T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 1 AKs in a 3-way pot.
The pot was pretty big because the HJ seat made it $12 to go.
Flop see attached, he continued to bet $29 into a $45 dollars pot, assume
you not seeing his hole card, what will you do? Flat call, fold or shove? | L****n
发帖数: 490 | 2 I will shove. But I get a lot of swing because of it. Last night, I shoved into a set ... with my flush draw + 2 over cards | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 4 bet pre .. I am guessing this guy's 3 bet % should be at least 5%. vs this type of oppoents, I am 4 betting AKs and getting it in preflop if he shoves. If he flat 4 bet, you will get a lot of fold equity post flop. I will pot flop and reraise all in if raised. If called, shove turn. | T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 4 Hi guys, thanks for the input.
Just want to add that I lost that pot after I shove on the turn for $139.
In theory it is the correct play, but just like Lundon said, it creates a
lot of swings. In this particular play, I could have flat called and gave up
on the turn, and save $94 because we both pretty deep.
Windstorm, I like your aggressive play. But in NL100, still a lot of ppl
reluctant to lay down JJs, TTs, preflop. or Yesterday the same guy 4-bet me
with JJ again, only this time I had AAs. | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 5 shove is normal here for CASH. Call on flop is too conservative. That is ok at
MTT. | L****n
发帖数: 490 | 6 I don't like shoving the turn. It's much better to shove the flop when you still ahead.
Any hand gonna fold to your turn shove, will definitely fold to your flop shove. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 我是说如果4 bet, 他call了c bet 的清况下shove turn... 如果他raise flop 当然
reraise all in. | T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 8 I miss typed that one. I shove on the flop.
On the turn shove probably tough to get him lay down.
say we both 140. 4-bet cause 33 each, pot 66, c-bet 40, pot will be sth like
$146, and we both have 70 left ( actually in the example above, he has less
than that). Shove only cause him 70 to a $210 pot.
For him, any reasonable hand is an automatic call.
So in this situation, shove on the flop is the best play, pct wise, we are
ahead.
But sometimes I just don't feel I can hit that. Run twice will be nice if we
both deep. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 There are also more to 4 bet at this spot with AsKs. If i am the guy with
JJ and notice you flat AKs in a multiway pot out of position, you will never
get action from me when you 4 bet with AA KK. On the other hand, you can
expect me to 3 bet you with wide range. If you flat AK out of position and
play fit a fold, you might as well fold pre.
up
me
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Hi guys, thanks for the input.
: Just want to add that I lost that pot after I shove on the turn for $139.
: In theory it is the correct play, but just like Lundon said, it creates a
: lot of swings. In this particular play, I could have flat called and gave up
: on the turn, and save $94 because we both pretty deep.
: Windstorm, I like your aggressive play. But in NL100, still a lot of ppl
: reluctant to lay down JJs, TTs, preflop. or Yesterday the same guy 4-bet me
: with JJ again, only this time I had AAs.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 can't call their 3 bet multiway out of position.. 4 bet and get it in unless
he is exceptionally tight <2% 3 bet over large sample, then you can fold.
Call is not profitable.
Vs most other opponents, treat your AK like As Ks and endure the variance.
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
CO: $93.55
BTN: $100.00
SB: $193.35
BB: $102.10
UTG: $271.30
UTG+1: $137.45
Hero (UTG+2): $138.20
MP1: $100.00
MP2: $55.10
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+2 with Kh Ac
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, MP2 calls $3, 1 fold, BTN raises to $13.
50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $30, 1 fold, BTN raises to $100 all in, Hero
calls $70
Flop: ($204.50) 4s 3s 2s (2 players - 1 is all in)
Turn: ($204.50) 5h (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($204.50) Tc (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $204.50
BTN shows Qs Qc (a pair of Queens)
Hero shows Kh Ac (a straight, Five high)
Hero wins $201.50
(Rake: $3.00)
never
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: There are also more to 4 bet at this spot with AsKs. If i am the guy with
: JJ and notice you flat AKs in a multiway pot out of position, you will never
: get action from me when you 4 bet with AA KK. On the other hand, you can
: expect me to 3 bet you with wide range. If you flat AK out of position and
: play fit a fold, you might as well fold pre.
:
: up
: me
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发帖数: 15860 | 11 if the plan is to get all-in most of time, then isn't $30 too small?
1) almost no fold equity;
2) perfect stack size ($70 for $70 pot) for his pre-flop weakish JJ/TT alike
hands to shove on low flops?
unless
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: can't call their 3 bet multiway out of position.. 4 bet and get it in unless
: he is exceptionally tight <2% 3 bet over large sample, then you can fold.
: Call is not profitable.
: Vs most other opponents, treat your AK like As Ks and endure the variance.
: ========================================================
: Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
: CO: $93.55
: BTN: $100.00
: SB: $193.35
: BB: $102.10
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 i don't want to give out tells on my 4 bet sizing.. all my 4 bet are 2.5X more or less..
AA AK KK QQ bluffs anything.. The fold equity are pretty much the same believe it or not
alike
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: if the plan is to get all-in most of time, then isn't $30 too small?
: 1) almost no fold equity;
: 2) perfect stack size ($70 for $70 pot) for his pre-flop weakish JJ/TT alike
: hands to shove on low flops?
:
: unless
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 but fold equity is one major strength of AK ah? after all, it's strong but
still not AA/KK.
actually, when he pushes back for 100BB, you're surely behind and have to
use the other strength of AK as a drawing hand, which is at best a coin flip
situation like this one, as bob ciffion would say, not a good gambling
situation.
$30 makes hands like 99/88 even have a chance to come along, and we miss 2/3
flops, out of position, even worse.
more or less..
believe it or not
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i don't want to give out tells on my 4 bet sizing.. all my 4 bet are 2.5X more or less..
: AA AK KK QQ bluffs anything.. The fold equity are pretty much the same believe it or not
:
: alike
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 what do they come along with 99 for? hope to hit their set? they are not going to make a profit if they are going to fit and fold post flop while i am not. The only problem here is when he flat with AA, then I am drawing dead. But I am drawing dead either way if he shoves and i snap. So it is not important.
if he has AA, good game to him. Villian is squeeze happy. Player like that get AA vs my AK, it is a sure pay off. There is nothing we can do. of course since he mini4 bet this time with AA. it is a tell. next time if he shove, it is probably not AA. So we can exploit. probably some bluff in shove..
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Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
UTG+2: $104.15
Hero (MP1): $100.00
MP2: $55.25
CO: $168.80
BTN: $100.00
SB: $36.00
BB: $100.00
UTG: $93.85
UTG+1: $49.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP1 with Ks Ad
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, MP2 calls $3, 1 fold, BTN raises to $13.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $30, 1 fold, BTN raises to $60, Hero raises to $100, BTN calls $40
Flop: ($204.50) Jc 5h Kc (2 players)
Turn: ($204.50) Tc (2 players)
River: ($204.50) 6s (2 players)
Final Pot: $204.50
Hero shows Ks Ad
BTN shows Ah Ac
BTN wins $201.50
(Rake: $3.00)
flip
/3
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: but fold equity is one major strength of AK ah? after all, it's strong but
: still not AA/KK.
: actually, when he pushes back for 100BB, you're surely behind and have to
: use the other strength of AK as a drawing hand, which is at best a coin flip
: situation like this one, as bob ciffion would say, not a good gambling
: situation.
: $30 makes hands like 99/88 even have a chance to come along, and we miss 2/3
: flops, out of position, even worse.
:
: more or less..
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 99 is just one example on the lower end.
to me, $30 here is to leave yourself some room to fold to his shove, but in
your plan, you'd call his shove no matter what (or unless he's extremely
tight), which i guess it's problematic:
1) few ppl would shove with QQ- here, against QQ/KK/AA/AK combined, you're
in very bad shape;
2) most ppl would call $17 with 99/TT/JJ/AQs here for 1:3 odds, out of
position on the flop, and his stack/pot size, what are you going to do?
or, this smallish 4-bet accomplishes little.
going to make a profit if they are going to fit and fold post flop while i
am not. The only problem here is when he flat with AA, then I am drawing
dead. But I am drawing dead either way if he shoves and i snap. So it is not
important.
get AA vs my AK, it is a sure pay off. There is nothing we can do. of
course since he mini4 bet this time with AA. it is a tell. next time if he
shove, it is probably not AA. So we can exploit. probably some bluff in
shove..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: what do they come along with 99 for? hope to hit their set? they are not going to make a profit if they are going to fit and fold post flop while i am not. The only problem here is when he flat with AA, then I am drawing dead. But I am drawing dead either way if he shoves and i snap. So it is not important.
: if he has AA, good game to him. Villian is squeeze happy. Player like that get AA vs my AK, it is a sure pay off. There is nothing we can do. of course since he mini4 bet this time with AA. it is a tell. next time if he shove, it is probably not AA. So we can exploit. probably some bluff in shove..
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: Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
: UTG+2: $104.15
: Hero (MP1): $100.00
: MP2: $55.25
: CO: $168.80
: BTN: $100.00
: SB: $36.00
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