w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 1 http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_48950aa50102vxog.html?tj=tiyu
当年，俺教练曾喃喃自语地告诉我们：“什么是运动员的实力？练到最后，运动员的实
力往往是力量。”
去欧洲，老外们听说你是中国人，就先提到功夫，然后就上来摸你的三角肌和肱二头肌
大小，他们心目中很看中力量素质，因此奥运会在欧洲举行时，像举重这类的项目就很
受欢迎，看电影你也会发现欧美人心目中的超级英雄不是小白脸，而是些力大无穷的壮
汉，比如演过《大力神在纽约》的“魔鬼终结者”阿诺施瓦辛格州长先生，还有要动用
私人飞机去反恐的光头大叔布鲁斯威利斯，雷神有什么能耐？不就会使个锤子么？
我们信奉“四两拨千斤”，更喜咏春瞬间的“寸劲”，也想着“小球玩转大球”，但在
体育竞赛中，尤其对抗性的项目中，身体质量的大小以及运动员的力量素质是非常关键
的，特别是爆发力。
大概两个月前在大学球场打篮球时，一笑嘻嘻的非洲小伙凑上来说能不能跟我们玩一会
儿，他以前是练过篮球的，我们说好吧，你就上来打。结果一试，这伙计也就只会拍球
和跳投，然后他又改口说自己练过的其实是足球。我们又分开打了半场4对4，结果就不
同了，跟以前外国人给我留下的印象没什么两样——他们看上去笨拙，但一旦进入实战
对抗，身体优势就立马呈现出来。
非洲小哥扑过来抢球时，迎面而来的压力几乎让人窒息，他不会运球，却轻轻一跳半人
多高，本来不怎么好的投篮技术忽然变得非常出色，咋投咋有，这时你会发现遏制这样
的队员实在太难，因为他能力太强（这里也为中国篮球和中国足球伸一下冤）。
前面这么一大段其实为说在澳网取得突破的中国小花张帅，昨晚她通过一场艰苦的逆转
战胜了美国人凯斯，证明自己在李娜、郑洁等人之后选择“单飞”是有信心的，当然也
有说法是：张帅单飞之后日子过得很艰难，差点就要付不起教练费。
就在艰难时刻，张帅终在自己27岁时爆发，成为“第四位打入大满贯八强的中国选手”
。她进入澳网八强之后，立马引起国内网球粉们的欢腾和争论，大家最关注的是——张
帅能不能成为第二个李娜？
从年龄上看，张帅跟李娜当年达到个人巅峰状态的时间差不多，李娜在26岁时获北京奥
运会前四名，到2011年29岁时在澳网打到亚军，随后又在法网夺冠，单从这个数据分析
，中国女网球选手出成绩比较晚，是经历了多年在中下层揉搓和历练，一直到技术、经
验都比较丰厚的情况下才开始取得突破。
以身体条件，张帅1米76的身高和62公斤左右的体重似要比李娜、郑洁和彭帅好一些。
但不难发现，所有的中国网球金花里面，李娜能成为最有成就的一位是因具备了强大的
力量素质，也就是我们前面所说的“实力”。
当年我们质问老师：为什么最后决定运动员实力的不是技术？
带出好几个全国冠军的他老人家回答说：“专业运动员天天练，什么样的技术都不是问
题，真正决定运动员上升空间的是能力，其中很重要的一点就是力量素质。”
美国黑旋风小威廉姆斯14岁开始网球生涯，2年后就击败赛莱斯、皮尔斯进入芝加哥赛
的四强，到如今已成为21届大满贯得主，当今女子网坛不二的霸主，靠啥？
你可赞扬说小威“智慧、美貌与心态”俱备，但事实上威姐成名江湖独步天下靠得是令
人惊悚的肌肉，是肌肉！她那恐怖的力量，迅猛的罚球，简直女版泰森，让男爷们儿也
仓皇生畏。
有一副李娜击球的照片展示了她极低的皮下脂肪和一身“魔鬼肌肉”，这也大致说明：
李娜是中国女网球运动员中力量最好的，无论郑洁、彭帅和晏紫，她们都不具备李娜的
实力。郑洁才是网球场上智慧、灵巧和好心态的化身，也取得过不错的成绩，但她就很
难实现终极突破。李娜脾气坏、心态不好，甚至说情绪波动很大，但最终当技术和经验
的积累达到一定程度时，决定她能攀到最高的还是她的力量。
张帅要成为第二个李娜，必须强化力量，尤其击球臂、肩和背部的肌肉群，这不但能增
加击球速度，还可减少受伤，同时再增加一点体重也许会有帮助。 |
c****8
发帖数: 858 | |
w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 3 其实作者的观点也可以理解为，如果张帅无法在力量上更上一层楼，则很难成为“李娜
第二”。
我看了几场澳网的中国vs外国女网单打，中国女网选手都是苗条型。这种苗条型在移动
上具有优势，但在力量上则无法对抗国外高水平选手。
几位中国女单球员在比赛中都比对手更善于跑动，更长于救球，但是却总是在进入相持
后渐渐落到被动之中。因为对手的球更有力量，所以打着打着总是进入对手主动进攻中
国球员被动救球的模式。而张帅之所以能不像其余中国球员那么被动，是因为她的力量
比其余中国球员好。
要争取主动，一个是球的落点，一个是球的力量。但是对女网球员来说，力量比落点更
重要。这就是为什么小威这种壮实的身材，能压制莎娃这种修长体型。
中国女单的选材，应该选彭帅那样的体型，同时在移动上又不弱的选手。或者像李娜那
样比较壮实的身材。版上有个李娜黑说李娜长的像个村姑。其实这种村姑身材，才是适
合女网的身材。 |
b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 4 同意作者观点。女子网球的主要竞争方向就是力量，男子网球的主要竞争方向是速度。 |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 5 不同意作者的看法， 力量的确重要， 但不是运动员的真正实力。 锦织圭力量不如宋
佳， 但他胜了；小德力量远不如山姆格罗特 ，但他排名第一； 女子里，有多少人力
量大于辛吉斯,拉德万斯卡 又有多少人能胜过她们？
练到最后是将力量技术融合在一起达到最适合自己的境界。要拼的是 mental 和
fitness. 扬科维奇当年就因为专门加强上肢力量而导致她移动减慢，受伤，排名下跌
。 张帅没必要强化力量成为“李娜第二”， 她需要信心，做好自己的张帅。
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_48950aa50102vxog.html?tj=tiyu
: 当年，俺教练曾喃喃自语地告诉我们：“什么是运动员的实力？练到最后，运动员的实
: 力往往是力量。”
: 去欧洲，老外们听说你是中国人，就先提到功夫，然后就上来摸你的三角肌和肱二头肌
: 大小，他们心目中很看中力量素质，因此奥运会在欧洲举行时，像举重这类的项目就很
: 受欢迎，看电影你也会发现欧美人心目中的超级英雄不是小白脸，而是些力大无穷的壮
: 汉，比如演过《大力神在纽约》的“魔鬼终结者”阿诺施瓦辛格州长先生，还有要动用
: 私人飞机去反恐的光头大叔布鲁斯威利斯，雷神有什么能耐？不就会使个锤子么？
: 我们信奉“四两拨千斤”，更喜咏春瞬间的“寸劲”，也想着“小球玩转大球”，但在
: 体育竞赛中，尤其对抗性的项目中，身体质量的大小以及运动员的力量素质是非常关键
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 6 中国教练。。。这跟当年足球大练万米跑搞12分钟跑不是一个路子嘛。非要把复杂的球
类运动简化为某一个单项素质。而且明明自己是网球技术落后国家，还看不起技术，说
什么技术到最后都能练出来。不说别的，有本事练个桑葚那样的发球来看看吧？找个个
子高点的，力气大的。能练成Isner的发球也行啊 |
S*****e
发帖数: 6676 | 7 同意啊。不知道还有多少人记得智利的Rios，当年拿法网还是澳网时那些比赛看的俺五
体投地。
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 不同意作者的看法， 力量的确重要， 但不是运动员的真正实力。 锦织圭力量不如宋
: 佳， 但他胜了；小德力量远不如山姆格罗特 ，但他排名第一； 女子里，有多少人力
: 量大于辛吉斯,拉德万斯卡 又有多少人能胜过她们？
: 练到最后是将力量技术融合在一起达到最适合自己的境界。要拼的是 mental 和
: fitness. 扬科维奇当年就因为专门加强上肢力量而导致她移动减慢，受伤，排名下跌
: 。 张帅没必要强化力量成为“李娜第二”， 她需要信心，做好自己的张帅。
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n***s
发帖数: 551 | 8 水桶原理罢了，先补短板。
练力量不是每个人都能成小威，练技术也不会都练成拉德辛吉斯，现在的问题是女子力
量太弱，所以练力量要优先，更容易出成绩(统计，别特例)。
否则的话，争论就是为争而争了。
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 不同意作者的看法， 力量的确重要， 但不是运动员的真正实力。 锦织圭力量不如宋
: 佳， 但他胜了；小德力量远不如山姆格罗特 ，但他排名第一； 女子里，有多少人力
: 量大于辛吉斯,拉德万斯卡 又有多少人能胜过她们？
: 练到最后是将力量技术融合在一起达到最适合自己的境界。要拼的是 mental 和
: fitness. 扬科维奇当年就因为专门加强上肢力量而导致她移动减慢，受伤，排名下跌
: 。 张帅没必要强化力量成为“李娜第二”， 她需要信心，做好自己的张帅。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 9 嗯， 是水桶原理， 争论点是最短板是不是力量。。。 我认为不是
【在 n***s 的大作中提到】
: 水桶原理罢了，先补短板。
: 练力量不是每个人都能成小威，练技术也不会都练成拉德辛吉斯，现在的问题是女子力
: 量太弱，所以练力量要优先，更容易出成绩(统计，别特例)。
: 否则的话，争论就是为争而争了。
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R******6
发帖数: 609 | 10 小薇跟任何wta对打mma，目测一秒之内KO对手。
老费跟卡洛围棋对打mma，目测10秒之内会被KO。 |
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f**********g
发帖数: 1056 | 11 最烦拿那些SB格斗说事的。他们不是空手，手上多吧牌子的。而且，网球场很大，打不
过还跑不过！ |
R******6
发帖数: 609 | 12 嗯，拿着拍子在网球场对打，而且追着打。
你生活充满喜感。
【在 f**********g 的大作中提到】
: 最烦拿那些SB格斗说事的。他们不是空手，手上多吧牌子的。而且，网球场很大，打不
: 过还跑不过！
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s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 13 Karlovic is soooo thin...
【在 R******6 的大作中提到】
: 小薇跟任何wta对打mma，目测一秒之内KO对手。
: 老费跟卡洛围棋对打mma，目测10秒之内会被KO。
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s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 14 if yaoming knows to play tennis, what serve speed he could reach?
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 中国教练。。。这跟当年足球大练万米跑搞12分钟跑不是一个路子嘛。非要把复杂的球
: 类运动简化为某一个单项素质。而且明明自己是网球技术落后国家，还看不起技术，说
: 什么技术到最后都能练出来。不说别的，有本事练个桑葚那样的发球来看看吧？找个个
: 子高点的，力气大的。能练成Isner的发球也行啊
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R******6
发帖数: 609 | 15 卡洛围棋倒是不胖，211，104公斤。老费185 85公斤。算bmi的话老费还是壮点。
不过祖宗有句话，身大力不亏。想象一下，跟一个比你高26公分，体育锻炼水平相近的
对手面对面开打...没有特殊原因的话我直接认输。
你行你上。
【在 s***e 的大作中提到】
: Karlovic is soooo thin...
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 16 Sam Groth上。
【在 R******6 的大作中提到】
: 卡洛围棋倒是不胖，211，104公斤。老费185 85公斤。算bmi的话老费还是壮点。
: 不过祖宗有句话，身大力不亏。想象一下，跟一个比你高26公分，体育锻炼水平相近的
: 对手面对面开打...没有特殊原因的话我直接认输。
: 你行你上。
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z*****k
发帖数: 600 | |
z*****k
发帖数: 600 | 18 “专业运动员天天练，什么样的技术都不是问题，真正决定运动员上升空间的是能力，
其中很重要的一点就是力量素质。”
人家教练明明在讲 “力量素质”，单讨论力量这个意思全变了。就这阅读能力难怪人
家体育老师开始教语文了
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_48950aa50102vxog.html?tj=tiyu
: 当年，俺教练曾喃喃自语地告诉我们：“什么是运动员的实力？练到最后，运动员的实
: 力往往是力量。”
: 去欧洲，老外们听说你是中国人，就先提到功夫，然后就上来摸你的三角肌和肱二头肌
: 大小，他们心目中很看中力量素质，因此奥运会在欧洲举行时，像举重这类的项目就很
: 受欢迎，看电影你也会发现欧美人心目中的超级英雄不是小白脸，而是些力大无穷的壮
: 汉，比如演过《大力神在纽约》的“魔鬼终结者”阿诺施瓦辛格州长先生，还有要动用
: 私人飞机去反恐的光头大叔布鲁斯威利斯，雷神有什么能耐？不就会使个锤子么？
: 我们信奉“四两拨千斤”，更喜咏春瞬间的“寸劲”，也想着“小球玩转大球”，但在
: 体育竞赛中，尤其对抗性的项目中，身体质量的大小以及运动员的力量素质是非常关键
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c***d
发帖数: 756 | 19
网球运动员多数都是180~190之间的吧，起码牛人都是。
如果体育锻炼水平相近的，一个是正常身高，另一个高26公分的话，
高个的灵活性，速度，反应速度，耐力都要差一截。
要是你拿160跟185比，那当我没说。
【在 R******6 的大作中提到】
: 卡洛围棋倒是不胖，211，104公斤。老费185 85公斤。算bmi的话老费还是壮点。
: 不过祖宗有句话，身大力不亏。想象一下，跟一个比你高26公分，体育锻炼水平相近的
: 对手面对面开打...没有特殊原因的话我直接认输。
: 你行你上。
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c***d
发帖数: 756 | 20
“天天练，什么样的技术都不是问题”
这不是扯淡么，中国专业运动员天天练，
哪项技术配给老费老德提鞋？
就这样还能做教练，难怪水平上不去。
【在 z*****k 的大作中提到】
: “专业运动员天天练，什么样的技术都不是问题，真正决定运动员上升空间的是能力，
: 其中很重要的一点就是力量素质。”
: 人家教练明明在讲 “力量素质”，单讨论力量这个意思全变了。就这阅读能力难怪人
: 家体育老师开始教语文了
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h*h
发帖数: 18873 | |
z*****k
发帖数: 600 | 22 不清楚话的上下文，扯没扯淡不知道。但是显然不是什么技术人人都能掌握得了的。如
果说的是给资源认真练了，练就是一个过程。时间到了，能不能练出来其中就是个选材
问题。所以如果教练谈的是选材，身体素质力量素质自然是最重要。
【在 c***d 的大作中提到】
:
: “天天练，什么样的技术都不是问题”
: 这不是扯淡么，中国专业运动员天天练，
: 哪项技术配给老费老德提鞋？
: 就这样还能做教练，难怪水平上不去。
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 23 我看了一下反对者的论点，感觉是没有真正理解作者的观点。
所以变成是他说他的，你说你的，两边好像不是在说同一件事。
1.作者的观点是个相对的概念，而反对者把他的话当作绝对概念来反驳。
比如有个人说男人的力量比女人大。这就是一个相对的概念。
如果你要举出很多女人力量比男人大的例子来反驳，那么这个争论是不会有结果的。因
为你们俩不是在说同一件事。
作者没有说力量就是一切，有了力量其他因素都不起作用。作者的意思是（在很多项目
中）力量在所有因素中是最重要的（但不是唯一的因素）。
“什么是运动员的实力？练到最后，运动员的实力往往是力量。”
什么是“练到最后”？就是说在其他方面大家都练到很难再有提高的空间，这时力量的
差别就成了决定实力的最重要因素。而且作者说“往往”，并没有说所有体育项目。比
如乒乓球，羽毛球，这些技巧性的项目，练到最后还是技术最重要。
力量是最重要的因素，有两层意思：一是力量的先天属性更强。如果两个球员都练到自
己的极限，技术上的差别比较容易追上，力量上的差别很难追上。
二是力量的决定性更强。一个力量10分技术7分的球员，能击败一个技术10分，力量7分
的球员。但是一个技术10分力量7分的球员，可以击败一个力量10分技术5分的球员。所
以这里是一个相对的概念。技术也可以起作用，但是其决定性比力量相对小一些。
以张帅和孔塔的比赛作例子，张帅在技术上并不比对手差，甚至更强一些。但是孔塔力
量更强。孔塔的发球球速在170公里以上。而张帅发球球速150公里以上。所以在对方的
发球局，张很被动；而在自己的发球局，张也很难取得主动。（发不死对方或不能给对
方造成被动。我记得打到一半的时候，双方Ace球的对比是6比0.以后我就没有再注意）
再看看大满贯得主的发球球速，小威最高207公里。李娜最高197公里。
李娜的球速在大满贯得主中是最低的。可以假设，如果和女网最高水平选手之间的发球
球速差别不大，还可以用技术优势来弥补（比如李娜），但是如果这个差别过大，超过
一定程度，技术优势就无法弥补。如果张帅无法把自己的发球球速提高到190公里以上
，在现在的女网水平下，光通过提高技术，无法拿到大满贯。
请注意作者的标题是张帅能不能成为另一个李娜。
用男网的球员做例子，或用过去的女网球员做例子，都是不相关的例子。
用一般球员做例子，也不对题。你技术好力量相对差，能打败一般水平的力量型选手，
但你能打败大满贯得主吗？因为这里讨论的是要成为最高水平的女网球员（大满贯得主
），是否有必要进一步提高力量。
到了那个水平上，力量的差别，用技术就无法弥补了。 |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 24 “什么是运动员的实力？练到最后，运动员的实力往往是力量。”
的确如果各个方面都到顶级了的确拼的是力量。 问题是作者说的是张帅而不是所谓的
练到最后。 “什么是练到最后”？ mental, physical, technical 都到了顶点。 而3
项最重要的是mental,也是张帅目前最需要的（澳网后希望能保持）。
说到力量，这和中文的精准有关（也可能是我中文差）. 力量=strength/force 还是力
量=power. Power = force x velocity. 如果作者说的力量是power那他融合了
strength 和技术。 那他说的还没太离谱。
楼主说到发球问题， 张帅明显技术上不如konta。 她发球不快是没能将自己最大力量
发出来， 这是技术问题。 正手技术上来说，她也没有konta的clean。 反手两人差不
多都是counter型。 综合技术张帅略次Konta， 但她第一盘很拼， 打了很多超出自己
平时comfort zone的球。 可 Konta 还是稳住了（几个关键的发球）， 那一波过去后
， 第二盘3个game 后， 张帅打的就有些乱了。
我会建议张帅目前什么都不变， 不用改善技术， 强化力量什么的。 保持并巩固目前
的mental state, mental approach to the match. Just go out there and enjoy
her time on the court， enjoy the competition. 这个能达到后， 再逐渐的完善技
术上的缺陷， 发球， 上网， 网前等。 在技术的基础上再适当的增强力度。
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 我看了一下反对者的论点，感觉是没有真正理解作者的观点。
: 所以变成是他说他的，你说你的，两边好像不是在说同一件事。
: 1.作者的观点是个相对的概念，而反对者把他的话当作绝对概念来反驳。
: 比如有个人说男人的力量比女人大。这就是一个相对的概念。
: 如果你要举出很多女人力量比男人大的例子来反驳，那么这个争论是不会有结果的。因
: 为你们俩不是在说同一件事。
: 作者没有说力量就是一切，有了力量其他因素都不起作用。作者的意思是（在很多项目
: 中）力量在所有因素中是最重要的（但不是唯一的因素）。
: “什么是运动员的实力？练到最后，运动员的实力往往是力量。”
: 什么是“练到最后”？就是说在其他方面大家都练到很难再有提高的空间，这时力量的
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h****5
发帖数: 174 | 25 两位讲得都有道理.张帅在mental,power,serve三个方面都有很大的提高空间.她的
mental intensity不够,serve更是Junior级别的,这两个请个好教练应该可以有质变.
Power不容易在一两年的时间突变吧,练猛了受伤就不值得了.
而3
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: “什么是运动员的实力？练到最后，运动员的实力往往是力量。”
: 的确如果各个方面都到顶级了的确拼的是力量。 问题是作者说的是张帅而不是所谓的
: 练到最后。 “什么是练到最后”？ mental, physical, technical 都到了顶点。 而3
: 项最重要的是mental,也是张帅目前最需要的（澳网后希望能保持）。
: 说到力量，这和中文的精准有关（也可能是我中文差）. 力量=strength/force 还是力
: 量=power. Power = force x velocity. 如果作者说的力量是power那他融合了
: strength 和技术。 那他说的还没太离谱。
: 楼主说到发球问题， 张帅明显技术上不如konta。 她发球不快是没能将自己最大力量
: 发出来， 这是技术问题。 正手技术上来说，她也没有konta的clean。 反手两人差不
: 多都是counter型。 综合技术张帅略次Konta， 但她第一盘很拼， 打了很多超出自己
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 26 力量当然是指的和项目相关的力量，在篮球中可以是弹跳和对抗能力（在和对方做身体
接触时完成动作的能力，）在乒乓球，羽毛球和网球就是爆发力。
说张帅的发球差不是因为力量而是因为技术，这个很难有说服力啊。
而3
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: “什么是运动员的实力？练到最后，运动员的实力往往是力量。”
: 的确如果各个方面都到顶级了的确拼的是力量。 问题是作者说的是张帅而不是所谓的
: 练到最后。 “什么是练到最后”？ mental, physical, technical 都到了顶点。 而3
: 项最重要的是mental,也是张帅目前最需要的（澳网后希望能保持）。
: 说到力量，这和中文的精准有关（也可能是我中文差）. 力量=strength/force 还是力
: 量=power. Power = force x velocity. 如果作者说的力量是power那他融合了
: strength 和技术。 那他说的还没太离谱。
: 楼主说到发球问题， 张帅明显技术上不如konta。 她发球不快是没能将自己最大力量
: 发出来， 这是技术问题。 正手技术上来说，她也没有konta的clean。 反手两人差不
: 多都是counter型。 综合技术张帅略次Konta， 但她第一盘很拼， 打了很多超出自己
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 27 "说张帅的发球差不是因为力量而是因为技术，这个很难有说服力啊。"
那是要看想说服谁啦。 =)
你说的力量是指爆发力，strength方面的吧。 这些提高的确会对发球的效果有一定帮
助， 但技术不对这方面上去了，容易受伤。 我不是说提高这方面没用， 我不同意作
者以力为主的看法。
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 力量当然是指的和项目相关的力量，在篮球中可以是弹跳和对抗能力（在和对方做身体
: 接触时完成动作的能力，）在乒乓球，羽毛球和网球就是爆发力。
: 说张帅的发球差不是因为力量而是因为技术，这个很难有说服力啊。
:
: 而3
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p**p
发帖数: 63 | 28 这场球张帅就输在力量跟发球上。力量确实需要加强，这样在球质会提高，更容易在相
持中占据主动。
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: "说张帅的发球差不是因为力量而是因为技术，这个很难有说服力啊。"
: 那是要看想说服谁啦。 =)
: 你说的力量是指爆发力，strength方面的吧。 这些提高的确会对发球的效果有一定帮
: 助， 但技术不对这方面上去了，容易受伤。 我不是说提高这方面没用， 我不同意作
: 者以力为主的看法。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 29 没错， 最终定论是可以这么定。 （力量= power) 那再进一步问， 为什么力量跟发球
不如对手？
【在 p**p 的大作中提到】
: 这场球张帅就输在力量跟发球上。力量确实需要加强，这样在球质会提高，更容易在相
: 持中占据主动。
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n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 30 其实必须加强英语口语才最重要，这样获胜后发言就不会有压力。
昨晚张一直在想自己如果又赢了这场，赛后怎么回答问题呢？不能和过去几场一样一直
摇头吧？结果分心过渡，就输了。
这点李娜开始也做得不好，后来好许多许多。。。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 31 张帅采访可以，不紧张，狂烂英语照样可以表达意思，比纳豆强。
【在 n*********e 的大作中提到】
: 其实必须加强英语口语才最重要，这样获胜后发言就不会有压力。
: 昨晚张一直在想自己如果又赢了这场，赛后怎么回答问题呢？不能和过去几场一样一直
: 摇头吧？结果分心过渡，就输了。
: 这点李娜开始也做得不好，后来好许多许多。。。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 32 体重身高，:)
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 没错， 最终定论是可以这么定。 （力量= power) 那再进一步问， 为什么力量跟发球
: 不如对手？
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 33 true, it's always easier to blame on things you don't have much control over
. :)
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 体重身高，:)
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 34 For the Konta match, I do believe those are the key. Konta doesn't have
very clean strokes either.
over
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: true, it's always easier to blame on things you don't have much control over
: . :)
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 35 the key was Konta is taller and heavier?
her forehand is pretty clean to me, which part the stroke do you think is
not clean? Serve has some glitches, but she got most of the key point right.
As for Zhang Shuai's serve there are some very rudimentary glitches.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: For the Konta match, I do believe those are the key. Konta doesn't have
: very clean strokes either.
:
: over
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 36 Radwanska is shorter, and lighter, yet her average serve speed is comparable
to Zhang Shuai.... their style is very different...
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 体重身高，:)
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 37 Konta's forehand is not clean. She often got overpowered by hard hitters.
Also her groundstrokes takes too long time to prepare, which makes her
return of service very weak. She often has to slice back.
Overall in the aspects I mentioned above, Zhang Shuai hits cleaner.
Of course Konta has way better defense than Zhang due to footwork and
explosive strength.
right.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: the key was Konta is taller and heavier?
: her forehand is pretty clean to me, which part the stroke do you think is
: not clean? Serve has some glitches, but she got most of the key point right.
: As for Zhang Shuai's serve there are some very rudimentary glitches.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 38 I am purely talking about Zhang vs Konta.
comparable
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Radwanska is shorter, and lighter, yet her average serve speed is comparable
: to Zhang Shuai.... their style is very different...
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 39 long time to prepare? Her preparation is much more compact. She has an ATP
forehand which is elbow away from the body, hence it look as it's taking a
bigger loop, in reality its a lot more compact than what you observed.
As for the return, because he stroke is clean, she doesn't slap at the ball,
she flick and brush the ball (racquet face more parallel to the ground),
thus the margin for a clean contact is smaller, it has more to do with her
timing than stroke itself.
Zhuang Shuai too has somewhat an ATP fh take back, but her racquet face
venture into the WTA realm at times (pass the body plane); so in reality her
strokes is longer and takes more time. Her racquet face is more
perpendicular to the ground, thus she can drive with more pace, but less
control. Also it seems Zhang Shuai holds the racquet bit high too (I can't
confirm it since it's hard to judge from watch TV).
Anyways, this is beyond the original topic.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Konta's forehand is not clean. She often got overpowered by hard hitters.
: Also her groundstrokes takes too long time to prepare, which makes her
: return of service very weak. She often has to slice back.
: Overall in the aspects I mentioned above, Zhang Shuai hits cleaner.
: Of course Konta has way better defense than Zhang due to footwork and
: explosive strength.
:
: right.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 40 Regardless of the reasons, I insist on my observation that Konda's return
of service is her weakest link and is worse than Zhang's.
For a player with good footwork, return of service being weak is not
acceptable. She needs to improve.
Her footwork and fitness was the main reason I claimed she is the next big
thing when ranking #96. But due to the return of service, I can only
put her realtime ranking at #15 or so.
ball,
her
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: long time to prepare? Her preparation is much more compact. She has an ATP
: forehand which is elbow away from the body, hence it look as it's taking a
: bigger loop, in reality its a lot more compact than what you observed.
: As for the return, because he stroke is clean, she doesn't slap at the ball,
: she flick and brush the ball (racquet face more parallel to the ground),
: thus the margin for a clean contact is smaller, it has more to do with her
: timing than stroke itself.
: Zhuang Shuai too has somewhat an ATP fh take back, but her racquet face
: venture into the WTA realm at times (pass the body plane); so in reality her
: strokes is longer and takes more time. Her racquet face is more
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 41 I agree that Konta's forehand takes less time to prepare. But I think she is
using a compact version of WTA forehand. It looks like she lays back wrist
really early during takeback, this is the most characteristic of WTA
forehand. Her follow through is windshield wiper, which is modern follow
through. With racquet face closed, she can generate more topspin, thus her
Forehand has better control than Zhang Shuai.
Interestingly Konta's 2hbh is very similar as her forehand, as she lays back
her wrist very early during 2hbh backswing.
As I mentioned previously, lays back wrist early (at the same time drop
racquet head early), take less time to prepare, then it's more suitable to
handle fast paced balls.
ball,
her
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: long time to prepare? Her preparation is much more compact. She has an ATP
: forehand which is elbow away from the body, hence it look as it's taking a
: bigger loop, in reality its a lot more compact than what you observed.
: As for the return, because he stroke is clean, she doesn't slap at the ball,
: she flick and brush the ball (racquet face more parallel to the ground),
: thus the margin for a clean contact is smaller, it has more to do with her
: timing than stroke itself.
: Zhuang Shuai too has somewhat an ATP fh take back, but her racquet face
: venture into the WTA realm at times (pass the body plane); so in reality her
: strokes is longer and takes more time. Her racquet face is more
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 42 Konta's BH has worse form than forehand but is way better IMO. Her BH is
definately top 10.
is
wrist
back
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: I agree that Konta's forehand takes less time to prepare. But I think she is
: using a compact version of WTA forehand. It looks like she lays back wrist
: really early during takeback, this is the most characteristic of WTA
: forehand. Her follow through is windshield wiper, which is modern follow
: through. With racquet face closed, she can generate more topspin, thus her
: Forehand has better control than Zhang Shuai.
: Interestingly Konta's 2hbh is very similar as her forehand, as she lays back
: her wrist very early during 2hbh backswing.
: As I mentioned previously, lays back wrist early (at the same time drop
: racquet head early), take less time to prepare, then it's more suitable to
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 43 One proof: Konta is a horrible doubles player. Her strength in doubles
might be below #200.
Everybody knows doubles is all about overhead and service return, :)
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Regardless of the reasons, I insist on my observation that Konda's return
: of service is her weakest link and is worse than Zhang's.
: For a player with good footwork, return of service being weak is not
: acceptable. She needs to improve.
: Her footwork and fitness was the main reason I claimed she is the next big
: thing when ranking #96. But due to the return of service, I can only
: put her realtime ranking at #15 or so.
:
: ball,
: her
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 44 sure there are always area to improve for anyone. Konta's game is not first
strike tennis, just because she doesn't slap the crap out of the return does
not mean her return game is the weakest link. She has beaten plenty players
with good serves, Venus, Makarova,Muguruza, Petkovic just to name a few.
From just what I saw from last night's match. It seems she's not that
comfortable if player is at the net, she felt rushed.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Regardless of the reasons, I insist on my observation that Konda's return
: of service is her weakest link and is worse than Zhang's.
: For a player with good footwork, return of service being weak is not
: acceptable. She needs to improve.
: Her footwork and fitness was the main reason I claimed she is the next big
: thing when ranking #96. But due to the return of service, I can only
: put her realtime ranking at #15 or so.
:
: ball,
: her
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 45 she's not comfortable with player at the net, it's more of a mental thing i
think.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: One proof: Konta is a horrible doubles player. Her strength in doubles
: might be below #200.
: Everybody knows doubles is all about overhead and service return, :)
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 46 her racquet face is closed during the flow through. It's hard to judge
during a match since player may have to make many compensation. Here is one
of her practice clip (再次给朋友打广告lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daHoeZiwIsE
as you can see, she finishes with her elbow lower than the left shoulder. If
she did not, she'll have to lift up for the topspin, and that's a typical
WTA finish.
is
wrist
back
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: I agree that Konta's forehand takes less time to prepare. But I think she is
: using a compact version of WTA forehand. It looks like she lays back wrist
: really early during takeback, this is the most characteristic of WTA
: forehand. Her follow through is windshield wiper, which is modern follow
: through. With racquet face closed, she can generate more topspin, thus her
: Forehand has better control than Zhang Shuai.
: Interestingly Konta's 2hbh is very similar as her forehand, as she lays back
: her wrist very early during 2hbh backswing.
: As I mentioned previously, lays back wrist early (at the same time drop
: racquet head early), take less time to prepare, then it's more suitable to
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 47 She should have beaten Makarova on avg of 6-3 if she has good return,
if you watched that match.
Overall she is much more comfortable playing weak servers, like Halap, :)
first
does
players
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: sure there are always area to improve for anyone. Konta's game is not first
: strike tennis, just because she doesn't slap the crap out of the return does
: not mean her return game is the weakest link. She has beaten plenty players
: with good serves, Venus, Makarova,Muguruza, Petkovic just to name a few.
: From just what I saw from last night's match. It seems she's not that
: comfortable if player is at the net, she felt rushed.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 48 .... ok, i think i'm just gonna end the technical discuss here... we are not
on the same page. :)
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Konta's BH has worse form than forehand but is way better IMO. Her BH is
: definately top 10.
:
: is
: wrist
: back
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 49 Not as easy as that. She teamed with Watson and lost to another British
duo (#80 or so) easily. In that match, Watson was the big leg, :)
i
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: she's not comfortable with player at the net, it's more of a mental thing i
: think.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 50 it's always easier to play someone who's has a weaker serve. Konta likes
rhythm, she likes work and build up the point. Halep is like that too, so
Zhuang Shuai, Azarinka etc. Makarova hits with more imposing power and angle
, which could get Konta out of rhythm.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: She should have beaten Makarova on avg of 6-3 if she has good return,
: if you watched that match.
: Overall she is much more comfortable playing weak servers, like Halap, :)
:
: first
: does
: players
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 51 Most importantly though, Makarova hits a big lefty serve.
But even on weak 2nd serves, Konta still can't time it well. It was painful
to watch.
angle
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: it's always easier to play someone who's has a weaker serve. Konta likes
: rhythm, she likes work and build up the point. Halep is like that too, so
: Zhuang Shuai, Azarinka etc. Makarova hits with more imposing power and angle
: , which could get Konta out of rhythm.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 52 yea, those lefty with good serves are tough. Don't let the speed trick you,
their spins are nasty...
painful
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Most importantly though, Makarova hits a big lefty serve.
: But even on weak 2nd serves, Konta still can't time it well. It was painful
: to watch.
:
: angle
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 53 Yeah, she is using modern (ATP) finish/follow through with WTA takeback/
foreward swing.That's I'm using right now. From the video where the coach
talked about difference between WTA & ATP forehand, it's still belong to WTA
forehand category (due to her backswing & forward swing before contact), so
is my forehand.
Also this video is pretty old, probably before she modified/improved both
forehand and backhand takeback. Now her forehand and 2hbh takeback is more
compact, which I like.
one
If
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: her racquet face is closed during the flow through. It's hard to judge
: during a match since player may have to make many compensation. Here is one
: of her practice clip (再次给朋友打广告lol)
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daHoeZiwIsE
: as you can see, she finishes with her elbow lower than the left shoulder. If
: she did not, she'll have to lift up for the topspin, and that's a typical
: WTA finish.
:
: is
: wrist
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 54 how? We need to revisit the ATP FH again.
ATP FH take back
-elbow away from body --> check
-racquet face does not pass the body plane --> check
before the slot
-drop straight into the hitting slot --> check
in the slot
-racquet face parallel to the ground (this could depend on the shot)-->
check (i think this is your wrist layback? was never 100% clear on your
wrist layback part)
contact and finish
-flick/brush through on the contact --> check
-racquet face closed as the windshield wiper is already done --> check
-racquet wrap around the body, elbow not over the shoulder --> check
WTA
so
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, she is using modern (ATP) finish/follow through with WTA takeback/
: foreward swing.That's I'm using right now. From the video where the coach
: talked about difference between WTA & ATP forehand, it's still belong to WTA
: forehand category (due to her backswing & forward swing before contact), so
: is my forehand.
: Also this video is pretty old, probably before she modified/improved both
: forehand and backhand takeback. Now her forehand and 2hbh takeback is more
: compact, which I like.
:
: one
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0uCQBiH2Ko
ATP FH take back - (9:55-10:27) backswing phase the head of racquet stay
outside of the hand for the ENTIRE BackSwing stroke phase (That delays ATP
FH's 甩鞭 at the
last moment). That's why ATP Forehand creating much more racquet head speed
. (12:06) Hold hold hold at the last second get into the slot.
WTA FH take back - backswing phase the head of racquet is going to beyond
the hand (wrist lay back) right way. (12:17) racquet gets into the slot
very very early.
So even Konta's backswing is compact, I think she is still WTA forehand, as
she get into the slot very early. The most important feature of ATP forehand
is getting into the slot at the last moment to generate huge racquet speed,
which Konta is definitely not doing that.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: how? We need to revisit the ATP FH again.
: ATP FH take back
: -elbow away from body --> check
: -racquet face does not pass the body plane --> check
: before the slot
: -drop straight into the hitting slot --> check
: in the slot
: -racquet face parallel to the ground (this could depend on the shot)-->
: check (i think this is your wrist layback? was never 100% clear on your
: wrist layback part)
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 56 i see what you are saying. However, I don't think that's the key difference
between the ATP and WTA FH. The key difference is really at contact maybe
you can count the finish and swing path. Everything you do before that is
make your contact easier or cleaner.
When your racquet passed the body plane, your swing path will have a bit of
arc, WTA FH. ATP FH is more compact and direct. This a bit of arc will make
the contact more easy for drive through(slap), but lose some flick topspin.
Racquet head out side the hand is not a must. Many players do this due to
the take back of the elbow up, and from that point if you want to layback
the wrist, you'll have to do that whippy action. The down side of that is it
could cause too much action and too many moving parts, may cause the swing
not clean when timing is off (Jack Sock). Konta has her wrist lay back and
set in the same plane as the swing slot, thus all she has to do is just drop
straight into the slot, which is very clean. Key is use that layback wrist
to flick and brush through the ball at the contact. Konta is able to achieve
that.
You can say Konta's take back is at the edge line between a WTA FH and ATP
FH, but she's able to main the ATP FH since her racquet face never pass the
body plane. Zhang Shuai on the other hand is somewhat similar, but sometimes
it remain on right side of body line, but other times it venture to the
left side of body line. Thus in that term, I find Konta's FH cleaner. At
this level of playing, there is no need to make these kind of small
technical adjustment, however, if she's in her early teens, then definitely
I would point it out.
speed
as
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0uCQBiH2Ko
: ATP FH take back - (9:55-10:27) backswing phase the head of racquet stay
: outside of the hand for the ENTIRE BackSwing stroke phase (That delays ATP
: FH's 甩鞭 at the
: last moment). That's why ATP Forehand creating much more racquet head speed
: . (12:06) Hold hold hold at the last second get into the slot.
: WTA FH take back - backswing phase the head of racquet is going to beyond
: the hand (wrist lay back) right way. (12:17) racquet gets into the slot
: very very early.
: So even Konta's backswing is compact, I think she is still WTA forehand, as
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 57 oh yea, another thing I find racquet outside the hand is if not done
properly, you may get to a point where when the ball is coming toward you,
your racquet head first have to travel backward then go forward. Kinda like
Nick Krygios. He's very good at the timing of this, but I would not
recommend WSN to do this, cuz if timing is off a bit, it's easy to mishit at
best, worst case is it may be prone to injury... so I would not be
surprised to hear Krygios gets injured down the road.
speed
as
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0uCQBiH2Ko
: ATP FH take back - (9:55-10:27) backswing phase the head of racquet stay
: outside of the hand for the ENTIRE BackSwing stroke phase (That delays ATP
: FH's 甩鞭 at the
: last moment). That's why ATP Forehand creating much more racquet head speed
: . (12:06) Hold hold hold at the last second get into the slot.
: WTA FH take back - backswing phase the head of racquet is going to beyond
: the hand (wrist lay back) right way. (12:17) racquet gets into the slot
: very very early.
: So even Konta's backswing is compact, I think she is still WTA forehand, as
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 58 He will not be injured before Jack Sock.
like
at
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: oh yea, another thing I find racquet outside the hand is if not done
: properly, you may get to a point where when the ball is coming toward you,
: your racquet head first have to travel backward then go forward. Kinda like
: Nick Krygios. He's very good at the timing of this, but I would not
: recommend WSN to do this, cuz if timing is off a bit, it's easy to mishit at
: best, worst case is it may be prone to injury... so I would not be
: surprised to hear Krygios gets injured down the road.
:
: speed
: as
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 59 Whether racquet head passing plane or not should not be a main factor. WTA
forehand can be compact too. If you watch the following video 33 seconds,
Ivanovic's WTA forehand in this occasion doesn't pass the body plane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-NSJGVlRA
I agree Konta's follow through is modern forehand follow through, that's for
topspin. However, IMO, the most important feature of ATP forehand is to
generate amazing racquet head speed/RPM. Delayed wrist snap is the only way
to generate this kind of RPM at ATP level. If one cannot do that, can't
generate crazy RPM, it's not ATP forehand. It may look like ATP forehand,
but doesn't have the essential of ATP forehand. A lot of WSN want to mimic
ATP forehand, and claim to use ATP forehand, but in my opinion, it's not ATP
forehand. ATP forehand is not easy to learn. :)
difference
of
make
.
it
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: i see what you are saying. However, I don't think that's the key difference
: between the ATP and WTA FH. The key difference is really at contact maybe
: you can count the finish and swing path. Everything you do before that is
: make your contact easier or cleaner.
: When your racquet passed the body plane, your swing path will have a bit of
: arc, WTA FH. ATP FH is more compact and direct. This a bit of arc will make
: the contact more easy for drive through(slap), but lose some flick topspin.
: Racquet head out side the hand is not a must. Many players do this due to
: the take back of the elbow up, and from that point if you want to layback
: the wrist, you'll have to do that whippy action. The down side of that is it
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 60 "Whether racquet head passing plane or not should not be a main factor."
You are right, I did the point out the key point is at the contact. At the
contact it's about the flick/brush through the ball with fast racquet head
speed. However, try to set the racquet pass your body plane and swing
directly toward the ball, and flick it, it is very very difficult. Thus I
use it as a key point to check for ATP/WTA FH.
I agree one of the racquet head speed at the contact is a key point. But I
disagree with this "delay" wrist layback is a must as a measurement of ATP
FH. The delay you describe is just a delay of wrist layback into the slot,
during the slot the racquet head trails, racqut butt cap travel towards ball
, so such delay will not affect much at the actual contact if at all. What
will affect is your racquet speed, if your racquet face, parallel to ground
you will have a more flick, more RPM, where if the racquet fact is
perpendicular to the ground you'll have more of drive less RPM, that's a key
difference between Konta and Zhang Shuai's FH.
I guess the key point for ATP FH is racquet outside the body plane at the
prep, direct swing path toward the ball, flick to generate racquet head
speed, finishing the windshield wiper before the finish. There will be
variation here and there, but if WSN can achieve these points, I would call
it an ATP FH.
for
way
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Whether racquet head passing plane or not should not be a main factor. WTA
: forehand can be compact too. If you watch the following video 33 seconds,
: Ivanovic's WTA forehand in this occasion doesn't pass the body plane.
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-NSJGVlRA
: I agree Konta's follow through is modern forehand follow through, that's for
: topspin. However, IMO, the most important feature of ATP forehand is to
: generate amazing racquet head speed/RPM. Delayed wrist snap is the only way
: to generate this kind of RPM at ATP level. If one cannot do that, can't
: generate crazy RPM, it's not ATP forehand. It may look like ATP forehand,
: but doesn't have the essential of ATP forehand. A lot of WSN want to mimic
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 61 just saw the Ivanoic FH.... that's camera angle and her court position is
misleading... it's clear that her racquet head broke the body plane. Konta's
FH never broke to that plane, it always stayed with the plan. Where you
think is a must for ATP FH is racquet head do not reach that plane, but it
will have to get to that plane during slot phase. I would still say Konta's
is most clean in that term, because it's compact and no unnecessary movement
. Extra movements cost time.
for
way
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Whether racquet head passing plane or not should not be a main factor. WTA
: forehand can be compact too. If you watch the following video 33 seconds,
: Ivanovic's WTA forehand in this occasion doesn't pass the body plane.
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-NSJGVlRA
: I agree Konta's follow through is modern forehand follow through, that's for
: topspin. However, IMO, the most important feature of ATP forehand is to
: generate amazing racquet head speed/RPM. Delayed wrist snap is the only way
: to generate this kind of RPM at ATP level. If one cannot do that, can't
: generate crazy RPM, it's not ATP forehand. It may look like ATP forehand,
: but doesn't have the essential of ATP forehand. A lot of WSN want to mimic
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 62 In that case, I'm also using ATP forehand.
It's because xbd thinks a better way is racquet tip pointing forward (
backswing like murray does), delaying wrist layback until the last moment (
delaying getting into the slot). Then somebody pointed out it's the main
difference between WTA and ATP forehand. I think for WSN, getting into the
slot early (layback wrist early) is a shortcut to learn an above-average
forehand
.
's
s
movement
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: just saw the Ivanoic FH.... that's camera angle and her court position is
: misleading... it's clear that her racquet head broke the body plane. Konta's
: FH never broke to that plane, it always stayed with the plan. Where you
: think is a must for ATP FH is racquet head do not reach that plane, but it
: will have to get to that plane during slot phase. I would still say Konta's
: is most clean in that term, because it's compact and no unnecessary movement
: . Extra movements cost time.
:
: for
: way
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 63 Is this an ATP forehand?
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: In that case, I'm also using ATP forehand.
: It's because xbd thinks a better way is racquet tip pointing forward (
: backswing like murray does), delaying wrist layback until the last moment (
: delaying getting into the slot). Then somebody pointed out it's the main
: difference between WTA and ATP forehand. I think for WSN, getting into the
: slot early (layback wrist early) is a shortcut to learn an above-average
: forehand
: .
:
: 's
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 64 Interesting.
From my definition of ATP forehand, it's not ATP forehand
From 黑导's definition, it might be.
She is laying back wrist during early stage of takeback (without even
raising the racquet head).
This could be a very consistent forehand. But not much topspin as real ATP
forehand.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Is this an ATP forehand?
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 65 Is the coach in red shirt ATP forehand or WTA forehand?
People on TW mentioned he's WTA forehand though.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Is this an ATP forehand?
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 66 He is typical WTA forehand.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Is the coach in red shirt ATP forehand or WTA forehand?
: People on TW mentioned he's WTA forehand though.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 67 no it's not an ATP forehand, as I mentioned already, the key is at the
contact. even though Date's racquet didn't pass her body plane, her swing
path is still somewhat of an arc, she kept it out to shorten her swing for
counter punch. This allow her for easier clean contact, an advantage of WTA
FH
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Is this an ATP forehand?
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 68 " From 黑导's definition, it might be."
老肯就喜欢瞎胶合，迷乱WSN... 你可别学他啊。。。
ATP
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Interesting.
: From my definition of ATP forehand, it's not ATP forehand
: From 黑导's definition, it might be.
: She is laying back wrist during early stage of takeback (without even
: raising the racquet head).
: This could be a very consistent forehand. But not much topspin as real ATP
: forehand.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 69 "delaying wrist layback until the last moment (delaying getting into the
slot). Then somebody pointed out it's the main difference between WTA and
ATP forehand."
I don't buy that delaying stuff. And you don't need to have a strict ATP
forehand to have a good forehand. People always say Murray's FH has
technical flaws, I would not recommend you to copy his. To me, Nole's FH is
a text booked modern FH, and he does not have that racquet tip point forward
stuff. You can master the timing of it, it's fine.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: In that case, I'm also using ATP forehand.
: It's because xbd thinks a better way is racquet tip pointing forward (
: backswing like murray does), delaying wrist layback until the last moment (
: delaying getting into the slot). Then somebody pointed out it's the main
: difference between WTA and ATP forehand. I think for WSN, getting into the
: slot early (layback wrist early) is a shortcut to learn an above-average
: forehand
: .
:
: 's
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 70 this is an ATP forehand by my definition.
Not sure how bee look at this, since this Alex did not have a delay layback
of wrist....
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: He is typical WTA forehand.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 71 in this particular clip, there is more WTA forehand element in his strokes
because he didn't have the acceleration on flicking through the ball.
However, in this drill he is suppose to be a wall and just "feed" ball back
to Roger. So he may just be "feeding" the ball back, or maybe Roger's balls
are too fast, that he couldn't catch early enough to do the flick, thus he
has to reserve to pull up to maintain control and consistency.... maybe a
bit of both.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Is the coach in red shirt ATP forehand or WTA forehand?
: People on TW mentioned he's WTA forehand though.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 72 ... saw your shadow swing again... I wouldn't exactly call that an ATP FH.
From the shadow swing, it's more of a slap forehand. Your take back is fine,
but maybe because you purposely try to delay the wrist layback you don't
have much forward swing motion. This is evident of your right elbow really
didn't go forward through, it stayed close to your torso and went across,
along it dragged the arm and racquet, because of this arc-like motion, and
the racquet face is facing outward, it's more like a slap. You can really
slap the crap out of the ball if you can extend your elbow further out. Not
exact what I would call an text book ATP forehand, but you can still have
good success in recreational level.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: In that case, I'm also using ATP forehand.
: It's because xbd thinks a better way is racquet tip pointing forward (
: backswing like murray does), delaying wrist layback until the last moment (
: delaying getting into the slot). Then somebody pointed out it's the main
: difference between WTA and ATP forehand. I think for WSN, getting into the
: slot early (layback wrist early) is a shortcut to learn an above-average
: forehand
: .
:
: 's
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