l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 1 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/world/asia/toddlers-accident-
Pu Zhiqiang, a Beijing lawyer frequently involved in civil rights cases,
recited the tale of a neighbor who recently fell on a concrete floor and
whose pleas for help were ignored by bystanders.
“The law is supposed to be the bottom line of a society,” he said. “
Anything above that line is not about the law. Above the bottom line, China
does not have any guideline for social behavior. There is no religion or
faith. There are no role models.” |
R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 2 why blame the faith?
the law did not protect the warm-hearted bystanders. It is a law problem.
南京彭宇案法官王浩
天津 许云鹤案 法官
China
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/world/asia/toddlers-accident-
: Pu Zhiqiang, a Beijing lawyer frequently involved in civil rights cases,
: recited the tale of a neighbor who recently fell on a concrete floor and
: whose pleas for help were ignored by bystanders.
: “The law is supposed to be the bottom line of a society,” he said. “
: Anything above that line is not about the law. Above the bottom line, China
: does not have any guideline for social behavior. There is no religion or
: faith. There are no role models.”
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 3
Agree there are some legal loopholes (as pointed out in the article). But“
The law is supposed to be the bottom line of a society,” -- you can not
legalize morlaity.
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: why blame the faith?
: the law did not protect the warm-hearted bystanders. It is a law problem.
: 南京彭宇案法官王浩
: 天津 许云鹤案 法官
:
: China
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 4 the common sense is that one person should be morally acceptable if he obeys
all the law.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: Agree there are some legal loopholes (as pointed out in the article). But“
: The law is supposed to be the bottom line of a society,” -- you can not
: legalize morlaity.
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B********e
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 6 there aren't much difference between these indifferent pedestrians. In this US case, you can't blame it on "the law did not protect the warm-hearted bystanders".
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/passers_by_let_good_s
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/passers_by_let_good_s
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | |
l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 8
stop putting your words into others' mouth.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 那也不能說明那二十幾個裡有基督徒。 按照小仙鶴的說法，一個都沒有。
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 9
請參考這個說法
--this is really astonishing. If one of these bystanders are Christian and
saw the 2-yo right after the first accident, there probably won't be a 2nd
run-over.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: stop putting your words into others' mouth.
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 10 stop putting your words into others' mouth, she did not mean what you are
thinking......
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 請參考這個說法
: --this is really astonishing. If one of these bystanders are Christian and
: saw the 2-yo right after the first accident, there probably won't be a 2nd
: run-over.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 11
Where is my comments on the case in NYC?
But according to your own assessment, "People in NYC just don't care much
about Jesus. " that probably explains the incident in NYC.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 請參考這個說法
: --this is really astonishing. If one of these bystanders are Christian and
: saw the 2-yo right after the first accident, there probably won't be a 2nd
: run-over.
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 12 Why did you delete your previous post?
You replied:"
1. This is a different case.
2. I said "probably", you do not understand what probably means. I overestimated your math ..."
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: Where is my comments on the case in NYC?
: But according to your own assessment, "People in NYC just don't care much
: about Jesus. " that probably explains the incident in NYC.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 13
OK, just to make it clear, do you think there is any christian among
the pass-bys?
So, no christian among them, right?
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: Where is my comments on the case in NYC?
: But according to your own assessment, "People in NYC just don't care much
: about Jesus. " that probably explains the incident in NYC.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 14
她可以說清楚啊， 如果她說的意思我誤會了，我就道歉。
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: stop putting your words into others' mouth, she did not mean what you are
: thinking......
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 15 【 在 GetThere (魔垫试玩中) 的大作中提到: 】
I'm trying to focus on the facts and avoid making unnecessary comments on
any person. I guess I need to try harder next time.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 16
Based on your own statement, "People in NYC just don't care much about Jesus
. ", a reasonable guess is the probability of having a Christian pass-bys
on NYC streets are lower than places where people care a lot about Jesus.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 她可以說清楚啊， 如果她說的意思我誤會了，我就道歉。
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 17
Jesus
那我沒引申錯啊， 讓你清楚的說，你也會說那二十幾個路人應該是沒有
基督徒，不是嗎？
你不同意什麼？
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
:
: Based on your own statement, "People in NYC just don't care much about Jesus
: . ", a reasonable guess is the probability of having a Christian pass-bys
: on NYC streets are lower than places where people care a lot about Jesus.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 18
NO.
low proability != null probability
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: Jesus
: 那我沒引申錯啊， 讓你清楚的說，你也會說那二十幾個路人應該是沒有
: 基督徒，不是嗎？
: 你不同意什麼？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 19
ok, 改成
按照小仙鶴的說法，那些冷血的路人『非常可能』一個基督徒都沒有，
但是還是有可能有這麼冷血的基督徒，絕對不能說一定是一個基督徒都沒有。
就是要爭是機率很低還是不可能，是吧？
as you wish!
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: NO.
: low proability != null probability
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 20 US means there were many christians.
christianity cannot improve the morality
this US case, you can't blame it on "the law did not protect the warm-
hearted bystanders".
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: there aren't much difference between these indifferent pedestrians. In this US case, you can't blame it on "the law did not protect the warm-hearted bystanders".
:
: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/passers_by_let_good_s
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 21
you can change to whatever statement YOU want to make, but I didn't make
these statements.
NO. 要爭是 you can't put your words into others' mouth, and then keep
changing your statements.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: ok, 改成
: 按照小仙鶴的說法，那些冷血的路人『非常可能』一個基督徒都沒有，
: 但是還是有可能有這麼冷血的基督徒，絕對不能說一定是一個基督徒都沒有。
: 就是要爭是機率很低還是不可能，是吧？
: as you wish!
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 22
obeys all the law.
Is the "all the law" in your statement refers to the "laws" in the legal
system, or "laws" in the Bible?
If the former, then this "common sense" explains what happens.
If the latter, then no one is morally acceptable (to God).
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: the common sense is that one person should be morally acceptable if he obeys
: all the law.
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B********e
发帖数: 19317 | |
B********e
发帖数: 19317 | |
G******e
发帖数: 9567 | |
G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 26 又出丑了吧
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: obeys all the law.
: Is the "all the law" in your statement refers to the "laws" in the legal
: system, or "laws" in the Bible?
: If the former, then this "common sense" explains what happens.
: If the latter, then no one is morally acceptable (to God).
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B********e
发帖数: 19317 | 27
没开音箱？
第二秒就说了。。。
打回去重看一遍。。。
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: 又出丑了吧
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 28 我知道不算数的
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 没开音箱？
: 第二秒就说了。。。
: 打回去重看一遍。。。
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 29
你的意思是說即使沒有誤會你的意思，也不能引用你的話，是吧？
下次引耶穌的話時，記得這點。 Don't put words in Jesus' mouth.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: obeys all the law.
: Is the "all the law" in your statement refers to the "laws" in the legal
: system, or "laws" in the Bible?
: If the former, then this "common sense" explains what happens.
: If the latter, then no one is morally acceptable (to God).
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h***s
发帖数: 1716 | 30 This kind of political oriented "news" is really sick, especially during
these sad days for that little one and her desperate family.
Although not every Christian would be as sick as the ppl like you, so much
interested in politics rather than simple human being's sympathy. I'm not
sure if there is God, Heaven or Hell, but I'm sure God would send the ppl
like you to Hell in case there should be a God.
China
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/world/asia/toddlers-accident-
: Pu Zhiqiang, a Beijing lawyer frequently involved in civil rights cases,
: recited the tale of a neighbor who recently fell on a concrete floor and
: whose pleas for help were ignored by bystanders.
: “The law is supposed to be the bottom line of a society,” he said. “
: Anything above that line is not about the law. Above the bottom line, China
: does not have any guideline for social behavior. There is no religion or
: faith. There are no role models.”
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 31 This has nothing to do with politics( US or China), but has a lot to do with
human sinful nature, and (the lack of) faith & belief.
【在 h***s 的大作中提到】
: This kind of political oriented "news" is really sick, especially during
: these sad days for that little one and her desperate family.
: Although not every Christian would be as sick as the ppl like you, so much
: interested in politics rather than simple human being's sympathy. I'm not
: sure if there is God, Heaven or Hell, but I'm sure God would send the ppl
: like you to Hell in case there should be a God.
:
: China
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 32
well said, thx for sharing.
【在 h***s 的大作中提到】
: This kind of political oriented "news" is really sick, especially during
: these sad days for that little one and her desperate family.
: Although not every Christian would be as sick as the ppl like you, so much
: interested in politics rather than simple human being's sympathy. I'm not
: sure if there is God, Heaven or Hell, but I'm sure God would send the ppl
: like you to Hell in case there should be a God.
:
: China
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