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你看,谁让你贱呢.
: 非法移民都知道发声,你读了那么多书都成书呆子了.
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 129 完全不知所云。最后还来一段莫名其妙的数字罗列。
标题送给你自己最好了。
案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为
议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议
院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少
数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们
一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你
们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认: 为你的观点是错的， 你是个大
白瓷。
个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己
掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而
已。利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆
醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的
利，而不考虑别人的利。
richerswill pay 99 cents. If they only pay 50 cents, mi
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 总是以为自己掌握了真理。认为和他观点不同的就是白吃。你应该知道议会通过的法案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认为你的观点是错的， 你是个大白瓷。
: 我知道这儿的人大多数是中间阶层的一小部分人。你们希望的对你们有利的法案在这个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而已。利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的利，而不考虑别人的利。
: 很多人还决的bush tax cut对中产好的不得了.事实是
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 130 If you are self employed and do not pay health insurance premium, then you
are parasites of this society when you are older. It is because you do not
pay when you are young and start to leach the young working class when you
are older. Do you think why the insurance policy for 70 years old is not $
200,000 per year but $20,000 per year? it is paid by the young generation.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: it helped government, and government parasitic class.
: sorry, it does not help me.
:
: buy
: .
: help.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 131 I know truth hurts. What is your point excepts waggling your finger?
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: 完全不知所云。最后还来一段莫名其妙的数字罗列。
: 标题送给你自己最好了。
:
: 案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为
: 议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议
: 院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少
: 数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们
: 一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你
: 们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认: 为你的观点是错的， 你是个大
: 白瓷。
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 132 数字随口就来。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If you are self employed and do not pay health insurance premium, then you
: are parasites of this society when you are older. It is because you do not
: pay when you are young and start to leach the young working class when you
: are older. Do you think why the insurance policy for 70 years old is not $
: 200,000 per year but $20,000 per year? it is paid by the young generation.
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 133 你讲话太冲，你自己写的标题用在你自己身上就不行是怎么着？
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I know truth hurts. What is your point excepts waggling your finger?
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 134 最贱的是把政府政客当爹娘去依靠去相信的。
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 嗯。看得出来这版上的贱人很多。
: 贱的不能再贱。来了美国几年就真把自己当资产阶级了。LOL
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 135 这说楼主说的太好了。
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 身为一个中国人，为了一个异国的政策在这儿恶意攻击自己的同胞。LOL
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 136 那你跟楼主根本不是一类人，何必替他吆喝。
【在 x**l 的大作中提到】
: 俺不是美国公民，没有投票权。美国的政策俺能忍的就忍下去，忍不了就海归。
: 就是想来看看版上的贱男贱女们。哈哈。
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 137 we都出来了。
如果we是跟政府，那你敢情是吃政府饭的。
如果we是跟那个要海归的xinl，恐怕他其实是两边都骂的。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If it is not bush's fault of taxcut and wrong war, we will have lots of
: money to do the health care reform right.
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 138 exacly这说楼主说的太好了。
【在 p**********d 的大作中提到】
: 道不同，不相為謀。如果有人把自己的觀點當宗教教條的話，那你就更沒法跟他們討論
: 了。你講事實，擺道理對某些人是沒有用的。因為信仰就是信仰，著了道的人不會因為
: 證據就會改變自己的信仰。
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s*****k
发帖数: 604 | 139 根据我的经验，
大部分美国人思维方式行为习惯都是这样的。
华人入了美籍，但是根上还是中国人，
人家美国人也不把你当美国人看。
所以这些华人开始各方面学美国人，
觉得这样发表观点表达意见非常自由民主，
常常是根据个人喜好而不是事实推理就发表看法，
而且这么做着做着真的觉得自己越来越像美国人了
也越来越敢发表其实狗屁不通的意见了，
而且说起来非常自信，觉得自己超越的中国人的“奴性”。
你要从个人感觉良好上找原因是找不到的，
你想想这些入美籍的中国人的mentality就明白是怎么回事了
案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为
议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议
院制。你们说自己不代表红
个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己
掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而
已。利而已。这个国家经过
richerswill pay 99 cents. If they only pay 50 cents, middle classes pay 5
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 总是以为自己掌握了真理。认为和他观点不同的就是白吃。你应该知道议会通过的法案没有对和错。只有这个法案对你有利或对你不利。在理想情况下，如果多数人民认为议案有利，这个法案就是对社会有利的。但是不能每个议案多全民工投，所以我们用议院制。你们说自己不代表红脖子也不代表左派。那你有没有想过那你就是这个国家的少数派。因为红脖子和左派专这个国家的大多数，大于50%。你们想要的法案只是对你们一小撮人有利而已，而不是真理。所以，按照民主国家的原则，不代表红脖子和左派你们要的法案永远通不过。按照你的标准，大多数人认为你的观点是错的， 你是个大白瓷。
: 我知道这儿的人大多数是中间阶层的一小部分人。你们希望的对你们有利的法案在这个民主国家你是很难通过的。如果你们在宣传自己观点的时候，还高高在上，认为自己掌握真理。那你会皮别人当白瓷的。因为这个国家的人知道，你只不过是为有你的利而已。利而已。这个国家经过这么多选举，啥人没见过。不要把自己当根葱。衣服众人皆醉我独醒的样子。事实是别人多不醉，自不过别人认为你的提案太自私太考虑你自己的利，而不考虑别人的利。
: 很多人还决的bush tax cut对中产好的不得了.事实是
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 140 又是一个发长文说自己的。
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 根据我的经验，
: 大部分美国人思维方式行为习惯都是这样的。
: 华人入了美籍，但是根上还是中国人，
: 人家美国人也不把你当美国人看。
: 所以这些华人开始各方面学美国人，
: 觉得这样发表观点表达意见非常自由民主，
: 常常是根据个人喜好而不是事实推理就发表看法，
: 而且这么做着做着真的觉得自己越来越像美国人了
: 也越来越敢发表其实狗屁不通的意见了，
: 而且说起来非常自信，觉得自己超越的中国人的“奴性”。
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s*****k
发帖数: 604 | 141 触痛了吧
我不是美国人
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: 又是一个发长文说自己的。
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 142 炸了吧。果然如你所言，你很自信啊，连自己那点经验都拿出来说事了。
不是米国人还“大部分美国人思维方式行为习惯都是这样的。”，怎一个贱字了得。
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 触痛了吧
: 我不是美国人
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 143 What make me sick is that they still believe that they hold truth. The truth
is that they want to maximize their gain without contribution to the
country. So every country can be like China. It is the group of the most
shameless and selfish.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 根据我的经验，
: 大部分美国人思维方式行为习惯都是这样的。
: 华人入了美籍，但是根上还是中国人，
: 人家美国人也不把你当美国人看。
: 所以这些华人开始各方面学美国人，
: 觉得这样发表观点表达意见非常自由民主，
: 常常是根据个人喜好而不是事实推理就发表看法，
: 而且这么做着做着真的觉得自己越来越像美国人了
: 也越来越敢发表其实狗屁不通的意见了，
: 而且说起来非常自信，觉得自己超越的中国人的“奴性”。
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s*****k
发帖数: 604 | 144 knee-jerk reaction.
不是美国人就不了解美国人了？
你是美国人人家心里真把你当美国人看了？
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: 炸了吧。果然如你所言，你很自信啊，连自己那点经验都拿出来说事了。
: 不是米国人还“大部分美国人思维方式行为习惯都是这样的。”，怎一个贱字了得。
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 145 价值观问题，大家在国内的时候可是被那种舍己为人的宣传给恶心坏了，因此有免疫力。
另外社会制度好的话，应该是每个人为自己利益打算的同时也正好为国家打算为社会谋
利，而不是非要去牺牲什么。要求大家牺牲已经是制度有问题了。
另外不要试图给别人洗脑，既没用且难看。俺无政府主义就从来不要求别人同意。
truth
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: What make me sick is that they still believe that they hold truth. The truth
: is that they want to maximize their gain without contribution to the
: country. So every country can be like China. It is the group of the most
: shameless and selfish.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 146 怎么又来了.
我们中产,一家子要养,缴最重的税,自立更生,
不吃国家一分钱福利.我们selfish?
useful idiots们,你们能不能不selfish一点?
找个工作,多缴点税,别让别人来养你们!
哈,对了.
你的5%华人,拿8%的福利的facts在哪里?
找到了没有?
truth
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: What make me sick is that they still believe that they hold truth. The truth
: is that they want to maximize their gain without contribution to the
: country. So every country can be like China. It is the group of the most
: shameless and selfish.
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 147 国家国籍算个p，和学校性别身高地域之类都是同样用来引发歧视与被歧视的东西，大
家利用一下而已，改变不了人的本身，何必这么看重。
你似乎是在国籍问题上找人斗气，和楼主支持谋财害命议案的目的不同，sorry俺反应
过度了。
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: knee-jerk reaction.
: 不是美国人就不了解美国人了？
: 你是美国人人家心里真把你当美国人看了？
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 148 If your current situation is not good, why not quit your job and apply food
stamp. So I believe that you end up better, right? Can you tell me why you
want to object the reform other than you believe that you will lose your
money?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 怎么又来了.
: 我们中产,一家子要养,缴最重的税,自立更生,
: 不吃国家一分钱福利.我们selfish?
: useful idiots们,你们能不能不selfish一点?
: 找个工作,多缴点税,别让别人来养你们!
: 哈,对了.
: 你的5%华人,拿8%的福利的facts在哪里?
: 找到了没有?
:
: truth
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 149 why are you for this bill to rob more of my money?
food
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If your current situation is not good, why not quit your job and apply food
: stamp. So I believe that you end up better, right? Can you tell me why you
: want to object the reform other than you believe that you will lose your
: money?
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 150 Why do you say those crap again? Is it the fact Asian is the poorest in the
country and send the least SS and medicare money to IRS? Can you believe
that Asian receive the least welfare when they are poor. I have the data
right here but I can not find such info on the internet. If you find it,
please help me to post it here.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why are you for this bill to rob more of my money?
:
: food
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 151 hey, look, this is not my crap, this is your crap.
and you think you hold these "truth".
the
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Why do you say those crap again? Is it the fact Asian is the poorest in the
: country and send the least SS and medicare money to IRS? Can you believe
: that Asian receive the least welfare when they are poor. I have the data
: right here but I can not find such info on the internet. If you find it,
: please help me to post it here.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 152 I believe that it will save me money in the end. you beleive that bush tax
cut is good for middle class. In contrast to you, it is robbing me in my
reasoning.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why are you for this bill to rob more of my money?
:
: food
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 153 why do you have to force your belief upon me?
do you know there is separation of church and state?
thank god you do not believe god!
lol..
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I believe that it will save me money in the end. you beleive that bush tax
: cut is good for middle class. In contrast to you, it is robbing me in my
: reasoning.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 154 It is not my religion belief. It is my reasoning. Can you give me a
reasoning that Bush tax cut is good for middle class?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why do you have to force your belief upon me?
: do you know there is separation of church and state?
: thank god you do not believe god!
: lol..
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 155 of course, i as one of the middle class pay less tax, means i have more
money to spend, to invest, to contribute to the economy, to cause other
company to hire more jobs which eventually make better environment for me to
get hired too.
this is economics 101.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: It is not my religion belief. It is my reasoning. Can you give me a
: reasoning that Bush tax cut is good for middle class?
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 156 Who pay the debts derived from bush's taxcut? You and me or next generation.
I agree that you pay less tax now and but will pay much more tax in the
future plus interst.
to
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: of course, i as one of the middle class pay less tax, means i have more
: money to spend, to invest, to contribute to the economy, to cause other
: company to hire more jobs which eventually make better environment for me to
: get hired too.
: this is economics 101.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 157 that's why i am so against him spending like there is no tomorrow, iraqi war
...
We should cut government, cut spending, that's all i am for, can't you see?
generation.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Who pay the debts derived from bush's taxcut? You and me or next generation.
: I agree that you pay less tax now and but will pay much more tax in the
: future plus interst.
:
: to
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 158 Do you think I am moron that have no sense. I am all for these as well. I
also welcome any progress, no matter how little. If you look at current
budget, it is not increasing that much. High deficit is mainly caused by
receduced tax revanue in a recession and Obama's plan to send us $800 each
year in next 10 years.
war
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: that's why i am so against him spending like there is no tomorrow, iraqi war
: ...
: We should cut government, cut spending, that's all i am for, can't you see?
:
: generation.
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 159 你是否moron有谁care？大家不是你爹妈，你不要自作多情，伸手要钱。
法轮宫不得病不交钱，你凭啥骂法轮宫无耻？
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Do you think I am moron that have no sense. I am all for these as well. I
: also welcome any progress, no matter how little. If you look at current
: budget, it is not increasing that much. High deficit is mainly caused by
: receduced tax revanue in a recession and Obama's plan to send us $800 each
: year in next 10 years.
:
: war
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 160 see that's why i say your facts are not straight.
the obama deficit is all about spending, including the current healthcare
reform spending.
we should cut tax, and cut spending.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Do you think I am moron that have no sense. I am all for these as well. I
: also welcome any progress, no matter how little. If you look at current
: budget, it is not increasing that much. High deficit is mainly caused by
: receduced tax revanue in a recession and Obama's plan to send us $800 each
: year in next 10 years.
:
: war
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 161 Who cares. You will pay your bill. So bend over. Resistance is useless.
【在 p*****e 的大作中提到】
: 你是否moron有谁care？大家不是你爹妈，你不要自作多情，伸手要钱。
: 法轮宫不得病不交钱，你凭啥骂法轮宫无耻？
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 162
Your group is so small and has no say on anything.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Who cares. You will pay your bill. So bend over. Resistance is useless.
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 163 你GA法轮宫不得病不交钱是无耻，脑瘤李不得病不交钱无耻吗？
你说一句李师傅无耻让大伙儿听听。。。
your chops are busted, hole.
蛤蛤蛤。。。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Who cares. You will pay your bill. So bend over. Resistance is useless.
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V*******C
发帖数: 36 | 164 well, your heath care cost may seem to stabilize if the bill were passed,
but your tax will definitely go up to help cover the total cost of the
obamacare.
You think it's a good deal?
year
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Why not. We have to consider that health care benefits are your hidden
: salary. I notice I have to pay more out of pocket for health care every year
: . When the cost becomes inhibitory, my employer may cut my benefit.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 165 It is all about risk vs reward. This is how this bill will be paid.
The whole package will cost $940 billion over 10 years to provide expanded
insurance coverage, according to the CBO forecast. In addition, the new plan
could reduce the deficit by $138 billion over the first 10 years -- $20
billion more than the Senate bill.
Over the following decade, CBO projected, it could reduce the deficit by
more than $1 trillion, although the agency stressed that such long-term
projections are highly uncer
【在 V*******C 的大作中提到】
: well, your heath care cost may seem to stabilize if the bill were passed,
: but your tax will definitely go up to help cover the total cost of the
: obamacare.
: You think it's a good deal?
:
: year
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 166 说这么多废话没用。
人家一辈子不生病你凭啥抢人家钱？你凭啥说法轮宫无辜群众无耻？
plan
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: It is all about risk vs reward. This is how this bill will be paid.
: The whole package will cost $940 billion over 10 years to provide expanded
: insurance coverage, according to the CBO forecast. In addition, the new plan
: could reduce the deficit by $138 billion over the first 10 years -- $20
: billion more than the Senate bill.
: Over the following decade, CBO projected, it could reduce the deficit by
: more than $1 trillion, although the agency stressed that such long-term
: projections are highly uncer
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 167 If you do not want it, you can leave. The idea from your small group will
not be listened. You will have to pay. so 多废话没用.
【在 p*****e 的大作中提到】
: 说这么多废话没用。
: 人家一辈子不生病你凭啥抢人家钱？你凭啥说法轮宫无辜群众无耻？
:
: plan
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b**u
发帖数: 1206 | 168 dude, you must have a fulltime job to support your watering on this board. I
find your watering speed amazing. 20X of my speed.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If you do not want it, you can leave. The idea from your small group will
: not be listened. You will have to pay. so 多废话没用.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 169 I feel I spend too much time on this website as well. I plan not to visit
this board for several years.
I
【在 b**u 的大作中提到】
: dude, you must have a fulltime job to support your watering on this board. I
: find your watering speed amazing. 20X of my speed.
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 170 看，自搧耳光理屈词穷了吧。
骂别人无耻，抢了别人钱，然后让别人离开自己的家园。你觉得自己是强盗么？
强盗的台词总是：要打此路过，留下买路财，You will have to pay。
你在这儿自搧耳光地打镲好几天，现在知道多废话没用了吧？
侯赛因都没你胆量大，真以为“政府”大过天？你以为李师傅统治宇宙了？
先读读米国宪法吧，侯赛因法轮懦夫司机，呵呵。。。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If you do not want it, you can leave. The idea from your small group will
: not be listened. You will have to pay. so 多废话没用.
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V*******C
发帖数: 36 | 171 I highly recommend, when looking at a government analysis of a new policy,
pay only attention to the cost and tax numbers, and times each of 10
afterwards, just to be a little closer to reality.
You see, there have been so many wonderful policies in the history of
government. And unfortunately they all lead to this not so wonderful status
quo: bigger and bigger government, higher and higher tax for everybody,
regardless of whether you are born or not yet. |
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 172 For the group of your guy that have a good job and do not want to pay your
insurance bill, your long overdue bill will come to your door.
No body force you to leave. I suggest that you CAN leave if you are so
upset about the health care reform.
【在 p*****e 的大作中提到】
: 看，自搧耳光理屈词穷了吧。
: 骂别人无耻，抢了别人钱，然后让别人离开自己的家园。你觉得自己是强盗么？
: 强盗的台词总是：要打此路过，留下买路财，You will have to pay。
: 你在这儿自搧耳光地打镲好几天，现在知道多废话没用了吧？
: 侯赛因都没你胆量大，真以为“政府”大过天？你以为李师傅统治宇宙了？
: 先读读米国宪法吧，侯赛因法轮懦夫司机，呵呵。。。
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 173 果蝇，不要臆造自己不知道的事实。
一个不得病的法轮宫无辜群众，你为什么要骂人家无耻，还要抢人家的钱去养那些抢杀
老中的懒人吸毒犯？
这个问题让你的劈叉逻辑自搧耳光小便不通了？
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: For the group of your guy that have a good job and do not want to pay your
: insurance bill, your long overdue bill will come to your door.
: No body force you to leave. I suggest that you CAN leave if you are so
: upset about the health care reform.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 174 But this is not government takeover many people here want to disinformation.
The government want to highly regulate the health insurance industry. If
you know how the electricity companies work here, you have an idea. The
health care is still run by private companies. They just are regulated more
by government. I do not believe deregulation can do wonder. Look what
happens to finance and energy market when deregulation. All shits hit fan,
we have the most severe financial crisis since depression
【在 V*******C 的大作中提到】
: I highly recommend, when looking at a government analysis of a new policy,
: pay only attention to the cost and tax numbers, and times each of 10
: afterwards, just to be a little closer to reality.
: You see, there have been so many wonderful policies in the history of
: government. And unfortunately they all lead to this not so wonderful status
: quo: bigger and bigger government, higher and higher tax for everybody,
: regardless of whether you are born or not yet.
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 175 你来disinformation一下这个问题：
对于无辜的法轮宫不得病的群众，根本不占用任何公共资源，这本身已经是对社会的双
重精神和物质的极大贡献了，为什么你要强迫人家交钱去养那些抢杀老中的懒人吸毒犯
、而且被你辱骂成无耻？
侯赛因政府用这种强盗逻辑迫害无辜的法轮宫群众，这是令人不齿令人发指的懦夫暴行
，不得病的法轮宫无辜群众绝不答应。
不得病的李师傅让你法轮反转小便不通。
disinformation.
more
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: But this is not government takeover many people here want to disinformation.
: The government want to highly regulate the health insurance industry. If
: you know how the electricity companies work here, you have an idea. The
: health care is still run by private companies. They just are regulated more
: by government. I do not believe deregulation can do wonder. Look what
: happens to finance and energy market when deregulation. All shits hit fan,
: we have the most severe financial crisis since depression
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 176 这可由不得你自己。
等李师傅给你上发条让你法轮反转的时候，你就知道说不得病的法轮宫不交钱无耻是什
么下场了，呵呵。。。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I feel I spend too much time on this website as well. I plan not to visit
: this board for several years.
:
: I
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V*******C
发帖数: 36 | 177 You want to believe and trust the good intention behind a government policy,
who wouldn't as they absolutely control our pocket?
I just pointed out the sad truth about all those wonderful policies, no
matter how many good intentions once surrounded them.
You think deregulation caused the financial crisis? how about the "greenspan
put" that every wall streeter bought into long time ago and used to
rationalize their behavior?
disinformation.
more
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: But this is not government takeover many people here want to disinformation.
: The government want to highly regulate the health insurance industry. If
: you know how the electricity companies work here, you have an idea. The
: health care is still run by private companies. They just are regulated more
: by government. I do not believe deregulation can do wonder. Look what
: happens to finance and energy market when deregulation. All shits hit fan,
: we have the most severe financial crisis since depression
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 178 The world is not white/back. It is all depending on the degree of regulation
. In my dict, 100% regulation communism, bad. 0% regulation, completely free
market, bad as well.
policy,
greenspan
【在 V*******C 的大作中提到】
: You want to believe and trust the good intention behind a government policy,
: who wouldn't as they absolutely control our pocket?
: I just pointed out the sad truth about all those wonderful policies, no
: matter how many good intentions once surrounded them.
: You think deregulation caused the financial crisis? how about the "greenspan
: put" that every wall streeter bought into long time ago and used to
: rationalize their behavior?
:
: disinformation.
: more
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V*******C
发帖数: 36 | 179 Ture, the world is not white/black, but it usually doen't work either if you
want to have both ways by taking the midddle ground.
Are you even sure you can find the right spot right in the middle?
regulation
free
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: The world is not white/back. It is all depending on the degree of regulation
: . In my dict, 100% regulation communism, bad. 0% regulation, completely free
: market, bad as well.
:
: policy,
: greenspan
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 180 I do not want to debate the cause of recent financial crisis we should leave
it to Economists. I am sure that this event will subject to much research.
It is hard to get right in the middle. And the right place also change with
context. But this country has a system in place to adjust the degree of
regulation when it is overdone.
you
【在 V*******C 的大作中提到】
: Ture, the world is not white/black, but it usually doen't work either if you
: want to have both ways by taking the midddle ground.
: Are you even sure you can find the right spot right in the middle?
:
: regulation
: free
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 181 because you have not found any spin available yet to rebuff the facts we
provided about housing crisis.
leave
with
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I do not want to debate the cause of recent financial crisis we should leave
: it to Economists. I am sure that this event will subject to much research.
: It is hard to get right in the middle. And the right place also change with
: context. But this country has a system in place to adjust the degree of
: regulation when it is overdone.
:
: you
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 182 I am aware the facts you provide. I just have different view. Why are you so
certain that your view must be right or closer to the truth.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: because you have not found any spin available yet to rebuff the facts we
: provided about housing crisis.
:
: leave
: with
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 183 do you have facts to back up your view?
i dont see any.
so
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I am aware the facts you provide. I just have different view. Why are you so
: certain that your view must be right or closer to the truth.
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V*******C
发帖数: 36 | 184 That which is constantly making adjustments is none other than the market.
Which do you think would have the better chance of getting it correct
eventually with more efficiency: the political system or a free market?
leave
with
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I do not want to debate the cause of recent financial crisis we should leave
: it to Economists. I am sure that this event will subject to much research.
: It is hard to get right in the middle. And the right place also change with
: context. But this country has a system in place to adjust the degree of
: regulation when it is overdone.
:
: you
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 185 Market is always overreact, I mind you. We are trying to even the
fluctuation caused by market over pessimism and overenthusiasm. Goverment
regulation is not to replace the market. This is why Fed is constantly
attempt to influence dollar exchange rate vs pound, euro and others.
【在 V*******C 的大作中提到】
: That which is constantly making adjustments is none other than the market.
: Which do you think would have the better chance of getting it correct
: eventually with more efficiency: the political system or a free market?
:
: leave
: with
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 186 government owns 90% of home loans of this country.
government is the defacto market in the home loan biz, and that's why we had
the last mortgage crisis.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Market is always overreact, I mind you. We are trying to even the
: fluctuation caused by market over pessimism and overenthusiasm. Goverment
: regulation is not to replace the market. This is why Fed is constantly
: attempt to influence dollar exchange rate vs pound, euro and others.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 187 I guess that you do not know why we end up like this. While you are enjoying
the exact benefit, you are crying like a baby.
had
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: government owns 90% of home loans of this country.
: government is the defacto market in the home loan biz, and that's why we had
: the last mortgage crisis.
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 188 傻屄寄生虫真是贼喊捉贼，勤劳缴税的反而被懒人吸毒犯说成寄生虫。
你是金粒餐养大的吧？
enjoying
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I guess that you do not know why we end up like this. While you are enjoying
: the exact benefit, you are crying like a baby.
:
: had
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 189 Please continue doing so.
【在 p*****e 的大作中提到】
: 傻屄寄生虫真是贼喊捉贼，勤劳缴税的反而被懒人吸毒犯说成寄生虫。
: 你是金粒餐养大的吧？
:
: enjoying
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 190 你可以继续宣称勤俭存钱是罪恶，健康劳动是无耻。
法轮宫李师傅让你上层次。。。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Please continue doing so.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 191 When do I say that working class are
parasites? What I say is that if you do not pay your due now, you possibly
become a parasite when you are older. there is chance that you can not pay
your million dollar health care bill.
【在 p*****e 的大作中提到】
: 你可以继续宣称勤俭存钱是罪恶，健康劳动是无耻。
: 法轮宫李师傅让你上层次。。。
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 192 身体健康，劳动挣钱、缴税、存钱，怎么成寄生虫的？
现行懒人吸毒犯没看见你说无耻寄生虫的。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: When do I say that working class are
: parasites? What I say is that if you do not pay your due now, you possibly
: become a parasite when you are older. there is chance that you can not pay
: your million dollar health care bill.
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