R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 1 Problem (1) Jesus Cleanses the Temple
2: 19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will ra
ise it up."
Starting from this verse, Jesus's teaching was sometimes figurative. When w
e look at a verse, the problem is always whether to interpret it literally o
r figuratively. Jesus liked to tell parables. Jesus (and also the John the
baptist) never wanted to clarify his true identity. Otherwise, trinity sho
uld not be a debatable issue in history (and so many people were killed for
this doctrine). But some of Jesus's teaching is very clear. "love your nei
ghbor", "love god", "I am the truth"…. |
j*****6
发帖数: 1059 | 2 基要信仰圣经还是启示的很清楚的，但是末世如启示录千禧年什么的的确不清楚但是不
影响救恩
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【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Problem (1) Jesus Cleanses the Temple
: 2: 19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will ra
: ise it up."
: Starting from this verse, Jesus's teaching was sometimes figurative. When w
: e look at a verse, the problem is always whether to interpret it literally o
: r figuratively. Jesus liked to tell parables. Jesus (and also the John the
: baptist) never wanted to clarify his true identity. Otherwise, trinity sho
: uld not be a debatable issue in history (and so many people were killed for
: this doctrine). But some of Jesus's teaching is very clear. "love your nei
: ghbor", "love god", "I am the truth"….
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 3 trinity is not important
Jesus did not make it clear. We should not add things on his clear teaching
.
Then Mellennial Kingdom was clearly written in Rev. 20. From Augustine to J
ohn Calvin, doctrines were made to deny the literal interpretation of satan
binding and 1000 years kingdom.
【在 j*****6 的大作中提到】
: 基要信仰圣经还是启示的很清楚的，但是末世如启示录千禧年什么的的确不清楚但是不
: 影响救恩
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 4 Problem (2) Jesus Knows What Is in Man
2:24 But Jesus on his part did not entrust himself to them, because he knew
all people
I don't understand this verse. Many people saw Jesus's miracles and began t
o believe in his name (I am thinking about Master Li. Hehe). But Jesus did
not have faith in them, or Jesus hided some knowledge from them. Why? The
whole gospels said whoever believe in his name will be saved. Does John 2:2
4 contradict the basic doctrine? |
j*****6
发帖数: 1059 | 5 那些人信的是可以“吃饼得饱”，并不是真的信耶稣是“生命的粮”
对于福音，人们的反应各异：
路 8:4 当许多人聚集，又有人从各城里出来见耶稣的时候，耶稣就用比喻说： 路 8:
5 “有一个撒种的出去撒种；撒的时候，有落在路旁的，被人践踏，天上的飞鸟又来吃
尽了。 路 8:6 有落在磐石上的，一出来就枯干了，因为得不着滋润。 路 8:7 有落在
荆棘里的，荆棘一同生长，把它挤住了。 路 8:8 又有落在好土里的，生长起来，结实
百倍。”耶稣说了这些话，就大声说：“有耳可听的，就应当听。”
因为耶稣作为神预先知道哪些人是得救那些人不是的：
约 10:14 我是好牧人；我认识我的羊，我的羊也认识我， 约 10:26 只是你们不信，
因为你们不是我的羊。 约 10:27 我的羊听我的声音，我也认识他们，他们也跟着我。
并不是所有的人都会得救。
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【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Problem (2) Jesus Knows What Is in Man
: 2:24 But Jesus on his part did not entrust himself to them, because he knew
: all people
: I don't understand this verse. Many people saw Jesus's miracles and began t
: o believe in his name (I am thinking about Master Li. Hehe). But Jesus did
: not have faith in them, or Jesus hided some knowledge from them. Why? The
: whole gospels said whoever believe in his name will be saved. Does John 2:2
: 4 contradict the basic doctrine?
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 6 how about you
8:
【在 j*****6 的大作中提到】
: 那些人信的是可以“吃饼得饱”，并不是真的信耶稣是“生命的粮”
: 对于福音，人们的反应各异：
: 路 8:4 当许多人聚集，又有人从各城里出来见耶稣的时候，耶稣就用比喻说： 路 8:
: 5 “有一个撒种的出去撒种；撒的时候，有落在路旁的，被人践踏，天上的飞鸟又来吃
: 尽了。 路 8:6 有落在磐石上的，一出来就枯干了，因为得不着滋润。 路 8:7 有落在
: 荆棘里的，荆棘一同生长，把它挤住了。 路 8:8 又有落在好土里的，生长起来，结实
: 百倍。”耶稣说了这些话，就大声说：“有耳可听的，就应当听。”
: 因为耶稣作为神预先知道哪些人是得救那些人不是的：
: 约 10:14 我是好牧人；我认识我的羊，我的羊也认识我， 约 10:26 只是你们不信，
: 因为你们不是我的羊。 约 10:27 我的羊听我的声音，我也认识他们，他们也跟着我。
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j*****6
发帖数: 1059 | 7 我觉得那个《窄路》写的很好。
我是深知自己是罪大恶极的人，觉得只有神的怜悯才能帮助我
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: how about you
:
: 8:
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 8 how bad are you?
do I need to call 911?
hehe
【在 j*****6 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得那个《窄路》写的很好。
: 我是深知自己是罪大恶极的人，觉得只有神的怜悯才能帮助我
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j*****6
发帖数: 1059 | 9 very bad.
保罗说的非常贴切：我就是个罪魁。不过不需要911.
提前 1:15 基督耶穌降世，為要拯救罪人。這話是可信的，是十分可佩服的。在罪人
中我是個罪魁。 提前 1:16 然而，我蒙了憐憫，是因耶穌基督要在我這罪魁身上顯明
他一切的忍耐，給後來信他得永生的人作榜樣。
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: how bad are you?
: do I need to call 911?
: hehe
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 10 so literally you are not bad enough. We don't need to put you in jail.
But spiritually you are so disfigured and we cannot see the image of god in
you
right?
hahaha
【在 j*****6 的大作中提到】
: very bad.
: 保罗说的非常贴切：我就是个罪魁。不过不需要911.
: 提前 1:15 基督耶穌降世，為要拯救罪人。這話是可信的，是十分可佩服的。在罪人
: 中我是個罪魁。 提前 1:16 然而，我蒙了憐憫，是因耶穌基督要在我這罪魁身上顯明
: 他一切的忍耐，給後來信他得永生的人作榜樣。
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j*****6
发帖数: 1059 | 11 随着成圣的过程，会越来越有的
in
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: so literally you are not bad enough. We don't need to put you in jail.
: But spiritually you are so disfigured and we cannot see the image of god in
: you
: right?
: hahaha
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 12 the article written by a deceased christian posted by you today
was he holly enough before he left the world?
His article seems so so. He even called caltholic heresy.
Caltholic creeds are your favorite. haaha
【在 j*****6 的大作中提到】
: 随着成圣的过程，会越来越有的
:
: in
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j*****6
发帖数: 1059 | 13 你说谢老遗著？
他应该是阿民念的，阿民念和加尔文主义是对立的。
关于天主教是不是异端，我不想说，但是错误肯定是有的。
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: the article written by a deceased christian posted by you today
: was he holly enough before he left the world?
: His article seems so so. He even called caltholic heresy.
: Caltholic creeds are your favorite. haaha
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 14 not holly at all
hehe
【在 j*****6 的大作中提到】
: 你说谢老遗著？
: 他应该是阿民念的，阿民念和加尔文主义是对立的。
: 关于天主教是不是异端，我不想说，但是错误肯定是有的。
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