p****0
发帖数: 611 | 1 2/5 NL. MP raised to 15 PF. 5 way pot. Flop AAcJc. UTG quick led out 40.
Fold to LP, who raised to 140. UTG tank and talk, then announced all in. LP
tank a while, showed A and asked UTG if he will show him the hand if he
fold. UTG said nothing. LP said to himself I think you got me, But how can I
fold this hand. UTG now started to talk, he said he will show to him. LP
fold A8o in the end.
UTG has stack of 350, LP has UTG covered. UTG's image is LAG. Should LP
fold? Why UTG push all in?
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发帖数: 1130 | 2 LAG UTG only limp and call preflop? Does he usually bet with AT and up?
This is a weird shove. LP must have A. Even for a LAG, shove with flush
draw here is not usual?
If I am LP, I will call. UTG may have Ax, and x could be <8; or a combo
draw like QcTc. There is enough odds to call. I don't see how a LAG UTG
could limp and call 5 way pot with AK, AA, JJ.
LP
I
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 2/5 NL. MP raised to 15 PF. 5 way pot. Flop AAcJc. UTG quick led out 40.
: Fold to LP, who raised to 140. UTG tank and talk, then announced all in. LP
: tank a while, showed A and asked UTG if he will show him the hand if he
: fold. UTG said nothing. LP said to himself I think you got me, But how can I
: fold this hand. UTG now started to talk, he said he will show to him. LP
: fold A8o in the end.
: UTG has stack of 350, LP has UTG covered. UTG's image is LAG. Should LP
: fold? Why UTG push all in?
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| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 3 ahead or behind, both possible, the tell is not reliable unless u guys had a
lot of history.
without special read, LP's raise/fold doesn't make any sense to me. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 with position, against a LAG with relatively short stack, i don't see why LP
makes such a move and such a size, if he has to tank, trash talk and then
fold a decent hand.
LP
I
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 2/5 NL. MP raised to 15 PF. 5 way pot. Flop AAcJc. UTG quick led out 40.
: Fold to LP, who raised to 140. UTG tank and talk, then announced all in. LP
: tank a while, showed A and asked UTG if he will show him the hand if he
: fold. UTG said nothing. LP said to himself I think you got me, But how can I
: fold this hand. UTG now started to talk, he said he will show to him. LP
: fold A8o in the end.
: UTG has stack of 350, LP has UTG covered. UTG's image is LAG. Should LP
: fold? Why UTG push all in?
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| q****8
发帖数: 3281 | | p****0
发帖数: 611 | 6 In fact. LP made a good fold there. Hero is UTG, hold AQ. After LP's fold
, hero showed Qc as he promised, which pissed the whole table off, lol.
Everybody else on the table said I was bluffing, pair w/ flush, purely air,
blah blah.
This hand, LP made a bad move by raising w/ position, which gave too much
information.
To myself, I don't really like my move either. I may overplay my hand again
. Maybe should do as you guys suggested before: shaking head, sigh couple
times, and make crying call on the flop. My excuse is giving my image,
I hope I can trap in LP with weak A by making a wild move there.
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: LP such a fish!
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 7 If I am LP, I got trapped. :-)
fold
,
again
,
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: In fact. LP made a good fold there. Hero is UTG, hold AQ. After LP's fold
: , hero showed Qc as he promised, which pissed the whole table off, lol.
: Everybody else on the table said I was bluffing, pair w/ flush, purely air,
: blah blah.
: This hand, LP made a bad move by raising w/ position, which gave too much
: information.
: To myself, I don't really like my move either. I may overplay my hand again
: . Maybe should do as you guys suggested before: shaking head, sigh couple
: times, and make crying call on the flop. My excuse is giving my image,
: I hope I can trap in LP with weak A by making a wild move there.
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 8 珍珠哥shove之后，pot上到550+，LP的pot odds将近1对3（25%），最差情况被AJ/AQ/
AK dominated，对上AQ/AK，LP仍然有大约8个outs（修改：应该是不到），再加上珍珠
哥可能持有的weak A，
draw，JJ，还是应该call啊。或者象之前我所说的，你们俩有太多历史，他又有
special read，那就另当别论了。
总之，不管结果如何，LP打得非常糟糕，从不会算这个简单的odds，一味信奉领先进，
落后扔的策略，可以判断出，他是个大输家。 | p****0
发帖数: 611 | 9 这牌就算我们有历史， 熟悉对方打法， 即使我face up, 也可以一赌啊？
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【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 珍珠哥shove之后，pot上到550+，LP的pot odds将近1对3（25%），最差情况被AJ/AQ/
: AK dominated，对上AQ/AK，LP仍然有大约8个outs（修改：应该是不到），再加上珍珠
: 哥可能持有的weak A，
: draw，JJ，还是应该call啊。或者象之前我所说的，你们俩有太多历史，他又有
: special read，那就另当别论了。
: 总之，不管结果如何，LP打得非常糟糕，从不会算这个简单的odds，一味信奉领先进，
: 落后扔的策略，可以判断出，他是个大输家。
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 10 LP need to call 195 to win a 750 pot, should he call?
If it is a bluff, it is a bad move,and a fold is even worse. | | | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 11
用哥的神器HOLDEMODDSEXPRESS算了一下，face up，odds 1to4，而pot odds是1to3不
到一点点，所以应该是个fold。
但是不face up，稍微加进其他牌，odds猛降到接近1比1。
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 这牌就算我们有历史， 熟悉对方打法， 即使我face up, 也可以一赌啊？
:
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| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 12
pot有效size不到600，不算LP最后放进去200的话
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: LP need to call 195 to win a 750 pot, should he call?
: If it is a bluff, it is a bad move,and a fold is even worse.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 13 一回事，这样有这样的算法，那样有那样的算法。殊途同归。
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: pot有效size不到600，不算LP最后放进去200的话
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 14 用D神的神器算了，A8o vs [Axo, QQ, JJ, KK, KQs, QJs, QTs], equity is 55.2% vs
44.8%.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: pot有效size不到600，不算LP最后放进去200的话
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 它这牌打得真没头没脑，不知所云。
$140到底是为啥子呢？
for information, it's too expensive, ~$100 could do the job;
for value, what hands can pay him off here?
for a fold? UTG's stack size is kind of short.
pot is $75+40=115 before he makes his move.
he totally wastes his position and wild range.
and the worst, he doesn't have a plan at all after his move... if he was
tanking for real, he should step down into 1/2 pond.
fold
,
again
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: In fact. LP made a good fold there. Hero is UTG, hold AQ. After LP's fold
: , hero showed Qc as he promised, which pissed the whole table off, lol.
: Everybody else on the table said I was bluffing, pair w/ flush, purely air,
: blah blah.
: This hand, LP made a bad move by raising w/ position, which gave too much
: information.
: To myself, I don't really like my move either. I may overplay my hand again
: . Maybe should do as you guys suggested before: shaking head, sigh couple
: times, and make crying call on the flop. My excuse is giving my image,
: I hope I can trap in LP with weak A by making a wild move there.
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 16 What will you guys play if u were me?
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【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 它这牌打得真没头没脑，不知所云。
: $140到底是为啥子呢？
: for information, it's too expensive, ~$100 could do the job;
: for value, what hands can pay him off here?
: for a fold? UTG's stack size is kind of short.
: pot is $75+40=115 before he makes his move.
: he totally wastes his position and wild range.
: and the worst, he doesn't have a plan at all after his move... if he was
: tanking for real, he should step down into 1/2 pond.
:
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 17 如果对手是个浪人，raise/commit，毕竟trips在湿牌面上总投入70个bb，从pot
control来讲，也是非常的合理
其他情况，裸call 3条街吧，对手在任何一条街slow down，就反推吧。 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 shoving是标准的，不过俺可能会不时call一下，turn上不管是啥，auto donk bet比如
$65，恶心死它。
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: What will you guys play if u were me?
:
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| m******1
发帖数: 715 | 19 LP thought UTG's half pot donk bet is likely a combo draw. Re-raise as his
trip is ahead. UTG shove convinced him that was not a draw. Then kicker
problem is highly possible. So fold.
In the heat of fight, he may not calculate the pot odd. But guys, he
deserves credit for the fold, following his own judgement.
LP
I
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 2/5 NL. MP raised to 15 PF. 5 way pot. Flop AAcJc. UTG quick led out 40.
: Fold to LP, who raised to 140. UTG tank and talk, then announced all in. LP
: tank a while, showed A and asked UTG if he will show him the hand if he
: fold. UTG said nothing. LP said to himself I think you got me, But how can I
: fold this hand. UTG now started to talk, he said he will show to him. LP
: fold A8o in the end.
: UTG has stack of 350, LP has UTG covered. UTG's image is LAG. Should LP
: fold? Why UTG push all in?
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| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 看结果fold 对了。 其实是害了他。可能一辈子都这样玩牌了。 悲剧。
LP
I
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 2/5 NL. MP raised to 15 PF. 5 way pot. Flop AAcJc. UTG quick led out 40.
: Fold to LP, who raised to 140. UTG tank and talk, then announced all in. LP
: tank a while, showed A and asked UTG if he will show him the hand if he
: fold. UTG said nothing. LP said to himself I think you got me, But how can I
: fold this hand. UTG now started to talk, he said he will show to him. LP
: fold A8o in the end.
: UTG has stack of 350, LP has UTG covered. UTG's image is LAG. Should LP
: fold? Why UTG push all in?
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
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