T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 1 我在 card player 网站上看 WSOP 的 hand description, 其中一手牌, $40+ M pot：
Billy Kopp Eliminated in 12th Place ($896,730)
Billy Kopp raised to 600,000 preflop in early position and Darvin Moon
called from the small blind. The flop came Kd 9d 2d and Moon checked. Kopp
bet 750,000 and Moon called. The 2h on the turn prompted Moon to once again
check. Kopp bet 2,000,000 and Moon check-raised to 6,000,000. Kopp didn’t
take long before moving all in for 20,000,000. Moon made the call and
exposed the Qd Jd for t | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 kopp already lost his mind when he raised with this trash hand from EP AND
hit a "dream" flop... he pushed himself deep into a big pot mode already and
couldn't get out no matter what would happen.
from his bio, he should be a much more experienced high stake player on full
tilt than Moon, a logger and casual player here in MD.
from the limited hands i read, Moon played a lot of straight forward ABC
poker actually. he played a lot of QJ, KJ alike hands, while his opponent
over played a worse kic
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 我在 card player 网站上看 WSOP 的 hand description, 其中一手牌, $40+ M pot：
: Billy Kopp Eliminated in 12th Place ($896,730)
: Billy Kopp raised to 600,000 preflop in early position and Darvin Moon
: called from the small blind. The flop came Kd 9d 2d and Moon checked. Kopp
: bet 750,000 and Moon called. The 2h on the turn prompted Moon to once again
: check. Kopp bet 2,000,000 and Moon check-raised to 6,000,000. Kopp didn’t
: take long before moving all in for 20,000,000. Moon made the call and
: exposed the Qd Jd for t
| I**n
发帖数: 839 | 3 Moon 有两段采访 最后一段在dinner break （14 players left) 他说的很清楚 "I
don't
mind giving them the blinds here and there, but i will smooth call them
when I got AA and have all their chips" 他就是play ABC poker. “Making move
against him" 基本是自找麻烦. | T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 4 Dennis Pilips did have the chip lead last year going into the final table,
but he only had sth like $22 M
Moon has $58,930,000 now, a far too dominate chip lead. Just like 2006's Jamie
Gold.
I think short of a major meltdown, he will finish at least top 3. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 hehe, i like his tune, "hey, guys, who's afraid of who?"
Jeff, editor at card player and now 4th in chips, is another interesting guy
too. he claimed he'll throw the bracelet in trash can if he wins, and never
plays any more WSOP, and never any poker (this one i doubt)... and his
friends said he's serious.
move
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: Moon 有两段采访 最后一段在dinner break （14 players left) 他说的很清楚 "I
: don't
: mind giving them the blinds here and there, but i will smooth call them
: when I got AA and have all their chips" 他就是play ABC poker. “Making move
: against him" 基本是自找麻烦.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 6 With three cashes since May totaling over $260,000, including one WSOP final
table, two first place finishes in Full Tilt MTT’s worth over $150k, and a
third place finish on PokerStars for over $71k, Kopp is clearly having the
best poker year of his life and this Main Event finish should ensure we see
lots more of him in the future.
again
to
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 我在 card player 网站上看 WSOP 的 hand description, 其中一手牌, $40+ M pot：
: Billy Kopp Eliminated in 12th Place ($896,730)
: Billy Kopp raised to 600,000 preflop in early position and Darvin Moon
: called from the small blind. The flop came Kd 9d 2d and Moon checked. Kopp
: bet 750,000 and Moon called. The 2h on the turn prompted Moon to once again
: check. Kopp bet 2,000,000 and Moon check-raised to 6,000,000. Kopp didn’t
: take long before moving all in for 20,000,000. Moon made the call and
: exposed the Qd Jd for t
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 2008: (starting chips, 20K, 6,844 players) | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 8 那个check-raise到6M很serious的，他应该认为对方至少有张Ad，也许外加一对，
我觉得他最多只能call，看river是不是会再来一张方块。不过他这么一allin,
如果对方是J high 而不是Q high（外加str8 flush draw），可能会force
对方fold，咔咔。。（那个str8 flush draw其实挺害人的，基本上没用，但一般
人都不愿意fold这样的draw，特别是open end的话）。
and
full
your
s
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: kopp already lost his mind when he raised with this trash hand from EP AND
: hit a "dream" flop... he pushed himself deep into a big pot mode already and
: couldn't get out no matter what would happen.
: from his bio, he should be a much more experienced high stake player on full
: tilt than Moon, a logger and casual player here in MD.
: from the limited hands i read, Moon played a lot of straight forward ABC
: poker actually. he played a lot of QJ, KJ alike hands, while his opponent
: over played a worse kic
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 9 哦对了，那个Smith 20分钟内拿了两次AA，第一次好像没人陪他玩，第二次就被set搞
死了。。
and
full
your
s
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: kopp already lost his mind when he raised with this trash hand from EP AND
: hit a "dream" flop... he pushed himself deep into a big pot mode already and
: couldn't get out no matter what would happen.
: from his bio, he should be a much more experienced high stake player on full
: tilt than Moon, a logger and casual player here in MD.
: from the limited hands i read, Moon played a lot of straight forward ABC
: poker actually. he played a lot of QJ, KJ alike hands, while his opponent
: over played a worse kic
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 he shouldn't play this hand this big at all, low flush, paired board,
straight-forward opponent, good action already, big bubble time...
before this hand, he got a very healthy stack as 5th, and had a very good
chance to enter final table, even if he finishes as 9th, it's a big money
jump: $591,869 to $900,670, or 300K. and also consider all the sponsorship/
commercial deals for "Nov. 9", this 300K might only be a small piece.
ESPN blogger said he never thought it would be Kopp who went out. Jor
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 那个check-raise到6M很serious的，他应该认为对方至少有张Ad，也许外加一对，
: 我觉得他最多只能call，看river是不是会再来一张方块。不过他这么一allin,
: 如果对方是J high 而不是Q high（外加str8 flush draw），可能会force
: 对方fold，咔咔。。（那个str8 flush draw其实挺害人的，基本上没用，但一般
: 人都不愿意fold这样的draw，特别是open end的话）。
:
: and
: full
: your
: s
| | | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 11 he is lag style. he can check on the turn, but he choose to bully the final
table bubble.
s
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: he shouldn't play this hand this big at all, low flush, paired board,
: straight-forward opponent, good action already, big bubble time...
: before this hand, he got a very healthy stack as 5th, and had a very good
: chance to enter final table, even if he finishes as 9th, it's a big money
: jump: $591,869 to $900,670, or 300K. and also consider all the sponsorship/
: commercial deals for "Nov. 9", this 300K might only be a small piece.
: ESPN blogger said he never thought it would be Kopp who went out. Jor
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 12 Whom he was bullying though? Moon had a deep stack got him covered.
He only had like 2-3 M in the pot before he made the all-ins move.
Considering the circumstance (3 players away from final table), this move
doesn't make sense at all.
final
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: he is lag style. he can check on the turn, but he choose to bully the final
: table bubble.
:
: s
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 13 en，make move or bluff towards straighforward player is a disaster. reading
people correctly is the first priority job, kaka.
s
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: he shouldn't play this hand this big at all, low flush, paired board,
: straight-forward opponent, good action already, big bubble time...
: before this hand, he got a very healthy stack as 5th, and had a very good
: chance to enter final table, even if he finishes as 9th, it's a big money
: jump: $591,869 to $900,670, or 300K. and also consider all the sponsorship/
: commercial deals for "Nov. 9", this 300K might only be a small piece.
: ESPN blogger said he never thought it would be Kopp who went out. Jor
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 Ooops, correction, i was looking at last year's payout structure, this year'
s should be (hehe):
1 $8,546,435
2 $5,182,601
3 $3,479,485
4 $2,502,787
5 $1,953,395
6 $1,587,133
7 $1,404,002
8 $1,300,228
9 $1,263,602
10 $896,730
11 $896,730
12 $896,730
he busted 370K + big sponsorship money + 1 good shot for higher spot, i
would say it's at least $1M shove with his baby flush.
reading
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: en，make move or bluff towards straighforward player is a disaster. reading
: people correctly is the first priority job, kaka.
:
: s
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 15 the sponsorship and brag right are definitely worth a lot. sometimes people
just have the urge to do something. guess that was the moment.
year'
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: Ooops, correction, i was looking at last year's payout structure, this year'
: s should be (hehe):
: 1 $8,546,435
: 2 $5,182,601
: 3 $3,479,485
: 4 $2,502,787
: 5 $1,953,395
: 6 $1,587,133
: 7 $1,404,002
: 8 $1,300,228
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 16 Once a life time opportunity, for most of players anyway.
This guy should put on suicide watch.
people
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: the sponsorship and brag right are definitely worth a lot. sometimes people
: just have the urge to do something. guess that was the moment.
:
: year'
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 i guess Kopp was in an online poker mindset at that moment, where raising
and shoving with such a hand when hit is more common in aggressive plays.
worst case, you lose and fire off another tourney.
but here in live (with more face to face interaction, more time to think/
play a hand, close to big bubble), busting such a golden chance is really a
big pity, which may NEVER come back in his whole life. after all, how many
big names we see in each year's top 20, 50?... and again?... in such a huge
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Once a life time opportunity, for most of players anyway.
: This guy should put on suicide watch.
:
: people
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 18 BULLy the final table bubble. He puts you into risk to bubble the final
table. Considering he is a very strong player, it is reasonable for his move.
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Whom he was bullying though? Moon had a deep stack got him covered.
: He only had like 2-3 M in the pot before he made the all-ins move.
: Considering the circumstance (3 players away from final table), this move
: doesn't make sense at all.
:
: final
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 19 He is very very good player. He definitely has one shot on that top3 prize.
year'
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: Ooops, correction, i was looking at last year's payout structure, this year'
: s should be (hehe):
: 1 $8,546,435
: 2 $5,182,601
: 3 $3,479,485
: 4 $2,502,787
: 5 $1,953,395
: 6 $1,587,133
: 7 $1,404,002
: 8 $1,300,228
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 20 With three cashes since May totaling over $260,000, including one WSOP final
table, two first place finishes in Full Tilt MTT’s worth over $150k, and a
third place finish on PokerStars for over $71k,
check his records, He apprently knows how to play final table bubble, and
final table.
and with his style, usually he will win the pot.
But must admit, his move is stupid this time.
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Whom he was bullying though? Moon had a deep stack got him covered.
: He only had like 2-3 M in the pot before he made the all-ins move.
: Considering the circumstance (3 players away from final table), this move
: doesn't make sense at all.
:
: final
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 i was very disappointed when Bertrand 'elky' Grospellier was busted earlier.
final
a
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: With three cashes since May totaling over $260,000, including one WSOP final
: table, two first place finishes in Full Tilt MTT’s worth over $150k, and a
: third place finish on PokerStars for over $71k,
: check his records, He apprently knows how to play final table bubble, and
: final table.
: and with his style, usually he will win the pot.
: But must admit, his move is stupid this time.
| k***n
发帖数: 849 | 22 I think you read way too much into just one hand. WSOP main event has become
a lottery with so many players in the field...
again
to
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 我在 card player 网站上看 WSOP 的 hand description, 其中一手牌, $40+ M pot：
: Billy Kopp Eliminated in 12th Place ($896,730)
: Billy Kopp raised to 600,000 preflop in early position and Darvin Moon
: called from the small blind. The flop came Kd 9d 2d and Moon checked. Kopp
: bet 750,000 and Moon called. The 2h on the turn prompted Moon to once again
: check. Kopp bet 2,000,000 and Moon check-raised to 6,000,000. Kopp didn’t
: take long before moving all in for 20,000,000. Moon made the call and
: exposed the Qd Jd for t
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 I think that hand is just so stupid, that guy must regret that hand in the
hotel right now.
He will remember that hand for the rest of his life, pretty sure about it.
He just loses his mind. Considering he is a strong player, he should let
that hand go, but because of some unknown reason, he makes such huge mistake.
Just like last year, one guy goes out as 14th, he makes a huge mistake
against philps, and get busted. He should remember that hand for rest of his
life. Just ridiculous mistake.
Som
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: I think you read way too much into just one hand. WSOP main event has become
: a lottery with so many players in the field...
:
: again
: to
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 24 this is the typical "destiny" for playing this small suited trash, AND,
with preflop raising action to disguise his hand... while these hands can
become an unexpected monster in some cases, in some others, they become
total disasters since he's so obsessed with his hand (therefore becomes
"selectively blind"), and doesn't give opponent's action more thoughts.
after hitting such a flop, it gets "too hard" to fold it or be careful
enough with it, because his mindset was so locked. if he took some
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: I think that hand is just so stupid, that guy must regret that hand in the
: hotel right now.
: He will remember that hand for the rest of his life, pretty sure about it.
: He just loses his mind. Considering he is a strong player, he should let
: that hand go, but because of some unknown reason, he makes such huge mistake.
: Just like last year, one guy goes out as 14th, he makes a huge mistake
: against philps, and get busted. He should remember that hand for rest of his
: life. Just ridiculous mistake.
: Som
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 25 He probably put the opponent on a flush draw and tried to force him to lay
down a big diamond. The board was already paired, so the check-raise could
mean a full house already.. on such a dangerous board, his reraise allin
would only get called by a hand that's already ahead, which is not desirable.
After considering all the cases, he should either fold, or call and try to
dodge another diamond, then see how his opponent acts - fold if facing a big
bet.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: this is the typical "destiny" for playing this small suited trash, AND,
: with preflop raising action to disguise his hand... while these hands can
: become an unexpected monster in some cases, in some others, they become
: total disasters since he's so obsessed with his hand (therefore becomes
: "selectively blind"), and doesn't give opponent's action more thoughts.
: after hitting such a flop, it gets "too hard" to fold it or be careful
: enough with it, because his mindset was so locked. if he took some
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 26 I guess he is totally blind there, can not fold such a hand. But if he
thinks through it, it should be an easy easy fold.
But it is a hand which cost him at least 400k+$ hand, or maybe 2 million+$
hand, he should regret it so hardly in hotel right now. Considering it is a
chance he will never have again in his rest of life, I think it is a hand he
will never forget.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: this is the typical "destiny" for playing this small suited trash, AND,
: with preflop raising action to disguise his hand... while these hands can
: become an unexpected monster in some cases, in some others, they become
: total disasters since he's so obsessed with his hand (therefore becomes
: "selectively blind"), and doesn't give opponent's action more thoughts.
: after hitting such a flop, it gets "too hard" to fold it or be careful
: enough with it, because his mindset was so locked. if he took some
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 27 No, it is a hand you can not smooth there. If you call, there always be a 10
million bet on the river, what will you do by that time?
so, only option is to fold or allin.
desirable.
big
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: He probably put the opponent on a flush draw and tried to force him to lay
: down a big diamond. The board was already paired, so the check-raise could
: mean a full house already.. on such a dangerous board, his reraise allin
: would only get called by a hand that's already ahead, which is not desirable.
: After considering all the cases, he should either fold, or call and try to
: dodge another diamond, then see how his opponent acts - fold if facing a big
: bet.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 Billy kopp is the guy who can play crap card in EP. He is the guy who can play any 2 cards in any position. he is aggressive and can make continuation bet. And he is capable to make value bet on the river.
He is a moron on poker table.
But he plays his baby flush too aggressively this time, otherwise he has a big chance to take down the champ in the end.
Billy Kopp is the man to beat so far on Day 8 of the 2009 WSOP Main Event.
In a recent hand Kopp bet 275,000 from early position and Antoine Sa
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 我在 card player 网站上看 WSOP 的 hand description, 其中一手牌, $40+ M pot：
: Billy Kopp Eliminated in 12th Place ($896,730)
: Billy Kopp raised to 600,000 preflop in early position and Darvin Moon
: called from the small blind. The flop came Kd 9d 2d and Moon checked. Kopp
: bet 750,000 and Moon called. The 2h on the turn prompted Moon to once again
: check. Kopp bet 2,000,000 and Moon check-raised to 6,000,000. Kopp didn’t
: take long before moving all in for 20,000,000. Moon made the call and
: exposed the Qd Jd for t
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 29 Considering he is a 23 year old young student, who has half million profit online already, and 1million profit from WSOP live games. What can he hope for?
Surely, he should regret for that hand. But if we consider he has 1.5 million
$ in the pocket when he is 23 year old, what else can we say.
Check his records, he has
750k profit on ftp in Apr, 2009
50k profit on ftp in May, 2009
80k profit on PS in Feb, 2009
he has $200k profit on PS.
he has $200k profit on FTP.
Screen Name
AbsolutePo
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 我在 card player 网站上看 WSOP 的 hand description, 其中一手牌, $40+ M pot：
: Billy Kopp Eliminated in 12th Place ($896,730)
: Billy Kopp raised to 600,000 preflop in early position and Darvin Moon
: called from the small blind. The flop came Kd 9d 2d and Moon checked. Kopp
: bet 750,000 and Moon called. The 2h on the turn prompted Moon to once again
: check. Kopp bet 2,000,000 and Moon check-raised to 6,000,000. Kopp didn’t
: take long before moving all in for 20,000,000. Moon made the call and
: exposed the Qd Jd for t
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 30 如果我处在他们的位置， 我不会玩任何牌，除非是 Pocket As or Pocket Ks. 我会
lay down 任何 showdown 牌，除非是 stone cold nuts. 而且我尽可能躲开 anyone
with a deep stack. | | | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 31 Will your strategy change when the money at stake changes? that's an
important question.
if someone just goes there by luck, he may consider a lot before making a
call or folding. but if he doesn't care much and all he wants is the
bracelet, he could act quite differently.
hand is transparent.
thought
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: 如果我处在他们的位置， 我不会玩任何牌，除非是 Pocket As or Pocket Ks. 我会
: lay down 任何 showdown 牌，除非是 stone cold nuts. 而且我尽可能躲开 anyone
: with a deep stack.
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 32 How can Saout check first at river?
play any 2 cards in any position. he is aggressive and can make continuation
bet. And he is capable to make value bet on the river.
big chance to take down the champ in the end.
bet
the
in
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: Billy kopp is the guy who can play crap card in EP. He is the guy who can play any 2 cards in any position. he is aggressive and can make continuation bet. And he is capable to make value bet on the river.
: He is a moron on poker table.
: But he plays his baby flush too aggressively this time, otherwise he has a big chance to take down the champ in the end.
: Billy Kopp is the man to beat so far on Day 8 of the 2009 WSOP Main Event.
: In a recent hand Kopp bet 275,000 from early position and Antoine Sa
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 33 What should Saout do?
Put a small bet on the river?
If Saout puts a small bet on the river, I suppose Saout bets half million on
the river, then Killy will raise to 4 million, then what will Saout do?
Have you seen the last year wsop main event, peter eastgate vs evan.
evan has aq, peter has 79s.
flop ace * 2, evan checks on the flop, Peter totally misses, but Peter fires
a continuation bet.
turn is 9, both checks.
river 2, Evan bets 1/4 of pot, Peter reraises to full pot.
Evan feels so sick, an
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: How can Saout check first at river?
:
: play any 2 cards in any position. he is aggressive and can make continuation
: bet. And he is capable to make value bet on the river.
: big chance to take down the champ in the end.
: bet
: the
: in
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 34 oh I misread that hand :)
on
fires
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: What should Saout do?
: Put a small bet on the river?
: If Saout puts a small bet on the river, I suppose Saout bets half million on
: the river, then Killy will raise to 4 million, then what will Saout do?
: Have you seen the last year wsop main event, peter eastgate vs evan.
: evan has aq, peter has 79s.
: flop ace * 2, evan checks on the flop, Peter totally misses, but Peter fires
: a continuation bet.
: turn is 9, both checks.
: river 2, Evan bets 1/4 of pot, Peter reraises to full pot.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 35 I am sure I will change the strategy when money gets so huge in the end.
That buddy who gets 2nd on wsop main event 2005 even has a note in his
pocket, he reads it out: do not involve unnecessary pots, pay attention to
the payout structure.
I guess I will do the same. Payout structure can change your game a lot.
And good players can take advantage of it, and good players can steal a lot
of pots in that situation. Sometimes, you will see chip leader will repop
2nd chip leader a lot when 3 people
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: Will your strategy change when the money at stake changes? that's an
: important question.
: if someone just goes there by luck, he may consider a lot before making a
: call or folding. but if he doesn't care much and all he wants is the
: bracelet, he could act quite differently.
:
: hand is transparent.
: thought
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