c**n
发帖数: 566 | | m****r
发帖数: 1904 | 2 EVIL
from http://www.jw.org
That which results in pain, sorrow, or distress. In order to convey the
correct thought in English, the very comprehensive Hebrew word raʽ is
variously translated as “bad,” “gloomy,” “ugly,” “evil,” “
calamitous,” “malignant,” “ungenerous,” and “envious,” depending upon
the context. (Ge 2:9; 40:7; 41:3; Ex 33:4; De 6:22; 28:35; Pr 23:6; 28:22)
The Greek word ka·kos′ may be defined as that which is (1) morally evil
and (2) destructive; among the ways it has been translated are: “bad,” “
evil,” “hurtful,” “injurious,” “wrong.” (Ro 7:19; 12:17; Col 3:5; Tit
1:12; Heb 5:14) The Hebrew verb qa·lal′ means “call down evil upon.”—
See MALEDICTION.
As first used in the Scriptures, the word raʽ is the very antithesis of
good. Adam was commanded not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good
and bad (raʽ) and was also warned of the consequences for disobedience.
Hence, it is evident that God sets the standard as to what is good and what
is bad; it is not within man’s prerogative to do so apart from God.
Although Adam transgressed God’s express law, this transgression is not
chargeable to Jehovah, “for with evil things [form of ka·kos′] God cannot
be tried nor does he himself try anyone. But each one is tried by being
drawn out and enticed by his own desire.”—Jas 1:13, 14; Ge 2:16, 17; 3:17-
19.
The Meaning of Jehovah’s Bringing Evil.
Rightly, Jehovah brought evil or calamity upon Adam for his disobedience.
Hence, in the Scriptures, Jehovah is referred to as the Creator of evil or
calamity. (Isa 45:7; compare KJ.) His enforcing of the penalty for sin,
namely, death, has proved to be an evil, or a calamity, for mankind. So,
then, evil is not always synonymous with wrongdoing. Examples of evils or
calamities created by Jehovah are the Flood of Noah’s day and the Ten
Plagues visited upon Egypt. But these evils were not wrongs. Rather, the
rightful administration of justice against wrongdoers was involved in both
cases. However, at times Jehovah, in his mercy, has refrained from bringing
the intended calamity or evil in execution of his righteous judgment because
of the repentance on the part of those concerned. (Jon 3:10) Additionally,
in having a warning given, Jehovah has undeservedly provided opportunities
for the practicers of bad to change their course and thus to keep living.—
Eze 33:11.
Avoidance of Evil.
Since Jehovah determines the standard of right and wrong, it behooves the
individual to acquaint himself with that standard fully in order to be able
to discern what course must be followed. (Heb 5:14) The love of money is one
of those evil, or injurious, things to be avoided. (1Ti 6:10) It is unwise
to be anxious about material things, for, as Jesus said, “sufficient for
each day is its own badness [ka·ki′a],” that is, the trouble, or
affliction, associated with the day. (Mt 6:34) In putting on the new
personality, “hurtful desire” is included among the things to be
eliminated. (Col 3:5) As the Devil tempted Jesus with evil, so Christians
find that evil thoughts crop up or are presented to them. But to avoid being
drawn into sin when this happens, the Christian should follow Jesus’
example and dismiss such evil immediately. (Jas 1:13-15; Mt 4:1-11; Php 4:8)
Although, because of human imperfection, a Christian finds himself in
constant conflict with the fallen flesh, as did Paul, and may do the bad
that he does not wish to practice, he must not give in to the flesh but must
keep up the fight against it. (Ro 7:21; 8:8) The danger of failing to live
up to God’s righteous requirements is clearly seen in what Jesus stated
concerning the faithful slave. The severest punishment was to be meted out
to that slave if he failed to care for the responsibilities entrusted to him
and even went to the point of beating his fellow slaves.—Mt 24:48-51.
Christian Suffering of Evil.
The Scriptures do not authorize the Christian to bring evil upon others, or
to retaliate in kind. The Bible’s counsel is: “Return evil for evil to no
one.” “Do not avenge yourselves . . . ‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,
says Jehovah.’” “Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep
conquering the evil with the good.” (Ro 12:17, 19, 21) Moreover, in giving
relative subjection to the governments ruling over them, servants of God
should never be found to be practicers of what is bad, for such governments,
through their rulers who have a measure of God-given conscience to a lesser
or greater degree, act against badness according to the law of the land and
rightfully exercise their authority to punish wrongdoers. (Ro 13:3, 4) For
any misuse of their authority they will be accountable to the Supreme Judge.
By suffering evil for righteousness’ sake, the Christian shares in the
privilege of having a part in the glorifying of God’s holy name.—1Pe 4:16. | c**n
发帖数: 566 | 3 so this is what Jehovah Witness christian views. thanks for quoting although
i don't get it at all.
how about others? | J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 4 ‘evil’说就是恶。恶人，邪恶，表面的东西还是不难看出来的。但是神可以看外表也
可以看内心，所以恶在神那里就看的更清楚。很多邪恶是在我们的心理而不是在外表。
Genesis 6:5
5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
【在 c**n 的大作中提到】
: what does 'evil' mean?
| c**n
发帖数: 566 | 5
please dont take me as a tricker... i'm serious. i do.
so what is "恶" then?
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: ‘evil’说就是恶。恶人，邪恶，表面的东西还是不难看出来的。但是神可以看外表也
: 可以看内心，所以恶在神那里就看的更清楚。很多邪恶是在我们的心理而不是在外表。
: Genesis 6:5
: 5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
: every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
| j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absence_of_good
Absence of good
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The privation of good (Latin: privatio boni) is a theological doctrine that
evil, unlike good, is insubstantial, so that thinking of it as an entity is
misleading. Instead, evil is rather the absence or lack ("privation") of
good.[1][2][3] It is typically attributed to St. Augustine of Hippo, who
wrote:
And in the universe, even that which is called evil, when it is regulated
and put in its own place, only enhances our admiration of the good; for we
enjoy and value the good more when we compare it with the evil. For the
Almighty God, who, as even the heathen acknowledge, has supreme power over
all things, being Himself supremely good, would never permit the existence
of anything evil among His works, if He were not so omnipotent and good that
He can bring good even out of evil. For what is that which we call evil but
the absence of good? In the bodies of animals, disease and wounds mean
nothing but the absence of health; for when a cure is effected, that does
not mean that the evils which were present—namely, the diseases and wounds
—go away from the body and dwell elsewhere: they altogether cease to exist;
for the wound or disease is not a substance, but a defect in the fleshly
substance,—the flesh itself being a substance, and therefore something good
, of which those evils—that is, privations of the good which we call health
—are accidents. Just in the same way, what are called vices in the soul are
nothing but privations of natural good. And when they are cured, they are
not transferred elsewhere: when they cease to exist in the healthy soul,
they cannot exist anywhere else.[4]
Our perceptions are based on contrast, so that light and dark, good and evil
, are imperceptible without each other; in this context, these sets of
opposites show a certain symmetry. But a basic study of optics teaches us
that light has a physical presence of its own, whereas darkness does not: no
"anti-lamp" or "flashdark" can be constructed which casts a beam of
darkness onto a surface that is otherwise well-lit. Instead, darkness only
appears when sources of light are extinguished or obscured, and only
persists when an object absorbs a disproportionate amount of the light that
strikes it.
The relationship between light and darkness is often used to frame a
metaphorical understanding of good and evil. This metaphor can be used to
answer[citation needed] the problem of evil: If evil, like darkness, does
not truly exist, but is only a name we give to our perception of privatio
boni, then our widespread observation of evil does not preclude the
possibility of a benevolent, omniscient, and omnipresent God.
If the metaphor can be extended, and good and evil share the same asymmetry
as light and darkness, then evil can have no source, cannot be projected,
and, of itself, can offer no resistance to any source of good, no matter how
weak or distant. In this case, goodness cannot be actively opposed, and
power becomes a consequence of benevolence. However, in this case evil is
the default state of the universe, and good exists only through constant
effort; any lapse or redirection of good will apparently create evil out of
nothing.
【在 c**n 的大作中提到】
: what does 'evil' mean?
| c**n
发帖数: 566 | 7 define "evil" as "no good" is a trick answer, since it introduced a new
concept "good" which is at same level of complexity.
it just change the question to: what is "no good"? | j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 8 So you admit that those who do not believe in God do not know what is good.
For those who believe in God, the answer is simple: God is good.
I must say God has unlimited level of complexity and simplicity as well. Don
't believe that man can understand God fully using their small brain. Then,
we have to rely on God to reveal Himself to us. So, you need to know Jesus
Christ and read the Bible.
【在 c**n 的大作中提到】
: define "evil" as "no good" is a trick answer, since it introduced a new
: concept "good" which is at same level of complexity.
: it just change the question to: what is "no good"?
| c**n
发帖数: 566 | 9
why?
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: So you admit that those who do not believe in God do not know what is good.
: For those who believe in God, the answer is simple: God is good.
: I must say God has unlimited level of complexity and simplicity as well. Don
: 't believe that man can understand God fully using their small brain. Then,
: we have to rely on God to reveal Himself to us. So, you need to know Jesus
: Christ and read the Bible.
| j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 10 Because they believe in God. Otherwise they won't believe.
【在 c**n 的大作中提到】
:
: why?
| | | c**n
发帖数: 566 | 11 does anybody here outside of christian group have some ideas of "evil"? | J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 12 恶就是不道德的事。我认为道德是一个群体人们的共同承认的行为准则。所以从某种程
度上说恶就是不守规矩或是法律。
但这都是表面的。人们心里所想，别人是无法看到的。但是我们自己会知道自己有邪恶
的想法。另外就是神也会知道我们的想法。
基督徒相信神创造了世界。神，作为世界的创造者，自然是最了解这个世界（包括人）
的了。所以如果有一个完美的行为准则，那么必然是来自于神。如果有一个完美的世界
，那么一切都该按神的旨意运行。
神为人规定了真正的道德准则。耶稣说爱神爱人如己。如果我们没有做到这个，我们多
少就已经是恶了。
【在 c**n 的大作中提到】
: does anybody here outside of christian group have some ideas of "evil"?
| c**n
发帖数: 566 | 13
well said answer. thanks.
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: 恶就是不道德的事。我认为道德是一个群体人们的共同承认的行为准则。所以从某种程
: 度上说恶就是不守规矩或是法律。
: 但这都是表面的。人们心里所想，别人是无法看到的。但是我们自己会知道自己有邪恶
: 的想法。另外就是神也会知道我们的想法。
: 基督徒相信神创造了世界。神，作为世界的创造者，自然是最了解这个世界（包括人）
: 的了。所以如果有一个完美的行为准则，那么必然是来自于神。如果有一个完美的世界
: ，那么一切都该按神的旨意运行。
: 神为人规定了真正的道德准则。耶稣说爱神爱人如己。如果我们没有做到这个，我们多
: 少就已经是恶了。
| c**n
发帖数: 566 | 14 still, need opinion here from outside christian groups... | z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 15
没兴趣参与这种形而上的讨论。具体情况具体分析就可以了。
还是那句话，人间的是非善恶，有灰色地带，没有一个适用于所有情况的标准。
有灰色地带，自然也有黑白分明的情况。比如基督徒们的主子耶和华/耶稣 屠杀婴儿
甚至 主动地有意地 使 人们吃自己儿女的肉，这就显然是邪恶的。
【在 c**n 的大作中提到】
: still, need opinion here from outside christian groups...
| J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 16 至于Jere 19:9那段提到吃子女的经文，你理解的就更离谱了。
看看这两本study bible就理解了。这里说的是上帝的预言，而且是敌人围困造成的。
上帝坐视不管而已。因为以色列人崇拜偶像神。上帝惩罚以色列人的罪。
ESV study bible
Jer. 19:9 eat the flesh. Because of the lack of food caused by the siege,
the people of Judah will turn to cannibalism
NET bible
Jer
19:9 I will reduce the people of this city to desperate straits during the
siege imposed on it by their enemies who are seeking to kill them. I will
make them so desperate that they will eat the flesh of their own sons and
daughters and the flesh of one another.
这事版上的基督徒已经给你解释的太多了：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/TrustInJesus/1010969_0.html
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/TrustInJesus/870229_3.html
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/TrustInJesus/995195_3.html
你充耳不闻那也没办法。
你非要按自己的想法理解圣经，很多时候都是错误的理解。还总强调什么圣经是白纸黑
字。量子力学，相对论，道德经易经，也都是你所谓的白纸黑字，清清楚楚，中英文对
照，也不是谁都能看懂啊。更不用说圣经最初是几千年前的外文写成，不根据上下文，
不考虑社会，文化，历史，宗教背景，都会产生误解，跟你说了圣经是很难读的。最好
看study bible。这是对圣经比较
权威的解读。你所谓的自己的解读，不轻信别人，其实是自欺欺人的胡乱解读。
网上有一个免费的study bible版本NET bible。上面有中文和英文，希伯来希腊文都有。
https://net.bible.org/#!bible/Matthew+1
你连study bible的解释也不听，说那些也是强奸人类语言，其实是你自己在强奸圣经
。你现在头脑里的“圣经”，是被你完全歪曲理解的“圣经”，你所反的“神”，也是
你头脑里臆想的“神”，你反的“基督教”，也只存在于你的头脑里。
你不是喊口号就是反自己曲解的圣经。你的论证是自己下定义自己论证，跟现实中基督
教无关。唯一的结果就是借你自己的定义污蔑了现实的基督教。你这么造谣污蔑基督教
多年，不知道有多少人上了你的当。
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: 没兴趣参与这种形而上的讨论。具体情况具体分析就可以了。
: 还是那句话，人间的是非善恶，有灰色地带，没有一个适用于所有情况的标准。
: 有灰色地带，自然也有黑白分明的情况。比如基督徒们的主子耶和华/耶稣 屠杀婴儿
: 甚至 主动地有意地 使 人们吃自己儿女的肉，这就显然是邪恶的。
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 17
1）根据“圣经”，白纸黑字面上下文清清楚楚：不是你家主子“坐视不管”，而是你
家主子 主动地 有意地 使 人们吃自己儿女的肉！
2）你家主子用“使 人们吃自己儿女的肉”这样邪恶的方式来“惩罚以色列人的罪”，
足以说明你家主子耶和华/耶稣是何等的邪恶！
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: 至于Jere 19:9那段提到吃子女的经文，你理解的就更离谱了。
: 看看这两本study bible就理解了。这里说的是上帝的预言，而且是敌人围困造成的。
: 上帝坐视不管而已。因为以色列人崇拜偶像神。上帝惩罚以色列人的罪。
: ESV study bible
: Jer. 19:9 eat the flesh. Because of the lack of food caused by the siege,
: the people of Judah will turn to cannibalism
: NET bible
: Jer
: 19:9 I will reduce the people of this city to desperate straits during the
: siege imposed on it by their enemies who are seeking to kill them. I will
| c**n
发帖数: 566 | 18 christians show 100% positive 情绪感觉 to god.
ZWD then shows 100% negative 情绪感觉 to god.
anytime, anywhere, when major number of people inclined to one side of these
feelings, that "judgement" becomes mainframe value.
and that's it. that's 善恶 all about. | m****r
发帖数: 1904 | 19 Actually the mainframe value is from Satan because according to the Bible,
the world now is under his control.
God's view is not welcomed by most of people, and maybe out of date,but it's
the truth, and it is the only way to lead you to happiness.
At least hope you can know God's view. Also it's good to be different
because God's people in all the time are different from secular people.
Sometimes it's very difficult to be different, but it worth to be different
under God's name.
these
【在 c**n 的大作中提到】
: christians show 100% positive 情绪感觉 to god.
: ZWD then shows 100% negative 情绪感觉 to god.
: anytime, anywhere, when major number of people inclined to one side of these
: feelings, that "judgement" becomes mainframe value.
: and that's it. that's 善恶 all about.
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