p******a
发帖数: 975 | 1 这个月一路被各种bad beat，小的不说，turn上set shove against flush draw连输了
六七次。一路ev比profit高了两千多刀。终于，今天本月第一次小bad beat了对手。
Villain 3X open UTG, only hero call at BU with QhJh.Effective stack $250.
Flop comes 6h8s9h, villain bet $10 in to $14 pot. Hero raises to $30.
villain call.
turn comes 2d.Check. Hero bet $33 into $75 pot, villain tank and raise to $
80. At this point, I am pretty sure I am way behind. I think he at least
have two pair. Set or straight is also possible.
But since my set was beaten by flush draw on the turn almost every time this
month, why can't I suck someone else out once? So I shove. Villain instant
call with 5h7h.
And I hit a Ts OTR. Villain went crazy and shoved his remaining $50 next
hand preflop with A7o, I snap called with JJ and held. | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | | x*******0
发帖数: 94 | 3 恭喜，
打的没问题啊，都是去的nuts，这么多outs。
flop straight 被人干翻我早就习惯了。我遇到的鱼你多少钱push他都不可能fold
flush draw的 。
感觉你发火了，就是觉得一定要拿下。
希望你凡是draw都能hit，凡是nuts都能hold住。 | p******a
发帖数: 975 | 4 是啊，从牌理上讲，我的turn shove显然是不对的，但是实在是打郁闷了 | x*******0
发帖数: 94 | 5 CHECK TURN WILL BE BETTER CHOICE?
HE WILL BET 50 MOSTLY ON THE TURN I THINK. CALL IT SEE THE RIVER.
RIVER HIT! BONG!
QUESTION, WHAT HE HAD? LOWER STRAIGHT? OR TWO PAIR? OR SET? DONT KNOW IT.
HOW MUCH BET ? U DO NOT HAVE POSTION, U SHOVE, HE CANNOT CALL U.
TAUGH TO GET MAX VALUE. | p******a
发帖数: 975 | 6 我觉得我的turn bet没有问题，如果他shove，我就fold。如果他min-raise，就call然
后看river。真实情况中直接3b shove是因为上头了
从对方角度看，他flop中了顺子，同时还block了两张同花。所以其实怎么打问题都不
大。但是如果我是他，flop估计会3b，然后争取turn上把钱打进去。否则真的同花出来
，他很可能不能从two pair或者set之类牌上取得全部的value
【在 x*******0 的大作中提到】
: CHECK TURN WILL BE BETTER CHOICE?
: HE WILL BET 50 MOSTLY ON THE TURN I THINK. CALL IT SEE THE RIVER.
: RIVER HIT! BONG!
: QUESTION, WHAT HE HAD? LOWER STRAIGHT? OR TWO PAIR? OR SET? DONT KNOW IT.
: HOW MUCH BET ? U DO NOT HAVE POSTION, U SHOVE, HE CANNOT CALL U.
: TAUGH TO GET MAX VALUE.
| x*******0
发帖数: 94 | 7 actually, turn card did not change anything.
so what you are trying to present when you betting on the turn?
absolutely will get raise for that situation coz he knows you are on the
draw. the question is just a flush draw or a combo draw.
thinking, if you have set on the flop you will flat his raise?
i see many hands, when people have set on the flop get raise will re-raise
it.
i can understand your strategy, do some investments since you have a big
draw. to be honesty, your opp's style is like mine. he prob knows you on the
draw so he re-raised you on the turn. wants to keep you but lets you pay
more money.
if flush comes on the river, you cannot get a lot money if you just call on
the turn.
anyway, sometime, we have to do some crazy play. since you do shove like
this way. people will not re-raise always. they will give you respect since
you have luck!
on day, i saw a guy had AKs, opp hit set push all in on the flop, that guy
snap call with tptk and back door flush draw. runner runner flush. 1200 pot. | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 8 你这个思路是live的思路。
online的风格要激烈很多。
lz的打法碰上对手是straight成牌当然是吃亏一点。
但是大多数情况对手并没有成牌在手。
lz的semibluff可以打走对手的top pair，middle pair，和some draw。
从长期来看是+EV的打法。（比如对手如果是straight draw,到river大家都不中，lz再
一个大bet就肯定把对手打走了。）
还有你现在把对手放在成牌的位置，当然对手就首先虑lz是不是flush draw，因为其他
牌对对手都没威胁。如果对手没有成牌，他也会搞不清lz是two pair，set，还是
straight或draw。
the
【在 x*******0 的大作中提到】
: actually, turn card did not change anything.
: so what you are trying to present when you betting on the turn?
: absolutely will get raise for that situation coz he knows you are on the
: draw. the question is just a flush draw or a combo draw.
: thinking, if you have set on the flop you will flat his raise?
: i see many hands, when people have set on the flop get raise will re-raise
: it.
: i can understand your strategy, do some investments since you have a big
: draw. to be honesty, your opp's style is like mine. he prob knows you on the
: draw so he re-raised you on the turn. wants to keep you but lets you pay
| p******a
发帖数: 975 | 9 你说的很对
对手在turn raise我之前，考虑到牌面很wet，我觉得他最可能的牌是draw
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 你这个思路是live的思路。
: online的风格要激烈很多。
: lz的打法碰上对手是straight成牌当然是吃亏一点。
: 但是大多数情况对手并没有成牌在手。
: lz的semibluff可以打走对手的top pair，middle pair，和some draw。
: 从长期来看是+EV的打法。（比如对手如果是straight draw,到river大家都不中，lz再
: 一个大bet就肯定把对手打走了。）
: 还有你现在把对手放在成牌的位置，当然对手就首先虑lz是不是flush draw，因为其他
: 牌对对手都没威胁。如果对手没有成牌，他也会搞不清lz是two pair，set，还是
: straight或draw。
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 这个牌的turn 的bet 和raise size 都很奇怪。 |
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