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发帖数: 3991 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: timcook (gayceo), 信区: Military
标 题: oil直奔$40去了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Nov 30 20:01:58 2014, 美东)
Oil at $40 Possible as Market Transforms Caracas to Iran
Bloomberg By Gregory Viscusi, Tara Patel and Simon Kennedy
2 hours ago
Oil's decline is proving to be the worst since the collapse of the financial
system in 2008 and threatening to have the same global impact of falling
prices three decades ago that led to the Mexican debt crisis and the end of
the Soviet Union.
Russia, the world's largest producer, can no longer rely on the same oil
revenues to rescue an economy suffering from European and U.S. sanctions.
Iran, also reeling from similar sanctions, will need to reduce subsidies
that have partly insulated its growing population. Nigeria, fighting an
Islamic insurgency, and Venezuela, crippled by failing political and
economic policies, also rank among the biggest losers from the decision by
the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries last week to let the force
of the market determine what some experts say will be the first free-fall
in decades.
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"This is a big shock in Caracas, it's a shock in Tehran, it's a shock in
Abuja," Daniel Yergin, vice chairman of Englewood, Colorado-based consultant
IHS Inc. and author of a Pulitzer Prize-winning history of oil, told
Bloomberg Radio. "There's a change in psychology. There's going to be a
higher degree of uncertainty."
A world already unsettled by Russian-inspired insurrection in Ukraine to the
onslaught of Islamic State in the Middle East is about be roiled further as
crude prices plunge. Global energy markets have been upended by an
unprecedented North American oil boom brought on by hydraulic fracturing,
the process of blasting shale rocks to release oil and gas.
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Few expected the extent or speed of the U.S. oil resurgence. As wildcatters
unlocked new energy supplies, some oil exporters abroad failed to invest in
diversifying their economies. Coddled by years of $100 crude, governments
instead spent that windfall subsidizing everything from 5 cents-per-gallon
gasoline to cheap housing that kept a growing population of underemployed
citizens content.
Those handouts are now at risk.
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"If the governments aren't able to spend to keep the kids off the streets
they will go back to the streets, and we could start to see political
disruption and upheaval," said Paul Stevens, distinguished fellow for energy
, environment and resources at Chatham House in London, a U.K. policy group.
"The majority of members of OPEC need well over $100 a barrel to balance
their budgets. If they start cutting expenditure, this is likely to cause
problems."
Costs as Benchmark
Oil has dropped 37 percent this year and, in theory, production can continue
to flow until prices fall below the day-to-day costs at existing wells.
Stevens said some U.S. shale producers may break even at $40 a barrel or
less. The International Energy Agency estimates most drilling in the Bakken
formation -- the shale producers that OPEC seeks to drive out of business --
return cash at $42 a barrel.
"Right now we're seeing a price shock coming out of the meeting and it will
be a couple of weeks until we see where the price really falls," said Yergin
. Officials "have to figure out where the new price range is, and that's the
drama that's going to play out in the weeks ahead."
Brent crude finished last week around $70, and New York oil near $66. Brent
is now at its lowest since the financial crisis -- when it bottomed around $
36.
Not All Suffer
To be sure, not all oil producers are suffering. The International Monetary
Fund in October assessed the oil price different governments needed to
balance their budgets. At one end were Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab
Emirates, which can break even with oil at about $70 a barrel. At the other
extreme: Iran needs $136, and Venezuela and Nigeria $120. Russia can manage
at $101 a barrel, the IMF said.
"Saudi Arabia, U.A.E. and Qatar can live with relatively lower oil prices
for a while, but this isn't the case for Iran, Iraq, Nigeria, Venezuela,
Algeria and Angola," said Marie-Claire Aoun, director of the energy center
at the French Institute for International Relations in Paris. "Strong
demographic pressure is feeding their energy and budgetary requirements. The
price of crude is paramount for their economies because they have failed to
diversify."
Brent crude is poised for the biggest annual decline since 2008 after OPEC
last week rejected calls for production cuts that would address a global
glut.
Like this year's decline, oil's crash in the 1980s was brought on by a Saudi
-led decision to defend its market share, sending crude to about $12 a
barrel.
Russia Vulnerable
"Russia in particular seems vulnerable," said Allan von Mehren, chief
analyst at Danske Banke A/S in Copenhagen. "A big decline in the oil price
in 1997-98 was one factor causing pressure that eventually led to Russian
default in August 1998."
VTB Group, Russia's second-largest bank, OAO Gazprombank, its third-largest
lender, and Russian Agricultural Bank are already seeking government aid to
replenish capital after sanctions cut them off from international financial
markets. Now with sputtering economic growth, they also face a rise in bad
loans.
Oil and gas provide 68 percent of Russia's exports and 50 percent of its
federal budget. Russia has already lost almost $90 billion of its currency
reserves this year, equal to 4.5 percent of its economy, as it tried to
prevent the ruble from tumbling after Western countries imposed sanctions to
punish Russian meddling in Ukraine. The ruble is down 31 percent against
the dollar since June.
This Will Pass
While the country's economy minister and some oil executives have warned of
tough times ahead, President Vladimir Putin is sanguine, suggesting falling
oil won't force him to meet Western demands that he curb his country's
interference in Ukraine.
"Winter is coming and I am sure the market will come into balance again in
the first quarter or toward the middle of next year," he said Nov. 28 in
Sochi.
Even before the price tumble, Iran's oil exports were already crumbling
because of sanctions imposed over its nuclear program. Production is at a 20
-year low, exports have fallen by half since early 2012 to 1 million barrels
a day, and the rial has plummeted 80 percent on the black market, says the
IMF.
Lower oil may increase the pain on Iran's population, though it may be
insufficient to push its leaders to accept an end to the nuclear program,
which they insist is peaceful.
‘Already Losing'
"The oil price decline is not a game changer for Iran," said Suzanne Maloney
, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based research
organization, who specializes on Iran. "The Iranians were already losing so
many billions of dollars because of the sanctions that the oil price decline
is just icing on the cake."
While oil's decline wrenches oil-rich nations that squandered the profits
from recent high prices, the world economy overall may benefit. The
Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development estimates a $20 drop
in price adds 0.4 percentage point to growth of its members after two years.
By knocking down inflation by 0.5 point over the same period, cheaper oil
could also persuade central banks to either keep interest rates low or even
add stimulus.
Energy accounts for 10 percent to 12 percent of consumer spending in
European countries such as France and Germany, HSBC Holdings Plc said.
Nigerian Woes
As developed oil-importing nations benefit, some of the world's poorest
suffer. Nigeria's authorities, which rely on oil for 75 percent of
government revenue, have tightened monetary policy, devalued the naira and
plan to cut public spending by 6 percent next year. Oil and gas account for
35 percent of Nigeria's economic output and 90 percent of its exports,
according to OPEC.
"The current drop in oil prices poses stark challenges for Nigeria's
external and fiscal accounts and puts heavy pressure on the exchange rate,"
Oliver Masetti, an economist at Deutsche Bank AG, said in a report this
month. "If oil prices remain at their current lows, Nigeria will face tough
choices."
Even before oil's rout, Venezuela was teetering.
The nation is running a budget deficit of 16 percent of gross domestic
product, partly because much of its declining oil production is sold
domestically at subsidized prices. Oil is 95 percent of exports and 25
percent of GDP, OPEC says.
"Venezuela already qualifies for fiscal chaos," Yergin said.
Venezuelan Rioting
The country was paralyzed by deadly riots earlier this year after police
repressed protests about spiraling inflation, shortages of consumer goods
and worsening crime.
"The dire state of the economy is likely to trigger renewed social unrest,
while it seems that the government is running out of hard currency," Capital
Economics, a London research firm, wrote in a Nov. 28 report.
Declining oil may force the government to take steps to avoid a default
including devaluing the currency, cutting imports, raising domestic energy
prices and cutting subsidies shipments to poorer countries in the region,
according to Francisco Rodriguez, an economist at Bank of America Merrill
Lynch.
"Though all these entail difficult choices, default is not an appealing
alternative," he said. "Were Venezuela to default, bondholders would almost
surely move to attach the country's refineries and oil shipments abroad."
China Bailout?
In an address on state television Nov. 28, President Nicolas Maduro said
Venezuela would maintain social spending while pledging to form a commission
to identify unnecessary spending to cut. He also said he was sending the
economy minister to China to discuss development projects.
Mexico shows how an oil nation can build new industries and avoid relying on
one commodity. Falling crude demand and prices in the early 1980s helped
send the nation into a debt crisis.
Oil's share of Mexico's exports fell to 13 percent in 2013 from 38 percent
in 1990, even as total exports more than quadrupled. Electronics and cars
now account for a greater share of the country's shipments. Though oil still
accounts for 32 percent of government revenue, the Mexican government has
based its 2015 budget on an average price of $79 a barrel. | n***y
发帖数: 15001 | | p*********s
发帖数: 1952 | 3 不可能
financial
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【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: timcook (gayceo), 信区: Military
: 标 题: oil直奔$40去了
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Nov 30 20:01:58 2014, 美东)
: Oil at $40 Possible as Market Transforms Caracas to Iran
: Bloomberg By Gregory Viscusi, Tara Patel and Simon Kennedy
: 2 hours ago
: Oil's decline is proving to be the worst since the collapse of the financial
: system in 2008 and threatening to have the same global impact of falling
: prices three decades ago that led to the Mexican debt crisis and the end of
| K********y
发帖数: 5068 | 4 怎么不可能??
奔５０去，是一定的，哈哈。。。。
【在 p*********s 的大作中提到】
: 不可能
:
: financial
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| d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 5 我预言过无数次了，先4块再400，米犹能炒都被regulate，就剩大宗商品还能吸最后一
管血了
financial
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【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: timcook (gayceo), 信区: Military
: 标 题: oil直奔$40去了
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Nov 30 20:01:58 2014, 美东)
: Oil at $40 Possible as Market Transforms Caracas to Iran
: Bloomberg By Gregory Viscusi, Tara Patel and Simon Kennedy
: 2 hours ago
: Oil's decline is proving to be the worst since the collapse of the financial
: system in 2008 and threatening to have the same global impact of falling
: prices three decades ago that led to the Mexican debt crisis and the end of
| m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 6 鹅毛已经被沙龙巴斯说服 决心将计就计压死页岩了 有他俩顶着 OPEC肯定一起不减产了
油工交个底 frac真的50一桶？还是政府补贴出来的？老汉倒是愿意相信政府 可是沙俄
叫板这么猖狂 是不是又有鼹鼠出卖国家机密
【在 p*********s 的大作中提到】
: 不可能
:
: financial
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
| d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 7 野鸡班子可能20一桶，五大很多要150一桶
产了
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: 鹅毛已经被沙龙巴斯说服 决心将计就计压死页岩了 有他俩顶着 OPEC肯定一起不减产了
: 油工交个底 frac真的50一桶？还是政府补贴出来的？老汉倒是愿意相信政府 可是沙俄
: 叫板这么猖狂 是不是又有鼹鼠出卖国家机密
| p*********s
发帖数: 1952 | 8 本来还以为是打长毛子，结果发现其实是被人打，看谁打的过谁吧。
产了
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【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: 鹅毛已经被沙龙巴斯说服 决心将计就计压死页岩了 有他俩顶着 OPEC肯定一起不减产了
: 油工交个底 frac真的50一桶？还是政府补贴出来的？老汉倒是愿意相信政府 可是沙俄
: 叫板这么猖狂 是不是又有鼹鼠出卖国家机密
| p*********s
发帖数: 1952 | 9 不可能吧,150的话，坚持个一年半载的都的黄了吧，有英文出处吗？做空岂不白送钱啊？
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【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 野鸡班子可能20一桶，五大很多要150一桶
:
: 产了
| m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 10 还有个长期短期的问题嘛 长期要稳定在150,那就非暂时去一趟20。
这一波要不把所有的替代能源全抽一遍，抽得50年没有人敢再投钱，那以后七八十就是
常态了。老汉虽然对frac能到50将信将疑，但在100一下还是被大家说服了，政府再拿
tax dollar补贴一点，不就七八十了吗？所以，全世界反页岩者联合起来！不管是在美
国的、中东的还是鹅毛的，50年的幸福就看这一锤子买卖了！
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 野鸡班子可能20一桶，五大很多要150一桶
:
: 产了
| | | c****a
发帖数: 3173 | | p*********s
发帖数: 1952 | 12 你家开加油站的？
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【在 c****a 的大作中提到】
: 我最关心的就是我们能做这个商品现货么？
| c****a
发帖数: 3173 | 13 国内就有农产品现货交易啊。美国这么发达应该有这个品种的现货交易？难道没有？ | p*********s
发帖数: 1952 | 14 你是说国内的农贸市场么？
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 c****a 的大作中提到】
: 国内就有农产品现货交易啊。美国这么发达应该有这个品种的现货交易？难道没有？
| c****a
发帖数: 3173 | 15 不是啊。我就在做啊，可以T+0.做中长线都行，只要在交割日前全部清算掉就行了。只
要看准一个品种看空或看多，就发财了。不过这个是后话。看个人投资理念了。有些喜
欢激进有人喜欢保守操作 | B***o
发帖数: 369 | 16
google contango
【在 c****a 的大作中提到】
: 国内就有农产品现货交易啊。美国这么发达应该有这个品种的现货交易？难道没有？
| p*********s
发帖数: 1952 | 17 油都敢做，大牛啊，1000x啊。不过人问的是现货，估计只能开加油站了
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 c****a 的大作中提到】
: 不是啊。我就在做啊，可以T+0.做中长线都行，只要在交割日前全部清算掉就行了。只
: 要看准一个品种看空或看多，就发财了。不过这个是后话。看个人投资理念了。有些喜
: 欢激进有人喜欢保守操作
| H********t
发帖数: 81 | 18 期货代码
/cl
好几个broker都可以做吧
越是有人想看到30，40的，就不会去那里。。 | a*****e
发帖数: 2503 | 19 Oil may stabilize around $60/barrel, WSJ reports, citing unidentified people
familiar.
Suggests Saudis won’t push for supply cuts in near-term, even if oil prices
fall further
【在 H********t 的大作中提到】
: 期货代码
: /cl
: 好几个broker都可以做吧
: 越是有人想看到30，40的，就不会去那里。。
| k*******d
发帖数: 707 | 20 Saudi 大佬说的。
people
prices
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: Oil may stabilize around $60/barrel, WSJ reports, citing unidentified people
: familiar.
: Suggests Saudis won’t push for supply cuts in near-term, even if oil prices
: fall further
| p*********s
发帖数: 1952 | 21 谁都不知道，别说大佬了
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 k*******d 的大作中提到】
: Saudi 大佬说的。
:
: people
: prices
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