l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 1 弥赛亚的本意奏是受膏的君主，大祭司，譬如大卫王，拥有这个名号也不需要一定是犹
太人，譬如在犹太圣经里居鲁士二世也被称为弥赛亚。当两千年前弱小的犹太民族再度
面临灭国之变的时候，老百姓盼望着会再次有弥赛亚出现，某个拯救他们于水深
火热带领他们打倒对手的救星，举个例子就像是战乱时代中国的李自成，老毛。 因为
这个原因，那段日子是弥赛亚出现异常频繁的时代，其中最广为人知的一位奏是后代基
督教的奠基者，Jeshua ben Joseph，又叫作拿撒勒人耶稣。
以下名单按日期和宗教排列
犹太教
Simon of Peraea (died c. 4 BCE), son of Joseph， was a former slave of
Herod the Great who rebelled and was killed by the Romans in 4 BC. He has
been identified as the messiah of Gabriel's Revelation. He is mentioned by
Flavius Josephus
Jesus of Nazareth (c. 5 BCE – 30 CE), son of Joseph，leader of a small
Jewish sect who was crucified; Jews who believed him to be the Messiah were
the first Christians, also known as Jewish Christians. Christians and
Messianic Jews believe him to be the real Messiah.
Athronges (c. 3 CE), a shepherd turned rebel leader.
Menahem ben Judah, allegedly son of Judas of Galilee, partook in a revolt
against Agrippa II before being slain by a rival Zealot leader.
Vespasian, c. 70, according to Josephus
Simon bar Kokhba (died c. 135), founded a short-lived Jewish state before
being defeated in the Second Jewish-Roman War.
Moses of Crete, who in about 440–470 convinced the Jews of Crete to attempt
to walk into the sea to return to Israel; he disappeared after that
disaster.
Ishak ben Ya'kub Obadiah Abu 'Isa al-Isfahani (684–705), who led a revolt
in Persia against the Umayyad Caliph 'Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan.
Yudghan (?), a disciple of Abu 'Isa who continued the faith after Isa was
slain.
Serene (?), who around 720 claimed to be the Messiah and advocated expulsion
of Muslims and relaxing various rabbinic laws before being arrested; he
then recanted.
David Alroy (?), born in Kurdistan, who around 1160 agitated against the
caliph before being assassinated.
Nissim ben Abraham (?), active around 1295.
Moses Botarel of Cisneros (?), active around 1413; claimed to be a sorcerer
able to combine the names of God.
Asher Lämmlein (?), a German near Venice who proclaimed himself a
forerunner of the Messiah in 1502.
David Reubeni (1490–1541?) and Solomon Molcho (1500–1532), adventurers who
travelled in Portugal, Italy and Turkey; Molcho was eventually burned at
the stake by the Pope.
A mostly unknown Czech Jew from around the 1650s.
Sabbatai Zevi (1626–1676), an Ottoman Jew who claimed to be the Messiah,
but then converted to Islam; still has followers today in the Donmeh.
Barukhia Russo (Osman Baba), successor of Sabbatai Zevi.
Jacob Querido (?–1690), claimed to be the new incarnation of Sabbatai;
later converted to Islam and led the Donmeh.
Miguel Cardoso (1630–1706), another successor of Sabbatai who claimed to be
the "Messiah ben Ephraim."
Mordecai Mokia (1650–1729), "the Rebuker," another person who proclaimed
himself Messiah after Sabbatai's death.
Löbele Prossnitz (?–1750), attained some following amongst former
followers of Sabbatai, calling himself the "Messiah ben Joseph."
Jacob Joseph Frank (1726–1791), who claimed to be the reincarnation of King
David and preached a synthesis of Christianity and Judaism.
Menachem Mendel Schneerson (1902–1994), the seventh Chabad Rabbi who tried
to "prepare the way" for the Messiah. An unidentifiable number of his
followers believe him to be the Messiah, though he himself never said this
and actually scoffed at such claims which were made during his lifetime.
基督教
Simon Magus (early 1st century), he was Samaritan, and a native of Gitta; he
was considered a god in Simonianism; he "darkly hinted" that he himself was
Christ, calling himself the Standing One.
Dositheos the Samaritan (mid 1st century), he was one of the supposed
founders of Mandaeanism. After the time of Jesus he wished to persuade the
Samaritans that he himself was the Messiah prophesied by Moses. Dositheus
pretended to be the Christ (Messiah), applying Deuteronomy 18:15 to himself,
and he compares him with Theudas and Judas the Galilean.
Tanchelm of Antwerp (c. 1110), who violently opposed the sacrament and the
Eucharist.
Ann Lee (1736–1784), a central figure to the Shakers,[14] who thought she "
embodied all the perfections of God" in female form and considered herself
to be Christ’s female counterpart in 1772.
Bernhard Müller (c. 1799–1834) claimed to be the Lion of Judah and a
prophet in possession of the Philosopher's stone.
John Nichols Thom (1799–1838), a Cornish tax rebel.
Arnold Potter (1804–1872), Latter Day Saint schismatic leader; called
himself "Potter Christ"
Hong Xiuquan (1814–1864), Hakka Chinese; claimed himself to be the younger
brother of Jesus Christ; started the Taiping Rebellion and founded the
Heavenly Kingdom of Great Peace. Committed suicide before the fall of
Tianjing (Nanjing) in 1864.
Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri, Bahá'u'lláh (1817–1864), born Shiite, adopting B
ábism later in life, he claimed to be the promised one of all religions,
and founded the Bahá'í Faith.
Jacobina Mentz Maurer (1841 or 1842-1874) was a German-Brazilian woman who
lived and died in the state of Rio Grande do Sul who emerged as a messianic
prophetess, a representation of God, and later declared the very
reincarnation of Jesus Christ on earth by her German-speaking community
called Die Muckers (or the false saints) by her enemies, Die Spotters (or
the mockers). After a number of deadly confrontations with outsiders,
Jacobina was shot to death together with many of her followers by the
Brazilian Imperial Army.
William W. Davies (1833–1906), Latter Day Saint (Mormon) schismatic leader;
claimed that his infant son Arthur (born 1868) was the reincarnated Jesus
Christ.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India (1835–1908), claimed to be the awaited
Mahdi as well as (Second Coming) and likeness of Jesus the promised Messiah
at the end of time, being the only person in Islamic history who claimed to
be both. He claimed to be Jesus in the metaphorical sense; in character. He
founded the Ahmadiyya Movement in 1889 envisioning it to be the rejuvenation
of Islam, and claimed to be commissioned by God for the reformation of
mankind.[16] He declared that Jesus survived crucifixion and died a natural
death having migrated towards the east.
Cyrus Reed Teed (October 18, 1839 - December 22, 1908, erroneously Cyrus
Tweed) was a U.S. eclectic physician and alchemist turned religious leader
and messiah. In 1869, claiming divine inspiration, Dr. Teed took on the name
Koresh and proposed a new set of scientific and religious ideas he called
Koreshanity.
Father Divine (George Baker) (c. 1880 – September 10, 1965), an African
American spiritual leader from about 1907 until his death who claimed to be
God.
André Matsoua (1899–1942), Congolese founder of Amicale, proponents of
which subsequently adopted him as Messiah in the late 1920s.
Ahn Sahng-hong (1918–1985), founder of the New Covenant Passover Church of
God and worshiped by the members of the World Mission Society Church of God
as the messiah.
Samael Aun Weor (1917–1977), born Víctor Manuel Gómez Rodríguez,
Colombian citizen and later Mexican, was an author, lecturer and founder of
the 'Universal Christian Gnostic Movement', according to him, 'the most
powerful movement ever founded'. By 1972, he referenced that his death and
resurrection would be occurring before 1978.
Sun Myung Moon (1920–2012), founder and leader of the Unification Church
established in Seoul, South Korea, who considered himself the Second Coming
of Christ, but not Jesus himself in 1954.[19] Although it is generally
believed by Unification Church members ("Moonies") that he is the Messiah
and the Second Coming of Christ and is anointed to fulfill Jesus' unfinished
mission.
Yahweh ben Yahweh (1935–2007), born as Hulon Mitchell, Jr., a black
nationalist and separatist who created the Nation of Yahweh and allegedly
orchestrated the murder of dozens of persons.
Laszlo Toth (born 1940) claimed he was Jesus Christ as he battered
Michelangelo's Pieta with a geologist hammer.
Wayne Bent (born 1941), also known as Michael Travesser of the Lord Our
Righteousness Church, also known as the "Strong City Cult", convicted
December 15, 2008 of one count of criminal sexual contact of a minor and two
counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor in 2008.
Iesu Matayoshi (born 1944), in 1997 he established the World Economic
Community Party based on his conviction that he is God and the Christ.
Jung Myung Seok (born 1945), a South Korean who was a member of the
Unification Church in the 1970s, before breaking off to found the dissenting
group[21] now known as Providence Church in 1980. He also considers himself
the Second Coming of Christ, but not Jesus himself in 1980. He believes he
has come to finish the incomplete message and mission of Jesus Christ,
asserting that he is the Messiah and has the responsibility to save all
mankind.[25] He claims that the Christian doctrine of resurrection is false
but that people can be saved through him.
Claude Vorilhon now known as Raël "messenger of the Elohim" (born 1946)
, a French professional test driver and former automobile journalist became
founder and leader of UFO religion the Raël Movement in 1972, which
teaches that life on Earth was scientifically created by a species of
extraterrestrials, which they call Elohim. He claimed he met an
extraterrestrial humanoid in 1973 and became the Messiah.Then devoted
himself to the task he said was given by his "biological father", an
extraterrestrial named Yahweh.
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda (born 1946), a Puerto Rican preacher who has
claimed to be "the Man Jesus Christ", who is indwelled with the same spirit
that dwelled in Jesus. Founder of the "Growing in Grace" ministries.
Inri Cristo (born 1948) of Indaial, Brazil, a claimant to be the second
Jesus.[29]
Apollo Quiboloy (born 1950), founder and leader of the Kingdom of Jesus
Christ religious group, who claims that Jesus Christ is the "Almighty Father
," that Quiboloy is "His Appointed Son," and that salvation is now completed
. Proclaims himself as the "Appointed Son of the God" not direct to the
point as the "Begotten Son of the God" in 1985.
David Icke (born 1952), of Great Britain, has described himself as "the son
of God", and a "channel for the Christ spirit".
Brian David Mitchell was born on October 18, 1953 in Salt Lake City, Utah,
he believed himself the fore-ordained angel born on earth to be the Davidic
"servant" prepared by God as a type of Messiah who would restore the
divinely led kingdom of Israel to the world in preparation for Christ's
second coming. (Mitchell's belief in such an end-times figure – also known
among many fundamentalist Latter Day Saints as "the One Mighty and Strong"
– appeared to be based in part on a reading of the biblical book of Isaiah
by the independent LDS Hebraist, Avraham Gileadi, with which Mitchell became
familiar from his former participation with Stirling Allan's American Study
Group.)
David Koresh (Vernon Wayne Howell) (1959–1993), leader of the Branch
Davidians.
Maria Devi Christos (born 1960), founder of the Great White Brotherhood.
Sergei Torop (born 1961), who started to call himself "Vissarion", founder
of the Church of the Last Testament and the spiritual community Ecopolis
Tiberkul in Southern Siberia.
David Shayler (born 1965), former MI5 agent and whistleblower who declared
himself the Messiah on 7 July 2007.
Alan John Miller (born 1964), founder of Divine Truth, a new religious
movement based in Australia. Alan John Miller, also known as A.J., who
claims to be Jesus of Nazareth through reincarnation. Miller was formerly an
elder in the Jehovah's Witnesses.
José Luis de Jesús Miranda (born April 22, 1946 in Ponce, Puerto Rico),
founder and leader of Creciendo en Gracia sect (Growing In Grace
International Ministry, Inc.), based in Miami, Florida. He claims to be both
Jesus Christ returned and the Antichrist, and exhibits a "666" tattoo on
his forearm. He has referred to himself as Jesucristo Hombre, which
translates to "Jesus Christ made Man"
穆斯林：People claiming to be the Mahdi
Islamic tradition has a prophecy of the Mahdi, who will come alongside the
return of Isa (Jesus).
Muhammad Jaunpuri (1443–1505), who traveled Northeastern India; he
influenced the Mahdavia and the Zikris.
Báb (1819–1850), who declared himself to be the promised Mahdi in Shiraz,
Iran in 1844. (Related to Baha'i claims.)
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835–1908) of Qadian, 'the Promised Messiah' return of
Jesus as well as the 'Mahdi', founder of the Ahmadiyya religious movement.
He preached that Jesus Christ had survived crucifixion and died a natural
death. He was the only person in Islamic history to have claimed to be both
the promised return of Jesus as well as the promised Mahdi.
Muhammad Ahmad ("The Mad Mahdi") (1844–1885), who declared himself the
Mahdi in 1881, defeated the Ottoman Egyptian authority, and founded a short-
lived empire in Sudan.
Sayyid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan (1864–1920) of Somaliland, who engaged in
military conflicts from 1900 to 1920.
Rashad Khalifa (1935–1990), an Egyptian-American biochemist who claimed
that he had discovered a mathematical code in the text of the Qur'an
involving the number 19; he later claimed to be the "Messenger of the
Covenant" and founded the "Submitters International" movement before being
murdered.
Juhayman al-Otaibi (1936–1980), who seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca in
November 1979 and declared his son-in-law the Mahdi.
[edit]Other/combination messiah claimants
其他宗教：This list features people who are said, either by themselves or
their followers, to be some form of a messiah that do not easily fit into
only Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Haile Selassie of Ethiopia (1892–1975), Messiah of the Rastafari movement.
Never claimed himself to be Messiah, but was thus proclaimed by Leonard
Howell, amongst others.
André Matsoua (1899–1942), Congolese founder of Amicale, proponents of
which subsequently adopted him as Messiah.
Samael Aun Weor (1917–1977), born Víctor Manuel Gómez Rodríguez,
Colombian citizen and later Mexican, was an author, lecturer and founder of
the 'Universal Christian Gnostic Movement', according to him, 'the most
powerful movement ever founded'. By 1972, Samael Aun Weor referenced that
his death and resurrection would be occurring before 1978.
Nirmala Srivastava (1923–2011), guru and goddess of Sahaja Yoga, proclaimed
herself to be the Comforter promised by Jesus (that is, the incarnation of
the Holy Ghost / Adi Shakti).
Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi (born 25 November 1941) is a spiritual leader and the
founder of the spiritual movements Messiah Foundation International (MFI)
and Anjuman Serfaroshan-e-Islam. He is controversial for being declared the
Mehdi, Messiah, and Kalki Avatar by the MFI.
Raël, leader of the International Raëlian Movement (born 30
September 1946); Rael claimed he met an extraterrestrial being in 1973 and
became the Messiah.
World Teacher (unknown), a being claimed to be the Theosophical Maitreya and
the Messiah (promised one) of all religions. He is said to have descended
from the higher planes and manifested a physical body in early 1977 in the
Himalayas, then on 19 July 1977 he is said to have taken a commercial
airplane flight from Pakistan to England. He is currently said to be living
in secret in London; promoted by New Age activist Benjamin Creme and his
organization, Share International (See Maitreya (Benjamin Creme)).
Ryuho Okawa (born 7 July 1956 ), is the founder of Happy Science in Japan.
Okawa claims to channel the spirits of Muhammad, Christ, Buddha and
Confucius and claims to be the incarnation of the supreme spiritual being
called El Cantare. | j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 2 不用搜索，那些名字大家能知道除了耶稣外的一个吗？
使徒行传 5
29 彼得和众使徒回答说，顺从神，不顺从人，是应当的。
30 你们挂在木头上杀害的耶稣，我们祖宗的神已经叫他复活。
31 神且用右手将他高举，（或作他就是神高举在自己的右边）叫他作君王，作救主，
将悔改的心，和赦罪的恩，赐给以色列人。
32 我们为这事作见证。神赐给顺从之人的圣灵，也为这事作见证。
33 公会的人听见就极其恼怒，想要杀他们。
34 但有一个法利赛人，名叫迦玛列，是众百姓所敬重的教法师，在公会中站起来，吩
咐人把使徒暂且带到外面去。
35 就对众人说，以色列人哪，论到这些人，你们应当小心怎样办理。
36 从前丢大起来，自夸为大。附从他的人约有四百。他被杀后，附从他的全都散了，
归于无有。
37 此后报名上册的时候，又有加利利的犹大起来，引诱些百姓跟从他，他也灭亡，附
从他的人也都四散了。
38 现在我劝你们不要管这些人，任凭他们吧，他们所谋的，所行的，若是出于人，必
要败坏。
39 若是出于神，你们就不能败坏他们。恐怕你们倒是攻击神了。
40 公会的人听从了他，便叫使徒来，把他们打了，又吩咐他们不可奉耶稣的名讲道，
就把他们释放了。
41 他们离开公会，心里欢喜。因被算是配为这名受辱。
42 他们就每日在殿里，在家里，不住地教训人，传耶稣是基督。 | E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 3 小耶是最出名的，這沒錯。 所以呢？
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: 不用搜索，那些名字大家能知道除了耶稣外的一个吗？
: 使徒行传 5
: 29 彼得和众使徒回答说，顺从神，不顺从人，是应当的。
: 30 你们挂在木头上杀害的耶稣，我们祖宗的神已经叫他复活。
: 31 神且用右手将他高举，（或作他就是神高举在自己的右边）叫他作君王，作救主，
: 将悔改的心，和赦罪的恩，赐给以色列人。
: 32 我们为这事作见证。神赐给顺从之人的圣灵，也为这事作见证。
: 33 公会的人听见就极其恼怒，想要杀他们。
: 34 但有一个法利赛人，名叫迦玛列，是众百姓所敬重的教法师，在公会中站起来，吩
: 咐人把使徒暂且带到外面去。
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 4 怪就怪在Flavius Josephus费了不少笔墨描写Simon of Peraea，Athronges, Menahem
ben Judah, Vespasian,而和作家时间更靠近的耶稣就没啥记录啊，有的那段还是公认
的伪造品
Simon of Peraea
"There was also Simon, who had been a slave of king Herod, but in other
respects a comely person, of a tall and robust body; he was one that was
much superior to others of his order, and had had great things committed to
his care. This man was elevated at the disorderly state of things, and was
so bold as to put a diadem on his head, while a certain number of the people
stood by him, and by them he was declared to be a king, and he thought
himself more worthy of that dignity than any one else." "He burnt down the
royal palace at Jericho, and plundered what was left in it. He also set fire
to many other of the king's houses in several places of the country,
utterly destroyed them, and permitted those that were with him to take what
was left in them for a prey. He would have done greater things, but care was
taken to repress him immediately. [The commander of Herod's infantry]
Gratus joined himself to some Roman soldiers, took the forces he had with
him, and met Simon. And after a great and a long fight, no small part of
those that had come from Peraea (a disordered body of men, fighting rather
in a bold than in a skillful manner) were destroyed. Although Simon had
saved himself by flying away through a certain valley, Gratus overtook him,
and cut off his head."
Jesus of Nazareth 伪造品
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him
a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as
receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews
and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the
suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross,
those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to
them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these
and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of
Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
Athronges
"Athronges, a person neither eminent by the dignity of his progenitors, nor
for any great wealth he possessed. For he had been a mere shepherd, not
known by anybody. But because he was a tall man, and excelled others in the
strength of his hands, he was so bold as to set up for king. This man
thought it so sweet a thing to do more than ordinary injuries to others,
that, although he risked his life, he did not much care if he lost it in so
great a design.
He had four brothers, who were tall men themselves, and were believed to be
superior to others in the strength of their hands, and thereby were
encouraged to aim at great things, and thought that strength of theirs would
support them in retaining the kingdom. Each of these ruled over a band of
men of their own (for those that got together to them were very numerous).
They were every one of them also commanders; but when they came to fight,
they were subordinate to him, and fought for him. After he had put a diadem
about his head, he assembled a council to debate about what things should be
done, and all things were done according to his pleasure. So, this man
retained his power a great while; he was also called king, and had nothing
to hinder him from doing what he pleased.
Together with his brothers, he slew a great many of both of Roman and of the
king's forces, and managed matters with the like hatred to each of them.
They fell upon the king's soldiers because of the licentious conduct they
had been allowed under Herod's government; and they fell upon the Romans,
because of the injuries they had so lately received from them. But in
process of time they grew more cruel to all sorts of men, nor could anyone
escape from one or other of these seditions, since they slew some out of the
hopes of gain, and others from a mere custom of slaying men.
Once, they attacked a Roman company at Emmaus, soldiers who were bringing
grain and weapons to the army, and fell upon Arius, the centurion, who
commanded the company, and shot forty of the best of his foot soldiers. The
other Romans panicked after this slaughter, left their dead behind them, and
were saved by Gratus, who came to their assistance with the king's troops
that he commanded. Now these four brethren continued the war a long while by
such sort of expeditions, and they much grieved the Romans; but they did
their own nation also a great deal of mischief.
Afterwards they were subdued; one of them in a fight with Gratus, another
with Ptolemy; Herod Archelaus took the eldest of them prisoner; while the
last of them was so dejected at the other's misfortune, and saw so plainly
that he had no way now left to save himself, his army being worn away with
sickness and continual labors, that he also delivered himself up to
Archelaus, upon his promise and oath to God to preserve his life. But these
things came to pass a good while afterward."
etc,
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: 不用搜索，那些名字大家能知道除了耶稣外的一个吗？
: 使徒行传 5
: 29 彼得和众使徒回答说，顺从神，不顺从人，是应当的。
: 30 你们挂在木头上杀害的耶稣，我们祖宗的神已经叫他复活。
: 31 神且用右手将他高举，（或作他就是神高举在自己的右边）叫他作君王，作救主，
: 将悔改的心，和赦罪的恩，赐给以色列人。
: 32 我们为这事作见证。神赐给顺从之人的圣灵，也为这事作见证。
: 33 公会的人听见就极其恼怒，想要杀他们。
: 34 但有一个法利赛人，名叫迦玛列，是众百姓所敬重的教法师，在公会中站起来，吩
: 咐人把使徒暂且带到外面去。
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 5 所以耶稣奏是真的，其他的都是假的，估计这就是马大师抱着琵琶羞答答不好意思直言
只好暗示滴强悍结论，另外不用搜索，中国人没人不知道Hong Xiuquan吧
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 小耶是最出名的，這沒錯。 所以呢？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | | J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
Modern scholarship has largely acknowledged the authenticity of the
reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of
Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" and considers it as
having the highest level of authenticity among the references of Josephus to
Christianity. Almost all modern scholars consider the reference in Book 18,
Chapter 5, 2 of the Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the
Baptist to also be authentic.
Menahem
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people
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 怪就怪在Flavius Josephus费了不少笔墨描写Simon of Peraea，Athronges, Menahem
: ben Judah, Vespasian,而和作家时间更靠近的耶稣就没啥记录啊，有的那段还是公认
: 的伪造品
: Simon of Peraea
: "There was also Simon, who had been a slave of king Herod, but in other
: respects a comely person, of a tall and robust body; he was one that was
: much superior to others of his order, and had had great things committed to
: his care. This man was elevated at the disorderly state of things, and was
: so bold as to put a diadem on his head, while a certain number of the people
: stood by him, and by them he was declared to be a king, and he thought
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 8 连“James”都写了就是没写耶稣，怪不怪？
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【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
: Modern scholarship has largely acknowledged the authenticity of the
: reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of
: Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" and considers it as
: having the highest level of authenticity among the references of Josephus to
: Christianity. Almost all modern scholars consider the reference in Book 18,
: Chapter 5, 2 of the Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the
: Baptist to also be authentic.
:
: Menahem
| J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 9 Josephus提到了耶稣，只是一处真实性不是很确定。另一处应该是真实的。
耶稣在的时候Flavius Josephus还没出生，当然不会写的很详细。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 连“James”都写了就是没写耶稣，怪不怪？
:
: to
: 18,
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 10 话说Flavius Josephus写的书是啥你是不是不知道？这么一个惊天动地，对犹太人不能
算不重要的人物除了那一句所谓的Christ的兄弟没别的，另一个是公认假造的，而且最
大的可能就是出自你的那位优西比乌，lol
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: Josephus提到了耶稣，只是一处真实性不是很确定。另一处应该是真实的。
: 耶稣在的时候Flavius Josephus还没出生，当然不会写的很详细。
| | | J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 11 想你说的一样，那时候自称救世主的人不只一个。什么认为大家都该知道耶稣？
Josephus比耶稣晚30年，那时候可没有媒体，天天放新闻。他为什该知道耶稣呢？即使
知道，可能很多人说耶稣是真的，很多人说是假的，人家秉着诚实的态度就没写呗。
你认为一个人没写的东西就不存在么？
你可以怀疑，但要有个度的问题。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 话说Flavius Josephus写的书是啥你是不是不知道？这么一个惊天动地，对犹太人不能
: 算不重要的人物除了那一句所谓的Christ的兄弟没别的，另一个是公认假造的，而且最
: 大的可能就是出自你的那位优西比乌，lol
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 12 请看四楼，谢谢
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: 想你说的一样，那时候自称救世主的人不只一个。什么认为大家都该知道耶稣？
: Josephus比耶稣晚30年，那时候可没有媒体，天天放新闻。他为什该知道耶稣呢？即使
: 知道，可能很多人说耶稣是真的，很多人说是假的，人家秉着诚实的态度就没写呗。
: 你认为一个人没写的东西就不存在么？
: 你可以怀疑，但要有个度的问题。
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | | w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 14 罗马和犹太那段时间的历史文献都没提到福音书内容，不伪造你让人怎么办？不厚道！
Menahem
to
people
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 怪就怪在Flavius Josephus费了不少笔墨描写Simon of Peraea，Athronges, Menahem
: ben Judah, Vespasian,而和作家时间更靠近的耶稣就没啥记录啊，有的那段还是公认
: 的伪造品
: Simon of Peraea
: "There was also Simon, who had been a slave of king Herod, but in other
: respects a comely person, of a tall and robust body; he was one that was
: much superior to others of his order, and had had great things committed to
: his care. This man was elevated at the disorderly state of things, and was
: so bold as to put a diadem on his head, while a certain number of the people
: stood by him, and by them he was declared to be a king, and he thought
| l*****a
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