l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56132
Government-Run Rail System Losing $32 per Passenger, Study Shows
Tuesday, October 27, 2009
By Kevin Freking, Associated Press
A skycap stands next to an Amtrak train in New York's Penn Station. U.S.
taxpayers spent about $32 subsidizing the cost of the typical Amtrak
passenger in 2008, about four times the rail operator's estimate, according
to a new study. (AP File Photo/Mary Altaffer)
Washington (AP) - U.S. taxpayers spent about $32 subsidizing the cos |
p*******s
发帖数: 1613 | 2 Public transportation should always be subsidized. What's wrong with that?
Keep in mind that in taking the train, those passengers are not creating
much less noise, pollution or greenhouse gas than those who drive a car to
work on a daily basis.
So yes, those car drivers should subsidize them. |
c*****t
发帖数: 1879 | 3 I think the issue here is losing too much money. $32 per traveller...
Probably some management issues.
【在 p*******s 的大作中提到】
: Public transportation should always be subsidized. What's wrong with that?
: Keep in mind that in taking the train, those passengers are not creating
: much less noise, pollution or greenhouse gas than those who drive a car to
: work on a daily basis.
: So yes, those car drivers should subsidize them.
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 4 bullshit, 这种公司应该privatize, 你看能不能盈利?
【在 p*******s 的大作中提到】
: Public transportation should always be subsidized. What's wrong with that?
: Keep in mind that in taking the train, those passengers are not creating
: much less noise, pollution or greenhouse gas than those who drive a car to
: work on a daily basis.
: So yes, those car drivers should subsidize them.
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p*******s
发帖数: 1613 | 5 Obviously you know little about business/economics and assume all industries
are most efficient if privatized.
Public infrastructure is not for making profits. It is to provide service
with a reasonable return. For example, if all the power plants are private
and not regulated, guess how much your electricity bill will go up? |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 6 Hell.
go f*cking look at this,
http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/12909744-1.html
During such a depression as of now,
...
Against this backdrop, the push by the executives of the massive
Metropolitan Water District of Southern California to raise the pensions of
MWD's 2,000 employees by 25 percent isn't just a disappointing error in
judgment. It is madness.
...
MWD just raised water rates by 19 percent and intends to raise rates again
by 12 percent nex
【在 p*******s 的大作中提到】
: Obviously you know little about business/economics and assume all industries
: are most efficient if privatized.
: Public infrastructure is not for making profits. It is to provide service
: with a reasonable return. For example, if all the power plants are private
: and not regulated, guess how much your electricity bill will go up?
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m******t
发帖数: 2416 | 7
industries
Regulation != participation. The FDA
has many very good reasons to regulate the food industry, but that
doesn't mean that FDA should get into the sausage making business
itself.
That said, I personally think that it is probably necessary to subsidize
Amtrak from a "public service" standpoint. However that does _not_
become a valid argument against that private enterprises tend to be
more efficient. IOW, government-run entities are inherently and
almost inevitably less efficient, but
【在 p*******s 的大作中提到】
: Obviously you know little about business/economics and assume all industries
: are most efficient if privatized.
: Public infrastructure is not for making profits. It is to provide service
: with a reasonable return. For example, if all the power plants are private
: and not regulated, guess how much your electricity bill will go up?
|
L********e
发帖数: 90 | 8 Don't know how they are still losing money. Amtrak is so ridiculously
expensive.
A ticket from NYC->Boston could cost $150 even $200 one way, and you can
just pay $25 by taking the bus
at Chinatown. And they both take about 4 hours. I guess those working
for the Amtrak must all have six figure
salary.
according
the
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56132
: Government-Run Rail System Losing $32 per Passenger, Study Shows
: Tuesday, October 27, 2009
: By Kevin Freking, Associated Press
: A skycap stands next to an Amtrak train in New York's Penn Station. U.S.
: taxpayers spent about $32 subsidizing the cost of the typical Amtrak
: passenger in 2008, about four times the rail operator's estimate, according
: to a new study. (AP File Photo/Mary Altaffer)
: Washington (AP) - U.S. taxpayers spent about $32 subsidizing the cos
|
c*****n
发帖数: 581 | 9 以前美国的铁路都是私营的。
后来由于竞争激烈，这些铁路业者联合起来要求政府干预，
要求价格固定等等，慢慢的就国有化了。
你可以看看铁路的国有化历史。
这个在free to choose作为一个反面的例子说明那些打着为消费者利益的团体如何利用
纳税人的钱。
industries
【在 p*******s 的大作中提到】
: Obviously you know little about business/economics and assume all industries
: are most efficient if privatized.
: Public infrastructure is not for making profits. It is to provide service
: with a reasonable return. For example, if all the power plants are private
: and not regulated, guess how much your electricity bill will go up?
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 10 heihei...
拉倒吧.
actually the private american railroad system is single handed destroyed by the us government.
【在 c*****n 的大作中提到】
: 以前美国的铁路都是私营的。
: 后来由于竞争激烈，这些铁路业者联合起来要求政府干预，
: 要求价格固定等等，慢慢的就国有化了。
: 你可以看看铁路的国有化历史。
: 这个在free to choose作为一个反面的例子说明那些打着为消费者利益的团体如何利用
: 纳税人的钱。
:
: industries
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c*****n
发帖数: 581 | 11 没有铁路业者的诉求，政府才懒得管这事情。
是部分铁路业者要求政府监管价格。
于是有个agency就建立起来，
统一各个公司的价格，
监管的多了 ，慢慢的铁路也就被国有化了
by the us government.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: heihei...
: 拉倒吧.
: actually the private american railroad system is single handed destroyed by the us government.
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 12 lol...
do you actually know the history?
【在 c*****n 的大作中提到】
: 没有铁路业者的诉求，政府才懒得管这事情。
: 是部分铁路业者要求政府监管价格。
: 于是有个agency就建立起来，
: 统一各个公司的价格，
: 监管的多了 ，慢慢的铁路也就被国有化了
:
: by the us government.
|
c*****n
发帖数: 581 | 13 do you actually know the history?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: lol...
: do you actually know the history?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 14 what destroyed railroad?
National Highway System
What are the competition?
automobiles, buses, trucks, and aircraft, all of which were heavily
subsidized by the government road and airport building programs.
Who ultimately has such f*cking power?
government!
【在 c*****n 的大作中提到】
: do you actually know the history?
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c*****n
发帖数: 581 | 15 没有国有化在先，铁路在高速公路的竞争面前也不会不堪一击。
另外高速公路的运输后来也被管制了。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: what destroyed railroad?
: National Highway System
: What are the competition?
: automobiles, buses, trucks, and aircraft, all of which were heavily
: subsidized by the government road and airport building programs.
: Who ultimately has such f*cking power?
: government!
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 16 lol...
history is not speculation.
【在 c*****n 的大作中提到】
: 没有国有化在先，铁路在高速公路的竞争面前也不会不堪一击。
: 另外高速公路的运输后来也被管制了。
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k*********g
发帖数: 791 | 17 美国国营Amtrak铁路，平均每个乘客要纳税人补贴$32美元;
是100年补贴那么多吗？
那没什么啊； |
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 18 Amtrak is subsided $136,000 per employee each year by taxpayers.
"Rail Safety Improvement Act of 2008", was signed into law by President Bush
on October 16, 2008. The bill appropriates $2.6 billion a year in Amtrak
funding through 2013. Amtrak employs nearly 19,000 people.
【在 k*********g 的大作中提到】
: 美国国营Amtrak铁路，平均每个乘客要纳税人补贴$32美元;
: 是100年补贴那么多吗？
: 那没什么啊；
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 19 狗屁, 当年SF的Muni和Bart可是我去审计的. 这种东东我比你懂得多.
industries
【在 p*******s 的大作中提到】
: Obviously you know little about business/economics and assume all industries
: are most efficient if privatized.
: Public infrastructure is not for making profits. It is to provide service
: with a reasonable return. For example, if all the power plants are private
: and not regulated, guess how much your electricity bill will go up?
|
f*******l
发帖数: 8811 | 20 wokao.
票价这么贵还要政府补贴。 我看干脆关掉算了。
【在 L********e 的大作中提到】
: Don't know how they are still losing money. Amtrak is so ridiculously
: expensive.
: A ticket from NYC->Boston could cost $150 even $200 one way, and you can
: just pay $25 by taking the bus
: at Chinatown. And they both take about 4 hours. I guess those working
: for the Amtrak must all have six figure
: salary.
:
: according
: the
|
k******y
发帖数: 236 | 21 amtrak关了你开个铁路公司开火车给我坐？
【在 f*******l 的大作中提到】
: wokao.
: 票价这么贵还要政府补贴。 我看干脆关掉算了。
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