W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 果然有用.. 神了.. lol..
没来的兄第对不起了... haha..
比不过lundon 收益大, 早知我飞去DC 和他们一起开过来... | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 “50刀一本，50刀一本，买二送一，九阴真经大酬宾”。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 果然有用.. 神了.. lol..
: 没来的兄第对不起了... haha..
: 比不过lundon 收益大, 早知我飞去DC 和他们一起开过来...
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 3 奇怪，要抽风大家一起抽风？
要不什么时候大家都聚一聚，请上 fcf 讲讲牌经，大家喝喝小酒。只不过我不能再打
live 了。
今天我的，万里长征补洞第一步。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 果然有用.. 神了.. lol..
: 没来的兄第对不起了... haha..
: 比不过lundon 收益大, 早知我飞去DC 和他们一起开过来...
| f*f
发帖数: 121 | | f*f
发帖数: 121 | 5 hehe.. 我看你Live时最大问题是打牌时没用注意到自己的stack size, 你大概20bb，
50bb， 100bb preflop 的打法都差不多。
打
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 奇怪，要抽风大家一起抽风？
: 要不什么时候大家都聚一聚，请上 fcf 讲讲牌经，大家喝喝小酒。只不过我不能再打
: live 了。
: 今天我的，万里长征补洞第一步。
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 the FCF effect continues.
didn't play yesterday but another 450$ up today
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 果然有用.. 神了.. lol..
: 没来的兄第对不起了... haha..
: 比不过lundon 收益大, 早知我飞去DC 和他们一起开过来...
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 lol.
FCF deserves the coaching!!!
Nice run though, FCF can not teach you to win all those flips.
My personal coach choice: FCF or foucault.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: the FCF effect continues.
: didn't play yesterday but another 450$ up today
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 8 fcf 老大，我一般 buy-in 2/5 会在 40 bb - 50 bb 左右。 同样的筹码 1/2 就在
100bb。
40bb-50bb 似乎在我的 comfort zone， 我起手牌敢看一些 KQs，AJ 之类的牌，人多
一些的话会玩一些中等的 suited connector。
我一般不会打 30bb 左右的 short-stack。那天你看到我玩 70 快左右，是已经给打下
来的钱。因为觉得运气不好，没有 re-buy。short-stack 我缺乏耐心和时机的把握，
有一个 top pair 就 all-in。
2/5 full buyin 对我来说太大了。
请问什么样的 stack size 比较适合 2/5？ 对于 40-50bb 来说，怎么样的打法为最佳
？ 想听听您的建议。
，
【在 f*f 的大作中提到】
: hehe.. 我看你Live时最大问题是打牌时没用注意到自己的stack size, 你大概20bb，
: 50bb， 100bb preflop 的打法都差不多。
:
: 打
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 9 just my two cents. You don't really want to be in multi-way pot, since a lot
of time, you don't have enough implied odds. The advantage of short stack
is to take dead money by squeeze loose pre-flop raiser. Short stack need to
be aggressive pre-flop, most of your money should go in preflop and get to
heads-up. Your staring hand should be mostly high cards, AJ, AQ, AK, 99+.
Maybe even 77, 88, A10 in late position.
Also you need to constantly rebuy. If below certain level, you can't even squeeze. | L****n
发帖数: 490 | 10
I just got to $900+ as well, but with double your hands.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: the FCF effect continues.
: didn't play yesterday but another 450$ up today
| | | f*f
发帖数: 121 | 11 nice results guys.
bigslick, You can play pretty much all stack size profitably at 2/5. You
just need to know how to play your stack correctly. In fact, I think 20bb
stack might work very well at those tables, but the way you were playing it,
it was way too passive. The main advantage of being a short stack is that
you can push allin preflop with decent hands and take down the pot preflop
or get it HU allin with someone where a lot of dead money is on the table so
you don't need to win nearly 50% to show a profit. Playing a short stack
and calling bets preflop, then play fit or fold after flop is however a
disaster.
I never play 50bb stack myself, so I don't really know how to play this
stack size. But I suspect it's not a very good stack size to buyin for you
at 2/5 for several reasons. You said you normally play 100bb at 1/2,
playing 50bb and 100bb requires different strategy, whatever strategy you
use at 1/2 100bb deep probably don't translate well into a 50bb stack at 2/5
table. Second, 95%+ of the player who buyin less than 100bb on the table
are fishy players. The good players at the table will target you for
isolation and will likely make more moves against you when you are in a pot.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 agree.
if we watch enough russian/german, sometimes even chinese, short stackers
play online, they all follow a very simple fold/push pre-flop strategy. they
normally buy in for 40BB, and if they're in a hand, all money will go in no
later than the flop. their pushing range is just like lundon said, 88+ or
AT+.
but there's one problem using this strategy in live, VOLUME. online short
stackers normally play 10+ tables and they can show a profit much easier
with their robotic play, plus rakeback, good deal, even they have to deal
with a lot of coin flip situations.
live, you can only play one single table and ~15 max hands/hour. for example
, $5 session fee every half hour ($2/5NL) will kill short stackers easily.
at the same time, ppl have more face to face read on you, which makes your
strategy have to deal with a smaller pushing edge.
if you play this strategy due to bankroll, i'd say $1/2NL is a much better
game where you have better edge, and can play deeper stack. after all, we
play best against ppl who're worse than us, lol.
it,
that
so
【在 f*f 的大作中提到】
: nice results guys.
: bigslick, You can play pretty much all stack size profitably at 2/5. You
: just need to know how to play your stack correctly. In fact, I think 20bb
: stack might work very well at those tables, but the way you were playing it,
: it was way too passive. The main advantage of being a short stack is that
: you can push allin preflop with decent hands and take down the pot preflop
: or get it HU allin with someone where a lot of dead money is on the table so
: you don't need to win nearly 50% to show a profit. Playing a short stack
: and calling bets preflop, then play fit or fold after flop is however a
: disaster.
| S*********e
发帖数: 865 | 13 chips越多感觉越施展得开，而且心里有底。
各种打法都出来了，short stack在live感觉憋得皇
they
no
example
You
20bb
preflop
table
stack
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: agree.
: if we watch enough russian/german, sometimes even chinese, short stackers
: play online, they all follow a very simple fold/push pre-flop strategy. they
: normally buy in for 40BB, and if they're in a hand, all money will go in no
: later than the flop. their pushing range is just like lundon said, 88+ or
: AT+.
: but there's one problem using this strategy in live, VOLUME. online short
: stackers normally play 10+ tables and they can show a profit much easier
: with their robotic play, plus rakeback, good deal, even they have to deal
: with a lot of coin flip situations.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 short stack makes a lot of otherwise playable hands (and more importantly,
great implied odds) not profitable any more, like mid SCs and PPs.
pre-flop, you know you're most likely behind, and you'll miss much more
often than hit, even you hit, you'll win a small pot.
i agree with fcf, that folding a lot with short stack on the flop is a
disaster.
【在 S*********e 的大作中提到】
: chips越多感觉越施展得开，而且心里有底。
: 各种打法都出来了，short stack在live感觉憋得皇
:
: they
: no
: example
: You
: 20bb
: preflop
: table
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 15 Thanks, fcf:
Next time ( not any time soon) I will try short-stack buy-in for 100 and
push preflop action and isolation, try to be aggressive.
I agree with you the 20bb can play very well, since live game a lot of loose
player will call with any type of hand, once you get opportunities to push,
you will have great chance to double up, if it is headsup with a lot of
dead money.
Or I just go back to 1/2 then. I'd try Sands, a lot of new faces there. AC,
too many regulars grind even on 1/2 level. | s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 16 Borrow from LZ here, if don't mind.
Say I am in for 100BB at 1/2, but got bad beat to 20BB left. What should I
do?
1) Reload to 100BB
2) Play short stack
3) Pissed off and leave
4) other
Of course, the goal is to get the 100BB back. | f*f
发帖数: 121 | 17 Poker has no memory, you lost 80bb should have no effect to your decision at
this time. Also, the goal really shouldn't be trying to get that 80bb back
, it should be try to play your next hand as well as you possibly could.
since you started the table with 100bb, I would assume that you believed
that was the best stack size for you to start, unless something on the table
changed your opinion, you should probably reload back to 100bb and try to
continue to play every hand well.
by the way, lose 1 buyin is nothing,can't let things like that affect your
game or you are not likely going to win in the long run.
I
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: Borrow from LZ here, if don't mind.
: Say I am in for 100BB at 1/2, but got bad beat to 20BB left. What should I
: do?
: 1) Reload to 100BB
: 2) Play short stack
: 3) Pissed off and leave
: 4) other
: Of course, the goal is to get the 100BB back.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 I always buy in 100bb at live game, and then buy another 100$ with 4 25$ chips and put them in the pocket. Every time when the stack go under 90bb I take out a 25$ chip and top off. If i win, i keep the chips in my pocket.
Just my way to overcome "no reload option" in live game.
I
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: Borrow from LZ here, if don't mind.
: Say I am in for 100BB at 1/2, but got bad beat to 20BB left. What should I
: do?
: 1) Reload to 100BB
: 2) Play short stack
: 3) Pissed off and leave
: 4) other
: Of course, the goal is to get the 100BB back.
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 19 good advice, thanks. I always let this mental part of game get in my way.
More often than it should. I bought in 100BB at 1/2 live game long time ago
, never changed. Don't know why and just stick to it now. In live game, I
don't let losing one buy-in bother me at all, not even two buy-ins.
Actually, in live game, I don't lose more than 2 buy-ins more than few times
. However, on FTP, it is a different story. Maybe others think that I am a
crying baby, just I lost to bad beats and river suck outs all the time.
Losing 3 buy-ins happened much more often. It is very difficult not to let
that piece of mind get in my way on FTP. It might be rigged, if you asked
me. haha.
at
back
table
【在 f*f 的大作中提到】
: Poker has no memory, you lost 80bb should have no effect to your decision at
: this time. Also, the goal really shouldn't be trying to get that 80bb back
: , it should be try to play your next hand as well as you possibly could.
: since you started the table with 100bb, I would assume that you believed
: that was the best stack size for you to start, unless something on the table
: changed your opinion, you should probably reload back to 100bb and try to
: continue to play every hand well.
: by the way, lose 1 buyin is nothing,can't let things like that affect your
: game or you are not likely going to win in the long run.
:
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