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B******e
发帖数: 16928
1
Nadal and His Knees Look at Home Again On the Grass
After struggling in recent years at Wimbledon, Rafael Nadal looks like a
contender thanks in part to this year’s patchy courts
Spain's Rafael Nadal celebrates beating Russia's Karen Khachanov in a third-
round match on the fifth day of the 2017 Wimbledon Championships.
Spain's Rafael Nadal celebrates beating Russia's Karen Khachanov in a third-
round match on the fifth day of the 2017 Wimbledon Championships.
Wimbledon, England
At Wimbledon, unusually warm air and sunshine have dried up the famed grass
courts and increased patches of dirt. And that means Rafael Nadal actually
has a chance to win this thing.
Nadal is a legend of clay courts who has struggled in recent years on grass.
Knee problems have made the condition worse because, when the grass is
fresh and slippery, he can’t move or bend deeply for the ball as quickly or
comfortably as he needs.
But when the grass thins out and the dirt appears, the ball bounces higher,
Nadal’s knees are less stressed and he has a better chance of advancing.
Nadal won his third match on Friday, with the heat helping him beat Karen
Khachanov, who is 6-foot-6 and hits with brutal power. Nadal wasn’t
impressed. He broke Khachanov’s serve three times in the first set on his
way to a 6-1, 6-4, 7-6(3) victory. Nadal hit 41 winners and had just 19
errors.
Nadal sounds more hopeful than he has in years. “I am excited to be playing
again here, in a tournament that I really love,” he said last week. “If I
am able to go through at the beginning, I think I am with confidence.”
On Monday Nadal will play 6-feet 4-inch Gilles Muller, one of the men who
beat a young Nadal at Wimbledon. If he wins, his next round will likely be
brutal: 6-feet-6 grass-court lover Marin Cilic, seeded seventh and the owner
of a deadly serve, long arms and powerful strokes.
Considering how Nadal started his career as a clay master, it’s remarkable
that he can be dangerous at Wimbledon. When he won his first French Open in
2005, at age 19, Nadal went to Wimbledon with hope. Instead, he looked lost.
He hit forehands short and loopy, played mostly on the baseline and swatted
somewhat awkward backhands. Muller beat him in the second round, worse than
his third-round performance two years before.
His losses made sense: Nadal had powerful shots, but also a weak serve and
forehands that too often landed short. He needed to change enough aspects of
his game that it would have been understandable if he stuck with clay and
hard courts.
Instead, he worked even harder. The next year, he went for more depth on his
forehand and more power in his backhand, shots that keep attackers from
controlling him on clay.
And once the surface lost grass and became brown dirt, Nadal went to the
final.
His topspin forehands bounced in a funky way, and he didn’t mind if the
opponent’s shots did the same: Nadal had practiced hitting odd bounces on
beat-up courts since childhood at the command of his uncle, Toni.
In 2008, in his third straight Wimbledon final against Roger Federer, Nadal
peaked and beat Federer in one of the finest matches in tennis history. The
rain-delayed battle ended at 9:16 p.m., just before it would have to be
postponed because of darkness.
Wimbledon’s courts are prestigious. The surfaces are more firm than those
built in the past, when serving and volleying ruled the sport. Players say
that bounces remain true more on these grass courts than any other in the
world.
But they change when patches of grass disappear, giving players the ability
to sprint, rather than run. For some, the results are maddening, even for a
successful champion like Novak Djokovic, who has won three titles here.
“We came to play on grass, so it’s nice to actually play on grass,”
Djokovic said. “The more you play on it, the worse it actually is and worse
it gets. Contrary to clay, for example. The more you play on it, the better
condition it actually is.”
What annoys Djokovic allows Nadal to thrive, especially with his knee
problems that make him start the tournament with trepidation.
“You have to be a little bit more cautious,” said Grigor Dimitrov, who
reached the semifinals in 2014. “You have to stay a bit lower.”
Nadal changed his Wimbledon training this year by skipping the main
tournaments and working out on a grass court in Mallorca. He started in
small steps. “We decided that for my body is better to have a slower change
to the grass,” he said. “We were practicing little bit more every day.”
Nadal has had a little luck, too: Soft early round opponents, rather than
lowly-ranked, but serve-slamming, grass experts. His first round opponent,
Australia’s John Millman, isn’t a striking power. His second round came
against Donald Young, a small American with some magic, not missiles.
Now that Nadal has survived his first true slugger test against Khachanov,
he’ll be thrilled about the Wimbledon changes on Sunday, when no matches
are held and the groundskeepers work on the courts. Federer said the
adjustment, especially the removal of dead grass, lets players take more
risks.
“It’s easier to move from there on and I feel it’s easier to become more
aggressive,” Federer said. “Whereas the first week, especially the first
two matches, in my opinion, you have to be a bit more careful that you don’
t slip away.”
Nadal reached the Wimbledon final every year he played from 2006 to 2011 and
won the title twice (he was absent in 2009). Since then he lost in the
second round twice and the first round once. At his best, he fell in the
fourth round, which Nadal will play on Monday. Every time he has passed the
fourth round here he has gone on to reach the final.
“I am happy that I am here playing again in Wimbledon and with positive
feelings in terms of health,” Nadal said. “That’s the most important
thing.”
u**b
发帖数: 398
2
纳达尔在温网第二周实实在在的拥有天时(携法网冠军)和地利,打法也做了相应调整
,看好啊。
k******d
发帖数: 5336
3
还是有点担心豆子进不了决赛, 几个对手状态都还可以.
u**b
发帖数: 398
4
我是纯费粉,身兼一职,从不担心这个那个的。看球图开心,不喜欢自虐。


: 还是有点担心豆子进不了决赛, 几个对手状态都还可以.



【在 k******d 的大作中提到】
: 还是有点担心豆子进不了决赛, 几个对手状态都还可以.
k******d
发帖数: 5336
5
我知道你是费粉. 担心也没什么问题吧, 什么都云淡风轻, 看球也没啥乐趣.

【在 u**b 的大作中提到】
: 我是纯费粉,身兼一职,从不担心这个那个的。看球图开心,不喜欢自虐。
:
:
: 还是有点担心豆子进不了决赛, 几个对手状态都还可以.
:

u**b
发帖数: 398
6
知道兄弟你也是
就是借你会贴给几个豆粉说点实话,LOL


: 我知道你是费粉.



【在 k******d 的大作中提到】
: 我知道你是费粉. 担心也没什么问题吧, 什么都云淡风轻, 看球也没啥乐趣.
l****n
发帖数: 1506
7
你是高级费粉,轻松愉快。
除非豆,费,德都淘汰了,我才能好好看球。

:我是纯费粉,身兼一职,从不担心这个那个的。看球图开心,不喜欢自虐。
l****n
发帖数: 1506
8
只有我豆拿下17温网,才觉得场地第二周有利。要是真拿下这次温网,17盛夏真是让人
疯狂啊,哈哈哈!

:知道兄弟你也是
:就是借你会贴给几个豆粉说点实话,LOL
D*******e
发帖数: 12862
9
还是怀疑这个草地变土场的说法。。。
毕竟温网还是大炮打的好嘛
如果真的跟土场差不多
进来的某些人就会换成某些人了。。。

third-
third-
grass

【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: Nadal and His Knees Look at Home Again On the Grass
: After struggling in recent years at Wimbledon, Rafael Nadal looks like a
: contender thanks in part to this year’s patchy courts
: Spain's Rafael Nadal celebrates beating Russia's Karen Khachanov in a third-
: round match on the fifth day of the 2017 Wimbledon Championships.
: Spain's Rafael Nadal celebrates beating Russia's Karen Khachanov in a third-
: round match on the fifth day of the 2017 Wimbledon Championships.
: Wimbledon, England
: At Wimbledon, unusually warm air and sunshine have dried up the famed grass
: courts and increased patches of dirt. And that means Rafael Nadal actually

B******e
发帖数: 16928
10
是小德在抱怨草场越打场地越烂,土场越打场地越好。

【在 D*******e 的大作中提到】
: 还是怀疑这个草地变土场的说法。。。
: 毕竟温网还是大炮打的好嘛
: 如果真的跟土场差不多
: 进来的某些人就会换成某些人了。。。
:
: third-
: third-
: grass

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D*******e
发帖数: 12862
11
小德果然如他们所说,温室花朵,哈哈
看起来他果然是最在乎场地天气风大风小这些外界因素的了 :)

【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 是小德在抱怨草场越打场地越烂,土场越打场地越好。
D*******e
发帖数: 12862
12
难道拿下法网还不够令你疯狂吗 @[email protected]
你居然还要求法温并蒂。。。要求太高了。。。:)

【在 l****n 的大作中提到】
: 只有我豆拿下17温网,才觉得场地第二周有利。要是真拿下这次温网,17盛夏真是让人
: 疯狂啊,哈哈哈!
:
: :知道兄弟你也是
: :就是借你会贴给几个豆粉说点实话,LOL

k******d
发帖数: 5336
13
德子巅峰时期在硬地场上确实达到了很高的高度, 至少和巅峰老费是不相上下的.

【在 D*******e 的大作中提到】
: 小德果然如他们所说,温室花朵,哈哈
: 看起来他果然是最在乎场地天气风大风小这些外界因素的了 :)

D*******e
发帖数: 12862
14
是不是有巅峰德子史上第一的argument?
based on主要是哪些数据?

【在 k******d 的大作中提到】
: 德子巅峰时期在硬地场上确实达到了很高的高度, 至少和巅峰老费是不相上下的.
k******d
发帖数: 5336
15
德粉们的确提过. 大师赛拿比较多吧, 显得比较dominant. 后来好像记得费粉和德粉达
成共识, 慢速硬地德子稍稍占优, 快速硬地老费稍稍占优, lol.

【在 D*******e 的大作中提到】
: 是不是有巅峰德子史上第一的argument?
: based on主要是哪些数据?

B****n
发帖数: 11290
16
對阿 草場當然不可能變土場 不然Nadal就不是只有兩冠了 呵呵
只是到了第二周球彈跳比較高 相對第一周 第二周確實對Nadal較有利
不過現在Nadal體力不如以前了 所以起伏還是比較大 最大熱門還是老費吧

【在 D*******e 的大作中提到】
: 还是怀疑这个草地变土场的说法。。。
: 毕竟温网还是大炮打的好嘛
: 如果真的跟土场差不多
: 进来的某些人就会换成某些人了。。。
:
: third-
: third-
: grass

D*******e
发帖数: 12862
17
可是老费今年携升级版反手
瞬间就把老德的慢速硬地领地给攻陷了一个GS和俩大师赛,hoho

【在 k******d 的大作中提到】
: 德粉们的确提过. 大师赛拿比较多吧, 显得比较dominant. 后来好像记得费粉和德粉达
: 成共识, 慢速硬地德子稍稍占优, 快速硬地老费稍稍占优, lol.

k******d
发帖数: 5336
18
那时德子状态有问题, 两人还没直接交手, 所以这个问题还要看这次温网. 温网速度其
实也不是很快, 三个人都还算状态不错, 所以费德决战, 费钠决战都很有意义.

【在 D*******e 的大作中提到】
: 可是老费今年携升级版反手
: 瞬间就把老德的慢速硬地领地给攻陷了一个GS和俩大师赛,hoho

B****n
发帖数: 11290
19
小德當然不是溫室的花朵 說不定是四大裡面從小磨難最多的 畢竟是塞爾維亞人

【在 D*******e 的大作中提到】
: 小德果然如他们所说,温室花朵,哈哈
: 看起来他果然是最在乎场地天气风大风小这些外界因素的了 :)

l****n
发帖数: 1506
20
老费拥有的实在太多太多了。老费不应该温网8冠独居史上第一,还是和老桑并列温网
第一吧。

:對阿 草場當然不可能變土場 不然Nadal就不是只有兩冠了 呵呵
:只是到了第二周球彈跳比較高 相對第一周 第二周確實對Nadal較有利
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B****n
发帖数: 11290
21
呵呵
我也是豆粉 但和你有不一樣的看法 我覺得沒有誰得到榮譽是不應該的 都是自己艱苦
努力得到的


【在 l****n 的大作中提到】
: 老费拥有的实在太多太多了。老费不应该温网8冠独居史上第一,还是和老桑并列温网
: 第一吧。
:
: :對阿 草場當然不可能變土場 不然Nadal就不是只有兩冠了 呵呵
: :只是到了第二周球彈跳比較高 相對第一周 第二周確實對Nadal較有利

k******d
发帖数: 5336
22
你说话太好笑了, 那豆子就应该红土10冠? 还不是天赋加努力得来的. 你自己粉的就是
努力得来的, 人家就是老天照顾的, 你这么说话别人的粉丝能同意吗.

【在 l****n 的大作中提到】
: 老费拥有的实在太多太多了。老费不应该温网8冠独居史上第一,还是和老桑并列温网
: 第一吧。
:
: :對阿 草場當然不可能變土場 不然Nadal就不是只有兩冠了 呵呵
: :只是到了第二周球彈跳比較高 相對第一周 第二周確實對Nadal較有利

l********e
发帖数: 3999
23
这位女同学已经为了纳豆能成为史上第一不计一切了,管他合理不合理,阴暗不阴暗

【在 B****n 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵
: 我也是豆粉 但和你有不一樣的看法 我覺得沒有誰得到榮譽是不應該的 都是自己艱苦
: 努力得到的
:

d****r
发帖数: 1499
24
女豆粉果然多,逻辑也堪忧

【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 这位女同学已经为了纳豆能成为史上第一不计一切了,管他合理不合理,阴暗不阴暗
D*******e
发帖数: 12862
25
nodnod
其实真的是看别人容易
一旦成为粉丝就知道其实每个人都是太不容易了
老费最让人滔滔江水的事情是在35岁的高龄,他竟然能把他自己的技术又提高到了一个
不可思议的新的高度。。。他现在竟然没有弱点了。。。这在我看来是匪夷所思的,所
以我森森地理解豆子今年所感受到的郁闷,因为这点在今年一开始的时候真的是无论如
何也不可能预料到的,谁会想到他竟然能如此强势地come back呢。。。
其实我在法网之后真的对豆子的战绩再也没有更多的要求了。。。我觉得豆子已经太棒
太棒了,我希望能看到他再拿一个GS,他果然这么快就拿了一个,我已经觉得足够完美
了。。。只要他不再说他要going to die to win another GS,我就再也不会那么
stressful地去奢求他再拿一个。。。当然game day我始终还是会很紧张地去follow比
分,不管那个比赛是什么,但是只要他打的好,有激情有自信,在场上能够真正地
enjoy比赛,绽放自己,打出那种令我惊艳的好球,我真的就别无他求了。。。每天看
他比赛的HL最爽的事情就是看他在赛点赢了的那一刻的开心激动的样子,我觉得这就是
我现在每天支持他的最大的动力了,呵呵

【在 B****n 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵
: 我也是豆粉 但和你有不一樣的看法 我覺得沒有誰得到榮譽是不應該的 都是自己艱苦
: 努力得到的
:

n********r
发帖数: 4558
26
毕竟是曾经沧海,你的境界比大多数粉丝都高啊。

【在 D*******e 的大作中提到】
: nodnod
: 其实真的是看别人容易
: 一旦成为粉丝就知道其实每个人都是太不容易了
: 老费最让人滔滔江水的事情是在35岁的高龄,他竟然能把他自己的技术又提高到了一个
: 不可思议的新的高度。。。他现在竟然没有弱点了。。。这在我看来是匪夷所思的,所
: 以我森森地理解豆子今年所感受到的郁闷,因为这点在今年一开始的时候真的是无论如
: 何也不可能预料到的,谁会想到他竟然能如此强势地come back呢。。。
: 其实我在法网之后真的对豆子的战绩再也没有更多的要求了。。。我觉得豆子已经太棒
: 太棒了,我希望能看到他再拿一个GS,他果然这么快就拿了一个,我已经觉得足够完美
: 了。。。只要他不再说他要going to die to win another GS,我就再也不会那么

n********r
发帖数: 4558
27
土场还能越打场地越好?是不是土颗粒被磨得更加碎了?

【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 是小德在抱怨草场越打场地越烂,土场越打场地越好。
D*******e
发帖数: 12862
28
我曾经了太多的沧海了,哈哈哈
所以我non game day的境界还凑合 :) 不过game day没用,我照紧张不误。。。呵呵

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】
: 毕竟是曾经沧海,你的境界比大多数粉丝都高啊。
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