p******e
发帖数: 327 | 1 1/2 live
Hero stack $450
BB stack $500
UTG stack $200
None of us are crazy loose players or nits.
UTG limp, Hero at LP with K9 hearts raised to 10. Button, BB, UTG called. 4
way pot.
Flop K98 with two diamonds flush draw
BB and UTG checked. Hero bet $20. Button fold.
BB rasied to $75. UTG went all in.
What will you do? | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 2 easy fold for your stack. the very best you can expect is against a combo
draw. you can easily be against 99 or 88 there.
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【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 live
: Hero stack $450
: BB stack $500
: UTG stack $200
: None of us are crazy loose players or nits.
: UTG limp, Hero at LP with K9 hearts raised to 10. Button, BB, UTG called. 4
: way pot.
: Flop K98 with two diamonds flush draw
: BB and UTG checked. Hero bet $20. Button fold.
: BB rasied to $75. UTG went all in.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 top 2 is sht here, unless you expect they'd play KQ like this, lol.
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【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 live
: Hero stack $450
: BB stack $500
: UTG stack $200
: None of us are crazy loose players or nits.
: UTG limp, Hero at LP with K9 hearts raised to 10. Button, BB, UTG called. 4
: way pot.
: Flop K98 with two diamonds flush draw
: BB and UTG checked. Hero bet $20. Button fold.
: BB rasied to $75. UTG went all in.
| b*****t
发帖数: 52 | 4 tough call. fold to an all-in but no fold to an raise.
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【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 live
: Hero stack $450
: BB stack $500
: UTG stack $200
: None of us are crazy loose players or nits.
: UTG limp, Hero at LP with K9 hearts raised to 10. Button, BB, UTG called. 4
: way pot.
: Flop K98 with two diamonds flush draw
: BB and UTG checked. Hero bet $20. Button fold.
: BB rasied to $75. UTG went all in.
| n***a
发帖数: 274 | 5 what would u do if hero got bottom set | p******e
发帖数: 327 | 6 that's exactly what i thought and i folded.
I put BB on 88 and UTG on flush draw.
it turned out BB had K8 and UTG had flush draw with a mid pair J9 diamonds.
BB won the pot with two pair.
I had no problem with folding. My position there was just bad.
But two other players at the table really thought I made a bad fold, which
made me question my fold. Glad to hear from you guys that I made the right
fold. | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | | p******e
发帖数: 327 | 8 so you think it's a call/all in? why? | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 9 i was to post and say call. but saw your post on what it was.
Q? Why not call? you have 16% to hit boat. you had K9 and forget 99(KK
surely much less due to pre).The only hand beat you is 88. If 88, you get 16
%. If combo, you get 50%.At 3-way, this are not small %. Anf there are more
hands you beat.
if MTT, i could fold to TAG on turn(not flop). Cash, highly not. | c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 10 Wow. You guys respect your opponents so much?? On a wet board, this seems to
be an easy call for me. I generally go with SPR unless I have history or a
read -- losing $450 with top2 on a $40 pot is not a big mistake. | | | D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 11 I would not worry about UTG, the fact he is all in highly pushes his range
to
the drawing side, besides i am willing to lose 200$ for top two on this flop
anyway.
a little bit concern about BB, though, but, let's see, if ppl mean to slow
play set, normally they would perfer flat while there is other customers
behind.
definitely can use some live tells here, but without tell i would not fold
just yet, you still get position.
4 bet here won't be a good idea, cuase you get better call and worse fold.
i may call, if BB push, i will have to fold, but much comfortably.
if BB just call, but not instant, then i know he is behind me now then i can
play turn accordingly.
this isn't the best spot to win, but,this could be the best in a night, or
in aweek. We simply don't have much chances to win big $ with dominant odds.
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【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 live
: Hero stack $450
: BB stack $500
: UTG stack $200
: None of us are crazy loose players or nits.
: UTG limp, Hero at LP with K9 hearts raised to 10. Button, BB, UTG called. 4
: way pot.
: Flop K98 with two diamonds flush draw
: BB and UTG checked. Hero bet $20. Button fold.
: BB rasied to $75. UTG went all in.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 12 I do not usually play 200BB+ with top 2 unless with strong read.
when you make this kind of decision, we may always refer Phil.Galfond's G
-bucks concept. We put opponenets on a range of hands and think about our
hand's equality against that range. We define that range based on opponent's
style, position and how the hand is played out. We also want to think about
risk/reward factor when we make the decision. I definately do not like to
risk 400$ to a 40$ pot with top 2 , w/o strong read.
You may run pokerstove to find out your equality against your opponent's
range there. If you watch some high stake vid, these pro like Phil G often
run stove to find their equality and the price they get when they make a big
decision. You may be against 88,99,k8,k9,89, JTs, 67s etc.
to
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【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Wow. You guys respect your opponents so much?? On a wet board, this seems to
: be an easy call for me. I generally go with SPR unless I have history or a
: read -- losing $450 with top2 on a $40 pot is not a big mistake.
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 13 utg is relatively short stack and there are possible flush and str8 draws, u
really need to worry is bb,
u have k9, so kk or 99 (kk is very unlikely since BB doesn't 3bet pre), only
1 combo each, and 3 combo 88, that's all the combo can beat u, and total 5
(probably 4 combo) are your coolers, the rest you are either a small
favorite (against combo draws) or big favorite (against small 2 pairs),
really depends on your imagine and history, and your style
for me? TOP 2 here are good enough, after all, we are here for fun!!!!
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【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 live
: Hero stack $450
: BB stack $500
: UTG stack $200
: None of us are crazy loose players or nits.
: UTG limp, Hero at LP with K9 hearts raised to 10. Button, BB, UTG called. 4
: way pot.
: Flop K98 with two diamonds flush draw
: BB and UTG checked. Hero bet $20. Button fold.
: BB rasied to $75. UTG went all in.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 all in to rep KK. fold out bb's set to get heads up vs utg.
it is 200bb man! nits can't call without the nuts when so deep! they will use poker stove to convince for a fold because they put you only on KK once you shove. | p******e
发帖数: 327 | 15 you got a very good point.
flop
【在 D*A 的大作中提到】
: I would not worry about UTG, the fact he is all in highly pushes his range
: to
: the drawing side, besides i am willing to lose 200$ for top two on this flop
: anyway.
: a little bit concern about BB, though, but, let's see, if ppl mean to slow
: play set, normally they would perfer flat while there is other customers
: behind.
: definitely can use some live tells here, but without tell i would not fold
: just yet, you still get position.
: 4 bet here won't be a good idea, cuase you get better call and worse fold.
| a**********g
发帖数: 104 | 16 If BB has $200 stack as UTG, I would probably call, but $450 is kinda too
deep.
Do you believe UTG's range includes strong draws and two pairs? How about
BB?
If you don't think UTG can have anything other than set, of coz you fold.
That is easy.
But, considering his stack size, I would think his range includes two pairs
and strong draws. Then there is a tough choice because BB is still behind
you. If you bet all in, what do you think he might call you with? If you
just call, and he goes all in, will you call again? What if he calls and
the turn completes a flush or straight possibility?
Over all, I think your top two pairs is ahead of both their ranges. For
that reason, you should not fold. But if you don't fold, you are committing
a deep stack. It is tough. I myself will get it in. It is more fun. But
it is not that bad an idea to fold here too.
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【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 live
: Hero stack $450
: BB stack $500
: UTG stack $200
: None of us are crazy loose players or nits.
: UTG limp, Hero at LP with K9 hearts raised to 10. Button, BB, UTG called. 4
: way pot.
: Flop K98 with two diamonds flush draw
: BB and UTG checked. Hero bet $20. Button fold.
: BB rasied to $75. UTG went all in.
| T********n
发帖数: 528 | 17 Wouldn't this hand be a lot easier to play if you bet pot (or slightly over
pot) since it's so wet/drawy? As played the biggest problem you seem to
have with shoving is it folds out all of BB's range that you beat, but
betting bigger bigger on flop helps with that problem (if only a little bit).
In your specific circumstances I fold if action comes back to me not because
I think I necessarily have the worst hand but because it will be hard to
get fair share value if I'm ahead here but will certainly be punished for
the maximum regardless of how I choose to continue if I"m behind. | a**********g
发帖数: 104 | 18 What about KQ that is also a flush draw? How about KA that is also a nut
flush draw? Do you think those could be in UTG's range?
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: top 2 is sht here, unless you expect they'd play KQ like this, lol.
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