w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 1 I was humiliated.
I had two chances to kill the guy, and finally was killed by this guy.
I had AJo,no raise preflop, flop Q,J,2, two s.All check on flop,I was next
to button, and bet 3BB,all called.Turn was A and I bet 8BB, 1 called.The
river was 4s, That guy allin.I thought he didn't bet or raise, so he should
have no top pair and must be waiting for flush draw. I folded and he show
his hand was Q and something.Damn good bluffing.
The next hand,the guy was at button.I got pocket KK,The guy rai | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 honestly, you bluffed yourself ... you're kind of weak (sometimes i'm too)
and worry too much le, hehe.
should
should
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I was humiliated.
: I had two chances to kill the guy, and finally was killed by this guy.
: I had AJo,no raise preflop, flop Q,J,2, two s.All check on flop,I was next
: to button, and bet 3BB,all called.Turn was A and I bet 8BB, 1 called.The
: river was 4s, That guy allin.I thought he didn't bet or raise, so he should
: have no top pair and must be waiting for flush draw. I folded and he show
: his hand was Q and something.Damn good bluffing.
: The next hand,the guy was at button.I got pocket KK,The guy rai
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 3 That KK vs 10,10, when he bet on flop, I felt he was a pair lower than mine,
although a small chance AA.
What I should do, is to reraise him, if he call, then I could know he was
not AA( AA would reraise me back).He had no way but only to call with 10,10.
So that A on turn would not scare me.
Now I called and when A came out on turn, I had to act first and check and see, and he was at button and he was now sure I was not A ( since I didn't bet)but a pair.
Then he took advantage of it.
这个也说明一个好的牌 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 俺觉得哈，你是以你的逻辑思维/打法去觉得你的对手应该怎样，实际上有点象你自己在
同时玩两手牌，自己和自己打......
比如，他即使是AA，也不一定非得再re-raise啊？(而换你，你可能会这么做)。而他即
使真再re-raise了，也不一定就是AA(虽然可能性较大)啊？也许他觉得你不够强呢？
所以，你实际上是经常和一个你害怕的自己的影子在对垒，不知道对不对？
mine,
10.
see, and he was at button and he was now sure I was not A ( since I didn't
bet)but a pair.
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: That KK vs 10,10, when he bet on flop, I felt he was a pair lower than mine,
: although a small chance AA.
: What I should do, is to reraise him, if he call, then I could know he was
: not AA( AA would reraise me back).He had no way but only to call with 10,10.
: So that A on turn would not scare me.
: Now I called and when A came out on turn, I had to act first and check and see, and he was at button and he was now sure I was not A ( since I didn't bet)but a pair.
: Then he took advantage of it.
: 这个也说明一个好的牌
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 5 I think you didn't understand me.
There is no fear, only probability in my mind.
Or I can put this way, I don't fear the game, opponents, but only if I could not interpret probability correctly. | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 6 通常preflop raise的,不是A带个大kicker(J,Q,K)就是一对.
如果flop出来个A,bet的,就是前者.出来小牌bet的,就是一对.像那个10,10 bet,就是要
赶走A带个大kicker,免得他在turn,river中对.他希望call的人就是中flop里那些小对
的.那些就成他宰的对象.但是如果有人call他,基本上也就是一对的了.如果敢reraise
他,那么基本上就是比他大.因为他的bet就已经表明他是比flop里那些小对大,人家敢
reraise他,至少是QQ以上了.所以说双方都知道对方是对,谁大谁小心里也有个大概.A带
个大kicker那种就不会留了(中对概率太小,)还留下的就是donkey.我的问题是认识没有
人家坚定.让人家把我打的change mind了. | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 7 I did realize I was too weak for cash game.
Played SNG all the way and was used to that style.
But that is not a problem as I only play cash game for two weeks.I can
adjust as I play more. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 one can get AA in about every 220 hands, hehe.
could not interpret probability correctly.
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I did realize I was too weak for cash game.
: Played SNG all the way and was used to that style.
: But that is not a problem as I only play cash game for two weeks.I can
: adjust as I play more.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 9 How many times AA you can see in one day?
By your standard an online 6 people table can see AA every 20 minutes. A 10 people table can see AA every 12 minutes.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: one can get AA in about every 220 hands, hehe.
:
: could not interpret probability correctly.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 10 I just login ultimatebet, among all open tables, the highest hands playing
per hour is 240(6 people table), the lowest is 64(10 people table). | | | I**n
发帖数: 839 | 11 AA感觉是挺常见的 live game 够慢的了 一晚上十几次AA是有的 我完了一天 自己有四
次 当然昨天偏多 平常也只是略少而已
10 people table can see AA every 12 minutes.
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: How many times AA you can see in one day?
: By your standard an online 6 people table can see AA every 20 minutes. A 10 people table can see AA every 12 minutes.
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 12 you need to move down to a limit where you can go all-in comfortably with a
draw.
should
should
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I was humiliated.
: I had two chances to kill the guy, and finally was killed by this guy.
: I had AJo,no raise preflop, flop Q,J,2, two s.All check on flop,I was next
: to button, and bet 3BB,all called.Turn was A and I bet 8BB, 1 called.The
: river was 4s, That guy allin.I thought he didn't bet or raise, so he should
: have no top pair and must be waiting for flush draw. I folded and he show
: his hand was Q and something.Damn good bluffing.
: The next hand,the guy was at button.I got pocket KK,The guy rai
| I**n
发帖数: 839 | 13 By the way my AA holds up only twice. Got cracked 2 out of 4, so like 50%.
当然样本太小 不说明问题
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: AA感觉是挺常见的 live game 够慢的了 一晚上十几次AA是有的 我完了一天 自己有四
: 次 当然昨天偏多 平常也只是略少而已
:
: 10 people table can see AA every 12 minutes.
| I**n
发帖数: 839 | 14 strongly agree.
看了LZ别的帖子 是有这种感觉
己在
t
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 俺觉得哈，你是以你的逻辑思维/打法去觉得你的对手应该怎样，实际上有点象你自己在
: 同时玩两手牌，自己和自己打......
: 比如，他即使是AA，也不一定非得再re-raise啊？(而换你，你可能会这么做)。而他即
: 使真再re-raise了，也不一定就是AA(虽然可能性较大)啊？也许他觉得你不够强呢？
: 所以，你实际上是经常和一个你害怕的自己的影子在对垒，不知道对不对？
:
: mine,
: 10.
: see, and he was at button and he was now sure I was not A ( since I didn't
: bet)but a pair.
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 15 第一手在turn上没有allin就会出这种问题，不过allin也不见得是最佳play，万一那人
straight。
KK那手在flop还是应该allin或者raise他。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: honestly, you bluffed yourself ... you're kind of weak (sometimes i'm too)
: and worry too much le, hehe.
:
: should
: should
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 16 所以不能这么predictable.首要任务是认清对方是这种循规蹈矩的，还是wavlets那样的
reraise
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 通常preflop raise的,不是A带个大kicker(J,Q,K)就是一对.
: 如果flop出来个A,bet的,就是前者.出来小牌bet的,就是一对.像那个10,10 bet,就是要
: 赶走A带个大kicker,免得他在turn,river中对.他希望call的人就是中flop里那些小对
: 的.那些就成他宰的对象.但是如果有人call他,基本上也就是一对的了.如果敢reraise
: 他,那么基本上就是比他大.因为他的bet就已经表明他是比flop里那些小对大,人家敢
: reraise他,至少是QQ以上了.所以说双方都知道对方是对,谁大谁小心里也有个大概.A带
: 个大kicker那种就不会留了(中对概率太小,)还留下的就是donkey.我的问题是认识没有
: 人家坚定.让人家把我打的change mind了.
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 17 这有点奇怪。按理说tournament应该更aggressive才对，cash game保守一点应该是正
确的策略。但是，一个桌子上保守得多了，正确的策略反而是aggressive了。所以也很
难讲。 | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 18 Tournament 有servive的考虑.
比如你60% odds,allin,cash game10次赢六次还有赚.
Tournament的话你就很可能两次就出局了.
两家allin,必有一个淘汰.就算你牌好,也未必不会中bad beat.所以是能不拼,尽量不拼
,避免对抗.
正因为一直打那个,缺少对抗训练,缺少感觉. | p*t
发帖数: 275 | 19 你是单桌tournament？我说的aggressive不是allin这种，而是raise比例。
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: Tournament 有servive的考虑.
: 比如你60% odds,allin,cash game10次赢六次还有赚.
: Tournament的话你就很可能两次就出局了.
: 两家allin,必有一个淘汰.就算你牌好,也未必不会中bad beat.所以是能不拼,尽量不拼
: ,避免对抗.
: 正因为一直打那个,缺少对抗训练,缺少感觉.
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 20 WSOP等任何大型tournament简直就是太aggressive了。不过Single table的也许大大不
同。
tournament里，有些chip leader开始保守，有些变本加厉。在快到bubble时，有些能
忍就忍，有些利用这个时候开始狂捞，是吧？ | | | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 21 SNG10人单桌.
allin 或raise,道理是一样的,只是量不同而已.
如果你在前期chip损失太多,到后来就熬不下去,只有拼命了.
相反就算你前期chip翻了一倍,到剩5人时,也不过就是平均水平.也不能保证进钱圈.而
你为这个冒的风险,可能3牌中只有一牌成功,另两牌就早早出局.
而且开始时,大家都是拼命的打法,一手牌3个同时allin是经常见的.
到剩5人时,大家都谨慎了.这时你allin,别人不一定愿意跟.
总的来说,打SNG要能忍.
我自从打cash game后,回去打SNG,很难赢了.忍不住了,拿到牌就想上,控制不住自己.
【在 p*t 的大作中提到】
: 你是单桌tournament？我说的aggressive不是allin这种，而是raise比例。
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 22 嗯。开始就allin不是好的策略，不明白怎么总有人这么干。如果别人fold了，也就赢
个blinds而已，即使能double up，就像你说的，也不一定能有多大价值。到了中段，
blinds涨到有点难受但还没让人allin的地步时，是不是应该开始aggressive？然后到
钱圈附近再谨慎。。
你玩online的吧？10人单桌会不会有作弊嫌疑？那种一边一个的min raise。。。
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: SNG10人单桌.
: allin 或raise,道理是一样的,只是量不同而已.
: 如果你在前期chip损失太多,到后来就熬不下去,只有拼命了.
: 相反就算你前期chip翻了一倍,到剩5人时,也不过就是平均水平.也不能保证进钱圈.而
: 你为这个冒的风险,可能3牌中只有一牌成功,另两牌就早早出局.
: 而且开始时,大家都是拼命的打法,一手牌3个同时allin是经常见的.
: 到剩5人时,大家都谨慎了.这时你allin,别人不一定愿意跟.
: 总的来说,打SNG要能忍.
: 我自从打cash game后,回去打SNG,很难赢了.忍不住了,拿到牌就想上,控制不住自己.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 23 usually when the blinds are about 10% of the stack, it's the golden time
of stealing. Few would call your raises, and if you meet reraise, you can
fold. Usually you can accumulate a pretty nice stack and will be
in a good position in crap shooting stage when 3-4 left...Also, sng
rewards very conservative bubble plays, cause if you win, the equity often
goes to the small stacks more...
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: SNG10人单桌.
: allin 或raise,道理是一样的,只是量不同而已.
: 如果你在前期chip损失太多,到后来就熬不下去,只有拼命了.
: 相反就算你前期chip翻了一倍,到剩5人时,也不过就是平均水平.也不能保证进钱圈.而
: 你为这个冒的风险,可能3牌中只有一牌成功,另两牌就早早出局.
: 而且开始时,大家都是拼命的打法,一手牌3个同时allin是经常见的.
: 到剩5人时,大家都谨慎了.这时你allin,别人不一定愿意跟.
: 总的来说,打SNG要能忍.
: 我自从打cash game后,回去打SNG,很难赢了.忍不住了,拿到牌就想上,控制不住自己.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 24 多台tournament(MTT)我不太会打.不过应该比SNG要aggressive.SNG你能等到别人被淘
汰.MTT这样永远也等不到.
我觉的MTT越到后来要拼的越凶.因为奖金是倒金字塔型.拿10次第10,还不如拿一次第一
多.而且比如你现在是第10,allin一次成功,名次可能就上到第5了. | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 25 要做弊就是pokerroom,个人很难作.软件查的很严.两人同台次数稍多就会被软件发现.
查你们两人的牌谱,看有没有嫌疑.如果他门认为是,两人的钱都没收,account close.
做弊不划算.
【在 p*t 的大作中提到】
: 嗯。开始就allin不是好的策略，不明白怎么总有人这么干。如果别人fold了，也就赢
: 个blinds而已，即使能double up，就像你说的，也不一定能有多大价值。到了中段，
: blinds涨到有点难受但还没让人allin的地步时，是不是应该开始aggressive？然后到
: 钱圈附近再谨慎。。
: 你玩online的吧？10人单桌会不会有作弊嫌疑？那种一边一个的min raise。。。
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 26 最后一句是什么意思？
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: usually when the blinds are about 10% of the stack, it's the golden time
: of stealing. Few would call your raises, and if you meet reraise, you can
: fold. Usually you can accumulate a pretty nice stack and will be
: in a good position in crap shooting stage when 3-4 left...Also, sng
: rewards very conservative bubble plays, cause if you win, the equity often
: goes to the small stacks more...
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