G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 1 这个网站提供了1972 Gay Rights Platform的出处：
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007694/posts
Documents released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (under the Freedom
of Information Act), contain the “1972 Gay Rights Platform in the United
States.” This platform reveals some very disturbing facts about the
homosexual movement. On February 13, 1972, the National Coalition of Gay
Organizations met in Chicago, Illinois, to develop the official “gay rights
platform.”
To view the actual document, please visit the FBI’s public records by
clicking here. Then enter into Part 01, and scroll down to page 49.
上文的“here”并没有链接，但在下文中有人提供了链接：
http://www.americasdebate.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13523&
post #412：
carlitoswhey： The idea of removing age of consent laws has been around for
a while since the sexual revolution. I had heard this somewhere before, but
can only find this link to a Christian site due to limited Googling. If you
want the original FBI site, click here, then go to part one, then scroll to
page 51 of the PDF...
点击“here”- http://www.fbi.gov/foia/foiaindex/gayalli.htm 到FBI “This page does not seem to exist…”。基本上提到1972 Gay Rights Platform都会指向这个网站：
http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime
有人说这个1972 Gay Rights Platform是complete fiction：
http://www.convinceme.net/debates/4419/What-Is-The-True-Gay-Age
The "Gay Agenda" platform - complete fiction
*There is no document here, this is not evidence. There is an unverified and
unsourced citation which anyone could have made up. You post it here, but
you yourself or anyone else could have written it. I maintain that this
supposedly gay conference did not take place--until someone can produce a
pdf of the actual platform document or a verifiable source, there is no
proof.
Let's look at the Charlestown Gazette's reporting.
*such a newspaper does not exist today, and certainly did not exist in 1972.
The catalogue of the Library of Congress lists the Charlestown Gazette as a
South Carolina newspaper that ran from 1778-1780, that is, it ceased
circulation more than 200 years before this fictitious conference supposedly
took place. I also found a reference to the existence of the Charlestown
Gazette of West Virginia, which ceased publication in 1816.
In February 1972, the National Coalition of Gay Organizations met at the
Armitage Avenue United Methodist Church in Chicago.
* Now this is far more interesting, partly because I live in Chicago, and
partly because it sounds true and yet it isn't. The Armitage Avenue
Methodist Church was taken over by a leftist Puerto Rican liberation group (
Young Lords Party) in 1969 and they occupied it until 1972, when the leader
was arrested. This was their Chicago headquarters. The YLO was gay friendly
but that's where the connection ends. There is no record anywhere of the YLO
having hosted this gay conference, because said conference simply did not
happen. The standard source book on the YLO is The Young Lords: A Reader, by
Darrel Enck-Wanzer et al. There is nothing there about such a conference,
even the index does not have either "gay" or "homosexual" (look at it on
Amazon for yourself). A thesis written on the YLO and the Gay Liberation
Front does not mention this supposed conference ("Of consciousness and
criticism: Identity in the intersections of the Gay Liberation Front and the
Young Lords Party," by Kc, Diwas, M.A., SARAH LAWRENCE COLLEGE, 2005, 64
pages). More to the point, in 1972 the YLO put out an informative booklet
called "The Ideology of the Young Lords Party," which says nothing about
gays or this conference. You can see the original here http://fr.scribd.com/doc/35315604/Ideology-Of-The-Young-Lords-Party-1972 - you see, unlike you, I provide sourced pdf files that anyone can see.
More conclusively still, DePaul University holds the Young Lords Archive,
containing their documents, none of which correspond to this conference. You
can see the list of documents in the archive here: library.depaul.edu/Find/
Collections/spcaPDF/YoungLordsFA.pdf
I cite verified and reviewed sources to make my case. I don't care about
being right but unlike you I care about the truth. It would have been far
smarter of you to say "I don't like gays," and leave it at that. I would
have had more respect for that position.
求original FBI document
注：
1972 Gay Rights Platform
In February 1972, the National Coalition of Gay Organizations met at the
Armitage Avenue United Methodist Church in Chicago. An invitation had been
sent out to 495 homosexual organizations across the U.S. to come and prepare
a "gay stance for the 1972 elections."
About 200 individuals from 18 states representing 85 organizations showed up
for the two-day event. Conference participants adopted the 1972 Gay Rights
Platform, which included 17 federal and state "demands."
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发帖数: 1449 | | G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 3
一楼说是FBI有原件，反正你也没啥正经事可做，帮忙找找？
【在 N*******8 的大作中提到】
: 该信谁呢? 看来这只能永远是一个迷!
| N*******8
发帖数: 1449 | 4 这些不都是你找出来的吗. 这应该就算是你的"正经事"了. 继续吧.
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 一楼说是FBI有原件，反正你也没啥正经事可做，帮忙找找？
| G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 5 这个LA Times的报道小岛也贴过：
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-11-03/local/me-324_1_human-rig
--"The 1972 Gay Rights Platform contains among its demands the repeal of all
laws governing the age of sexual consent, arguing that children as young as
8 years of age have the right to decide whether they they can enter into
sexual relationships with adults," according to one pro-N piece.
A copy of the disputed platform--provided by the office of Rep. William E.
Dannemeyer (R-Fullerton)--calls for "the repeal of all laws governing the
age of sexual consent" but makes no mention of 8-year-olds being allowed to
have sex with adults.
Further, officials at several nationally based gay groups said they are
unfamiliar with the rights platform mentioned and that, despite the charges
of critics, no one in the established gay community has ever called for the
legalization of sex with children.
"To use something that some fringe political extremists in 1972 may have
thought was an agenda item and compare it to today is completely misleading,
" said Robert Bray of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force in Washington.
"That issue has never been discussed by anyone in the gay movement." | N*******8
发帖数: 1449 | 6 哈哈,继续. "反正你也没啥正经事可做".
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【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: 这个LA Times的报道小岛也贴过：
: http://articles.latimes.com/1989-11-03/local/me-324_1_human-rig
: --"The 1972 Gay Rights Platform contains among its demands the repeal of all
: laws governing the age of sexual consent, arguing that children as young as
: 8 years of age have the right to decide whether they they can enter into
: sexual relationships with adults," according to one pro-N piece.
: A copy of the disputed platform--provided by the office of Rep. William E.
: Dannemeyer (R-Fullerton)--calls for "the repeal of all laws governing the
: age of sexual consent" but makes no mention of 8-year-olds being allowed to
: have sex with adults.
| G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 7
基督徒传播谎言成性，不得不防
【在 N*******8 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,继续. "反正你也没啥正经事可做".
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| N*******8
发帖数: 1449 | 8 你转再多也白搭.你能把双方的看法都转过来吗? 就根据你转的这些东西就能证明谁撒
谎? 也只有你才会那么天真.
该信谁呢? 看来这只能永远是一个迷!
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 基督徒传播谎言成性，不得不防
| G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 9 据说是 FBI 放出的原件，如果存在的话，应该能找到
另外，那个会议地点 Armitage Avenue United Methodist Church in Chicago 被批驳
了。
【在 N*******8 的大作中提到】
: 你转再多也白搭.你能把双方的看法都转过来吗? 就根据你转的这些东西就能证明谁撒
: 谎? 也只有你才会那么天真.
: 该信谁呢? 看来这只能永远是一个迷!
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