W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 double check raise.
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Merge $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -
MP2: $55.56
CO: $60.35
Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $49.50
BB: $19.26
UTG: $190.85
UTG+1: $50.84
MP1: $18.93
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with Kd 3d
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.33, SB calls $1.08, 1 fold
Flop: ($3.16) Qh Kh Ks (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, SB raises to $4, Hero calls $2
Turn: ($11.16) Ad (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.00, SB raises to $13.50, Hero calls $9.50
River: ($38.16) 6s (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Final Pot: $38.16
Hero shows Kd 3d
SB shows 4s 4c
Hero wins $36.04
(Rake: $2.12) |
g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 2 why did you check the river? no more value?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: double check raise.
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: Merge $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -
: MP2: $55.56
: CO: $60.35
: Hero (BTN): $50.00
: SB: $49.50
: BB: $19.26
: UTG: $190.85
: UTG+1: $50.84
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 river 没敢下注。 2 check raise. 感觉很polarize。很多weak鱼会在这里check
back weak K and better. 当时感觉如果river pot size jam 有点太thin了. 如果
下个1/3 pot, 他再check raise， i will hate my life. 找不到一个好的river
sizing, 所以就check 了。 |
p****0
发帖数: 611 | 4 其实你的turn flat说明你的牌力不是很强。 如果是boat，turn应该re-raise才对。
如果SB shove on the river, what will you do?
另外，MM能展开说说two check raise，如何polarize 了？ 一直想从Villian的下注大
小和方式来判断对方的牌。 比如这个polarize betting， 感觉总是找不到感觉。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: river 没敢下注。 2 check raise. 感觉很polarize。很多weak鱼会在这里check
: back weak K and better. 当时感觉如果river pot size jam 有点太thin了. 如果
: 下个1/3 pot, 他再check raise， i will hate my life. 找不到一个好的river
: sizing, 所以就check 了。
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 5 SB has about $30 left while the pot is 38.There is no kicker problem here.If
you were SB with boat here, give btn checked/called twice behind you 2
streets, will you check here or push all in?
If I was you, I will either
go all-in to get possible values of AQ,Axh( removed TJ here). or 1/3 pot to
induce bluff
and snap call.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: river 没敢下注。 2 check raise. 感觉很polarize。很多weak鱼会在这里check
: back weak K and better. 当时感觉如果river pot size jam 有点太thin了. 如果
: 下个1/3 pot, 他再check raise， i will hate my life. 找不到一个好的river
: sizing, 所以就check 了。
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 6 Should call turn cr even you had boat. you have plenty of time to get full
value on the river with position($30 left with $38 pot).
And because the turn call, SB could make hero call on the river try to catch
bluff if hero shoved.
如果SB shove on the river, what will you do
-- call if SB is fish otherwise fold.
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 其实你的turn flat说明你的牌力不是很强。 如果是boat，turn应该re-raise才对。
: 如果SB shove on the river, what will you do?
: 另外，MM能展开说说two check raise，如何polarize 了？ 一直想从Villian的下注大
: 小和方式来判断对方的牌。 比如这个polarize betting， 感觉总是找不到感觉。
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 太乐观了，对手除了bluff 就是worse hand. 其实我都不觉得他敢pocket 4 river 再
check raise river bluff, 否则他river 就强先shove bluff 了.
If
to
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: SB has about $30 left while the pot is 38.There is no kicker problem here.If
: you were SB with boat here, give btn checked/called twice behind you 2
: streets, will you check here or push all in?
: If I was you, I will either
: go all-in to get possible values of AQ,Axh( removed TJ here). or 1/3 pot to
: induce bluff
: and snap call.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 call. when they use strange line, I always call. if they have pocket As,
mark them as "fish" to get even.
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 其实你的turn flat说明你的牌力不是很强。 如果是boat，turn应该re-raise才对。
: 如果SB shove on the river, what will you do?
: 另外，MM能展开说说two check raise，如何polarize 了？ 一直想从Villian的下注大
: 小和方式来判断对方的牌。 比如这个polarize betting， 感觉总是找不到感觉。
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 10 Values comes from worse hand. If SB did not shove river, hero should as we
want to get values from worse hand. I think hero's hand still has potential
value here against SB's range.
"不觉得他敢pocket 4 river 再check raise river bluff" does not necessarily
mean he does not make hero call.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 太乐观了，对手除了bluff 就是worse hand. 其实我都不觉得他敢pocket 4 river 再
: check raise river bluff, 否则他river 就强先shove bluff 了.
:
: If
: to
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 11 Personally, I'm thinking in opposite. Turn is the best chance to build up
the pot if BTN has a boat and assuming it is the best hand. If SB fold on
the turn re-raise, very likely he will check-fold on the river. So no value
on the river. But if SB call the turn reraise, very likely he will lead
out or call the value bet on the river too. So I think turn reraise with
boat will maximize the value.
It's unlikey SB will make hero call on the river will nothing to catch bluff
. How can the BTN be bluffing by calling SB's check raise twice?
catch
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Should call turn cr even you had boat. you have plenty of time to get full
: value on the river with position($30 left with $38 pot).
: And because the turn call, SB could make hero call on the river try to catch
: bluff if hero shoved.
: 如果SB shove on the river, what will you do
: -- call if SB is fish otherwise fold.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 when he check raise twice, I deem his range polarized, (so he has a K or
better or total garbage). could be wrong. but when that is the read, I go
with my guts to make decision. because of this, I don't see much value on
shoving and i don't think he does check raise river enough with air to make
1/3
pot induce profitable.
to pearl0: I call turn and call river to keep all his garbage hand in play
even if I am 100% calling river.
potential
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Values comes from worse hand. If SB did not shove river, hero should as we
: want to get values from worse hand. I think hero's hand still has potential
: value here against SB's range.
: "不觉得他敢pocket 4 river 再check raise river bluff" does not necessarily
: mean he does not make hero call.
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 13 Pot is big enough for both to go all-in on the river if they do have a hand.
You dont need to build it at this moment. If both have more chips behind
more than the pot, then yes, you should build the pot on the turn. Given the
board QKKA, the river will be blank most likely. if you are good on the
turn, you are still good on the river. calling behind with position is
perfectly fine-- give SB more chances to make mistakes...
If it's unlikey SB will make hero call on the river, what will SB do on the
turn with hero's strong CRR? - fold right?
value
bluff
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: Personally, I'm thinking in opposite. Turn is the best chance to build up
: the pot if BTN has a boat and assuming it is the best hand. If SB fold on
: the turn re-raise, very likely he will check-fold on the river. So no value
: on the river. But if SB call the turn reraise, very likely he will lead
: out or call the value bet on the river too. So I think turn reraise with
: boat will maximize the value.
: It's unlikey SB will make hero call on the river will nothing to catch bluff
: . How can the BTN be bluffing by calling SB's check raise twice?
:
: catch
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 14 SB's range may not be polarized, actually SB could well have AQ or Axh. Lots
of players play fancy like this. I would do thin value bet for sure on the
river. Of cause, there is a risk associated with the thin value bet but long
term I find it's profitable. All depends on the read and style you play.
Well played over all.
go
make
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: when he check raise twice, I deem his range polarized, (so he has a K or
: better or total garbage). could be wrong. but when that is the read, I go
: with my guts to make decision. because of this, I don't see much value on
: shoving and i don't think he does check raise river enough with air to make
: 1/3
: pot induce profitable.
: to pearl0: I call turn and call river to keep all his garbage hand in play
: even if I am 100% calling river.
:
: potential
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 15 谢谢D神啊，：）
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 围棋哥 犀利
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 主要还是unknown。 其实我还很想看看他是啥牌。shove 他fold 了这牌多没劲啊。其
实他一check river, 我基本觉得丫就是一个total air ball, 准备check fold.
贴这个主要是让大家看看对手这fancy 的打法, 娱乐一下。
Lots
the
long
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: SB's range may not be polarized, actually SB could well have AQ or Axh. Lots
: of players play fancy like this. I would do thin value bet for sure on the
: river. Of cause, there is a risk associated with the thin value bet but long
: term I find it's profitable. All depends on the read and style you play.
: Well played over all.
:
: go
: make
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