E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 1 起因在這裡
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/515211.html
原來她的問題是
first, can you define "random" as implied in Darwin's theory?
random 是數學名詞, 進化論裡提到random 都是在說
random mutation, 所以我猜她要問的是 random mutation 是什麼意思,
所以回答了
“就是每一代多少跟前一代有點不同, 這也有問題嗎?”
她抓住這個說我連random 跟 mutation 有什麼差別都不知道,
以為抓住我的破綻了,一說再說。
我說 littletshirt啊! 你是真的以為我會搞不清楚一個數學名詞跟一個生物名詞
的差別? 你要是不真的這樣認為,你很惡劣,你要是真的這樣認為,你的
智商有沒有下限?
有些辯論對手我還是尊敬的,上次跟魁爺打擂台時,我就對他的努力很敬佩,
你這種胡纏亂打是自己出洋相,沒意義的。 |
l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | |
B********e 发帖数: 19317 | 3 我觉得他/她跟老E你没有本质的区别。
大致如此。 |
l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 4 as I said before, personal insult doesn't hide your misunderstanding of key
conepts in "evolution theory". Either you haven't read the books you listed
(unlikely), or you didn't understand what you read (most likely explanation)
.
If the latter, just admit you own misunderstanding.. After all, we are all
human and prone to err, especially when biology is not your major of study.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】 : 起因在這裡 : http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/515211.html : 原來她的問題是 : first, can you define "random" as implied in Darwin's theory? : random 是數學名詞, 進化論裡提到random 都是在說 : random mutation, 所以我猜她要問的是 random mutation 是什麼意思, : 所以回答了 : “就是每一代多少跟前一代有點不同, 這也有問題嗎?” : 她抓住這個說我連random 跟 mutation 有什麼差別都不知道, : 以為抓住我的破綻了,一說再說。
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 5 So you really believe I can mix up a math term and a biology term?
Really? Really? Just tell me you're not so low, please!
I don't understand a lot things about evolution. Not this one.
key
listed
explanation)
.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】 : as I said before, personal insult doesn't hide your misunderstanding of key : conepts in "evolution theory". Either you haven't read the books you listed : (unlikely), or you didn't understand what you read (most likely explanation) : . : If the latter, just admit you own misunderstanding.. After all, we are all : human and prone to err, especially when biology is not your major of study.
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l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 6
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】 : So you really believe I can mix up a math term and a biology term? : Really? Really? Just tell me you're not so low, please! : I don't understand a lot things about evolution. Not this one. : : key : listed : explanation) : .
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 7 真的無言了。 你真的看不出我是在回答什麼是 random mutation?
我猜你不是不知道,就是抓點語病就沒完沒了。
你這樣搞只會搞壞基督徒的形象,連累其他不這樣惡搞的基督徒,
有意思嗎?
except
did is pointing out your misunderstanding.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 8
都是 random mutation 的產物?
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】 : 我觉得他/她跟老E你没有本质的区别。 : 大致如此。
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l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 9
no, beucase I assumED you studied evolution theory, but you only gave the
def of "variation", and cause of varition can be random (hallmark of Darwin'
s theory), or targeted (non-random) as in other Evolution Theories & modern
day genetic engeering (not to mention intel-design).
Thanks for concerning about 基督徒的形象. What's your intention with these
posts (like "給神創論者掃盲") again? Plus, your misundersanding of the
subject is further exposed in that thread. You can't use 語病 as an excuse.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】 : 真的無言了。 你真的看不出我是在回答什麼是 random mutation? : 我猜你不是不知道,就是抓點語病就沒完沒了。 : 你這樣搞只會搞壞基督徒的形象,連累其他不這樣惡搞的基督徒, : 有意思嗎? : : except : did is pointing out your misunderstanding.
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 10
Darwin'
modern
一個問題就可以讓你閉嘴, 請問這個 random assumption
是哪本書講的? 是不是回答不了了?
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用意就是給神創論掃盲,別樹稻草人自己打個不停。
我那個甚至不是語病,就是揣摩你要問什麼而已。
你來定義進化論的 random 要不? 我猜也是只能講別的了。
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】 : : no, beucase I assumED you studied evolution theory, but you only gave the : def of "variation", and cause of varition can be random (hallmark of Darwin' : s theory), or targeted (non-random) as in other Evolution Theories & modern : day genetic engeering (not to mention intel-design). : Thanks for concerning about 基督徒的形象. What's your intention with these : posts (like "給神創論者掃盲") again? Plus, your misundersanding of the : subject is further exposed in that thread. You can't use 語病 as an excuse.
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l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 11
so you diagree with the assumption that mutation is random, in Darwin's
theory?
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】 : : Darwin' : modern : 一個問題就可以讓你閉嘴, 請問這個 random assumption : 是哪本書講的? 是不是回答不了了? : . : 用意就是給神創論掃盲,別樹稻草人自己打個不停。 : 我那個甚至不是語病,就是揣摩你要問什麼而已。 : 你來定義進化論的 random 要不? 我猜也是只能講別的了。
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G*M 发帖数: 6042 | 12 LOL
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】 : : so you diagree with the assumption that mutation is random, in Darwin's : theory?
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 13
No, I agree mutation is random. But as I said 3 times, it doesn't
matter to evolution theory. As long as mutation happens, natural
selection do the rest. I still don't know where you're getting at.
If you like, just assume whatever you like, and see what the
conclusion you can get.
Which evolution books say if mutation is not random then evolution
theory is false? I guess you'll avoid this question for the 15 times.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】 : : so you diagree with the assumption that mutation is random, in Darwin's : theory?
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l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 14
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】 : : No, I agree mutation is random. But as I said 3 times, it doesn't : matter to evolution theory. As long as mutation happens, natural : selection do the rest. I still don't know where you're getting at. : If you like, just assume whatever you like, and see what the : conclusion you can get. : Which evolution books say if mutation is not random then evolution : theory is false? I guess you'll avoid this question for the 15 times.
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 15
or
that you somehow refuse to answer). Is it Yes, random, or NO, deterministic?
Given an environment, the outcome is NOT random.
So I guess you mean whether environment change is random or not,
which I've already answered (quantum physics, etc).
theory
title of this thread to Eloihim (真神) 的惡意謊言.
What are we discussing here? If you're not here to challenge
the validity of evolution, what are we talking about?
Why you question randomness if this has nothing to do with
whether evolution theory is true or not?
If you agree evolution is true, then I own you a big apology.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
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l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 16
theory
Again, if is NOT from me, change the title of this thread to Eloihim (真神)
的惡意謊言. Don't evade this question again.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】 : : or : that you somehow refuse to answer). Is it Yes, random, or NO, deterministic? : Given an environment, the outcome is NOT random. : So I guess you mean whether environment change is random or not, : which I've already answered (quantum physics, etc). : theory : title of this thread to Eloihim (真神) 的惡意謊言. : What are we discussing here? If you're not here to challenge : the validity of evolution, what are we talking about?
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 17
神)
起因在這裡
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/515211.html
原來她的問題是
first, can you define "random" as implied in Darwin's theory?
random 是數學名詞, 進化論裡提到random 都是在說
random mutation, 所以我猜她要問的是 random mutation 是什麼意思,
所以回答了
“就是每一代多少跟前一代有點不同, 這也有問題嗎?”
她抓住這個說我連random 跟 mutation 有什麼差別都不知道,
以為抓住我的破綻了,一說再說。
我說 littletshirt啊! 你是真的以為我會搞不清楚一個數學名詞跟一個生物名詞
的差別? 你要是不真的這樣認為,你很惡劣,你要是真的這樣認為,你的
智商有沒有下限?
有些辯論對手我還是尊敬的,上次跟魁爺打擂台時,我就對他的努力很敬佩,
你這種胡纏亂打是自己出洋相,沒意義的。
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】 : : theory : Again, if is NOT from me, change the title of this thread to Eloihim (真神) : 的惡意謊言. Don't evade this question again.
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l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 18
where is the assertion ("if mutation is not random then evolution theory
is false") coming from? reference please. if is NOT from me, change the
title of this thread to Eloihim (真神) 的惡意謊言.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】 : 起因在這裡 : http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/515211.html : 原來她的問題是 : first, can you define "random" as implied in Darwin's theory? : random 是數學名詞, 進化論裡提到random 都是在說 : random mutation, 所以我猜她要問的是 random mutation 是什麼意思, : 所以回答了 : “就是每一代多少跟前一代有點不同, 這也有問題嗎?” : 她抓住這個說我連random 跟 mutation 有什麼差別都不知道, : 以為抓住我的破綻了,一說再說。
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 19
請回答15樓問題, 如果你不是在否證進化論, 那麼我會向你道歉,
但是也會奇怪你到底在說什麼.
你的惡意謊言是另一回事。
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】 : : where is the assertion ("if mutation is not random then evolution theory : is false") coming from? reference please. if is NOT from me, change the : title of this thread to Eloihim (真神) 的惡意謊言.
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l**********t 发帖数: 5754 | 20 what's your excuse for making a series of mis-statements?
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SUMMRY -- The "evolution" path of Eloihim (真神)' understanding of "
evolution theory".
Stage 1: can't tell "random" the cause from "variation" the outcome |