w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 1 I have long thought a change to poker would make it a better game.
Suppose poker cancels further dealing cards after show down,the winner will
be decided by the probability of each player under current situation,
1.AA vs KK preflop show down, AA win, no further dealing cards;
2.22 vs Ak preflop show down,22 wins.
3.JsTs vs AsKc, flop 9s8sAd,show down(JsTs allin):JsTs wins, no further
dealing cards.
The benefit of this change:
1. There will be no bad beats.
2.Greatly reduce the level of chance a | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 2 完全不敢苟同, poker就是有一定的随机性才好玩,你这样把真正的精华都去掉了谁还玩
,
bad beats actually are the best in this game
will
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I have long thought a change to poker would make it a better game.
: Suppose poker cancels further dealing cards after show down,the winner will
: be decided by the probability of each player under current situation,
: 1.AA vs KK preflop show down, AA win, no further dealing cards;
: 2.22 vs Ak preflop show down,22 wins.
: 3.JsTs vs AsKc, flop 9s8sAd,show down(JsTs allin):JsTs wins, no further
: dealing cards.
: The benefit of this change:
: 1. There will be no bad beats.
: 2.Greatly reduce the level of chance a
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 3 精华并不是badbeats.
精华是通过自己和对手的action,探索对手牌力,从而以弱牌击败强牌,或以强牌谋取最大收益. | D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 4 then computer will be poker champion!
will
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I have long thought a change to poker would make it a better game.
: Suppose poker cancels further dealing cards after show down,the winner will
: be decided by the probability of each player under current situation,
: 1.AA vs KK preflop show down, AA win, no further dealing cards;
: 2.22 vs Ak preflop show down,22 wins.
: 3.JsTs vs AsKc, flop 9s8sAd,show down(JsTs allin):JsTs wins, no further
: dealing cards.
: The benefit of this change:
: 1. There will be no bad beats.
: 2.Greatly reduce the level of chance a
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 5 that's just what you thought, u can make a poker game like that, and play
with yourself, good luck
最大收益.
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 精华并不是badbeats.
: 精华是通过自己和对手的action,探索对手牌力,从而以弱牌击败强牌,或以强牌谋取最大收益.
| q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 6 但是如果没有随机性的话，holdem就失去了它对大众的吸引力。
最大收益.
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 精华并不是badbeats.
: 精华是通过自己和对手的action,探索对手牌力,从而以弱牌击败强牌,或以强牌谋取最大收益.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 7 Please don't take that junk language to this board.
Thanks.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: that's just what you thought, u can make a poker game like that, and play
: with yourself, good luck
:
: 最大收益.
| q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 8 大家都淡定淡定，不过是个游戏，不是生死大事。呵呵
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: Please don't take that junk language to this board.
: Thanks.
| d**x
发帖数: 1934 | 9 这个是娱乐大众还是serious？
will
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I have long thought a change to poker would make it a better game.
: Suppose poker cancels further dealing cards after show down,the winner will
: be decided by the probability of each player under current situation,
: 1.AA vs KK preflop show down, AA win, no further dealing cards;
: 2.22 vs Ak preflop show down,22 wins.
: 3.JsTs vs AsKc, flop 9s8sAd,show down(JsTs allin):JsTs wins, no further
: dealing cards.
: The benefit of this change:
: 1. There will be no bad beats.
: 2.Greatly reduce the level of chance a
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 10 terrible terrible idea.
will
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I have long thought a change to poker would make it a better game.
: Suppose poker cancels further dealing cards after show down,the winner will
: be decided by the probability of each player under current situation,
: 1.AA vs KK preflop show down, AA win, no further dealing cards;
: 2.22 vs Ak preflop show down,22 wins.
: 3.JsTs vs AsKc, flop 9s8sAd,show down(JsTs allin):JsTs wins, no further
: dealing cards.
: The benefit of this change:
: 1. There will be no bad beats.
: 2.Greatly reduce the level of chance a
| | | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 11 It is close to saying nothing.
I posted this idea on 2+2 and people discussed it a lot.
It was a lot of better than here, I mean at least people there can discuss
pros and cons of this idea.The major shortcoming is that fishes don't like
to play this game.
But my feel is neither place people really understand it.
I don't mean to replace texas hold'em with this new poker, they both can
exist.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: terrible terrible idea.
:
: will
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 12 if you let both games exist, the only result is people like you, who regard
themselves as game theory expert, poker guru and equity analysis genius will
play the new form of poker. there will be little to none money playing in
that game. if that's what you want, go ahead.
why do you think there is no big money playing in games like chess or bridge
? its because the skill level decides the results. while in poker, the skil
l factor is weaken by the luck factor in SHORT TERM. a fish could go on
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: It is close to saying nothing.
: I posted this idea on 2+2 and people discussed it a lot.
: It was a lot of better than here, I mean at least people there can discuss
: pros and cons of this idea.The major shortcoming is that fishes don't like
: to play this game.
: But my feel is neither place people really understand it.
: I don't mean to replace texas hold'em with this new poker, they both can
: exist.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 13 "people like you, who regard themselves as game theory expert, poker guru
and equity analysis genius"
你扯上这些什么意思?你要讨论这个idea还是要发泻对我个人的不满?
why do you think there is no big money playing in games like chess or bridge
? its because the skill level decides the results. while in poker, the skil
l factor is weaken by the luck factor in SHORT TERM. a fish could go on a ho
t streak, giving out bad beats after bad beats to good players and make a to
n of money off them. but as long as he stays in the game,
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: if you let both games exist, the only result is people like you, who regard
: themselves as game theory expert, poker guru and equity analysis genius will
: play the new form of poker. there will be little to none money playing in
: that game. if that's what you want, go ahead.
: why do you think there is no big money playing in games like chess or bridge
: ? its because the skill level decides the results. while in poker, the skil
: l factor is weaken by the luck factor in SHORT TERM. a fish could go on
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 这个讨论有意思，各抒己见嘛，正反方同学各自从自己角度畅所欲言，往建设性方向，
注意口气哈，呵呵。
bridge
skil
ho
to
e
hate
po
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: "people like you, who regard themselves as game theory expert, poker guru
: and equity analysis genius"
: 你扯上这些什么意思?你要讨论这个idea还是要发泻对我个人的不满?
: why do you think there is no big money playing in games like chess or bridge
: ? its because the skill level decides the results. while in poker, the skil
: l factor is weaken by the luck factor in SHORT TERM. a fish could go on a ho
: t streak, giving out bad beats after bad beats to good players and make a to
: n of money off them. but as long as he stays in the game,
| k******t
发帖数: 257 | 15 Easy man. I don't think anybody here need personel attack others here, who
knows
who.
have to say your idea is terrible, poker is draw game you do this and people
will play like turtle waitting for AA. Also your idea make open end flush
draw
all in winner against overpair without futher dealing. How absurd is this?
Guess most games should not exist by your rule. Most all ins are top set
against
big wrap draws on omaha.
bridge
skil
ho
to
e
hate
po
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: "people like you, who regard themselves as game theory expert, poker guru
: and equity analysis genius"
: 你扯上这些什么意思?你要讨论这个idea还是要发泻对我个人的不满?
: why do you think there is no big money playing in games like chess or bridge
: ? its because the skill level decides the results. while in poker, the skil
: l factor is weaken by the luck factor in SHORT TERM. a fish could go on a ho
: t streak, giving out bad beats after bad beats to good players and make a to
: n of money off them. but as long as he stays in the game,
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 这个和俺的一个想法有一定类似处。
扑克是什么？本质上，俺认为是个2张牌(pre-flop)，5张牌(flop)，6张牌(turn)，7张
牌(river)4阶段的游戏(呵呵，废话，地球人都知道)。
而牌手呢，则根据让自己利益最大，损失最小的基本原则“试图”控制这到底是几张牌
的游戏。比如AA，按两张牌的游戏玩，这是天牌nuts，all-in？多数情况下不一定，因
为这虽然绝大多数情况下满足了损失最小的原则，可是也违背了利益最大的原则。所以
呢，牌手认为玩5张牌游戏的风险还是可是承受的...以此类推，multi-way到river肯定
不是AA愿意看到的结果，所以AA会在flop或者turn上采取手段，“提前”结束游戏或者
减少不安定因素(对手人数)。而正是因为有了可以用筹码数量来试图控制游戏进程的可
能(同时也给了落后者后来居上的概率)，才使得NL holdem魅力无穷，扑克里的卡迪拉
克。
will
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I have long thought a change to poker would make it a better game.
: Suppose poker cancels further dealing cards after show down,the winner will
: be decided by the probability of each player under current situation,
: 1.AA vs KK preflop show down, AA win, no further dealing cards;
: 2.22 vs Ak preflop show down,22 wins.
: 3.JsTs vs AsKc, flop 9s8sAd,show down(JsTs allin):JsTs wins, no further
: dealing cards.
: The benefit of this change:
: 1. There will be no bad beats.
: 2.Greatly reduce the level of chance a
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 17 不喜欢赌你去玩围棋象棋好了, 何苦非要赖在poker上不走, 要不你玩算24点也行呀,呵呵
bridge
skil
ho
to
e
hate
po
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: "people like you, who regard themselves as game theory expert, poker guru
: and equity analysis genius"
: 你扯上这些什么意思?你要讨论这个idea还是要发泻对我个人的不满?
: why do you think there is no big money playing in games like chess or bridge
: ? its because the skill level decides the results. while in poker, the skil
: l factor is weaken by the luck factor in SHORT TERM. a fish could go on a ho
: t streak, giving out bad beats after bad beats to good players and make a to
: n of money off them. but as long as he stays in the game,
| m******1
发帖数: 715 | 18 This is hard to implement for casino games. As you know, the dealers are
not that smart on math. Many race situations will cause confusions and
chaos. | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 19 i said bad beat is one of the things that kept the fish in the game. dishing
out bad beats is something they like to do. of course no one likes to being
at the receiving end of bad beats. my point is, if you can not handle bad b
eat correctly, you will not become a good player. poker is drawing game, now
you want to take out the drawing part. i found the idea terrible, simple as
that.
bridge
skil
ho
to
e
hate
po
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: "people like you, who regard themselves as game theory expert, poker guru
: and equity analysis genius"
: 你扯上这些什么意思?你要讨论这个idea还是要发泻对我个人的不满?
: why do you think there is no big money playing in games like chess or bridge
: ? its because the skill level decides the results. while in poker, the skil
: l factor is weaken by the luck factor in SHORT TERM. a fish could go on a ho
: t streak, giving out bad beats after bad beats to good players and make a to
: n of money off them. but as long as he stays in the game,
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 20 其实可以按最后headsup的原始概率来分pot. 那样的话好手的fluctuation会小
不少。不过很多人也不介意很大的fluctuation.
我玩2 cent一分的桥牌，两天都能输出去500块.
dishing
being
b
now
as
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: i said bad beat is one of the things that kept the fish in the game. dishing
: out bad beats is something they like to do. of course no one likes to being
: at the receiving end of bad beats. my point is, if you can not handle bad b
: eat correctly, you will not become a good player. poker is drawing game, now
: you want to take out the drawing part. i found the idea terrible, simple as
: that.
:
: bridge
: skil
: ho
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